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The GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is Nvidia's 'New Gaming Flagship' (pcworld.com) 60

Posted by msmash from the state-of-the-art dept.
Nvidia officially announced the long-awaited GeForce RTX 3080 Ti during its Computex keynote late Monday night, and this $1,200 graphics card looks like an utter beast. The $600 GeForce RTX 3070 Ti also made its debut with faster GDDR6X memory. From a report: All eyes are on the RTX 3080 Ti, though. Nvidia dubbed it GeForce's "new gaming flagship" as the $1,500 RTX 3090 is built for work and play alike, but the new GPU is a 3090 in all but name (and memory capacity). While Nvidia didn't go into deep technical details during the keynote, the GeForce RTX 3080 Ti's specifications page shows it packing a whopping 10,240 CUDA cores -- just a couple hundred less than the 3090's 10,496 count, but massively more than the 8,704 found in the vanilla 3080.

Expect this card to chew through games on par with the best, especially in games that support real-time ray tracing and Nvidia's amazing DLSS feature. The memory system can handle the ride, as it's built using the RTX 3090's upgraded bones. The GeForce RTX 3080 Ti comes with a comfortable 12GB of blazing-fast GDDR6X memory over a wide 384-bit bus, which is half the ludicrous 24GB capacity found in the 3090, but more than enough to handle any gaming workload you through at it. That's not true with the vanilla RTX 3080, which comes with 10GB of GDDR6X over a smaller bus, as rare titles (like Doom Eternal) can already use more than 10GB of memory when you're playing at 4K resolution with the eye candy cranked to the max. The extra two gigs make the RTX 3080 Ti feel much more future-proof.
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  • amazing (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheMeuge ( 645043 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:50PM (#61443546)

    I am so excited over yet another GPU that will never be in stock anywhere. It will join the ranks of absent CPUs, and soon-to-be absent hard drives. Somehow as China and Iran mine more crypto, the world's consumers will lose any possibility of building their own systems and be required to abandon the idea of building custom PCs, or using custom servers and NAS for self-hosting and will need to turn to their cloud hyperscaler betters for their compute and data storage needs.

    • "and this $1,200 graphics card" is the part I noticed and choked on! Be lucky to find one at twice that price. Sorry but gonna stick with my super clocked 980Ti for now.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

        Might want to clock that down to make sure it lives another year.

        I'm on my 970, and I actually started using frame limiters at 60fps in GPU intensive games to make sure it lives longer.

    • Hopefully this marketing pushes people away from 3090s for those of us that actually need a 3090.

    • yea like "here i go again", did i mention "i ordered and paid for a rtx 3080 , seven , o wait, 8 months ago .. maybe once or twice ? i thought there were laws about inflating stock and company value without substance , goods or service provided

  • "ludicrous 24GB capacity" (Score:3)

    by Ecuador ( 740021 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @12:53PM (#61443556) Homepage

    Who wrote this thing, I normally only see "ludicrous" used in reference to Arsenal ("did you catch that ludicrous display last night").
    In any case, 24GB is not "ludicrous" in any way for a $1500 card aimed at media/creative professionals...

    • What were they thinking? They just try to walk it in!
    • Prepare ship for ludicrous speed. Fasten all seat belts, seal all entrances and exits, close all shops in the mall, cancel the 3-ring circus, secure all animals in the zoo....

    • Yep, if anything putting only 12GB of VRAM on a $1200 graphics card is ludicrous when the competition is doing 16GB on a $580 card.

      It would be nice if we could get some more reasonable reporting on these cards, as the likely driver for these SKU splits is silicon yields, as there are many sharing the same 3090 chip but at different levels of completeness. It would be nice if nvidia finally admitted that the 3090 doesn't make sense without the level of support they've included for previous "flagship" offeri

      • I would love to see a nice breakdown of the games that older 4GB video cards cant drive at 60hz 1080P.

        The list of games is quite small I am sure.

        Then video cards could be ranked based on the number of existing titles that they "doesnt do well" with, rather than rankings from the fog

        • Yes, that's likely a very small set. The biggest outlier to this is likely the 1060-3GB which apparently has a lot of problems running the newer COD games. One of my friends unironically upgraded that card to a 580-8GB card and reports that these games run much better now.

          Of course, the average gamer already owns something like a 1060 so they wouldn't be planning to upgrade from one. None of the current generation cards are targeting that spec, but given that the cheapest are ~$400, they damn well should

          • If your targeting a sub-$200 video card then waiting wont help. The issue here is that the latest APU's do just as well when you add $200 additional fast ddr4 to those systems.

            We can agree that APU's destroyed the sub-$100 video card market, yes?
            We only seem to disagree on how deep this destruction goes.

            The common characterization of what makes a "gamer" system is fraught with differences in level of analysis. Many adult males play video games. There is always a contingency of people that will refuse t

    • The same marketing invertebrate that chose to describe upscaling as "amazing" - see Msmash's drool-stained copy/paste in TFS...

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by guruevi ( 827432 )

      This is targeted at gamers. Professionals use the Quadro/Tesla range where 24-48GB of VRAM is nothing special.

  • My laptop has a 1070 and after 3 years it is still overkill, for anything I give it.

    In terms of using it for actual graphics and display. We are playing a game of chasing the 9s where we are doing an exponential improvement in performance, to give us a logarithmic level of actionable results.

     

    • Professionals generally doing video production would possibly see some benefit. Then there are the gamers who want every little edge in performance (to play Fortnite. ;P)

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by JustNiz ( 692889 )

        VR gaming is a scenario that most people overloook, but it consumes a crap load of GPU. I have a 5k VR headset, My 3090 allows me to finally play even the most hardcore VR games with quality settings on max or near without frame drops.

    • My laptop has a 1070 and after 3 years it is still overkill, for anything I give it.

      Ray tracing with global illumination?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      I guess you're not feeding it recent AAA games then. Either that or you're happy with all the quality settings set to min.

  • Personally I was not waiting on this product and I would guess many gamers would rather wait for products they can buy. To me the 3080Ti and 3070Ti are tone deaf products by NVidia. I am not saying AMD is an angel but at least their announcement yesterday was about laptop GPUs which they did not have previously. If they had announced 6950 XT Mega Super I would be react with the same disdain.

  • Good luck finding it for $1,200 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Sydin ( 2598829 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:03PM (#61443598)

    Hell, good luck finding it at all. Even not accounting for the ongoing chip shortage, whatever pitiful stock Nvidia pushes out will be snapped up in a femtosecond by scalpers and miners.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by leonbev ( 111395 )

      Considering that GeForce 3070's are going for $1,200 now, I'd imagine that this model will probably come in around $2,600 on eBay.

      • You can grab an EVGA RTX3090 HydroCopper on Ebay for only $5K USD. Or, maybe put a down payment on a new car instead.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Calydor ( 739835 )

          And just to continue that line of thought, you'll probably think your new car is fit for purpose for a longer period of time than you will the graphics card.

          • I hadn't considered that... maybe the HydroCopper is the smarter purchase. Especially since I'm still driving my '91 Camaro, and it's now worth more than I paid for it (if you ignore the fact that I've probably spent 2X the original cost on repairs and restorations over the years). Still a good deal, though.
      • As crazy as this sounds, I actually feel pretty good being able to snag a 3070 with stock water block for $1,100 off of ebay.
    • nVidia and its partners seem to have accommodated themself to bypassing scalpers and miners by selling directly to system builders like Dell, CyberPowerPC, and the other vendors who compete in that arena. Presumably they don't even have to cut them a volume discount, as they have customers waiting in line for their limited stock. They can just fill a box with cards, send it to to these companies, and get paid full retail. That's not like they're scalping their own cards, but I think it nets them more money

      • nVidia and its partners seem to have accommodated themself to bypassing scalpers and miners by selling directly to system builders like Dell

        Dell makes its own video cards. A Dell 2080 is complete shit compared to what you would expect not knowing this. The gpu cooling will be atrocious, the gpu heatsink will be atrocious, and the gddr will lack any cooling solution at all. It will quickly throttle and you will never get sustained performance that is even a third as much as the silicon itself is capable of.

        Laptops versions of the same gpus are better. In a laptop at least some money was spent on gpu cooling.

        • Yikes, I knew Alienware was doing that so as fit the cards into their newfangled, and elaborately designed, cases. I assumed that Dell just popped in regular cards into their XPS line of PCs, as they have the size to accommodate them, though their case cooling could limit the cards performance a bit. Or maybe nowadays you can't even get a flagship card with a XPS? I remember being excited when I scored an amazing deal on an XPS 420 that came with a Core 2 Q6600, and a nVidia 8800GT. That was before Dell bou

  • What's the point (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Kazymyr ( 190114 ) on Tuesday June 01, 2021 @01:16PM (#61443650) Journal

    It's not like it will be available to buy anywhere.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by leonbev ( 111395 )

      At this point, I'd appreciate it if the tech bloggers just started refusing to review this vaporware. If you can't actually buy them anywhere at retail price, what's the point?

  • This is getting old. seems like 50 different cards have been 'released' in the past 8 months and yet nothing is available unless you buy a full system or laptop. I'm beginning to think they don't want us building our own systems.

    • We'll you could always buy the full system with the card you want, strip the card out and resell the system as "onboard graphics only" Or if all the parts aren't propitiatory, Part it out and possibly make more money from the parts that way.
    • This was happening with CPU's first, coincidentally only the ones with built-in GPUs.... (not counting Intel, who has their own problems)

      I think the larger narrative, that crypto miners have soaked up the supply, is unsubstantiated bullshit. When nVidia "screwed up" and "allowed" miners to bypass "limitations" built into the driver, it looked more like a well-targeted publicity stunt to me. Every gaming and tech site had front page nvidia porn for days after that.

      The supply is down because fab time is c
  • Soon to be $4,000.

  • They should just set the MSRP to $3k or so and be done with this bullshit. They are letting middlemen collect extra profits on their own products by not setting the price to reflect the market. I realize they don't want a bunch of absolute morons crying about "Them there's GOUGING muh video card!" (protip: Gouging is not a thing that's real).

    We can't get the cards anyway, so at least make those fuckers pay more for it and line your own pockets instead of a bunch of scummy middlemen.

  • Is nVidia going hold off on introducing a new lineup for notably longer than is their usual habit? And will nVidia make a break with tradition and continue to manufacture most, or all, of the 3xxx line at Samsung's 8nm foundry long after they debut? Because if that's a plan that they're considering, then the 3080 Ti will eventually make sense. There's a chip shortage, and that means that the most cutting edge nodes come with a price premium, unless of course a vendor has a long term contract that has firmly

  • Nope that would be the 3090.
    You can debate whether the 3090 is intended for gamers or not, but it is actually still faster at gaming than the 3080ti.

  • The GeForce RTX 3080 Ti is Nvidia's 'New Mining Flagship'

    FTFY

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by JustNiz ( 692889 )

      Nope these newer cards are purposely crippled for cryptomining algorithmss just so miners won't buy them.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ELCouz ( 1338259 )
        Mod parent up +++

        replied to undo my accidental negative mod point.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by guruevi ( 827432 )

        They still mine at twice the rate of their predecessors. Also, there are now plenty of hacks known to get around those limitations.

      • For now. Let's see how long that lasts. The attempts to cripple miners (and there have been several) have so far all been circumvented, the most recent example circumvented by NVIDIA itself. The current attempt includes hardware measures which is a fancy way of saying: "When miners crack it we have no way of updating it".

  • Not to be a grammar Nazi, but how do you confuse throw with through?

  • Just make up a product name a specifications. Let a few reviewers get one and say how great it is.

    To bad a "normal person" can never have one...

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