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Great Britain's Electricity System Has Greenest Day Ever Over Easter (theguardian.com) 128

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Great Britain's electricity system recorded its greenest ever day over the Easter bank holiday as sunshine and windy weather led to a surge in renewable energy. The power plants generating electricity in England, Scotland and Wales produced only 39g of carbon dioxide for every kilowatt-hour of electricity on Monday, according to National Grid's electricity system operator, the lowest carbon intensity recorded since National Grid records began in 1935.

On Easter Monday, wind turbines and solar farms generated 60% of all electricity as households enjoyed a bank holiday lunch. At the same time the UK's nuclear reactors provided 16% of the electricity mix, meaning almost 80% of the grid was powered from low-carbon sources. The low-carbon power surge, combined with lower than average demand for electricity over the bank holiday, kept gas-fired power in Great Britain to 10% of the electricity mix and caused the "carbon intensity" of the electricity system to plummet to its lowest on record.

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Great Britain's Electricity System Has Greenest Day Ever Over Easter

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  • Well done! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:10PM (#61245552) Homepage

    Well done, chaps! This calls for tea and medals all around.

    • Re:Well done! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by boudie2 ( 1134233 ) on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:50PM (#61245608)
      Everyone being broke is a good way to save power as well. "The UK GDP fell 7.3 percent year-on-year in the last three months of 2020, less than preliminary estimates of a 7.8 percent fall. Business investment fell much less than initially estimated (-7.4 percent vs -10.3 percent) and the drop for both exports (-18.9 percent vs -23.5 percent in the preliminary estimate) and imports (-4.7 percent vs -8.9 percent) was revised lower. On the other hand, household spending fell 9.2 percent, the same as in the preliminary estimate. The contraction for 2020 was also revised to 9.8%, from the first estimate of a 9.9% decline. source: Office for National Statistics"
      • Everybody's broke, or nobody had anywhere to spend their money because of lockdown restrictions?

      • maybe that can be classed as a a brexit benefit - the only one so far
        • Nothing to do with Brexit, everything to do with the country being closed because of Covid.
          • Brexit needs all the help it can get to find a benefit
            • The benefit is that because all the lorries end up being parked for days at the border the petrol use has plummeted.

          • tip... read the newspapers that actually tell you the real story since 01 Jan 2021 about just how many industries have been trashed or damaged. Express/Mail are too scared to tell the truth.
      • Re:Well done! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @02:55AM (#61245894) Homepage Journal

        The UK has the worst economic hit in the G7 from COVID. Our economy is badly damaged, with brexit also causing long term irreversible decline.

        It will be interesting, in a somewhat morbid sense, to see how energy consumption is affected by a former major economy sliding into irrelevance and stagnation.

        • Irreversible? That's horse shit.
          • Re:Well done! (Score:5, Insightful)

            by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:01AM (#61246048) Homepage Journal

            Even if we re-joined say the EEA tomorrow much of the damage is done. Businesses have moved away and won't come back. New trade routes bypassing the UK are up and running. A lot of the skilled workers we need have left and won't return.

            The hit we have taken can't be simply undone, it's with us forever now. Even when the economy finally starts to grow again it will be from a lower starting point, so to reverse the damage it would have to experience an equal benefit from brexit and that seems extremely unlikely to happen. The opportunities simply aren't there, given that we need to replace the premium access we had to the EU and the only other blocs of comparable size are the US and China, neither of which would give us such a deal and even if they did it wouldn't benefit us like the EU one did.

            • by nagora ( 177841 )

              Luckily, some people believe that not being part of a corrupt anti-democartic oligarchy is worth more than cash in hand.

              Regardless of whether your doomsday talk is true or not, we're better off morally by turning our back on the organisation that fucked over Greece in order to protect the interests of a handful of private companies.

              • by Sique ( 173459 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @07:10AM (#61246304) Homepage

                Luckily, some people believe that not being part of a corrupt anti-democartic oligarchy is worth more than cash in hand.

                As far as I know, Brexit was not about getting rid of the ruling class in the UK.

      • Eastern is a holiday.
        Businesses/factories are closed. So being broke or not has not much to do with energy consumption.

        However BREXiT + COVID was hitting UK hard, I pity them.

        • by Malc ( 1751 )

          Save your pity for people who really need it. I haven't really noticed the effects of Brexit and Covid hasn't impacted my life as much as say it has for my German colleagues in NRW. Anyway, energy consumption over the easter weekend doesn't seem to be lower than a year ago, or much different to normal usage outside of Oct-Mar: https://gridwatch.templar.co.u... [templar.co.uk]

          • Obviously energy consumption is not lower than other Easters.
            But our parent claimed the economy would be worth. I pointed out: economy is irrelevant for a holiday.

            No idea about your NRW point, what has NRW to do with brexit?

            • by Malc ( 1751 )

              It's got nothing to do with Brexit, and I didn't say it did. Try imagining a comma after Brexit when you're reading what I wrote if that helps you.

        • UK GDP fell about the same amount as France's has. France's economy is comparable to the UK in size as is the population and we're often trading places in the world economy rankings it's that close.
    • by MrL0G1C ( 867445 )

      Medals? I'll have a biscuit with my tea instead thanks.

  • Chart (Score:5, Informative)

    by Ronin441 ( 89631 ) on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:48PM (#61245604) Homepage
    Here's a chart showing the UK's coal use. It's 9 months out of date, but it's super pretty: https://www.reddit.com/r/datai... [reddit.com]
    • Here's a chart showing the UK's coal use. It's 9 months out of date, but it's super pretty: https://www.reddit.com/r/datai... [reddit.com]

      And here's the original of that figure [theguardian.com], It's made by Niko Kommenda [twitter.com] who does graphical work for the Guardian. It's live so shows all the up-to-date developments.

  • by Rumagent ( 86695 ) on Tuesday April 06, 2021 @11:52PM (#61245614)

    As with every other event, I'm sure that Boris will attribute this to brexit.

    • Stop with these sarky snide remarks already. He hasn't done that as far as I can tell, and it's unlikely he'll ever do that, and all you're doing is inuring people to the stuff the government actually does that we should care about.

      With people saying gloves should be counted in pairs [dailymail.co.uk] (they never are for surgical gloves), claiming Test and Trace cost £37 billion [thesun.co.uk] (it is a fraction), and prominent academics outright ad-hominem attacking people [twitter.com] writing a government report they're unlikely to have read,

      • by shilly ( 142940 )

        It is beyond parody that you use the terms "unlikely to have read" and "axe to grind" in relation to the Sewell report, given that this report was written by people who have consistently misquoted and misappropriated other people's work in support of a tendentious set of pre-determined conclusions. See, for example, what Marmot has to say.

        • It is beyond parody that you use the terms "unlikely to have read" and "axe to grind" in relation to the Sewell report, given that this report was written by people who have consistently misquoted and misappropriated other people's work in support of a tendentious set of pre-determined conclusions. See, for example, what Marmot has to say.

          You are criticising the authors of the report rather than the report, which is exactly my point.

          • by shilly ( 142940 )

            No, I'm criticising both. The report fails to reflect the 2020 Marmot review, for example, but does quote from the 2010 review. As Marmot himself says: "Unfortunately, the authors of the report quote my views from the 2010 Marmot Review produced by the UCL Institute of Health Equity (IHE) – but they do not mention the explicit reference to race/inequality in two reports from our institute last year, Health Equity in England: The Marmot Review 10 Years On and Build Back Fairer: The Covid-19 Marmot Revi

            • Criticizing both the report and its authors at the same time is fine by me. I was too quick to dismiss yout last sentence, so apologies.

              I have never made any judgement call on the report either way here, and my main point stands: I linked to someone who questioned the credentials of one of the authors, and then made references to Nazis when she found out she was wrong. This was not some nobody on Twitter, this was an academic at a prestigious university.

              • by shilly ( 142940 )

                Thank you for the apology -- doesn't happen often enough on here.

                My main disagreement still stands too: her sin is much less egregious than those of the authors, who have written a very influential report that is wrong in many ways. Given that it is consistently wrong in the direction of downplaying evidence of structural racism and never the opposite, and given the authors' long histories of denying such, and given the government's own predilections, and given that this is deeply political terrain, I think

                • provoking a foul argument that plays well with the demographics the Tories are especially interested in cultivating

                  This is the heart of what I'm trying to say and what I want to stop! When detractors immediately reach for the "you're a Nazi" toolbox, do they genuinely think they'll convince Tory voters to switch to alternatives? In my opinion, it'll only convince more people that it's a witch-hunt and it'll be another shoe-in for the Tories at the next election.

                  I think we're on the same side here.

                  • by shilly ( 142940 )

                    I get what you mean but that's not the foul argument I was referring to. The foul argument is about whether structural racism is real or not. Instead of what to do about it. Tory strategists want to provoke an argument about the legitimacy of calling racism out. That's what's foul.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      He certainly won't attribute it to the 3, or is it 4 lockdowns and 150,000 people dying that happened on his watch.

      That's over 60% higher than even Trump managed, per head of population.

      • The UK per capita death rate from covid is lower than sixteen US states at this point.
  • Compared to what? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kenh ( 9056 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @12:40AM (#61245694) Homepage Journal

    The power plants generating electricity in England, Scotland and Wales produced only 39g of carbon dioxide for every kilowatt-hour of electricity on Monday, according to National Grid's electricity system operator, the lowest carbon intensity recorded since National Grid records began in 1935.

    I mean it sounds good, but compared to what? What's a normal amount of carbon dioxide for each kilowatt-hour of electricity generated?

    If you burned coal exclusively, you'd generate 0.94 Kilograms (2.07 pounds) of carbon dioxide per kilowatt-hour. Source [slightlyun...tional.com]

    So compared to a kilowatt-hour generated by coal, that's really good, but does anyone burn coal exclusively to generate electricity?

  • Once they were the Dirty Man of Europe so this is a great achievement.
  • by Ginger_Chris ( 1068390 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @05:24AM (#61246080)

    https://www.mygridgb.co.uk/das... [mygridgb.co.uk]

    Real-time and historical power usage for the UK.

    Tracks type and carbon emissions and has data from at least the last 8 years.

    (its a great resource as a teacher - it was set up by one of my friends from school)
     

  • On Easter Monday, wind turbines and solar farms generated 60% of all electricity as households enjoyed a bank holiday lunch. At the same time the UK's nuclear reactors provided 16% of the electricity mix, meaning almost 80% of the grid was powered from low-carbon sources.

    Big fucking deal. France does that every single day.

    Currently [sic] 60% Nuke, 10% hydro, 11% solar, 8% wind.

    Fossil is providing about 7.5%

    • by shilly ( 142940 )

      The UK's story is about decarbonisation without building out nuclear. France's story is about dodging a carbon bullet thanks to having built out nuclear many years back. Both are important stories, as is Norway, which is different again. There are many interesting stories about low carbon power gen in Europe.

  • by MacMann ( 7518492 ) on Wednesday April 07, 2021 @06:46AM (#61246242)

    Here's an article by Dr. Ripu Malhotra, with some very interesting data from government sources telling us that the UK would have had lower CO2 emissions if they had placed greater emphasis on nuclear power.
    https://cmo-ripu.blogspot.com/... [blogspot.com]

    I know someone is going to come back with "but nuclear power costs too much, so take that!" Okay then, how much is too much to spend on lowering CO2? Come up with a number. Please. Because I want to know just how much value you place on lowering CO2 to avoid global warming. I suspect that if this math was done then solar power would lose out to natural gas. The level of materials needed for solar power to create the same energy and power as nuclear fission is at least two orders of magnitude. I'll see people claim that this can be improved with new technologies. You know what can also be improved with new technologies? The cost in time and materials for nuclear power.

    Solar power is shit for electricity to the grid. It is a waste of time and materials. More people die from solar power on a per MWh basis than nuclear fission. That's on a global scale when taking into account the disasters outside of the UK. Nuclear power in the UK, USA, Canada, France, Germany, and so many other nations outside of the old Soviet nations is just incredible. By incredible I mean people are incredulous, cannot grasp in their minds, just how safe nuclear fission power has been. We know how to build it safer now, at lower costs, and with less materials.

    The costs overruns we see now in nuclear power has come from NIMBYs and BANANAs. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] ) The costs come from inexperience. These were the same kinds of costs overruns that came from early wind and solar power projects. Costs that solar power still has not brought to be competitive with coal, nuclear, natural gas, wind, hydro, and so much else we have to choose from. Solar power is shit for power on the grid and we'd be better served to put those resources into energy sources that are lower cost and lower in CO2 emissions.

    With hydro, onshore wind, geothermal, and nuclear fission we can get CO2 emissions lower than this record set by Great Britain, and do it EVERY DAY.

    Solar power is dragging down the average and holding us back from doing better. It costs too much, it takes too much time/materials/resources, it's actually not all that safe (people falling off roofs, electrocutions, and other industrial accidents), not that great in CO2 emissions, and very unreliable. As a source of electricity on the grid this makes a very very bad idea.

    If someone wants to put solar panels on their roof then I'm not going to stop them. I think it's idiotic, a potential environmental disaster, a matter more of conspicuous consumption than anything practical. I just don't want my taxes subsidizing this. This is a waste of tax money because we have better options on lowering CO2 emissions, lowering energy costs, lowering human suffering, and generally making a better world for ourselves.

    Great Britain can do better than this. They should consider this new record a ceiling for CO2 emissions in the future. A ceiling that they can stay under with a combination of hydro, onshore wind, geothermal, and most importantly nuclear fission. Without nuclear fission they will not ever see another day of CO2 emissions this low.

    • Without nuclear fission they will not ever see another day of CO2 emissions this low.

      Want to put a wager on that?

    • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

      Solar power is...very unreliable.

      So is electrical demand. It goes up and down throughout the day, forcing electrical utilities to forecast demand and bring up more and more expensive sources of power throughout the day as demand rises, then power down those generators later in the day as demand falls. Since we can easily forecast solar output, it's no problem to bring it onto the grid, at least until peak output reaches well over 50% of the total energy mix.

      • Indeed, solar power output can be predicted but that doesn't make it reliable. That is unless you consider something that can be relied upon to fail as reliable.

        Solar power is far from "no problem" on the grid. Having studied electrical engineering at university and listening to people in the energy industry I know that solar power on the grid is a problem long before it reaches 50% of the total electric generating capacity. The industry treats rooftop solar like a "negative load". It shows on their cal

        • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

          This "negative load" messes with their systems because government rules

          Ok, so government rules are the problem, not rooftop solar.

          We can put a lot of solar power on the grid but that costs money to manage, much of it from having to burn more fuel in idling and restarting fossil fuel power plants.

          You're not listening. I already explained how they have to do that with or without solar. Pay attention!

          If solar power is so inexpensive then get rid of the subsidies.

          Agreed, and let's do the same for coal, and c [bloomberg.com]

          • You're not listening. I already explained how they have to do that with or without solar. Pay attention!

            I am listening, you are not. We know how to address the problems of matching supply to demand but... BUT... solar power makes these problems worse. Solar power adds to the volatility to the supply and therefore adds to the cost and lowers stability.

            We'd be better off without solar power on the grid than with it. We can get lower CO2 emissions with onshore wind, geothermal, hydro, and nuclear fission than with solar power. These choices are also lower costs and lower in requirements for land and other re

            • by Ichijo ( 607641 )

              If there is too much solar power (again something far closer to 5% than 50%)... Solar power adds to the volatility to the supply

              Are you lying or do you have proof? Because as far as I know, this only became a problem in South Australia where peak solar output peaks at around 100%, so they stabilized the grid with Tesla batteries [slashdot.org].

              So where's your proof that the problem occurs "far closer to 5%"? Let your next post contain that proof, or don't bother replying at all.

    • Do you work for the nuclear industry or something? Since when is the sun "unreliable"? Deaths and electrocutions from solar panel installations? As if nobody has ever been injured due to nuclear accidents or electrocuted at a substation. Go ahead and find me some solar panel death numbers. I'll keep checking back.

      Like I pointed out in a previous post. Only a fool would see the free energy produced by the sun and not choose to take advantage of it.

      • Here's some numbers for you, look at figure 3:
        https://cmo-ripu.blogspot.com/... [blogspot.com]

        If solar power is "free" then so is every other power source. All it takes for this "free" solar power is to dig up a bunch of material from the dirt and build solar collectors. Well we can also dig up material to build things to get energy from uranium too. How is solar power any more "free" than nuclear fission? Both require considerable effort to dig up this material, only nuclear power requires an order of magnitude less

        • by catprog ( 849688 )

          Look up Agrivoltaics

          Also https://www.abc.net.au/news/ru... [abc.net.au]

          Do you feel the same about sugar ethanol vs corn ethanol.

          • I have looked up agrivoltaics. There's nothing to show them as economically viable. People have been experimenting with this for a very long time with no widespread adoption. If it made any economic sense then it would not be in the experimental stages any more. Agrivoltaics takes already expensive solar power and makes it more expensive.

            • by catprog ( 849688 )

              The same could be said about nuclear power.

              • No, it can't. I can point to hundreds of profitable civil nuclear fission reactors providing power to the grid but the number of agrivoltaic projects is... how many?

                Nuclear power is profitable while solar power is not.

      • by sfcat ( 872532 )
        Maybe look at what it takes to make a solar panel. Solar power isn't free, the panels need to be remade every 20 years or so and so isn't even that environmentally friendly. Also, you can measure death per kwh. Nuclear's is lower than solar's.
        • by catprog ( 849688 )

          Except the solar death stat is not a reliable measure.

          They looked at roof installer deaths and estimated solar falls from that. When you install solar you have a sold footing unlike when you are installing a roof.

    • Ignoring the issue of whether nuclear power is good or not, there is a massive nuclear power station being built in the UK right now. [wikipedia.org]

  • ... will it be before regular consumers start to see the benefit of renewable electricity generation in terms of a reduction in per-kWH costs?

    During the initial phases of the switch, we are being sold the line that it is necessary to "cover the cost of the deployment of new infrastructure".

    This is nonsense, of course, since once it has been deployed and the costs have been recovered, we'll be told that a higher-than-necessary unit cost will be to cover some form of amortization of the cost of replacem
    • by catprog ( 849688 )

      The problem is supply of electricity is a small proportion of retail costs. Network fees that keep going up are a much bigger percentage.

  • Need to examine the chosen time period for which the result has been achieved.

    The Guardian will assert three things. One that what it calls Global Heating is a critical problem for humanity.

    Two, that wind and solar electricity generation is a key to addressing this problem.

    Three, that the high generation of the cited day is evidence for point two.

    Its point three that is wrong. Because what it does not address is intermittency. If you look at the UK's generation over the time period of interest to users a

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