Intel Unveils New Core H-Series Laptop and 11th Gen Desktop Processors At CES 2021 (hothardware.com) 68
MojoKid writes: At its virtual CES 2021 event today, Intel's EVP Gregory Bryant unveiled an array of new processors and technologies targeting virtually every market, from affordable Chromebooks to enthusiast-class gaming laptops and high-end desktops. Intel's 11th Gen Core vPro platform was announced, featuring new Intel Hardware Shield AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology. In addition, the Intel Rocket Lake-S based Core i9-11900K 8-core CPU was revealed, offering up to a 19% improvement in IPC performance and the ability to out-pace AMD's Ryzen 9 5900X 12-core CPU in some workloads like gaming. Also, a new high-end hybrid processor, code-named Alder Lake was previewed. Alder Lake packs both high-performance cores and high-efficiency cores on a single product, for what Intel calls its "most power-scalable system-on-chip" ever. Alder Lake will also be manufactured using an enhanced version of 10nm SuperFin technology with improved power and thermal characteristics, and targets both desktop and mobile form factors when they arrive later this year.
Finally, Intel launched its new 11th Gen Core H-Series Tiger Lake H35 parts that will appear in high-performance laptops as thin as 16mm. At the top of the 11th Gen H-Series stack is the Intel Core i7-11375H Special Edition, a 35W quad-core processor (8-threads) that turbos up to 5GHz and supports PCI Express 4.0, and is targeted for ultraportable gaming notebooks. Intel is claiming single-threaded performance improvements in the neighborhood of 15% over previous-gen architectures and a greater than 40% improvement in multi-threaded workloads. Intel's Bryant also announced an 8-core mobile processor variant leveraging the same architecture as the 11th Gen H-Series that is slated to start shipping a bit later this quarter at 5GHz on multiple cores, with 20 lanes of PCIe Gen 4 connectivity.
Finally, Intel launched its new 11th Gen Core H-Series Tiger Lake H35 parts that will appear in high-performance laptops as thin as 16mm. At the top of the 11th Gen H-Series stack is the Intel Core i7-11375H Special Edition, a 35W quad-core processor (8-threads) that turbos up to 5GHz and supports PCI Express 4.0, and is targeted for ultraportable gaming notebooks. Intel is claiming single-threaded performance improvements in the neighborhood of 15% over previous-gen architectures and a greater than 40% improvement in multi-threaded workloads. Intel's Bryant also announced an 8-core mobile processor variant leveraging the same architecture as the 11th Gen H-Series that is slated to start shipping a bit later this quarter at 5GHz on multiple cores, with 20 lanes of PCIe Gen 4 connectivity.
10nm? (Score:2)
Anyone who still tracks Intel development here, who knows how available their 10nm actually are nowadays? And at what prices?
Still extremely expensive ar zero availability, or is that an outdated view.
Also... 20 lanes?
Not 128? Not 64? 20?
Is that a typo or some kind of meme?
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dmi bus at 3 or 4? (Score:2)
dmi bus at 3 or 4?
Re:10nm? (Score:4, Informative)
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Yet another kick at the 14nm can. Got old long ago. Intel is stepping in it deeper and deeper.
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As such, this is speculation on why it lost 2 cores compared to the 10900K.
also, single thread performance -- intel needed to reclaim the single thread performance crown, esp. for gamers.
lose 2 cores to reduce thermals, max out the boost freq. of your remaining cores, and claim you offer the best gaming CPU
the 11900K only has ~5% faster single thread performance than amd's best, but at least now amd isn't besting intel in multi-threading and single threads.
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10nm has been DOA for more than a year. It's dead Jim.
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Intel's consumer platforms often have few PCIe lanes from the SoC/CPU. 20 is pretty normal for them.
10nm is still widely-unavailable in anything but 4c form. The 8c Tiger Lake mentioned in the article will be their first 10nm chip with more than four cores on the consumer market.
Re: Yay! More insecure hardware for ransomware... (Score:2)
Please no fuckin anorexia on laptops too! (Score:1)
I want an actual keyboard! Not a beveled touchpad! /serioulsy/ GTFO and die impaled on a cactus.
And a proper swappable battery (ideally while running) system or
Re: Please no fuckin anorexia on laptops too! (Score:1)
I say it is very deliberate planned breaking. The whole and only point it that the tiniest defect ruins the entire thing.
Same reason the expensive phone a buddy of mine bought, had a *glass* back, that was *deliberately designed* to cause an air cushion that made it slip off any hard surface all by itself, and break.
I say it is criminal. I say: Prison for everyone makong or selling a laptop where he battery takes less than 30 seconds to replace, even if they 'just work there'.
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I'll settle for replaceable battery (i.e., not glued in or that typical Apple bullshit that others emulate). For emergency power, external battery pack on USB-C works great. Much better actually, you don't have to stop the computer to connect.
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I'll settle for replaceable battery (i.e., not glued in or that typical Apple bullshit that others emulate). For emergency power, external battery pack on USB-C works great. Much better actually, you don't have to stop the computer to connect.
Some laptops used to have hot swappable batteries, without the need to power down. One in the drive bay, one main battery. You could keep going all day in the field with a big stack of batteries. This is no longer a thing with the death of DVD drives.
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My T460 still has this, it's pretty old but not old enough to have a DVD drive. There's a battery in the rear that you can swap, and a built-in one under the trackpad area that lives there. It'll first use the removable battery so yeah you can go the whole day swapping them out.
With up to 18 hours of battery life, you can go all day without recharging. Whatâ(TM)s more, Power Bridge Technology combines an internal battery with an external hot-swappable battery. This provides flexibility, allowing you to swap batteries without powering down, maximizing time between charges.
Lol at the 18 hours, but the rest works as advertised.
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/l... [lenovo.com]
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My backpack is long enough to carry a full-size USB keyboard, so why not?
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Do Thinkpads still have "real" keyboards? I
Yes, the Carbon X1 has a delightful keyboard. It doesn't have the same look as the proper keyboard on the W510, so I was sceptical. Having used it, it' a delight. Keys have good travel and nice feel. I actually prefer it to my W510, and I dislike most laptop keyboards.
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I'm in the market for a laptop too, but trying to hold out for Ryzen 5000 mobile parts and USB 4. That should bring Thunderbolt capability and a step up in performance.
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Yes, the Carbon X1 has a delightful keyboard.
Carbon X1 Gen8? I have one, I love it in many ways, but the keyboard is unreliable.
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Carbon X1 Gen8? I have one, I love it in many ways, but the keyboard is unreliable.
Uhh...
Good question. I'm not actually sure. It's not super new, but new enough to have a 1TB disk and 4k display. It's had heavy and not particularly kind use but has not exhibited any keyboard problems. I think maybe 7th gen.
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The Thinkpads now have "chiclet" keyboards like everyone else. They also ditched their 7-row layout that mimicked a standard keyboard for a more typical laptop layout with home/end/page up/page down move wherever. With that said, they still have the best keyboards of any modern laptop, but their keyboards are not as good as they were 15 years ago.
Alone Worth the Price of Upgrading (Score:4, Insightful)
new Intel Hardware Shield AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology
Yes, you're likely to never again find such a fine assortment of buzzwords all lovingly baked into one delicious chip.
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You have to really watch out for that threat ransomware. The other kind is okay, though(?).
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Gotta admit, that one's a little goofy. Perhaps a missing comma.
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Re: Alone Worth the Price of Upgrading (Score:2)
It's part of the bug that will give you another lovely backdoor to be raped through.
Learned to avoid 'vPro' a long time ago.
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Huh? Maybe to you. To others, that is just an accurate description, economical and precise language.
Re: Alone Worth the Price of Upgrading (Score:2)
What others? Because they are not evem from this planet.
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All I see is a tacit admission that they haven't fixed their security flaws, and are just ladling bullshit on top of the processor in an attempt to close the barn door after the horses have already fucked security right in the back door.
That' all well and good (Score:2)
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The 4c chips? Sort of. The 8c chips? That's a good question. We don't know. Probably not.
Sir Spams A Lot (Score:1)
Succeeds again.
One of the things I noticed in the Hugh Pickens COVID story with a link to the Slashdot Hall of Fame [slashdot.org], was that four of the most active submitters MojoKid, itwbennet, sciencehabit and coondoggie are all spammers.
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Did they fix ALL the CPU flaws? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Yeah, I wonder the same thing. It's really hard to find clear information as to what is fixed in hardware and what isn't on which processors.
...almost like most people don't care. Which, unfortunately, is probably the case.
Re: Did they fix ALL the CPU flaws? (Score:1)
Oh they do care.
They just don't know it yet.
They will, when ransomware demands they stick a Yoda doll up their asses or the pictures will be send to bossman and grandma.
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Why would you care? I mean it's been years now and the number of times this exploit has affected people has been zero. Do you have windows in your house? That's a major security risk right there, someone could throw a brick through them.
If you're going to shit on Intel, shit on them for their poor value proposition, the loaded rubbish (you did that already, kudos), their processor lockdowns, their lack of backwards compatibility, their piss poor approach to peripherals (20 PCIe 4.0 lanes, did they gimp the
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I tried to look it up and had a partial success. Metldown is fixed in the 10th generation in hardware. I did not find info about this 11th generation (e.g. i9-11900K) but I guess it is fixed when it was fixed in the 10th generation.
Source: https://software.intel.com/sec... [intel.com]
More Management Engine misery? (Score:2)
"AI-enabled threat ransomware and crytpo-mining malware detection technology" has to live somewhere - could it be in the Manegement Engine like similar features? I am quite a bit skeptical for two major reasons:
1. Anti-virus and threat detection software - what is really an appropriate to run in this environment? Could we get more prevention (like fixing your side channel attack-enabling bugs ...) instead of detection? I would rather stop exploits from executing at all, instead of detecting their presence o
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Re: More Management Engine misery? (Score:2)
Yes.
vPro means IME for corporate admin access.
In some workloads.. (Score:4, Insightful)
And there lies the the crux. Intel has been known for a while to push the speed per core as far as it'll go, focusing on a small number of reasonably nippy cores.
AMD focused on a large number of cores that are almost (and in the last round of Ryzens, equally) as zippy as Intel's cores.
So, the message that Intel sends out is that "In some workloads", such as Gaming (which is often dependent on a very small number of fast cores currently, though this may well change given the low cost of cores these days) they perform better.
What's going to be of interest, is a published breakdown of how the two compare under a variety of conditions and tasks. When you get to compare it objectively and see where it's strong, and where it's weak, and perhaps why it has strengths and weaknesses, then people can make objective and informed purchasing decision.
Otherwise it's like choosing broadband and having one company offer you "Up to 1Gbps", and a second offer "Up to 250Mbps". What the first doesn't tell you is that "Up to" in your case is an implementation of RFC 1149 with one pigeon they found in the local trash can (and still aren't certain if it's alive).
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A few years ago you needed cooling that was adequate to stop the machine overheating and crashing, anything more than that was largely a waste.
These days a more powerful cooling system can directly result in better performance.
It's likely that the 4.9 figure is based on a worst case scenario using the stock cooling.
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It's a 105W TDP chip (142W sustained power draw when cooling isn't an issue). If you spec a ~110W cooler for the thing, it won't boost as high as if your cooling solution can handle abit more power dissipation. I don't know if Vermeer (Zen3/5000-series) works exactly the same way, but der8auer found that Matisse (Zen2/3000-series) could handle an extra 50 MHz clocks for every 20C you dropped the hotspot temps. It's actually kind of hard to get those temps below 70-80c (depending on the workload) due to t
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Cooling is the other issue. Intel parts run hot, their 14nm process is a lot less efficient than the 7nm that AMD is using. So while they may technically be faster, that's only if you are not thermally constrained, not overclocking your AMD into the same thermal envelope, and don't care about power consumption.
It's particularly bad on laptops where cooling is limited by the form factor and weight requirements, and where power very much does matter.
targeting virtually every market (Score:2)
I don't see any prices there so it's hard to say what markets they're targeting.
For example, are they targeting the $300 notebook market where Ryzen is king? Probably not at all.