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China Hardware

New Huawei Chip Factory May Help It Avoid US Trade Ban (engadget.com) 22

In August the U.S. announced restrictions aimed at preventing Huawei from obtaining semiconductors without a special license.

It might work, reports Engadget: Huawei might have a way to avoid some of the worst consequences of tightening U.S. trade restrictions, provided it's willing to be patient. Financial Times sources claim Huawei is planning a dedicated chip factory in Shanghai that would make parts for its core telecom infrastructure business. It would be run by a partner, the city-backed Shanghai IC R&D Center, and would be considered experimental until it's ready to make chips Huawei can use.

The plant would start by making chips based on a very old 45-nanometer process before moving to 28nm chips by late 2021. That would be advanced enough to make chips for smart TVs and Internet of Things devices, the tipsters said. It would reach 20nm by late 2022, when it could make "most" of its 5G cellular hardware.

Between this and a stockpile of chips, Huawei could theoretically keep its telecom hardware business running with relatively little disruption.

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New Huawei Chip Factory May Help It Avoid US Trade Ban

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    Lick my balls, China.
  • Won't they just ban ICs manufactured in this facility too? I don't think working around trade restrictions is as easy as this. Is it?

    • by Koen Lefever ( 2543028 ) on Sunday November 01, 2020 @03:53PM (#60672784)

      Won't they just ban ICs manufactured in this facility too? I don't think working around trade restrictions is as easy as this. Is it?

      I guess this is not about selling phones in the USA, but in the rest of the world. TSMC stopped selling CPUs and Samsung & LG stopped selling screens to Huawei. If Huawei can buy or build their components in China, they at least can continue to sell phones in Asia, Europe, Africa and South America - i.e. they can survive outside of the USA. See this article (in Dutch) [www.vrt.be] about Huawei's flagship phone launch and their troubles in Belgium.

  • The real story is that modern fab processes are not critical for almost anything. Seems like 20nm is good enough for most things if this story is correct.
    What this says to me is that not only is EUV push getting more and more epxensive but also the financial returns are likely to decline. The writing is on the wall.

  • by Kryptonut ( 1006779 ) on Sunday November 01, 2020 @04:08PM (#60672816)

    China will build their own if supply from the US is interfered with.

    All the US has done with these sanctions and bans is make China more independent and cost US chipmakers sales to China

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by retiredJan ( 7285906 )

      Agree fully and the biggest point is: they are to stuppid to see what they are doing.

      • It is worse than that.

        If China ever did try to invade Taiwan, there would be an icy cold war and no trade whatsoever. That would hurt China today. But as they become more self sufficient that pain would be reduced. And we are pushing them to become more self sufficient.

    • Beat me to it. Thank you, Mr.Trump, for forcing China into accelerated selective-breeding of the semiconductor industries that will help accelerate the US' decline in the world market. Once Huawei can make their own 5G silicon they can both tell the US where they can stick their sanctions and make sure they sell it cheaper than any US company can. What might otherwise have taken decades to occur will now be done in a year or two.
  • by williamyf ( 227051 ) on Sunday November 01, 2020 @04:15PM (#60672836)

    SMIC Is a chinese semiconductor fab/foundry, the biggest in china, and partialy state owned.

    They already have a solid 14nm, but is a publicly listed company, and with some important international clients. And that's why SMIC will not accept a commision from Huawei to manufacture ICs, lest it be put in the USoA's black liost, and lose those customers.

    therefore, Huawei's slow hard road of financing a fab from almost scratch...

    • SMIC Is a chinese semiconductor fab/foundry, the biggest in china, and partialy state owned.

      ... lest it be put in the USoA's black liost, and lose those customers.

      It's not the customers that SMIC is afraid of losing. Its customers are largely Chinese, so those customers are dictated by Beijing and not Washington. Rather, it's losing the American, Dutch, and Japanese suppliers that is worrisome. Losing those suppliers relegates SMIC to also-ran status with no chance of catching up to its competitors.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Which is why China is pumping huge resources into developing domestic capability to replace those foreigner suppliers within the next few years. In fact if you are working for one of those suppliers, want to get rich quick and don't mind living with some restrictions on your freedoms for a few years you can go get a job over there right now.

  • use the foxcon WI place !!

    • MOD parent UP! Why tie the future of Huawai to Bejing?

      The answer to trade sanctions is always not just local manufacture but diversity in your supply chain.

  • This ban in the US was just to encourage the fake US factory and convince the gullible US worker that that there might be some high tech manufacturing in the desolate US heartland. But I think what the foreign operators found was that there was no work force, which is why they mostly hired Asian graduate students. And why hire Asians in the US when there are more in Asia
  • by SuperDre ( 982372 ) on Monday November 02, 2020 @05:27AM (#60674538) Homepage
    The trade ban might now impose a slight problem for chinese companies, but in the end it will hurt US businesses even more as chinese companies are moving their orders for components etc away from using US companies..
  • Right next to the Foxcon plant!

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