AMD Brings Power And Performance Of Ryzen 4000 Renoir Processors To Desktop PCs (hothardware.com) 42
MojoKid writes: Today AMD took the wraps off a new line of desktop processors based on its Zen 2 architecture but also with integrated Radeon graphics to better compete against Intel with OEM system builders. These new AMD Ryzen 4000 socket AM4 desktop processors are essentially juiced-up versions of AMD's already announced Ryzen 4000 laptop CPUs, but with faster base and boost clocks, as well as faster GPU clocks for desktop PCs. There are two distinct families AMD Ryzen 4000 families, a trio of 65-watt processors that include the Ryzen 3 4300G (4-core/8-thread), Ryzen 5 4600G (6-core/12-thread), and the flagship Ryzen 7 4700G, offering 8 cores/16 threads, base/boost clocks of 3.6GHz/4.4GHz, 12MB cache, and 8 Radeon Vega cores clocked at 2100MHz. AMD is also offering three 35-watt processors -- Ryzen 3 4300GE, Ryzen 5 4600GE, and the Ryzen 7 4700GE -- which share the same base hardware configurations as the "G" models but slightly lower CPU/GPU clocks to reduce power consumption. In addition AMD also announced its Ryzen Pro 4000 series for business desktops, which also include a dedicated security processor and support for AMD Memory Guard full system memory encryption. As you might expect, specs (core/cache counts, CPU/GPU clocks) for the Ryzen Pro 4000G (65W) and Ryzen Pro 4000GE (35W) largely line up with their consumer desktop counterparts.
Wake me up when Ryzens with NAVI cores Arrive (Score:3)
Not to troll or anything. Even with the old Vega graphics, and IGPU from AMD will perform better than an Intel IGPU, but, for a part that I can not replace on a laptop, and thta, if I wanted to replace on a desktop I have to throw away a bunch of cores, I'd rather buy one with Navi.
AMD has dragged their feet on NAVI IGPUs long enough
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For me, forget Intel's or AMD's GPU offerings.. Give me that Nivida chipset please. Personally, I'm going to be looking for a new Laptop soon, hoping to get an fast AMD CPU and a Nivida GPU... (Hear that laptop integrators? Please hear that..)
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I think there already are Clevo offerings that match this... Although I
XMG offers the Apex 15 with a Ryzen 3950X and a GTX 2070.
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For me, forget Intel's or AMD's GPU offerings.. Give me that Nivida chipset please. Personally, I'm going to be looking for a new Laptop soon, hoping to get an fast AMD CPU and a Nivida GPU... (Hear that laptop integrators? Please hear that..)
Say no more fam: https://www.asus.com/Laptops/R... [asus.com]
Been available for months. Best gaming laptop on the market. I like ultra books but AMD has an edge there, too. 8 cores in just 15w. Amazing, really
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Re:Beware. (Score:4, Informative)
If you install an AMD product, be sure to retrofit your dwelling with in industrial strength chiller, lest you want to succumb to a fatal case of heat prostration.
That's actually a common misconception today. Yea, AMD used to run hotter and dissipate more heat at similar performance levels, but that's not true anymore. AMD has, with it's smaller lithography process, managed to reduce heat dissipation for the same performance. These days, Intel's CPU's are the heaters.
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but that's not true anymore
Please don't generalise. AMD's NAVI GPUs literally hit the market operating at thermally throttling temperatures out of the box. Lithography is only one part of the temperature equation, and isn't even the thing that made AMD chips in the past run hotter in the first place.
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nobody is talking about GPUs dude.
Especially the Radon GPUs.. Yuck.. Neither AMD nor Intel are competing with Nividia on GPU performance.
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nobody is talking about GPUs dude.
No, we're talking about lithography, something that AMD's GPUs and CPUs have in common, and something that I just used as an example of having nothing at all to do with releasing chips that run hot or not.
Re: Beware. (Score:2)
Exactly. By the same reasoning Intel CPUs run hot because Pentium 4s did.
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I thought the IGPUs were pretty much memory limited for now.
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Matching a chip to the best possible performance from standard RAM to get almost low end discrete graphics performance for low cost seems to be the correct path when an extra few 10s of watts under load isn't a problem.
In laptops there's some value as seen by the Intel chip that used AMD graphics, but clearly not enough that we are seeing revisions of it.
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GPU (Score:3)
Did they skimp on the GPU? The 3400G has 11 cores, while this one has 8. Would like to see 4K decode benchmarks. My office has some 3400G based computers -- reason I got them is they run silent .. they are actually the most powerful CPUs I could find that have low enough TDP to run silent (granted I have what ought to be the world's biggest heat sink and low rpm fan on it). Anyway, they work great except when I put 4K movies on there they do appear to drop frames .. not very noticeable but it happens.
Re:GPU (Score:4, Informative)
Did they skimp on the GPU? The 3400G has 11 cores, while this one has 8.
The 4700G iGPU has a significantly higher clock speed and the processor also has a bit more memory bandwidth than the 3400G.
Since these APU's are bandwidth limited.... the compute needed to utilize it varies based on clock speed. Kinda the point of Vega to be able to scale compute up and down modularly.
Patience is in low supply (Score:2)
While I'm all yay about new Ryzen CPUs, I decided to wait for DDR5 on this front...
What does make me stand at the door and hop from one foot to another like Al Bundy waiting for a pizza is RDNA2...
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I decided to wait for DDR5 on this front...
So you're going to basically skip a couple of generations? Because let's face it neither this release here, nor the Zen 3 will hit the market with DDR5 so ... computer upgrade late 2022? Early 2023?
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Intel should start releasing DDR5 offerings with Ice Lake-SP and Alder Lake in the upcoming year. Zen 4 (late 2022) will also have DDR5.
As far as memory bandwidth is concerned, Xeon is still on top so it doesn't surprise me they are going to try to get back some of that free marketing AMD has been scoring with high integer benchmark scores simply by using DDR5 and focus on the AVX512 and FP scores.
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Zen 4 (late 2022) will also have DDR5.
Yeah literally what I said.
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Well, the days of upgrading every two or three years are long in the past. CPU performance gains are just not what they were circa 2002.
I last built my desktop in 2015 and it's still doing just fine - only thing it struggles a bit with is 4k gaming, but so does basically everything else unless you spend a fortune.
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Of course, but then why would the OP be "all yay" about the new CPUs? That's the disconnect. Someone seemingly wants to upgrade but decided to arbitrarily wait for a new technology that's effectively half an upgrade generation away.
Bizarre.
Actually, you are onto something (Score:2)
While I'm all yay about new Ryzen CPUs, I decided to wait for DDR5 on this front...
You are onto something pal. IGPUs are limited by the smaller sustained bandwidht of DDR vs GDDR. So, by waiting for DDR5, you will maximize the performance of whatever IGPU you get at that time..
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Goddamn marketing (Score:3)
It was so simple at first. Ryzen 1000 series with the Zen core. Then came Zen+ and it had 2000 numbers. Then came Zen 2 and it had 3000 numbers except for the laptop models which were Zen+ despite the 3000 numbers, then came the 4000 but Zen 3 wasn't announced yet, but it was okay because it was for laptops and so therefore it wasn't any stupider than the last ones. Then we got 3000 series parts with a new designation showing they were higher binned, and now we have 4000 series, and desktop parts, even a "Pro" part still using the old Zen 2 architecture, yet no matching high end chips to compete with the 3000 series.
What the hell AMD. Of all the things you could copy from Intel, why copy the mental retardation in the marketing department?
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What the hell AMD. Of all the things you could copy from Intel, why copy the mental retardation in the marketing department?
The market wants a Zen 2 APU
Seems that you are the retard.
Re: Goddamn marketing (Score:2)
He criticized solely the *naming*.
Everyone wanted a Zen 2 APU.
But they should have given the things proper names!
And yes, you are of course, the retard. :P
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The market wants a Zen 2 APU
Seems that you are the retard.
I never said the product shouldn't exist. The irony of calling someone a retard when you yourself are unable to read words good like is palpable. You have won today's idiot comment of the day award.
The plus side is there's lots of price points (Score:2)
Meanwhile with Intel you've got the $90 Pentiums, the $130-$140 i3s, the $160-180 i5s and the "sky's the limit" for the i7s and i9s. And as sooner as there's a hardware refresh *poof*, all last gen's CPUs are gone and if you wa
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Indeed the product lineup is good, it just seems the naming scheme was come up with in great detail and described in a 100 page document which was dropped and lacked page numbers, and now you just have complete nonsense naming scheme as a result.
Finallly! (Score:3)
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Its good for consoles because they load up on GDDR6 and such. That wont work on desktops because desktops care more about latency than bandwidth. Those 64 byte cache line loads with DDR4 are quite snappy in comparison to anything any version of GDDR can do with their enormous cache lines.
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Yep. I tend a NAS with a Ryzen 5 with an old discrete graphics card, and a useless VGA port on the mobo.
The absurdity is that the old graphics card may be more power hungry than the CPU itself, just to have a VGA console, which means recurring costs for electricity, both directly and about 3x for cooling.
And good luck finding a cheap low-power discrete graphics card. In theory those could run $20 / 5W with minimal SVGA support, but there's not a sufficient market.
These new parts are a good environmental m