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The New 2019 MacBook Air Features a Slower SSD Than 2018 Model (imore.com) 121

The new 2019 MacBook Air with a True Tone display, upgraded keyboard and a price cut has been out for a week already, but we're finding out more about. The latest bit of information from Consomac confirms an unfortunate drawback: the SSD is slower than the previous 2018 model. From a report: The French site conducted some tests on the new 2019 MacBook Air using Blackmagic Disk Speed Test and it achieved speeds of 1.3 GB/s read and 1 GB/s write. Compare it to the 2018 MacBook Air, which achieved 2 GB/s read and 0.9 GB/s write. Apple's newer laptop improved slightly on the writing side, but its performance downgraded by 35% on the reading side. That can be attributed to a slower SSD Apple included in the new MacBook Air.
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The New 2019 MacBook Air Features a Slower SSD Than 2018 Model

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:30PM (#58929928)

    At a time when SSD prices are plummeting and speeds are increasing exponentially, to ship an inferior drive to what they had in the last revision, that is courage!

    • by CoolCash ( 528004 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:35PM (#58929978) Homepage
      So a drive with higher write speeds inferior?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Write speeds that are slightly faster and read speeds that are drastically slower when reads are far more common than writes, I'd say yes.

        • by guruevi ( 827432 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:53PM (#58930090)

          Most reads (90%) actually come from RAM. Writes have to happen and are the biggest thing that cause people to be frustrated with speed because you cannot delay it, many applications will hang the UI while doing it.

          Although at 1GB/s I highly doubt anyone will notice. These are office-work machines and still superior to the SATA SSD most computers come with these days.

          • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

            1GB/sec sequential writes. They will notice when it's random I/O.

            I have a machine with an older Samsung SSD. 550MB/sec sequential write speed, verified. The system gets extremely slow and unresponsive when downloading via BitTorrent at over about 15MB/sec, freezing for several seconds at a time with 20MB/sec.

            The random writes of BitTorrent really hammer performance. It doesn't help that the machine has only 4GB of RAM so switching tabs in Firefox causes a few megs to load from the disk cache. Tab switches t

    • I actually think the Chinese tariffs may be the cause.

    • There's so many issues in testing an SSD. There's a lot of cache and fast access memory management that goes on. There's serial versus random reads and writes. There's the command Queiing. there's temperature issues on sustained writes. And there's access under conditions where multiple tasks are trying to access rater than just one. All of which means your test harness has a lot to balance. There's no single number for performance either.

      I can't say if this SSD is slower or faster, I'm just saying t

      • Considering that this is an Air, it's not like the machine internal bandwidth will be wanting for IO while waiting for data. These may not be slow for the type but these are hardly that fast compared to desktop machines used for engineering workstations. I can't believe anyone would notice the difference. Apple makes pretty nice gear anyway. They aren't risking their reputations on poor performing drives.
    • by geekoid ( 135745 )

      "exponentially"

      lol, no.

    • Itâ(TM)s possible the downgraded drive doesnâ(TM)t actually impact performance of the system... the MacBook Air is not a performance device, and by using a lower-spec without impacting performance frees up money to improve other components and maintain the old price-point for the laptop.

  • If this were a Macbook Pro I would say that was a strange change, but since it's the Air I don't see as great a need for really speedy SSD... for lots of uses of the Air the improved write speed would be slightly more useful if anything.

    • Except for the fact that a newer model, you should expect at worse performance to stay the same or be better.

      Sure an Air you don't expect a super computer, however due to Apples long lifecycle on their products, you should expect a better new version.

      • Long lifecycle? The whole last batch of Macbooks have the ticking time bomb keyboard. Better hope your keyboard fails while Applecare is current. (And even then they will just install another time bomb keyboard) Resale value after Applecare? Why not buy lottery tickets instead?

      • you should expect at worse performance to stay the same or be better.

        A) Why? Products change all the time. The speed they offer is still much better than spinning disk.

        B) It is for write speeds.

        • Agree with you for once. Nobody should expect the performance to stay the same or be better because this is Apple.

        • My goodness, hey man, I have nothing against you really, but whatâ(TM)s wrong with you? Youâ(TM)re calling the write speeds a victory while saying that the reads are irrelevant? I have no dog in this fight, but thatâ(TM)s pretty goofy. Why are you going through so much trouble to spin this for Apple? What do you get out of it? Do you not see the hypocrisy or are you just trolling the other dudes?
          • He's not entirely wrong though. Read speeds aren't irrelevant... they can certainly add to the speedy feel of a system. But in reality read speeds are effectively masked by caching. Any modern system with a decent amount of RAM should have a read cache hit ratio of at least 50%. Sure, probably not on initial boot (unless you're doing fancy stuff with preloading caches from previous sessions) but after running for a little bit the relative speed of the underlying drive isn't as noticeable. Write speeds ARE m

            • A reasonable expectation in this field, is that when using the time frame of years as a benchmark, that nothing, neither reads nor writes, should get slower.

              In fact, it would be entirely expected for both to increase, and when measured over a timeframe denoted in years, increases would even be considered failures were those increases not large enough.

              There is no legitimate need for a consumer in 2019 to justify a speed decrease in either reads nor writes. Frankly, I canâ(TM)t fathom why they would

        • The speeds they offer us is much faster then Real to Real tape too. However for most computing needs we need to read data. While Ram Caching is a useful tool. I myself tend to run with some heavy read sessions causing the disk to go beyond the cache.
          Now this is a mobile system. So we are not going crazy with Logging, or DB activity, however it will want to load data from disk and dump it into RAM.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      If this were a Macbook Pro I would say that was a strange change, but since it's the Air I don't see as great a need for really speedy SSD... for lots of uses of the Air the improved write speed would be slightly more useful if anything.

      A ~40% performance deficit in read performance certainly is going to hurt when you're loading up applications and games or loading datasets into those applications. Write performance (at only 10% difference) is unlikely to have that much of an impact for a device like this.

    • Apple introduces the Mackbook Toy lineup. Mackbook Toy costs twice as much as a Mackbook Pro because it's twice as much fun. It's twice as much fun because it does half as much work. Apple logic.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Apple has some really great tech but they are more interested in building status symbols than work horse computers. The air is for execs to feel good about themselves when they open it in front of other execs in the fancy conference room. If you actually want to get work done, they want you to fork out for a Pro.

    • by jellomizer ( 103300 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:01PM (#58930152)

      I would say it was a status symbol 10 years ago. Today someone who has a Mac Laptop is mostly stuck on it, because they didn't want to port over their software to a Windows version.

      pre-iPhone days, you were Mr. Fancy pants if you walked into starbucks with a thin Mac Laptop. Today, people look at you funny for having a laptop in general.
      For business folks lately you will see them with the always classy Think Pads.

      • The big advantage of the Mac is: my shel scripts run the same like on linux.
        Well, Windows 10 changed that, but why would I use that?

        Linux has no useable mail program and is not scriptable like Mac OS X or macOS is.

        However I like to use GitBash on Windows, works most of the time perfectly (can not do a MySQL log in though, somehow the invisible password or some input thing goes wrong).

        • The big advantage of the Mac is: my shel scripts run the same like on linux.
          Well, Windows 10 changed that, but why would I use that?

          There's long been a variety of ways to run your shell scripts on Windows or even DOS, although running shell scripts on DOS often required massaging. I had both sh and csh for DOS. And even before Cygwin, there was MKS Toolkit, though that was commercial software.

        • No usable mail program on Linux?? I've been using Thunderbird for over a decade, works great. You must have some silly criteria for "usable"

          I've horror stories about MS Outlook on Mac

          • No usable mail program on Linux?? I've been using Thunderbird for over a decade, works great. You must have some silly criteria for "usable"
            I consider it unuseable.

            Worst thing I remember: define a smpt connection, make a mistake, so it does not work. Delete it. Make a new one with the same "name" does not work: the name is already in use. Wow: I DELETED the old one ... and it is hidden somewhere in a config file that you don't find it with grep to kill it the hard way.

            Deinstall Thunderbird. Install it again

        • Funny that you say "shell scripts" instead of, you know, naming which shell, while taking about "shell compatibility" between linux, windows, and osx (and more broadly, bsd). This indicates that you dont know that there is more than one shell available on the platforms you listed, that you have literally always been able to make all those platforms shell compatible with each other, and that all this time, you didnt know it.
          • and that all this time, you didnt know it.
            How do you come to that retarded idea?

            Writing a bash script on macOs, Linux, BSD has ZERO overhead in making it run on each of those systems.

            This indicates that you dont know that there is more than one shell available on the platforms you listed, that you have literally always been able to make all those platforms shell compatible with each other
            Actually I always knew that. Idiot. When I started on Unix around 1987, MK Systems already existed.

            And you are wrong. On

      • Not a status symbol, my employer gives us a choice and Mac OSX is far more useful than Windows. Plenty of business software targeted for it, my scripts and favorite Linux wares run on it. It has longer battery life and more power than the Dell alternative they offer us too.

        Of course, I wouldn't buy one for home, my laptop and desktop run Linux Mint. then sure, Thinkpad is great way to run Linux.

        That Ubuntu crap Microsoft has with windows is like strapping an outboard motor on a goat and calling it a fish

      • Today someone who has a Mac Laptop is mostly stuck on it, because they didn't want to port over their software to a Windows version.

        If they have a MacBook then they don't have to port their Windows apps over.

        I have a MacBook that I run Windows in a virtual machine, to switch back and forth is just a keystroke. I just helped my brother set up a dual boot on a MacBook so that he could work from home using Windows during the day and then reboot into macOS for his wife to use in the evenings. He's got it set up with a wide format screen at his desk so he's got plenty of screen space, a Windows style keyboard, and the pointing device of hi

      • I would say it was a status symbol 10 years ago.

        Today Apple products mark you as a shallow fad follower, lacking in the fiscal planning department.

  • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:49PM (#58930074)
    Ignore the sequential speeds. They're over so quickly that they make little difference to wait times (aside from a few specialized tasks which work with large files, like real-time video editing). The bottleneck on disk speeds is and always has been the small file read/write speeds. The slowest operation takes the longest time, consequently they have disproportionate weight in overall weight times.

    e.g. Say you're comparing a NVMe SSD with 2 GB/s sequential speeds and 35 MB/s 4k speeds, with a SATA SSD with 500 MB/s sequential speeds and 50 MB/s 4k speeds. Say the operating you're using to compare involves 1 GB of sequential data, and 200 MB of 4k data. Which disk will finish the task faster?

    Obviously the NVMe drive, right? It has 4x faster sequential speeds, while only being 1.4x slower at 4k speeds. And there's 5x more sequential data than 4k data. Everything favors the NVMe drive, right?

    NVMe: (1 GB) / (2 GB/s) + (200 MB) / (35 MB/s) = 0.5 sec + 5.7 sec = 6.2 sec
    SATA: (1 GB) / (500 MB/s) + (200 MB) / (50 MB/s) = 2 sec + 4 sec = 6.0 sec

    Surprise! It's the slowest drive speeds which matter the most. If you want a fast SSD, get one whose slowest operation is as fast as you can get. That means it needs to have fast 4k speeds. In typical tasks, a SATA SSD with good 4k speeds will outperform a NVMe SSD with poor 4k speeds.

    Unfortunately, Apple started putting terrible NAND into their Macbook SSDs a couple years back. I suspect this is fallout from ditching Samsung as their supplier, and switching to Toshiba NAND. If you scroll down to the disk benchmark section [notebookcheck.net], the 2018 MBPs have the worst 4k speeds of any laptop SSD I've seen. 11 MB/s reads, 20 MB/s writes for the 15". The 13" is even worse [notebookcheck.net] Typical 4k scores for other laptops are 30-70 MB/s reads, 100-150 MB/s writes.

    Apple managed to dodge criticism for this significant downgrade to the Macbook SSDs because a bunch of clueless reviewers didn't understand that OS X's new filesystem simply created links when copying files, instead of actually copying the file. (This was probably done to minimize the space occupied by files on the disk, since Apple regularly puts SSDs with insufficient capacity in their Macbooks, and charges an arm and a leg for capacity upgrades which can only be made at the time of purchase. Once you buy it, there's no way to upgrade it. The actual copy isn't made unless/until you do something to make the copy different from the original.) And they erroneously declared the SSD in the new Macbooks were the fastest they've ever seen, when in actually they're the slowest ever and their benchmark was erroneously reporting the time to create a link as the time to make a copy.
    • Why people think "performace" means "throughput" is something I'll never understand. Throughput is _always_ secondary to latency, and really only becomes interesting when it becomes a latency number (ie "I need higher throughput in order to process these jobs in 4 hours instead of 8" - notice how the real issue was again about _latency_).

      -- Linus Torvalds

  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @02:50PM (#58930080)
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  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @03:00PM (#58930140)
    You mean NVRAM chips soldered to the motherboard? An SSD is a modular drive and replaceable. Unless Crapple changed something for 2019, this ... thing ... doesn't qualify. But hey, it's thin!
    • you mean NAND flash chips
      But even there, they aren't addressed individually. They go through a controller. The NAND flash chips and the controller are what we call an SSD, whether it's replaceable or not. And yes, they should be replaceable.

    • An SSD is a modular drive and replaceable.

      Please point me to a definition in literature where modularity and replacability are a requirement.

  • I'm gonna call it. Innovation at Apple is officially dead.
    It's now just a company run by accountants selling the same tired old designs dating back to the Jobs era over and over at ridiculous prices to braindead sheep.

  • cooling? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by superwiz ( 655733 ) on Monday July 15, 2019 @05:27PM (#58930992) Journal
    I just bought a 256GB memory thumb-drive and tried to use it with a USB 3.0 hub. The entire system slowed down somewhat. When I took it out after about 1 min, it wasn't just warm. It was hot. It almost burned me. Cooling can be a huge concern if the memory is more tightly packed. What the Slashdot summary doesn't mention is if the storage is actually larger. If it is, then it may be quite tricky to keep it cool if it's kept at the same speed. And keeping the temperature down is an actual consideration in laptops because they need to balance form factor against performance.
    • by Wolfrider ( 856 )

      --Skip the high-capacity thumbdrives - go with an external SSD. Larger form factor, but much more reliable.

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