Intel Will Cut Desktop CPU Prices By 10-15% as Ryzen 3000 Draws Near, Report Says (techspot.com) 117
It's just over two weeks until AMD's full Ryzen 3000 family of processors arrive, and it appears Intel is concerned about the effect they may have on its own chip sales. From a report: As such, the company is reportedly planning to reduce the price of its eighth- and ninth-generation CPUs by 10 to 15 percent. The report comes from DigiTimes, citing sources from motherboard makers. It claims Intel has already notified its downstream PC and motherboard partners about the processor price drops, which could see anything from $25 to $75 knocked off the CPUs. If the report is accurate, the enthusiast eight-core/16-thread Core i9 9900K will be one of the chips to see a price reduction, as will the i7-9700K, and the i5-9600K.
and not on the workstation or server side (Score:4, Informative)
and not on the workstation or server side
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Yup. A fairly old Broadwell 6900K is still north of $800, which is ridiculous.
Re:and not on the workstation or server side (Score:4, Interesting)
HEDT and server aren't going to be anywhere near as friendly. AMD is going to be launching 64C/128T CPUs and their chiplet design means that they're relatively inexpensive to manufacture and the small size of the individual chiplets means that the yield is quite good even on a new process node. Meanwhile Intel has to put together two massive monolithic dies for their 56C/112T top-end server chip which is expected to draw around twice as much power as the AMD CPU. Maybe there are still some particular software packages that favor Intel or are heavily optimized for it, but I'm having a much more difficult time seeing a lot of value in Intel CPUs for servers and workstations than I am for desktops.
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Have you even looked at ryzen details? You're way off for zen2 architecture. even for shoving inside of a console with limited heat dissipation, I don't see anything under at least 3.5ghz all core boost on the 8 core part.
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How good would the Intel compiler have to be on non-Intel x86 CPUs before people would stop calling it "crippled"?
I submit that there is no such point, so they might as well not try to satisfy people who will never be satisfied.
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How good would the Intel compiler have to be on non-Intel x86 CPUs before people would stop calling it "crippled"?
I submit that there is no such point, so they might as well not try to satisfy people who will never be satisfied.
That may very well be true, but there's a reason. Intel poisoned the well, and their compiler is a closed source product. No one will ever trust it again not to screw over the competition as long as it is closed source because Intel behaves like a badly behaving monopoly.
Intel did some very bad things to AMD. No one is going to be satisfied that they've stopped until they come clean with their compiler's source, which can be audited. We're certainly never going to accept their word about anything again,
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Why is this modded down? Its rather informative. Do people really have to shill that hard that they down mod facts?
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While Intel's performance is undeniable I think the target market just isn't there. The vast majority of games don't benefit much from the extra CPU performance at all, not unless you're running 2080Tis at low resolutions on insanely expensive monitors. In real world gaming the gains were between 5-20% for games, and the high end of that figure comes from playing at 1080p, not something I expect too many people who fork out that kind of money for CPUs would do.
The 2700x vastly outsold Intel's top tier offer
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Yeah the reasons I went Intel on Ryzen 2 vs i7 for my home computer were:
Intel 4k Netflix Support
Intel Thunderbolt 3
End of list. They were cost competitive and with the i7 being about the same price for slightly worse 3D rendering and much better gaming performance the Intel was the clear choice.
Meanwhile I'm building a new workstation at work and waiting for the new threadripper. There is just zero comparison between the two. Intel gets smoked in every respect. Thunderbolt 3 is less important in a workst
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The zen 2 threadripper will be exciting for things like virtualization though. They've implemented a lot more features previously only seen on Xeon, like being able to reserve parts of L3 cache to individual VMs, on the hypervisor level.
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That's the think. The next generation of Ryzen if AMD's numbers are correct (probably partially though like chery-picked), will beat Intel on single thread performance. This is what Intel is afraid of. Even if it doesn't beat them right out, and is just faster in some case on single-threaded, it will make the situation murky, and Intel will stil need to respond as their crown in single-threaded performance is no longer undisputed.
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The high end is supply constrained, so even when there is competing products there is sufficient demand to support the prices for everyone.
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they paying apple tax
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Apple was immune to viruses and malware too, while Windows was crippled by them. Turned out they just weren't looked at in the same ways as Windows, and they did have their own vulnerabilities.
You, sir, are ignoring history.
Back in the way back, in the days of classic MacOS, Macs were often crippled by viruses and malware. The OS had no memory protection even on the few machines which had a MMU, and it had no filesystem security whatsoever, so it was an easy target. Mac users who did anything interesting (like use the internet and download software) generally had not just one but two anti-malware solutions running, Disinfectant and Gatekeeper. Disinfectant was an old-school signature-based virus
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I've stuck with AMD for CPU's since around the same generation as you, and never had a cooked processor in my life. It isn't hard, really. Just don't overclock it.
Yes, the specs might have said it could be overclocked, but of course, as you have apparently learned, you can't always trust that. Back in the day, if you overclocked, it's caveat emptor, so your best bet was to just not. If you need more performance, buy a higher end system.
For what it's worth, overclocking today is much safer than it
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I've regretted it every time I've bought an ATI/AMD GPU, but I'm still thinking about it a Zen 2 APU for my next system. I don't need super-fast graphics, just tolerable ones, and such a system would use around half of the power that this one will. I'm planning to be off-grid on solar, and my current machine can draw 350W at peak (as tested by benchmarking both CPU and GPU at the same time.) It could also be a lot smaller, I have a typical ATX-sized case now and all I have inside of the machine is video car
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All the killer NIC's are garbage whether you're on windows or nix, I've had issues with both OS's and random disconnects. Which sucks because the board I currently have is dual NIC, one intel one killer..... So cant bond and cant trust one to be reliable. On that note AMD OSS gpu driver for nix is awesome. I currently use a gtx1070 on debian, but if I do decide to upgrade anytime soon its most likely going to be to AMD. Especially since more and more games are moving to Vulcan. Other than that just waiting
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The Killer NIC works fine under Win7 but the Linux driver failed horribly. I got a dual BCM5709C for under $10 shipped, problem solved.
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I notice less issue on nix with it than I did on windows, however on my last gigabyte board that had the same setup(fx970 board) it wouldn't last more than 30 minutes before it would have some fault or another. Once I got this system I reluctantly figured I would try it again, and was just disappointed. Fortunately I know have a few decent 28 port switches I no longer have to rely on it. I no longer look at dual NIC boards as being a feature as I haven't seen one that isnt' a killer chipset. Would be wonder
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Dust would kill those Athlon's too, CPU fan fails or just gets plugged and CPU melts. Surprising how many people don't realize that computers need cleaning, as in blowing out, now and again.
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On the other hand, Intel's graphics card software seems pretty solid. My main complaint would be how they tend to not support older versions of Windows well with newer GPU's, and to a lesser extent, don't support older GPU's in newer versions of Windows.
AMD's graphics software is on the other hand is pretty terrible. I will give you that it does work better than nVidia's.
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After seeing literally hundreds of cooked Athlons back in 2000-2010
You're not supposed to fry eggs on them, you're supposed to mount a cooler to them.
I've been using AMD CPUs since the K6/2, and I don't know what you were doing wrong, but you certainly were doing it.
ATI video cards and drivers have traditionally sucked nuts, I've been using them since the Mach32, and they've been bluescreening Windows for me since the Mach64. And the AMD-branded Radeon I had last was crap (due to drivers) and I've had three nVidia cards since as a result. But I've also been consistently us
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After seeing literally hundreds of cooked Athlons back in 2000-2010
Yeah there were many cooked processors from people who removed heatsinks for the lulz. Pretty much zero in actual service though. No surprise you didn't see that from people voluntarily destroying their more expensive Intel processors, it didn't look as good either because the smoke was contained within the heat spreader.
But hey AMD introduced protective thermal management before Intel did, in 2002. The fact you are still concerned about this speaks volumes to your lack of rational thought.
10% off from an insecure CPU? (Score:1)
I'd rather Intel keep the price and put their act together with security. 10-15% off might put them a bit more at the level of AMD... but AMD does not have so many security flaws. So why pay for insecure cpus anyway....
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You connected your computer to the internet to make this comment. You clearly don't care about security.
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It would be interesting to know how much you'll pay someone to dig a hole and fill it back in again.
It's a big hole - this will take a few hours.
Intel's shit is still affected by Meltdown, right? (Score:5, Insightful)
Still don't want. Ryzen is the rational choice, from more POVs than just one.
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If only because AMD is not Intel (yet).
The asshattery alone drives me to AMD currently. If they manage a competitive Navi GPU, my next build will be red through and through... I've never had an AMD CPU before, I think.
Re: Intel's shit is still affected by Meltdown, ri (Score:1)
You skipped a hell of a lot of details, but managed to use a hell of a lot of words at the same time.
The '286? Protected mode? The x86 world didn't leap in one bound from the 8086 to the 386. And there were many intermediate steps beyond. And other market players. I have at least four brands of 8088 processors in my collection. I have a box with an 8086 processor in it that runs a real licensed classical UNIX.
Were you even old enough to know what a microprocessor was when the Cyrix 486 clone processors (whi
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Hardly revolutionary. Very successful, but neither novel nor a substantial advance in technology.
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In fact, the 68000 was massively superior. If they had had a second source, that Intel crap would never have amounted to anything. But IBM did insist on that 2nd manufacturer and Motorola could not deliver one in time.
Re:Intel's shit is still affected by Meltdown, rig (Score:4, Insightful)
Just remember that the only reason those bugs exist is because AMD was beating the piss out of Intel in benchmarks in consumer and server-side processing. Those shortcuts were the only way to beat them, and now millions of devices are reaping the whirlwind. Doubt they'll go the way of Cyrix but an assload of goodwill has been burned.
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Indeed. Intel did essentially cheat. And this is the result.
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Just remember that the only reason those bugs exist is because AMD was beating the piss out of Intel in benchmarks in consumer and server-side processing.
The only reason those bugs exist is that Intel managers and engineers collaborated to make an architecture which was obviously unsafe by design. It wasn't a natural law of the universe, it was humans making malicious decisions, and it took at least two people to make the decision and follow it. In practice, however, many more people will have had to have known about it, and chosen to remain silent. And in truth, Intel was warned about the issues at the time.
The way you're stating the problem absolves Intel
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I remember. I wish AMD would take the same shortcuts. The risk posed is so low that I would gladly take the extra speed especially at AMD prices.
Re: Intel's shit is still affected by Meltdown, ri (Score:1)
If you are playing competitively, the gameplay is more important than 4k graphics. The highest graphics resolution is for average players to compensate with. It's a sideshow thing, like chromed parts at the track.
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Bullshit, motherfucker! Have you actually tried an AMD graphics card? HOLY FUCKING SHIT. HOLY GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING SHIT. Their cards are so bad you'll be screaming for a return to the old VGA days. They don't know nearly as much about hardware as you claim they do. But, troll on bro!
This is...CPU's retard, and it takes a very special retard to not know the difference between a CPU and GPU. But just to give you a heads up...I have indeed. [magaimg.net] Know what's funny? Despite this gaming PC getting a bit long in the tooth(~5ish years old), and needing an update before Cyberpunk 2077 is released, it does a pretty solid job. Even managing to throw FFXV at 30FPS. But to make an obvious point, do you know how fucked up Nvidia is currently? They fully misread the previous and current generation of
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The situation could be reversed in a decade or so, but at the moment we have AMD as the underdog that needs to compete on merit and Intel as the big bad bully with criminal marketing practices that rips off people. Due to the particular stupidity of a lot of people, they will still prefer to buy from the big bully.
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Now, that’s been fixed, I think, (it was over a year ago,) but the simple fact that they had one that they had to fix seems to imply that for AMD chips to have such a vulnerability, bug, or flaw, is not impossible. Has Intel lately had MORE of them?
Seems like. Has AMD had NONE?
Nope
If you are going to knock AMD, I'd suggest the original "Ryzen can't run Linux" bug (this is slashdot ;) ). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
I personally experienced this bug on a Ryzen 7 1700. AMD did replace my processor under warranty. However, the replacement now has an opposite bug. Unlike the previous one that could not run at full throttle without crashing, I can't leave C6 state enabled on the new CPU or the Linux OS will reboot at random. So now low power does not function. Unfortunately th
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Ryzen has been the rational choice for a while, Meltdown has nothing to do with it, and nothing to do with anything a consumer should be concerned about.
$ / performance on the other hand, that's something consumers typically look at.
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Actually, Meltdown _can_ be practically exploited, unlike Spectre (which needs all sorts of unreasonable conditions to do... nothing unless you know location of stuff in memory).
But you sound like your mind has been already set that meltdown is not an issue anymore. Luckily, you do use Ryzen, so it doesn't matter.
One might even say... (Score:4, Funny)
Intel is having a Meltdown. ;)
Fraidy cat (Score:2)
They are obviously running scared.
Re: Intel = Vulnerable Inside (Score:1)
So, all you use your 'rig' for is gaming, then?