Samsung Is Working On 'Perfect Full-Screen' Devices With Selfie Cameras Under the Display (theverge.com) 89
According to a report from Yonhap News Agency, Samsung's vice president of its display R&D group, Yang Byung-duk, said the company is working on making the entire front of its phones a screen, with no need for bezels or a camera cutout of any kind. He said that "though it wouldn't be possible to make (a full-screen smartphone) in the next 1-2 years, the technology can move forward to the point where the camera hole will be invisible, while not affecting the camera's function in any way." The Verge reports: The comments come less than a month after Samsung announced its latest flagship, the Galaxy S10, which is the company's first phone to have a "hole-punch" cut out from its display for the selfie camera. Yang called the S10's Infinity-O display a "milestone" for the company, but suggested that Samsung eventually plans to place the selfie camera under the display itself, removing the need for any cut out or pop-up mechanism.
I know it is just me but (Score:3, Insightful)
But then it is not my thing so I guess that explains it somewhat.
Just my 2 cents
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Re: I know it is just me but (Score:2)
Sorry to be stepping on your lawn, but there is nothing wrong with being in the picture now and then. There are also situations where it's impossible to both have the phone at the right angle for a shot and to see the screen to frame it correctly.
You mock what you do not understand.
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I find the whole selfie thing to be just odd. How can individuals be that consumed with themselves.
I find it odd and somewhat weird/baffling. It's like suddenly there's a whole fucking generation of narcissists who are obsessed with taking pics of themselves and their food and every goddamn thing their dog or cat does.
Yes, we took pictures of ourselves with our old-fogey cameras, but we didn't take 50 of them every day. It just seems shallow to me.
Do they think that future generations will pore over these old pics and study them for clues as to how we lived? Well, they won't- they'll be too busy taking h
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Here is how that works. The problem is you not them, I like you take very few photos, just not in the habit because I like you adapted to an age of film and developing costs and you simply did not snap off photos for no reason. Now well there on you phone, snap away and even video, as you see fit when ever you see fit, not because the moment is special but because it might be and take a snap or video and so what, no cost and delete if you do not like it, hence they takes lots and lots of photos because it '
Re: I know it is just me but (Score:2)
How can individuals be that consumed with themselves.
Easy; they're not: they're fixated on [what they believe] other people to be thinking.
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It has practical importance for video chat.
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I find the whole selfie thing to be just odd. How can individuals be that consumed with themselves.
I know right. I mean it's not like family albums existed before the mobile phone and that they were full of pictures of the camera owner right?
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Ah, yes. The good old shutter timer scramble. Inevitably, there were two options:
1. The timer is too short: Press the button and run to get in the shot before it goes off. Hope you don't accidentally bump the camera.
2. The timer is too long: Press the button and calmly get in the shot. Wait the remaining 60-90 seconds, smiling awkwardly because you don't know *exactly* when the likely capacitor-based timer is going to fire.
Of course, this was the situation in point-and-shoots. Then, as now, a good SLR would
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(Possibly wired.)
pffft. Millennial. Back in my day they were literal mechanical plungers threaded through a stainless steel braid. ;-)
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Oh, I remember those. My family never had nice cameras, though. If a camera had something like that, it was inevitably a "no, that's not a toy, don't touch that" item.
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It's hardly new, cameras have had selfie timers almost since the invention of the compact.
As someone who occasionally takes a group selfie I much prefer capturing a memory of that event myself than handing my phone over to someone else or mounting it somewhere and using a timer.
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They're not taking pictures of themselves FOR themselves, they're taking pictures of themselves for OTHER PEOPLE.
It's not that they're self absorbed, they're trying to share themselves and their lives with their friends. It's just a different kind of socalizing, and it can be done at great distances, asynchronously, with zero cost. They may as well take 5 or 10 to get the shot they want, because why not send a great picture of yourself to your friends, whether you're at home or traveling?
It's just a generat
Better from factors with less perfect screens want (Score:2)
I think there's use cases for these devices but in terms of market share I think a device with the form factor we have now but with the ability to simulate a large scree would be more welcome. You are sacrificing a lot to get folded screens like for example some protection of the plastic and thickness.
Instead consider alternatives like a second screen that is an attachment that could fold up compactly, be a second battery, maybe host additional features or compute power, and most importantly be replaceable
Re:In the end (Score:4, Interesting)
Some people do videoconferencing for actual work.
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Re: In the end (Score:2)
You cannot think of a use, therefore there is no use. Classic.
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This new front facing camera that is cleverly concealed behind the screen will be a huge advancement in this area.
Consider the potential applications.
Home big screen TVs with no obvious camera -- but act as government "Telescreens" for big brother.
Your employer can now watch you through your display monitor -- with no obvious camera present!
Any device with a display can be a camera. A thermostat. A digit
Apple has two patents on hidden cameras (Score:2)
I've posted both patent numbers here before, I'm afraid I'm too lazy to do it again.
One is for a camera whose light-sensing elements are distributed throughout the display, hidden in between the pixels.
The other patent is for a camera in the middle of the display, peeking out from just between four pixels.
no, fuck you (Score:1)
Why in the flying god damn fuck would I want a motherfucking phone with zero ability to hold it without triggering input? Who are the drooling retards who think the worst aspects of their devices are their biggest selling points? Jesus Christ, shoot these stupid fucks already, I'm so sick of this shit.
Re: no, fuck you (Score:2)
You're right - if you have zero ability to hold a phone properly then I don't know why you would want one.
Might want to work on that.
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It's easy enough for the phone to ignore touch input from a band where the bezel used to be.
Re: no, fuck you (Score:2)
Smart phones and tablets (Score:2)
I am keeping my old phone HTC G1 (I don't use apps much/anymore) just because it has a tiny keyboard for texts.
Just my 2 cents
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The Fxtec Pro1 sounds like what you want. It's a bit expensive, though.
Re: Smart phones and tablets (Score:2)
If you don't mind being stuck with Android, BlackBerry makes devices for you and the other five people who like physical keyboards.
Solved decades ago (Score:2)
The on screen keyboards just suck (for anything useful)! Solve that problem!
It has been [usermanual.wiki] solved [youtube.com] litteraly decades ago using after-market accessories. (The first Palm devices were planned to have pluggable after-market keyboards).
I'm still having the original one paired with my current smartphone.
Nowadays you can find either bluetooth or wired USB accessories. (Of various size, from the "fits in the flap of the phone's cover" all the way to "unfolds/unrolls into a full-blown desktop keyboard")
Manufacturer such as BlackBerry [blackberrymobile.in], F(x) Tec [fxtec.com], Planet Computers [squarespace.com], etc. also produce smartphone/PD
Telescreens (Score:5, Insightful)
A camera hidden behind the screen? Will they call it the Samsung Telescreen?
You can't even put tape over it. Do not want.
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Seriously? Moving the camera underneath the screen is what's finally tripping the '1984' alarm in your head? None of the aggressive surveillance, gps tracking, always-on microphones, facial recognition, ministry-of-truthing the internet to push political agendas, and literal thought control [forbes.com] all facilitated by smartphone-catalyzed social media addiction bothered you?
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Why can't you put tape over it? Having trouble following your rant.
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You'd be putting tape over part of the screen, occluding whatever's displayed there (and preventing you from touching whatever is there.)
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When there's a hole there instead of screen, or a notch, then you also don't have anything displayed there. You're not making sense.
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You can't even put tape over it. Do not want.
I know. I shudder to think of the FBI staring at a blurry picture of my pocket lint.
Note I bet you a marsbar you don't have tape over the top of your mobile phone now and that you're just expressing fake internet rage.
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My phone's camera is normally pointed at the ceiling with me far out of its FOV. A horizontally-facing camera (particularly in my bedroom) is more concerning, particularly if the camera is inconspicuous.
here's an idea (Score:3)
Hey Samsung, you can have this one for free: Instead of expensively hiding a shite camera behind the screen, add a small second screen on the rear of the device so fuckwits taking selfies can use the main camera and still see their own idiotic fuckheaded visage.
Dear US Patent Office: This idea is mine, now fucking deny any patents on it because whichever cunt is trying to register is a lying shit if they both say they thought of this and pretend it's innovative.
Everybody else: You don't have to buy a Samsung phone if it doesn't meet your needs, including any that implement my suggestion above.
Me: Keep searching for a phone that skips the whole selfie shit, lets me hold it without inadvertent function and fits in my fucking pocket.
Re:An Obscure Chinese Company (Score:2)
Re:here's an idea (Score:5, Insightful)
>"Me: Keep searching for a phone that skips the whole selfie shit, lets me hold it without inadvertent function and fits in my fucking pocket."
Exactly. How exactly do you hold and use a "full screen" display with touchscreen everywhere? And, I guess we are "strange" because, like you, I don't want a huge phone. I don't want it to be razor thin either (making it fragile and EVEN MORE difficult to hold). I would much rather have a thicker phone with better battery life, easy to hold, and a smaller (~5") phone that is easy to carry and store.
Using a Moto G5+ right now and it seems to fit the bill pretty well. A tad bit larger than necessary, but at least reasonable. Plus it was unlocked, fast, reasonably "stock", SD card, real headset jack, and $190 new.
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How exactly do you hold and use a "full screen" display with touchscreen everywhere?
The phone just ignores a band of touch input where the bezel used to be.
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>"The phone just ignores a band of touch input where the bezel used to be."
Does that work well or cause occasions of false positives and false negatives?
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What is ambiguous about "ignore"?
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Exactly. How exactly do you hold and use a "full screen" display with touchscreen everywhere?
Palm detection and erroneous touch detection has been a thing for several years now. Or did you miss the "Edge" displays from Samsung which you could hold just fine without it triggering the touch sensors on the edge of the screen?
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It's been done. Meizu Pro 7.
Re: here's an idea (Score:1)
Itâ(TM)s called an iphone se
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Hey Samsung, you can have this one for free: Instead of expensively hiding a shite camera behind the screen, add a small second screen on the rear of the device
The Motorola RAZR (the old flip phone, not the Android phone of the same name) had this. You'd close the flip and the small external screen became a selfie monitor.
No one really used that feature at the time, because sharing selfies on social media wasn't a thing yet.
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add a small second screen on the rear of the device
No. GOD NO. The last thing I need is more fragile crap on a device. Leave the back of the phone made of something nice and durable that can happily get scratched to shit or covered with a thick case thanks.
What a horrible idea.
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This phone already exists, it's called the Nubia X. Full front screen, and a secondary rear screen with camera above it.
Kinda sucks because the rear screen means it's difficult to put a decent case on and you can't have wireless charging. And of course there are two screens to crack now.
Dept of Nothing to See Here (Score:1)
Just another vector for spying and invasion of privacy. In order to use the device you must be subject to being recorded by it. A camera or microphone that you cannot block or disable should be illegal. This is a way around people putting tape over cameras and microphones.
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You can still put tape over the camera if you need to do that, not sure what you're going on about.
J3 Is a great (Score:2)
Hurrah! No more "off" eyes (Score:2)
When I'm video-chatting with someone, it's disconcerting that we don't make eye contact. Their eyes are always looking above my face or at my ear -- because on their device they're looking at the screen rather than the camera.
When I take selfies with my young kids, again the photos always have them looking slightly off-center, because their eyes are naturally drawn to the screen rather than the camera.
It will make for better photography and video-chats if Samsung can pull this off.
(I read about previous att
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LG have demonstrated a semi-transparent OLED display. It's not as good as a normal one and doesn't pass all the light through. Given Samsung always have the best screens on their high end phones I can't see them using that option.
I wonder if they might fold the display somehow. Like roll it up at the edge a little, enough for the camera to be exposed.
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If Samsung could make only part of the display transparent that would be perfectly sufficient even if it's not as good as the normal display. Basically you'd have a small circle the size of the camera lens that is slightly less contract than the rest of the screen - it might be noticeable under some conditions, but not nearly as bad as a hole cut into the screen.
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I was thinking that they could make it so that the status bar area was transparent. "Full screen" photo display would just not use that area. Most of the time it's black with simple icons anyway, so you wouldn't notice the reduced quality compared to the main app viewing area.
Ahhhhhh No (Score:1)
If you can't see the camera hole (Score:2)
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It's easy - look for the idiot on the display, and you'll have it nailed!