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You Can Now Run Windows 10 on the Raspberry Pi 3 (tomshardware.com) 175

Posted by msmash from the for-what-it-is-worth dept.
Raspberry Pi is finally ready for the full Windows 10 experience. From a report: A new installer lets you put Windows 10 on Arm, including the Pi. And it's made by the same people who got Windows 10 on Arm onto Lumia 950 and 950 XL handset. You can find the Github page here, in which developer Jose Manuel Nieto Sanchez call the tool "super easy to use" and "no-hassle." It requires a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B or B+, a microSD card (he recommends an A1 rating) and a Windows 10ARM64 image, which is linked to from the page where you get the download instructions.
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  • The only reason to run Windows is to use the Office Suite for compatibility with the modern bussiness world and much of the academic world. Thems the standards regardless of preferences or your personally proven experience with working outside the MSOffice-industrial-complex.

    So if the raspi doesn't run Office what's the point of running windows?

    You now are running a machine intended for being either a task specific embedded machine or as a light weight computer. Running windows on it instead of linux or s

    • Re:Then you have two problems (Score:4, Interesting)

      by Actually, I do RTFA ( 1058596 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @12:43PM (#58116462)

      Windows also runs a lot of software that is Windows/Mac only. Visual Studio, Adobe products, Autodesk products. Then there are games (and game dev toolkits). There are also numerous internal apps.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        But not on the Pi?

      • Re:Then you have two problems (Score:5, Informative)

        by Joce640k ( 829181 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:34PM (#58116796) Homepage

        Windows also runs a lot of software that is Windows/Mac only. Visual Studio, Adobe products, Autodesk products. Then there are games (and game dev toolkits). There are also numerous internal apps.

        True, but hardly any of that is compiled for ARM processors.

        Yes, it might run under an x86 emulator, but would you really want to? It's already going to be incredibly slow because it runs off an SD card, adding emulation as an extra layer would be borderline masochistic.

        This might be useful if you want a familiar Windows user interface while surfing the web but not much more.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Yes but but only a tiny percentage of those things have ARM builds.

        So you are not running it; at least not with usable performance on a rPi.

      • Windows ARM is not great. It doesn't even have chrome.

    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Dan East ( 318230 )

      The only reason to run Windows is to use the Office Suite for compatibility

      Wow, there is one, and only one, reason to run Windows, the most widely used desktop OS in the world. That's quite a mind blowing revelation there. I bet you did a lot of research to come to that conclusion.

      And less sarcastically... what about the average joe who would just like to use the OS environment they are already familiar with? That alone is a valid reason to run Windows 10.

      • Re:Then you have two problems (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Locutus ( 9039 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @12:56PM (#58116580)
        That pathetic excuse to keep Windows around has been around for decades and is false. The iPhone proved that wrong and so has Android. Not to mention, Microsoft has constantly forced massive GUI changes on it's users which has constantly required them to learn a new UI. So even Windows users can learn new user interfaces.

        Time for another reason why anyone would want Microsoft Windows on a useful Raspberry Pi. Please note the word "useful".

        LoB

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by Dan East ( 318230 )

          That pathetic excuse to keep Windows around has been around for decades and is false.

          iOS replaced Windows? You run iOS on your laptop and desktop computers?

          • Re:Then you have two problems (Score:4, Insightful)

            by rnturn ( 11092 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:18PM (#58116706)

            Oy! I don't think you understood the point of that statement.

            I never heard anybody bitch about their iPhone not looking like Windows. Nor have I heard bitching that Android didn't look like Windows. In both cases, users learned those not-Windows interfaces.

          • No but the kids at the school I work at can sit in front of any OS and use it because they're used to android, ios, windows, chromeos. The OS they use 90% of the time is ChromeOS. So they are OS agnostic. So the OS doesn't really matter. Just show them how to get to a web browser.

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by ogdenk ( 712300 )

              Now ask those kids to add only the pdf and doc files from a certain directory to a zip archive and e-mail them to you after putting a copy on the local fileserver. Wake me up when it takes them less than half an hour.

              I am OS agnostic, I work with anything from embedded systems through ATARI BASIC through modern Linux, Windows and OSX desktops. Only difference is I actually had to learn something and can use the tools in front of me with stunning efficiency. None of the poke-and-drool tools you speak of a

              • The only reason that they can't do those things is they have no need to. They share documents with each other (and their teachers) all the time, via Google Docs and Google Drive. Not only could I not do that at age 9, no one in the entire world could. If I can now do something that wasn't invented yet when I was that age, then I have high hopes that my kids will be able to do the same.

        • Yes because the GUI changed with windows XP and with windows 10. That's massive.

        • Re: (Score:1, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          The biggest problem is that linux on the desktop is a dreadful experience. I run Linux/Mac/Windows on a daily basis and I am always amazed at how bad the linux experience is.

          • I guess it takes all kinds. I run Linux Mint Cinnamon as my main desktop, and am amazed at how ungodly ugly Win10 is by comparison. I would put my work Mac as slightly ahead of Cinnamon.

            • I run Linux Mint Cinnamon as my main desktop, and am amazed at how ungodly ugly Win10 is by comparison.

              I run Kubuntu as my main desktop, and I totally agree with you about how absurdly ugly and unusable all versions of Windows are by comparison.

        • The iPhone proved that wrong and so has Android

          They did nothing of the sort. They only showed that people will do different activities on different devices in different ways. The only people thinking iOS has displaced the PC for PC related activities (other than e.g. Newspaper or Gameboy activities) are the brain damaged diversity hires running Apple's marketing department who genuinely seem to not know what a computer is.

          I bet you none of them created that advert on the iPad.

          • Re: (Score:2)

            by Locutus ( 9039 )
            The comment was about the false belief getting peddled which says that people need to have a familiar user interface(UI)(Microsoft Windows) and having a familiar UI is a benefit. Yes, it took a different hardware platform before people figured that out and some of that had to do with the fact that Microsoft couldn't use its marketing channels to block people from access to that platform(Apple iPhone) like they've done for decades with PC based devices.

            LoB

      • The capabilities of Average Joes... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:05PM (#58116636) Homepage

        And less sarcastically... what about the average joe who would just like to use the OS environment they are already familiar with? That alone is a valid reason to run Windows 10.

        How many "average joes" do you know that can properly configure an SD card with an OS to run on a RasPI?

        • How many "average joes" do you know that can properly configure an SD card with an OS to run on a RasPI?

          Download a program, download a binary, open program select the only option in the program to open the binary file and click write? All with the aid of well written instructions?

          I'm going to go with ALL of the average joes.

      • The average Joe isn't going to be installing an OS on a Raspberry PI. They're going to be buying a POS PC / laptop from wal-mart or best buy.
        • I couldn't help but laugh while reading this comment. It's so true. WTF is an average joe standard-fare windows user even using a raspberry pi for? It's a single-board computer designed to get people (especially kids) interested in computers. It's meant to encourage experimentation and exploration of technology. And...well....Windows isn't really compatible with that ethos. Microsoft is corporate behemoth that creates a proprietary closed-sourced software hindered by all sorts of crazy licenses for the sol

    • Compared to Linux (xwindows) making GUI applications with .NET and Visual Studio is a lot easier. I have seen projects with the Raspberry pi such as smart mirrors or low end kiosks. Which being able to make GUI applications, or that hook up to Microsoft type services such as Active Directory or even SQL server. Just that much easier to accomplish.

      Having said that, doing this in Linux isn't too much more difficult, but if you are primarily a Microsoft Developer, thinking Linux Like is a learning curve you ma

      • Re:One Key advantage (Score:5, Funny)

        by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:17PM (#58116700)

        I have seen projects with the Raspberry pi such as smart mirrors or low end kiosks.

        This will be the only smart mirror that spends most of its time showing a popup like this:

        Heads up - We're working hard to make your Raspberry Pi even better! We need to restart now and show you spinning dots while we install the latest updates and "telemetry". This could take a few hours or days.

        Lose all work and restart now? [ OK ] [ Yes ] [ Confirm ].

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by DarkOx ( 621550 )

        Compared to Linux (xwindows) making GUI applications with .NET and Visual Studio is a lot easier. I have seen projects with the Raspberry pi such as smart mirrors or low end kiosks. Which being able to make GUI applications, or that hook up to Microsoft type services such as Active Directory or even SQL server.

        I don't buy it. I can't think of single good reason not use a restricted browser to deliver a web application to a kiosk. Either you are doing something complex enough to require sitting down or its probably just CRUD. If its just CURD a web browser is good enough. That might as well be chromium or firefox and that might as well be on a hardended kiosk distro.

        Than you build you application in whatever you like. That can be .Net and SQLServer; authored in Visual Studio. Then you can run it all on Wind

      • Compared to Linux (xwindows) making GUI applications with .NET and Visual Studio is a lot easier.

        That's quite the false comparison you chose. A more appropriate comparison is making user interfaces with Dot Net vs. Java, and I find the latter to be FAR more productive and easy to use than the former. With Dot Net, I'm locked into a prison with horny, masochistic, ass-hungry guards.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Bert64 ( 520050 )

        If you're primarily a linux developer, then doing it on linux is easier. It's about familiarity rather than any one platform being easier.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

        Qt is pretty easy to use. And when you're done you've got a GUI app that runs on anything.

        I realize .net technically might run on OS X and Linux as well, but it's a PITA to actually get working, and when you do it's fugly.

    • The only reason to run Windows is to use the Office Suite for compatibility with the modern bussiness world and much of the academic world.

      Well, that and the chicks... chick dig people who run Winders!

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Sarten-X ( 1102295 )

      Well, there you have it. That's the most insightful first comment I've seen on Slashdot in a very long time.

      You're absolutely right. Outside of "legacy support" (including supporting legacy workflows and legacy users who don't want to learn a new interface), the only real reasons to run Windows are for application and data compatibility. Previously, I'd have included Active Directory as a vital Windows-only service, but Samba is capable enough now to be a viable alternative.

      Application compatibility is alre

      • What is the Linux equivalent of Aderant? How about Metastorm? BigHand? Never heard of them? There are hundreds if not thousands of other industry-specific Windows-only applications you've never heard of, not to mention tons of in-house apps that would cost a fortune to rewrite. Those are what are keeping Windows around. Solve that problem and Windows will start to disappear.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Bert64 ( 520050 )

          The fact they are industry specific and most people have never heard of them proves they are niche applications applicable to only a tiny subset of employees at a tiny subset of businesses. There are also various niche programs which only run on linux, or solaris, or macos etc. You simply deal with these niche users separately, as they often have other requirements too.

          Most inhouse apps these days are browser based and more are moving this way, the client used is irrelevant. Very few companies are developin

          • They're all specific to legal firms which is not a small area. The Windows ecosystem is full of such "niche" apps which is why it isn't going anywhere for the time being. Unless you think organisations are desperate to hand over money to Microsoft when they don't have to.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ceoyoyo ( 59147 )

          Never heard of them. Do they run well on ARM?

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by ukoda ( 537183 )
          And I bet you none of them will run on a RPI running Windows.

          Interestingly I am finding the number Windows only programs is falling off while Linux only and cross platform programs are on the rise. These days I seem to be running into a lot more Windows users who can't run a Linux program than Linux users who can't run a Windows program. I suspect it has a bit to do with the old excuse that "I don't have time to learn Linux" being replaced with "I can't risk another mess like last time I trusted Window
      • Even on Windows, You can't expect software will work cleanly.

        FTFY

    • >>You Can Now Run Windows 10
      That is so wrong on many levels.
      Nobody should ever have to run W10.

    • The only reason to run Windows is to use the Office Suite for compatibility

      You ignore Visual Studio. This is one of the major reasons *WHY* Windows has been so popular. A fantastic development environment

    • "more of a dare (like scottish cuisine) "
      Somebody has been watching 'So I Married an Axe Murderer"....

  • Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought this was already possible to do?

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Zarquon ( 1778 )

      It's been supported by Win10 IoT for a while. The article is not specific on what is different in this release.

      -R C

    • Yes you could previously install Win 10 ARM on a rpi 3 however you had to do it all manually and it was unable to use all of the cores and there was something with graphics acceleration. This sounds like they just create a simple to use unofficial installer for it. The article doesn't say whether any of the issues where fixed.

      This should not be confused with the Win 10 IoT Core which has been officially available for a long time, this is the Win 10 ARM found on an Asus NavaGo or Lenovo Yoga.

  • One question (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @12:43PM (#58116464)

    Why?

    • I thought the same thing. It wouldn't even be good for typical Windows gaming, since the RasPi computers don't have an x86 CPU. Also the cost of this OS is many times the cost of the hardware it's running on.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Tx ( 96709 )

        If you're any kind of nerd, you ought to be at least a little curious. How well does full desktop Windows run on a Pi? WoA has x86 emulation, by the way, so you can run x86 apps on your Pi with this. I don't expect you'll be playing Crysis on it, but again, curious how well that will work.

        What it's actually good for beyond a technical curiosity, that' remains to be seen.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by DeVilla ( 4563 )

          Not really. I'm used to multi-platform support in kernels and API and cross compilation of systems. It's a scales down system but I've seen those before and simulate them on occasion. Windows supporting more than is only remarkable because Microsoft decided to try (and no-one else has the choice in the case of Windows).

          The binary translator to make windows software work on an Open Pandora is more interesting. And again, it's only interesting because the people involved don't have to source to do a prop

    • Re: (Score:1)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Because.

    • Re:One question (Score:4)

      by jwhyche ( 6192 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:12PM (#58116676) Homepage

      Why?

      That is a the question. We are so consumed with the "can we" that we never stop to ask "should we?"

      This will not end well. I don't mean as in end well a business loosing money. I mean as in cities burning and civilization falling. The old ones being release from their eternal prison and walking among us.

      This Will End in Ashes and Fire!

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by necro81 ( 917438 )

      Why?

      No, no: you need to deliver it with more drama. Like this [youtube.com].

    • Aren't more options a good thing? Personally, I'll probably never do it, but the option to do it is nice in the event you ever find yourself needing to (for some god forsaken reason).

    • Why?

      To install WSL on it of course!

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by dissy ( 172727 )

      Why?

      Payroll tends to be by far the largest expense a company has.

      It is orders of magnitude easier to justify a windows license that gets rolled up into the price of a product than it is to justify hiring developers that know more than .NET or re-train your existing ones.

      I'm not saying the outcome is a good thing, just that is typically what ends up happening in such situations.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by antdude ( 79039 )

      "Why ask why?"

  • I run a Windows 10 VM on my Mac for those few software packages that need it. Most notably Solidworks and some MRP software. Office 365 runs on the Mac just fine.

    So why would I do this on a Pi?

    • I can see a use case for signage or a kiosk terminal where you only need a browser or very specific software like a terminal.
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        • I have never said you can’t use Linux on a Pi for the use case. What I said is that a Pi running Windows 10 can be used for the use case. You are the second person to chime in on that you can use Linux. So what? Someone using Windows 10 on a Pi for this purpose might have a limitation that requires Windows.
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    • You are literally comparing Apples to berries. Of course a VM on a $2000 core i5 with 32gb of ram computer running an Intel processor will "run windows just fine." Because a PI starts at $35, there might be some specific apps you might want to run. Actually the IOT Windows core is nice.

  • "in other news" (Score:4, Funny)

    by Andre Dias ( 3819801 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @12:46PM (#58116492)
    "Raspberry Pi 3 Model B mouse took just a day to move the mouse across the screen on windows 10"

  • But... why? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Now you can put manure in you espresso machine!

  • Does it blend?

  • Does Win10 "Run" on the RasPI or does it Crawl? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mykepredko ( 40154 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @12:58PM (#58116586) Homepage

    My biggest complaint about Win10 is really how slowly it runs on fairly low end machines (which I can load Mint or ChromeOS and they run acceptably). Note that the RasPI 3 runs ChromeOS quite as well.

    So you have Win10 executing on the RasPI, but does respond in anyway that is acceptable? This includes loading and executing apps.

    • I went out and found a VW engine, and swapped it into my corvette. Oooh, the bicyclists and pedestrians "ooh" in envy once we crest the hill and I pass them . . .

      My next project *was* going to be putting Windows on a Pi, but since that's been done, I guess I'll move on to putting Microsoft BASIC 2.0 onto an Arduino . . .

      hawk

    • Windows 10 on a PC is not the same as Windows 10 on ARM. For one you don't need to worry about Windows eating up so much of your RAM that Office won't start ... because Office for ARM doesn't exist.

  • Sure, but why the fuck would you do that!? (Score:1)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Sure, but why the fuck would you do that!?

  • I want OS/2 Warp on a Raspberry PI !!!!!! OS2World.com

  • "You Can Now Run Windows 10 on the Raspberry Pi3" (Score:3)

    by rnturn ( 11092 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:25PM (#58116750)

    But the question is: Why would you want to? Are there ARM versions of all the applications that people you might consider running on their R-Pi? If not, then this is an exercise about as pointless as someone successfully running Word on an iWatch.

  • Oh, yeah, sure, I'll get right on that (Score:3)

    by SIGBUS ( 8236 ) on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @01:52PM (#58116906) Homepage

    The link on the Github page points to rg-adguard.net, under an anonymous Russian registration. Sounds legit!

    Not really. If I were even considering the idea of running Windows on a Pi, I'd rather get it directly from Microsoft.

  • A Raspberry Pi would be so compelling if it had 4GB Ram, and it's ports were 5v, and as durable as an Arduino.
  • The wonder is that it can. Not what it plays.

    As for running W10 on a board with 1GB of memory and a micro-SD card, is there really any point?

    It should also be remembered that the only reason to run any version of Windows is to get access to the applications available. What apps are there for an ARM board running Windows. And what drivers, too?

  • Good to see other OSes as slow on the RPi3+ as well - I thought I was doing something wrong!
  • Now I can run an operating system that drastically impedes productivity on hardware that should never be considered sufficient to run it. Is this just Microsoft trying to out-NetBSD the netBSD folks?

  • Why in all that is holy would you want to pollute a Pi3 with Windows, even worse the tinker toy that is Windows 10?

  • I might run Windows on my laptop and my Desktop and have done since 3.0 but good lord, on a Pi? Why would you do this?

    I'm so very impressed with my Pi and the flavour of linux which comes with it.
    Linux is streamlined and reliable. It's predictable. If you ask it to do something, properly, it will do it, indefinitely.

    The GUI that comes with the Pi is actually not half bad for speed either. Windows just isn't going to work well with that amount of memory.

    At one point I wouldn't dream of anything but Window

  • Cue the predictable tired old rants of slashbots who haven't figured out that it isn't 1997 anymore. They don't get much more penguin-headed than me, and I'm typing this message on a computer running Windows. Guess what, people: WE WON. Linux runs the whole world except for the conventional desktop. Look at it this way: if Microsoft hasn't taken over the rest of the world by now, it's not going to. At the same time, if Linux hasn't captured the conventional desktop by now, it's not going to. In other
  • I applaud whatever work was done to make this happen, but why would you run Win 10 if you have any choice ? I've a work machine with 7 and it's fine. I have one 10 machine, which confirms my mac bias for normal use.....

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