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Lenovo And Dell Seeing PC Growth in US, But CPU Shortage Takes A Toll On Overall Market (crn.com) 65

Lenovo's resurgence in the U.S. PC market continued during the final quarter of 2018 with gains in both shipments and market share, while Dell also saw growth in the fourth quarter in spite of supply chain and market challenges, according to research firm Gartner. From a report: It marked the third quarter in a row that Lenovo enjoyed strong growth in the U.S. PC market, solidifying the company's position as the No. 3 player in the market ahead of Apple and Microsoft--but still trailing well behind HP and Dell. However, overall PC shipments in the U.S. slid 4.5 percent during the fourth quarter compared to the same period a year earlier, Gartner reported. In a news release, Gartner analyst Mikako Kitagawa blamed the decline in part on market uncertainties -- given that the quarter is "typically a buying season" for businesses looking to use up budget money by the end of the year.
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Lenovo And Dell Seeing PC Growth in US, But CPU Shortage Takes A Toll On Overall Market

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  • I haven't seen a lot of discussion about when an I7-8700 is faster than the new I7. Whereas threadrippers are going in the opposite direction.

  • Intel is up shit creek good thing they locked apple into no AMD.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Friday January 11, 2019 @12:02PM (#57944186)
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    • Last time I looked, AMD was responsible for around 20% of total CPU shipments. Even if they aren't suffering from any supply-chain problems, even gaining 1% of the market would require that they increase production by 5%, getting a majority of the market would require that they increase their production by 150%. That's not normally very easy.
      • Last time I looked, AMD was responsible for around 20% of total CPU shipments.

        ...and it cannot be allowed to grow beyond that like last time, because when that happened Intel had to do things to brazenly that they get convicted multiple times of anti-competitive anti-trust monopolistic practices, repeatedly.

      • The more they shift to TSMC the easier it gets.

    • Many of Dell's laptops are using AMD Ryzen processors, and they're also using Threadripper processors in some high-end Alienware desktops.
    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      There's a lot more than gaming computers. Many, many businesses run on Intel and will not move away from it until AMD can implement the same instruction set. Yes AMD has a mostly compatible instruction set, but that doesn't mean everything about it is exactly the same, AMD is pretty opinionated when it comes to how to implement some things "better".

      Way back when, IBM built a drop-in compatible 80486DX33 chip as well, but it wouldn't run WfW 3.11. AMD won't run with certain virtualization platforms, I don't

    • the likelyhood anyone at Lenovo or Dell has the muscle to steer the ship away from Intel is pretty slim

      Not only is it likely, but it already [lenovo.com] happened. [bestbuy.com] AMD PC products are in the channel but we haven't seen them in bestseller lists yet, that's the next milestone.

  • The quarter is "typically a buying season" for businesses looking to use up budget money by the end of the year.

    The first time I heard about this, I tought it was a completely idiotic way to manage money that can only insure ALL the fucking money will be spent.

    Seriously, who came up with that "solution" to managing funds in a company? This sounds like something first-graders would come up with.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      "But if you don't spend the budget, your budget gets reduced next year."

    • by Anonymous Coward

      As another poster points out, if you don't spend the money, it will generally get reallocated the next budget year.

      The idea is that if you managed to go without spending what you were allocated, then you didn't REALLY need that much, so if you made do with less once, you can do so again.

      A similar thing happens with employee/position vacancies too. Around here we try to fill an open position ASAP, even if you eventually end up filling it with someone who is nearly useless. The idea is that once you've gone

      • by Junta ( 36770 )

        Add to that that 'dead weight' is often used as buffer in the event of layoffs.

        Big businesses are highly dysfunctional, lots of wasteful spending and hiring to counteract braindead executive behaviors.

    • I have never heard of a private business that "burns up" unspent money. Anyone caught doing that would jeopardize their job.

      But it is a common practice for government departments, where it is much harder to fire anyone, and there is much less concern about saving money because managers are judged by the size of their budget (what they consume) rather than what they produce.

      • I've seen it in a bunch of companies. Not at a company-wide level, but if your division doesn't spend its budget this quarter then next year it will get a smaller one, so you have a strong incentive to spend it all. What companies have you worked for where not spending your budget in one quarter gives you more the next quarter?
        • What companies have you worked for where not spending your budget in one quarter gives you more the next quarter?

          Profitable companies.

  • Not with stupid keyboard and layouts where you accidentally keep pressing page up/down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com] – and not artificially throttling AMD Ryzen to make the Intel models look better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
    • by Junta ( 36770 )

      I don't think they are crippling the Ryzen for Intel, they do the same thing to Intel processors a lot: impose a lower TDP envelope than you'll see on the spec sheet to try to deliver 'good enough' in a slimmer-than-needed form factor.

      • Intel is twice convicted of paying other companies to not use AMD parts. It is by no means a stretch that they would also consider paying companies to cripple AMD performance, especially since Intel was also convicted of crippling AMD performance in their compiler and paying benchmarkers to cripple AMD in results.
      • The 12nm Ryzen APUs with better power efficiency will do a lot to boost AMD on laptop. These are just starting to land in retail this quarter. Then 7nm APUs towards the end of the year will open up a power efficiency gap that Intel can't answer as yet.

    • Not with stupid keyboard and layouts where you accidentally keep pressing page up/down: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      Hey, at least it has dedicated PgUp/Dn keys which is a luxury these days ;) A lot of laptop keyboards only have Home/End/PgUp/Dn accessible via Fn on the arrow keys, and I've seen these since the early 2000s. I agree that laptop keyboards in general are crap [iki.fi], though. Thinkpads were nice until 2013 or so.

  • just a shortage of Intel CPUs...

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