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Intel Mum On When Entry-Level CPU, IoT Supply Will Improve (crn.com) 52

Posted by msmash from the where-things-are dept.
Intel is staying quiet on when the company expects its shortage of entry-level CPUs to end as it prioritizes production of Core and Xeon processors to meet growing demand in the PC and server markets. From a report: The Santa Clara, Calif.-based company provided more details on its plan to improve processor supply in its third-quarter earnings call on Thursday, when the company reported a continuing resurgence in its PC business and strong continued growth in its data-centric businesses. When an analyst asked Intel interim CEO Bob Swan when he expected the supply constraints to be over, Swan did not provide a timeline in his response. But he answered other parts of the analyst's questions about the company's efforts to improve supply. "We were caught off guard a little bit this year by the explosive growth well ahead of what our expectations were back at the beginning of the year, and that growth came from all different segments of the business," he said. "It put us in the unfortunate situation of constraining some of the demand signals that we were seeing from the market and our customer base."
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    • when my favourite brand of potato chip is gone i just reach for some other brand.

      What if switching to a different brand of potato chips required switching out your living room chair and TV? The last motherboard I had that could take processors from different manufactuers was a Socket 7 from the 1990's.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by kiviQr ( 3443687 )
        When was the last time you upgraded CPU without motherboard? It does not make sense, you get way more benefits from new features form MB thank from CPU.

        • Exactly. If you don't swap CPU's within a couple of years there's not much point keeping the mobo. Given how overpowered most CPU's are for typical game and productivity, I struggle to figure out why someone would do that. By the time most people start wanting a new computer these days the CPU/mobo are very long in the tooth.

        • On most of my motherboards, I've done multiple CPU upgrades. Either for speed (Socket 7/A/940) or core counts (AM2/3). The one exception was the Pentium 2 with the Slot 1 connector, which had a dead end upgrade path and I later sold to a friend to fund my next upgrade.

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by Targon ( 17348 )

          Intel generally tries to force people to buy a new motherboard for every CPU upgrade, but AMD goes with sockets, and tends to allow people to upgrade the CPU on the same motherboard. Since Socket AM2, AMD has made it easy to use the same motherboard when possible. Yes, they do release a + version, generally for additional power delivery for newer chips(so AM2 to AM2+). If the type of memory changes, such as the shift from DDR2 to DDR3 memory, then a new socket was needed as well(though the Phenom 945

      • The last motherboard I had that could take processors from different manufactuers was a Socket 7 from the 1990's.

        Anyone likely to upgrade their CPU probably has quite an old one. In which case they are also likely to want to upgrade RAM, better chipset, and other accessories (USB-C?), NVMe, etc.

        Seriously I upgraded my CPU once without a motherboard change and considered it an incredible oddity and only did it because a friend was selling a quad core chip of the same generation as my dual core for cheap. I don't know anyone whose changed CPUs without changing motherboard other than a friend who was reviewing hardware a

    • They already switch to ARM for IoT, Intel is really a tiny player in that market.

  • Calling AMD CPUs Entry-Level in general would be insulting, but they certainly have some decent offerings at low price points. Especially the APUs.
    The AMD Ryzen 3 2200G can compete on CPU performance with the Pentium Gold and offers better graphics performance, replacing a low end graphics card.
    Adding up all components for similarly capable systems, the AMD wins in price, even if it is a little more expensive by itself.

    • Can't put an AMD into an Intel-designed motherboard, and vice versa. Pins are different.

      AMD also tends to want HT, as well.

      • Especially in the low end market, most people buy CPU and board together and keep the combination for quite a while.
        By the time thy want a new system, the whole platform tends to be obsolete and it makes more sense to replace CPU, board and perhaps the RAM together.

  • the AMD does a lot better in terms of video with the usual caveats that Intel is good enough for 2D nowadays (assuming you're only driving 1 4k display or 2 1080p ones) and AMD is nice and all but their drivers kinda stink if you're playing old games (which, lets face it, you probably are if you're using integrated graphics).

    If they're "mum" on the entry level it's because they've got that base covered. The only thing they could do there is screw up and have their entry level start competing with their

    • I'm playing older games on an older AMD system. Can't complain.
      BTW, the percentage of new games that actually work well with weak graphics is not so bad anymore. There is the whole e-sports genre and some MMOs. Personally, I have discovered Crossout a while ago. Works well even on an old Radeon HD 6670 with 1GB VRAM.

  • AMD: Don't worry we can supply all the entry level CPUs the market can buy...take your time.
    Intel: Uh....thanks.

  • TSMC Ahead (Score:3)

    by MrL0G1C ( 867445 ) on Friday October 26, 2018 @01:06PM (#57540783) Journal

    It sounds like TSMC is leaving everyone else in their dust which is great for AMD. Downside is that these factories cost so much that the barrier to entry to new players is extremely high to the point even intel are scared of building new fabs by the sounds of it. AFAIK / not an expert.

  • I sure hope things improve.

  • Laptops and all All in Ones are the best selling computers nowadays. They are also the fastest growing (or the slowest shrinking) segments of end user iX86-AMD64 computing. For a Tower, Desktop or NUC, things are so standard, that just geting a premade mobo from the ussual suspects and slapping in in a case is enough. Even the OEMs that design their own computers, like HP or lenovo, are known to use mobos from third parties, like MSI in a pinch, if needed be. So, for Towers/Desktops/NUCs, a switch to AMD is

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Targon ( 17348 )

      Actually, it was October of 2017 when the 2200U, 2500U, and 2700U were released. The Pro versions are the ones that came out in May.

      • Actually, it was October of 2017 when the 2200U, 2500U, and 2700U were released. The Pro versions are the ones that came out in May.

        Correct! Thanks for the correction. I was thinking of APUs with Vega parts for laptops, and got all confused with old APUs for laptops, and new APUs for low end desktops. That's what happens when one quotes from memory. Your dates are the correct ones.

        But the rationale still stands. It takes 18 months to design a cellphone. Suposing that a laptop or all-in-one is easier because there is more space, and no RF cell modem, it would take something like a year to desing, produce and put in the stores a laptop or

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