Intel Mum On When Entry-Level CPU, IoT Supply Will Improve (crn.com) 52
Intel is staying quiet on when the company expects its shortage of entry-level CPUs to end as it prioritizes production of Core and Xeon processors to meet growing demand in the PC and server markets. From a report: The Santa Clara, Calif.-based company provided more details on its plan to improve processor supply in its third-quarter earnings call on Thursday, when the company reported a continuing resurgence in its PC business and strong continued growth in its data-centric businesses. When an analyst asked Intel interim CEO Bob Swan when he expected the supply constraints to be over, Swan did not provide a timeline in his response. But he answered other parts of the analyst's questions about the company's efforts to improve supply. "We were caught off guard a little bit this year by the explosive growth well ahead of what our expectations were back at the beginning of the year, and that growth came from all different segments of the business," he said. "It put us in the unfortunate situation of constraining some of the demand signals that we were seeing from the market and our customer base."
Re: Demand exceeds supply? (Score:4, Interesting)
The real problem for Intel is that they anticipated moving several product lines off of 14 nm by this point, but since that hasn't happened they're unable to supply all markets adequately. AMD can't take all that much advantage of the situation as they're selling Ryzen products about as quickly as they can make them as well. The biggest issue for Intel will probably be in the server market as that's where AMD's 7 nm products will launch first and likely have a massive core advantage over Intel parts given AMD's multi-chip module approach when compared to Intel's monolithic die.
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Maybe for a monopoly, but AMD can already service that market and if Intel raises prices more because their pricing guy only took econ 101, they'll see AMD snap up that market share for a lot longer than the shortage persists. That's econ 202, don't go for a short term gain that will cause you long term pain.
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intel can just bully dell / hp / apple to not use AMD.
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They used to do that, but years ago Dell called their bluff and Intel didn't do squat, then HP joined them in building systems with AMD chips. Go look at Dell and HP's product pages today and you'll see a large number of AMD based offerings.
And besides, nowadays Intel needs to keep those two vendors - who together represent 45% of all shipped PCs - happy with Intel or that's a major gift to AMD right when Intel is having yield problems. Grandma buys a laptop for home use, John buys a laptop for college, S
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when my favourite brand of potato chip is gone i just reach for some other brand.
What if switching to a different brand of potato chips required switching out your living room chair and TV? The last motherboard I had that could take processors from different manufactuers was a Socket 7 from the 1990's.
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Exactly. If you don't swap CPU's within a couple of years there's not much point keeping the mobo. Given how overpowered most CPU's are for typical game and productivity, I struggle to figure out why someone would do that. By the time most people start wanting a new computer these days the CPU/mobo are very long in the tooth.
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Intel generally tries to force people to buy a new motherboard for every CPU upgrade, but AMD goes with sockets, and tends to allow people to upgrade the CPU on the same motherboard. Since Socket AM2, AMD has made it easy to use the same motherboard when possible. Yes, they do release a + version, generally for additional power delivery for newer chips(so AM2 to AM2+). If the type of memory changes, such as the shift from DDR2 to DDR3 memory, then a new socket was needed as well(though the Phenom 945
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The last motherboard I had that could take processors from different manufactuers was a Socket 7 from the 1990's.
Anyone likely to upgrade their CPU probably has quite an old one. In which case they are also likely to want to upgrade RAM, better chipset, and other accessories (USB-C?), NVMe, etc.
Seriously I upgraded my CPU once without a motherboard change and considered it an incredible oddity and only did it because a friend was selling a quad core chip of the same generation as my dual core for cheap. I don't know anyone whose changed CPUs without changing motherboard other than a friend who was reviewing hardware a
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They already switch to ARM for IoT, Intel is really a tiny player in that market.
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"Intel Keeping Mum On..." would have least been the correct use of that colloquialism. The single word usage fell out of favour centuries ago.
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Yes, but that's not a widely known fact because, well, mum's the word on that.
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You know, I had just finished my BBC news reading when I popped over here to Slashdot, and indeed my first thought was why do we care what Intel's mother thinks about IoT.
There is always AMD to pick up the slack (Score:1)
Calling AMD CPUs Entry-Level in general would be insulting, but they certainly have some decent offerings at low price points. Especially the APUs.
The AMD Ryzen 3 2200G can compete on CPU performance with the Pentium Gold and offers better graphics performance, replacing a low end graphics card.
Adding up all components for similarly capable systems, the AMD wins in price, even if it is a little more expensive by itself.
Re: There is always AMD to pick up the slack (Score:2)
Can't put an AMD into an Intel-designed motherboard, and vice versa. Pins are different.
AMD also tends to want HT, as well.
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Especially in the low end market, most people buy CPU and board together and keep the combination for quite a while.
By the time thy want a new system, the whole platform tends to be obsolete and it makes more sense to replace CPU, board and perhaps the RAM together.
The G5400 seems pretty solid to me (Score:2)
If they're "mum" on the entry level it's because they've got that base covered. The only thing they could do there is screw up and have their entry level start competing with their
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I'm playing older games on an older AMD system. Can't complain.
BTW, the percentage of new games that actually work well with weak graphics is not so bad anymore. There is the whole e-sports genre and some MMOs. Personally, I have discovered Crossout a while ago. Works well even on an old Radeon HD 6670 with 1GB VRAM.
Amd to Intel (Score:2)
AMD: Don't worry we can supply all the entry level CPUs the market can buy...take your time.
Intel: Uh....thanks.
TSMC Ahead (Score:3)
It sounds like TSMC is leaving everyone else in their dust which is great for AMD. Downside is that these factories cost so much that the barrier to entry to new players is extremely high to the point even intel are scared of building new fabs by the sounds of it. AFAIK / not an expert.
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Yup, why is it 'Mom' in some cases and 'Mum' in this one? #alwaysMum
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Intel Mum wants daycare for Entry Level CPUs (Score:2)
I sure hope things improve.
Laptops and Allin1 - Not so easy to switch to AMD (Score:2)
Laptops and all All in Ones are the best selling computers nowadays. They are also the fastest growing (or the slowest shrinking) segments of end user iX86-AMD64 computing. For a Tower, Desktop or NUC, things are so standard, that just geting a premade mobo from the ussual suspects and slapping in in a case is enough. Even the OEMs that design their own computers, like HP or lenovo, are known to use mobos from third parties, like MSI in a pinch, if needed be. So, for Towers/Desktops/NUCs, a switch to AMD is
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Actually, it was October of 2017 when the 2200U, 2500U, and 2700U were released. The Pro versions are the ones that came out in May.
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Actually, it was October of 2017 when the 2200U, 2500U, and 2700U were released. The Pro versions are the ones that came out in May.
Correct! Thanks for the correction. I was thinking of APUs with Vega parts for laptops, and got all confused with old APUs for laptops, and new APUs for low end desktops. That's what happens when one quotes from memory. Your dates are the correct ones.
But the rationale still stands. It takes 18 months to design a cellphone. Suposing that a laptop or all-in-one is easier because there is more space, and no RF cell modem, it would take something like a year to desing, produce and put in the stores a laptop or
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As for servers, those are also slow to transition from intel to AMD, but that is a very different affaire...
Opteron sold pretty well for a long time, friendo.
Yes, Opteron sold pretty well for a long time. It was in the early 00's. I was there.
It took AMD from the release of the K8 with AMD64 in April 2003 until april 2006 to achieve a quite high market share in servers (22%). So, a full 3 years from introduction to peak.
Yes, intel did some less-than-legal moves to prevent AMD from prospering that they (hopefully) can not do now due to higher scrutiny... But at that time, replacement cycles were faster both on user computers and servers, and in servers, consolida