PC Case Maker CaseLabs Closes Permanently (pcgamer.com) 401
U.S.-based PC case manufacturer, CaseLabs, announced on social media that it is "closing permanently" and will not be able to fill all current orders. "We have been forced into bankruptcy and liquidation," CaseLabs said in a statement. "The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem... We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn't happen." PC Gamer reports: CaseLabs is likely referring to the growing number of tariffs being enforced on Chinese imports by the United States government. China and the US are currently engaged in a trade war, causing many U.S. companies to lose money, lay off employees, or close entirely. CaseLabs went on to say that it won't be able to fill the backlog of case orders, but other parts will most likely ship to customers. "We are so incredibly sorry this is happening. Our user community has been very devoted to us and it's awful to think that we have let any of you down."
Look at all these jobs... (Score:2, Insightful)
... that Trump has made for America!
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:4, Insightful)
... that Trump has made for America!
Look at all these "made in USA" companies going bankrupt the minute taxes are imposed on imports from China!
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Insightful)
American companies that sell overpriced shit deserve to die. Trump's idea of Make American Great Again has nothing to do with what you're saying.
Since you love globalization so much, get ready for the Chinese-made home appliances that have American brand names. Those things are not made in the U.S.A., have high prices, and have typical Chinese quality: shit. GE's appliances, before they got out of the market, were shit probably due to Neutron Jack's idiotic legacy at the company. One look at GE tells you all you need to know about how sustainable the way things were (offshoring everything to China and India, neverending layoffs, massive financial engineering to guarantee massive bonuses for executives who hollowed out the company.) GE is a joke and shareholders (which include many non-GE workers' pensions) and GE employees (not GE executives) have paid the price for it.
The proper way of doing things for American companies is to charge a higher price to reflect the higher costs of living in the U.S. and a living wage to the workers while delivering a good or better product. The Leatherman tools that are made in the U.S.A. are a good example of this (their Chinese-made line is shit) and Sears' Craftsman brand of tools used to be a good example of this, too.
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It's not even an American stamping a logo. I was looking at rodent traps on aliexpress and noticed some stamped "Made in Iowa". I'm in the UK and if I bought these items their connection to the USA would not even be as much as a freight carrier or a delivery man.
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Man, you know how to have fun.
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I don't, but the local rodents do. This is all about to change, thanks to an enterprising Chinese man who knows how to spell Iowa.
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I was looking at rodent traps on aliexpress and noticed some stamped "Made in Iowa".
Well, if you need so many rodent traps that it's worth finding that kind of discount then I take my hat off to you, you have one hell of a rodent problem. Best of luck.
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Interesting)
It's time to admit the truth. I have no rodent problem. No mice, no rats. Some squirrels in the garden but that's fine. Here is the real reason for me looking at rodent traps on aliexpress: my young nieces wanted pets. Their mother, my sister, got them fancy rats. The girls like them but not enough to properly take care of them, clean their living spaces and all the stuff that domesticated animals require.
I do not like rats. I have lived in Bangkok. I do not ever want to be close to another rat, wild or domesticated, cooked and presented on a stick, or live and actively ratty, or anything in between. I am rather keen on helping these unwanted pets on their journey to rat heaven or hell, which are probably indistinguishable to the human eye but may actually closely resemble Bangkok. Or Chennai (less fresh food but the human faeces is that much more accessible). So I casually browsed rodent traps on my favourite shopping site. I didn't buy any yet, but have greatly enjoyed the very explicit and frank illustrations of the products' successes.
Thank you for your interest. Have some cheese.
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That reminds of an ancient Hallmark teaching, about a racist guy with two wolves trapped inside him, one good and one bad.
Don't feed this fantasy. Don't sentence yourself to Hallmark Hell. There are other solutions.
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We don't have Hallmark here in UK. Or wolves. There is no moral or ethical conflict. The rats are in deep shit.
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So far, Trump hasn't restored any jobs save a few steel production jobs. The Make America Great Again will raise prices on every product America produces. That will mean we all get to pay more, and those companies will be at a disadvantage when attempting to compete outside the U.S. So enjoy your Kool-Aid while it lasts, but declaring economic war on more or less the entire world shows just how ignorant Trump and his advisors from Fox are about modern economies.
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Insightful)
No one cares if "assembled in America" jobs are lost.
Except the people who have those jobs.
Fuck 'em.
This is indeed the core of #MAGA.
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The door plate of my Nissan says it was made in the USA by Ford, but the engine and drive train were definitely made in Japan.
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This is really odd.. as trump stated that the other countries would be paying these terrifs and the US woudl be making "a lot of money" as a result of them so the US was in a "no lose" position?
i guess the importer pays them?
the best part so far.. when trump was praising HarleyDavidson one moment as a "Great american company" then slamming them the next over actions they had to take over his own crazy policy.
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i guess the importer pays them?
I believe import tariffs are paid by the party doing the importing. In the US, that extra payment goes directly to the federal government.
From: http://www.chicagotribune.com/... [chicagotribune.com]
"Tariffs are a tax on imports. They're typically charged as a percentage of the transaction price that a buyer pays a foreign seller. Say an American retailer buys 100 garden umbrellas from China for $5 apiece, or $500. The U.S. tariff rate for the umbrellas is 6.5 percent for umbrellas. The retailer would have to pay a $32.50 tarif
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Spot on (Score:2)
Finally, someone has drilled down to the correct answer. The customer / end user / taxpayer always ends up paying when costs increase.
Tariffs increase costs of imports. In our economy, locally produced materials cost more than imports. Either way, end products cost more, and that ends up eroding the wallet of those who ultimately pay the bills.
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Interesting)
To put a finer point on your point, Trump says the tariffs will pay down the U.S. debt. Hmmm....so if taxed $500 Billion of Chinese exports at 25%, we have $125 Billion. The U.S. has a roughly $20 Trillion dollar debt, that'd be $20,000 Billion. So Trump has a way to go...waaayyy...waayyys to go because... ...courtesy of his and the R's tax give away, we will now have $1 Trillion deficit this year and in succeeding years, it only gets worse. And they promised us that the tax give away would pay for itself. Hmmm...Voodoo Economics rises from the Dead, Repeat ye of Little Faith.
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i guess the importer pays them?
The end consumer always pays in the end. Trump is betting that increased prices for US consumers will hurt America less than reduced sales for foreign vendors will hurt their respective countries. I think he is betting wrong. Everyone else is doing free trade deals among themselves and diversifying to reduce their reliance on US markets. That weakening of the importance of the US to global trade will last long after Trump is gone.
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I know, i was referring to their announcment about shifing productioni to EU over the Tarrifs : https://www.cbc.ca/news/busine... [www.cbc.ca]
Was this really Tarrif related, or an excuse? Regardless, it was Funny to watch Trump pitch a "Great american company" with big Harley's on the whitehouse lawn one momemt, then stab them the next.
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Harley Davidson outsourced long before Trump showed up. Plenty of 'Made In Japan' parts, and that's going back over 20 years.
Ah, Millennials. Everything started in 2000 by their quaint concepts of history. Sort of like how on television, all the documentaries are about WWII or later, because there is almost no film prior to the 1930's, and about half the film from the 1930's was shot by toadies of you-know-who (or maybe you don't. Some guy with the initials AH).
Perhaps by "over 20 years" you are referring to such things as the Kehin carburetors and Showa forks found on 1970's Shovelheads?
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Funny)
It is at least 800 this year [cnbc.com], and given that ever manufacturing job creates 3.6 additional jobs [huffingtonpost.com], that would be around 3000+ new jobs from US Steel expansion this year, alone.
You're welcome.
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:4, Interesting)
So, I assume that means that every manufacturing job lost means 3.6 additional jobs lost. So the Carrier and Harley-Davidson plants moving out of the country will more than offset those "3000+" new jobs created by the degenerate president's tariffs. According to your math.
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:4, Informative)
No, because since Harley-Davidson is not a commodity product, but actually a premium product whose sales are based on the brand, it will more closely match Intel, the manufacturer in the cited study. Steel manufacturers don't produce all those extra jobs, it is a much lower number because the products are all fungible with low margins.
So 1000 direct jobs lost manufacturing a brand-driven product would cause many more losses, probably over 4000 total, but adding 1000 steel manufacturing jobs would only increase the total workforce by maybe 1200-1500 jobs.
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Yeah, fortunately, he's too busy golfing.
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Errr...you do realize the U.S. has been creating roughly 200,000 jobs over all for the past few years, yes? And you are in awe of 3000. In numbers, proportion matters.
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An alternative explanation might be that you posted a planned (i.e. not actual) number and multiplied it by another number that you pulled out of your arse to get it into the order of magnitude you wanted.
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Errr...you do realize the U.S. has been creating roughly 200,000 jobs over all for the past few years, yes? And you are in awe of 3000. In numbers, proportion matters.
These 3000 jobs are being talked about in isolation literally for the purpose of looking at proportions.
I'm not even convinced by your comment that you understand the difference between a proportion and an absolute amount. Sheesh.
I recommend 5 minutes of self-flagellation with a cluestick.
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Don't forget to read the article before linking next time. Or geeze, at least scan it.
First, it was actually talking about the ratio of employees directly manufacturing something to the number of office workers at the same company.
Second, the source was studies of Intel, in the Portland, OR metro region.
And it is true; manufacturing jobs at Intel in Beavertron are directly connected to non-manufacturing staffing levels at related facilities, and that includes a lot of contractors who technically have a diff
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It is at least 800 this year [cnbc.com]
A few things.
1) US Steel planning to add. [fastcompany.com] Planning. Believe it when you see it. This isn't your grandad's blast furnace, today the steel industry is highly automated. And how many times must you endure this Trump promise charade before you recognize the pattern? [fortune.com]
2) What is the chance that somebody from Trump's administration did not "make a deal" to elicit that US Steel press release? (I'll help you here: exactly zero.)
3) The Tax Foundation estimates that the Trump tariffs will immediately result in the loss [fastcompany.com]
Re:Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Tarrifs are enforced exactions, not voluntary contributions. To demand more in the name of jerbs is mere cant.
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I figured it out. "Make America Great Again" means either one of two things:
1: It's a commandment
Close, but no cigar. It is just a brand of Condiment that starts sales in about 2.5 years. It was originally a stake sauce, but had to be reformulated.
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Sorry, "stake sauce" was supposed to be followed by a clever zombie joke, but I came up short. Anybody?
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Tip: We aren't.
Indeed. The root problem is that America consumes too much and invests too little. Tariffs will not change this, and by lowering wages and raising prices, make it even harder.
Fewer Americans will design smart phones. More will sew t-shirts.
But Donald Trump has made one change to America that may have long term positive effects: He has turned many liberals into champions of free trade.
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Interesting)
*sets aside the TDS crazy*
Sorry, do you even know who Case Labs is?
They're a low volume, high price boutique computer case seller.
Sure, there are $2,000,000 cars out there. But not many people buy them. As there may be no value proposition for them.
Sure, Case Labs makes $500+ cases. But not many people buy them. As there is no value proposition for them.
As such, anything that even MODESTLY disrupts their price/profit model is going to wreak havoc.
And that's under the naive assumption that there are NO other market forces acting on them. Remember what I said about few people dropping $500+ for a case? And the fact that there are other boutique sellers out there as well?
Also, CaseLabs is based in California. Probably THE most business-unfriendly state in the union. I wouldn't be surprised if their efforts to legislate businesses out of business didn't drastically impact their employee and insurance costs.
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They're a low volume, high price boutique computer case seller.
Sure, there are $2,000,000 cars out there. But not many people buy them. As there may be no value proposition for them.
They stated "tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent." Lots of case makers choose to serve a niche, maybe to avoid being dislodged by high volume offshore manufacturers. Maybe because not everybody needs to be the next Dell. There are many factors of course, but they told you a major one, are you calling that a lie?
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No... they were screwed, not by the tariffs but by an extremely weak and conditional business model.
I will quote exactly, again. "The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent." But you are smarter than they are so you know they didn't say what they actually meant, right? Just trying to follow your tortured logic.
Re: Look at all these jobs... (Score:5, Insightful)
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"Trump is destroying manufacturing jobs in America"
Every time a manufacturer faces hardship Trump gets blamed. Which is 100% grade A bullshit peddled by those occupying the lower tier in the IQ department. Even with China and other SE Asia countries who use slave level wages to create cheap exports the US is ranked #2 in the manufacturing competitiveness standings. And the future predication based on prior output and profitability puts the US ahead of China in 2020.
Forget Trump. He will be gone in a few yea
Time to double down...Mr. President (Score:2)
"The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins.
I hope our president will reconsider his stance on tarrifs. Folks are struggling. It's rumored that a kinda distant neighbor has lost his house to foreclosure.
On the other hand though, I won't be surprised if I hear of those asking the president to double down on tarrifs.
Re:Time to double down...Mr. President (Score:5, Insightful)
Or, if China has such massive control over manufacturing that tarrifs on sheet metal kill companies, maybe it makes sense to boost the supply on our side?
Re: Time to double down...Mr. President (Score:2)
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Except... putting a tariff on Chinese metals creates a price floor which may raise the price across the market. After all- Chinese metals are no longer and option...
Get it?
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Who lied? the raising of Tariffs raises *Market* rates for *US made* steel as well.
You know, basic Supply and Demand.
Not *just* due to tariffs (Score:5, Informative)
FT company website:
"We are very sad to announce that CaseLabs and its parent company will be closing permanently. We have been forced into bankruptcy and liquidation. The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80% (partly due to associated shortages), which cut deeply into our margins. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem. It hit us at the worst possible time. We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn’t happen.
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In other words a bad thing that they could normally have survived happened, but due to the tariffs on top they went bankrupt.
Business is very much about the straw (Score:2)
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It's likely that the default was due to another company going bankrupt... tariffs again maybe?
They don't even have to be going bankrupt. All it takes is for there to have been enough disruption that they are willing to compromise quality in order to continue operation.
Can Someone Explain? (Score:5, Interesting)
U.S.-based PC case manufacturer
The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)
Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products. And as for shortages, a PC case manufacturer needs thin sheet steel, paint, plastic, and LEDs. Don't tell me you cannot get sheet steel in America any longer? Also, the margins on cases should be astronomical, 5 lbs of steel and a few LEDs, an ounce of black paint and a few plastic parts probably take 5-8 dollars in material costs. The only problem in the industree should be that China can make them cheaper which can be solved with the appropriate tariffs.
Re:Can Someone Explain? (Score:5, Informative)
The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.
In the same way that killing everyone smarter than you will make you the smartest person in the world.
Tariffs don't make US products cheaper, they make foreign products more expensive.
Re:Can Someone Explain? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yeah, amazing how many people don't get this.
Local steel is $100, import is $80.
Add tariffs...
Local steel is $100, import is $120.
You now buy the 'cheaper' local steel, meaning your production costs go up, leading to fewer sales; thus you close down and so do the steel makers. Good job, idiots.
We figured this crap out in the 70's, just shows there are plenty of slow learners out there.
Re: Can Someone Explain? (Score:5, Insightful)
The 70s... you mean the decade when American heavy industry was gutted and the working class standard of living began its steep decline?
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President Trump is trying to end this 40+ year economic catastrophe by changing the public policies that caused it.
Everything he's done so far has actually destroyed jobs. Tell us again how that's going to solve the problem.
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More explaining (Score:2)
You also forgot to mention that the end product price goes up, the market shrinks, and the economy follows it.
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> killing everyone smarter than you will make you the smartest person in the world
Don't give Trump any ideas, we don't need 99% of humanity, and most of the smarter dogs killed.
Re:Can Someone Explain? (Score:5, Interesting)
1) Tariffs don't make American products cheaper...they make foreign products more costly (by adding taxes at import time).
2) Yes, you _can_ get all those materials (steel, paint, plastic, LEDs) in the U.S., but at least some of them are available at a substantially lower cost from other countries (e.g. steel from China).
3) The margins on almost all competitive consumer products in the U.S., including computer cases, are VERY thin no matter what kind of optimizations you try to make to the production process. That's what competitive markets do...offer consumers a variety of prices, qualities and relative values. Consumers pick their preferences, and all other things being equal (e.g. relatively similar computer cases), consumers will typically select the lower priced one.
The short term effect of increased tariffs will be increased prices for the same goods you bought cheaper before the tariffs. The political and longer term effects are more uncertain, especially when you factor in the possibility that unfair players (like China with respect to intellectual property violations and government subsidies) will also hurt in the short run, and may improve their behaviors in the longer run. But you won't find many consumers who will prefer the fairly certain near-term increase in sticker prices [dripping with understatement].
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Also consider that the other countries are putting selective tariffs in place, targeting industries in specific states and districts, with an eye towards giving GOP lawmakers, who have thus far been largely unwilling to intervene in the trade wars, as much grief as possible.
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offer consumers a variety of prices, qualities and relative values.
Yes, and but many companies offer luxury goods. And the cost to produce luxury goods never scales identically with the price. Case Labs sold luxury cases, and I guarantee that it did not cost them $450 to produce the cases they sold for $500.
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The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.
These days economies of many nations are integrated with each other that tariffs will hurt many industries.
In the 1930s, when the great depression occurred many economists know/believe the tariffs imposed in the US made the depression much worse that it should have been. And that was well before "globalization"
It's bias in the media (Score:5, Informative)
The way the media portrays it:
If a trade policy is implemented by a Democrat:
If a trade policy is implemented by a Republican:
The reality is that both are true. The press just likes to spin it in favor of or against the party in power.
Nope. They're designed to help American manufacturing by making foreign products more expensive than American products. That is, they protect American jobs, but do so by making the products you buy more expensive.
That's why I generally fall on the pro-open trade side of this. It's a Prisoner's dilemma [wikipedia.org] situation, where if one side implements tariffs, they get a better result than open trade, while the other side gets the worst possible result. But if both sides implement tariffs, they both end up worse off than with open trade. The best solution for both sides overall is open trade.
Trump's rationale (which I partly agree with but mostly don't) is that China has been abusing our policy of open import of Chinese goods by restricting export of American goods to China and/or subsidizing some of their goods which the U.S. imports which artificially kills off U.S. producers, thus giving China the advantage in the Prisoner's dilemma (and puts the U.S. at a disadvantage). The best solution found thus far to the iterated Prisoner's dilemma is the tit for tat [wikipedia.org] strategy. If one side abuses the Prisoner's dilemma, the other side abuses it right back thus signaling that it won't take such abuse lying down. And eventually the side which started the abuse backs down, and the other side also backs down, reverting both sides to the best possible strategy for both (in this case, open trade).
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Note that an economist who just plain *blasted* the initial round of tariffs, but noting that the only *possible* justifications for such actions was as a negotiating chip . . . rather than being cut off from access to high administration officials, was instead snatched up a week or two later as chief economic advisor, and is now, if not fully in charge, preaching this at those actually pulling the strings.
tariffs are generally horrible and counterproductive, and *usually* there is no credible threat to u
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Economists are to accountants as astrologers are to astronomers.
Economics is a soft 'science', like sociology.
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This is a fallacy - when you impose tariffs on imports, domestic producers typically increase their prices, otherwise they'd be leaving money on the table.
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But probably still more expensive than Canada-made boxes.
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You don't need to remind me. Everything sold by U.S.A. companies keeps increasing in price.
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Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.
No, they make foreign products more expensive than American products. And they make American products more expensive because they raise the price floor; without effective competition from overseas, American suppliers are free to raise their prices, and they do. The resulting profit is overwhelmingly kept by the upper echelons, as the worker's share of profit has been on a downward trend since the industrial revolution.
And as for shortages, a PC case manufacturer needs thin sheet steel, paint, plastic, and LEDs.
All of which have gone up in price because of tariffs, for the aforementioned reasons.
Don't tell me you cannot get sheet steel in America any longer?
You
Re:Can Someone Explain? (Score:5, Insightful)
U.S.-based PC case manufacturer
The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)
Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products.
That seems to be the case if you don't think about it. As several comments pointed out tariffs are not making American products cheaper, they are making imports more expensive. By implementing tariffs you are chocking the supply, which allows the local suppliers to raise their prices. So instead of lowering the cost of American products, you are actually increasing it. This is econ 101 stuff.
You can argue that this would incentivize US steel producers to open new plants and boost output. This is not happening (only one manufacturer activated a single furnace they already had) for several reason. Building a steel plant is a major investment that can only be justified if there is a long term strong demand. The plant also cannot stand on its own - you need supply of ore, coke (the fuel not the drink), qualified workforce, transport infrastructure, etc. As things stand now, none of these is in place and the potential clients are going out of business. So no, nobody is going to build a new steel plant anytime soon. Even if production ramps up, volume is not the only problem. There are a number of varieties of steel that are used in US. The user base for some of them does not justify production for the local market. These varieties become viable only of you have access to the world market, which you don't thanks to the tariffs
The tariffs ignore the basic fact that in the 21st century the world economy is highly integrated. US may not produce much steel, but has a large number of thriving businesses that consume steel and other metals to make more lucrative products. Think cars and airplanes. If you are one of those manufacturers, your product now costs more to build and thanks to the retaliatory tariffs cost even more to export. To sell products that use steel outside of US you now need to move production abroad (that's what Harley Davidson is doing). Your alternative is to sell only to US customers. Either way you will employ fewer people in US. If you notice I am not even touching the effect retaliatory tariffs have on unrelated businesses such as farming. Taken together, in a futile attempt to protect a minor set of companies, the tariffs are destroying a large chunk of the economy.
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Can someone explain?
Due to some strange, unexpected quirk, steps taken to protect the nation's industries somehow didn't manage to deliver the immediate results that certain idiots - *cough* shills *cough* - were pretending to expect.
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So a company like this gets hurt by import taxes increasing costs for the
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Also, the margins on cases should be astronomical, 5 lbs of steel and a few LEDs, an ounce of black paint and a few plastic parts probably take 5-8 dollars in material costs. The only problem in the industree should be that China can make them cheaper which can be solved with the appropriate tariffs.
I would say if you know how to make cases that cheaply you ought to go into business. Yo'd have half the cost and twice the margin of everyone else. It costs much more to produce the case than the raw BoM cost.
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Re:Can Someone Explain? (Score:4, Informative)
U.S.-based PC case manufacturer
The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)
Can someone explain? The tariffs are designed to help American manufacturing, they make American products cheaper than foreign products. And as for shortages, a PC case manufacturer needs thin sheet steel, paint, plastic, and LEDs. Don't tell me you cannot get sheet steel in America any longer? Also, the margins on cases should be astronomical, 5 lbs of steel and a few LEDs, an ounce of black paint and a few plastic parts probably take 5-8 dollars in material costs. The only problem in the industry should be that China can make them cheaper which can be solved with the appropriate tariffs.
Probably the effect of the tariffs being "recent".
This causes disruption in the supply chain, as any predictable price adjustment would. What importers do is make large orders based on expected mid-term demand, in contrast to their usual (what business school teaches these days) on-demand or "just-in-time" parts inventory practice. This can stress the financials of the importer, as they have new, unplanned costs (large order financing, new inventory & storage costs, delayed return on investment ... parts will be in inventory, paid for, for a longer period of time before they can recover the cost through sales, versus "normal" import volumes ).
Or Not. It may also be that downstream wholesale buyers will have upped their orders from the importer, eliminating the long term storage and cost recovery period issues but possibly causing shortages (cannot fill all orders completely) amongst businesses that are ultimately competitors. Prices may rise (as they always do to reflect higher demand than supply) out of proportion to the increased import cost. If you have unfilled orders and the price of a part in shortage has risen 400% (even though the tariff might have only increased cost to the importer by 10%) ... what do you do? Allow the buyer to cancel the order and hit your annual bottom line, or pay the 400% and ship the product, possibly at a loss, to keep people working and customers happy?
I would imaging the parts the OP's firm is referring to as increasing product cost would be power supplies typically included with case orders. (Just a guess, I've never looked at their site but if they don't offer PS upgrades, maybe they did deserve to go bankrupt, or at least should have read a book on marketing and business theory). Maybe they also included the option to add things like HDDs or SSDs at competitive prices, which would be dangerously narrow margins.
Regardless, those are all items not manufactured in the USA, so would have to be imported from somewhere; typically Asia as the costs to fill a Bill Of Materials (BoM) for electronics in Asia is significantly lower than in North America. It's even cheaper to buy electronic components in Australia than North America due to it's proximity to the manufacturing sites, not all of which are in China.
Oz (and New Zealand) have surprisingly robust electronics manufacturing industries, despite their first-world economies and small population sizes. Compare that with Mexico, which has comparable labour costs to China ... where is the cheap electronics assembly industry there? Doesn't exist at anywhere near the scale of Asia so obviously there are factors other than labour costs at play in that industry.
There are lots of challenges when a disruptive element enters business planning. Some of it is unpredictable and some of it carries unintended consequences. This is always the case, there is nothing particularly unique about new tariffs on Chinese manufactured goods in that respect. One day we can expect the tariffs will fall or be eliminated (either that, or there is a Hidden Agenda since tariff reduction is the carrot dangled to China should it change wha
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But that should only mean that they should not of been affected very much at all.
They sold expensive cases made by hand. Meaning labour was 80-90% of the total cost. And if I wanted, I could order 10 tons of sheet aluminum right this minute, and have it shipped to me right now. I would probably have to pay shitloads of tariffs, because that is how it always works in Canada, but it would still be a tiny fraction of what I sold the cases for. Just this month I ordered 55lbs of cocoa and a couple hundred feet
Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. (Score:5, Informative)
The tariffs have played a major role raising prices by almost 80 percent (partly due to associated shortages)
The ten percent aluminum tariff causes prices to spike eighty percent? Sounds like CaseLabs' suppliers ripped them off.
The default of a large account added greatly to the problem... We reached out for a possible deal that would allow us to continue on and persevere through these difficult times, but in the end, it didn't happen.
So, CaseLabs got ripped off by a client. This was a business failure, not a tariff problem. That's confirmed by the company's failure to secure financing to continue: even the bank knew that the owners sucked at running a business.
They made overpriced cases (seriously, $600 for a case?) and ran their business badly. They failed.
Re:Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. (Score:5, Insightful)
It's likely suppliers are ripping everyone off. They'll bump up prices to just south of what the tariffs are pricing foreign imports at, simply because the government has picked them as the winners. You don't actually think that suppliers are nice guys who actually want to help out their fellow American businesses, do you?
Re:Blame the business owner, not the tariffs. (Score:5, Insightful)
They made overpriced cases (seriously, $600 for a case?) and ran their business badly. They failed.
You left out the last step: Then they blamed it on Trump.
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their business badly. They failed. You left out the last step: Then they blamed it on Trump.
How unfair. The raised prices can't affect anyone because #MAGA. That's a fact. Now stop worring about that and look at the space force. Everybody says space is important and we have the best space---everyone says we have the bese--and you're not going to believe the space we're going to have except the fake news at CNN but I don't watch CNN
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This is like a faith healer blaming the people who didn't get better for his own inability to heal them.
No, it caused a weakened company to die off (Score:2)
1. The POTUS to be aware that aluminum prices are already high due to shortages.
2. You'd expect him to understand that if there is a shortage of a good driving up prices that putting tariffs on it is pointless since high prices for a good mean you've already got a healthy enough market you don't need to protect it.
3. You'd also expect that companies that are hurting due to high aluminum
Trade Wars? (Score:2)
Did I miss something, or are we back to the BBS era?
switch to making cases from hardwood (Score:2)
hardwood for the nice look and feel for the outside of the case and recycled plastic for the interior because it is not electrically conductive and strong & lightweight
On the subject of steel (Score:5, Informative)
One thing everyone here is missing is that U.S. Steel and Nucor Steel have been fighting every single exemption request companies have put forth to the U.S. Commerce Department. These companies want exemptions from the tariffs so they can continue to get steel at reasonable prices and/or quality and type they need.
Instead, the two largest producers of steel in the country have raised their prices and told the Commerce Department the exemptions are bogus because they can make the product, even though in at least one case, a company stopped buying steel from U.S. Steel because of quality control issues [cbsnews.com].
Of course politics plays a big role in all this:
In one case, a company stated “the sole U.S. producer of high speed steel material appropriate for cutting tools is not currently ramping up any production to expand this aspect of their business and has not shown any interest in quoting new business [reuters.com].”
As the tariffs take hold, expect prices of finished goods to rise substantially and more businesses to either go under or relocate out of the country. The largest nail manufacturer in the country has already laid off 12% of its workforce, cut hours for the remainder and is still on the brink of extinction [cnn.com], so it has to make such a decision.
As predicted (Score:3, Funny)
Am I the only one who's exhausted by all this winning?
The rolled-steel thin edge of the wedge (Score:3)
I grew up in a time when knowing something about computer cases meant something. Machine tooling was expensive, so knowing the difference between one case that had been designed by a machining efficiency expert and another that had been designed by a wizened system builder was worth a 100-150% markup. Cheap cases were notable for having a layout where the motherboard was screwed down so far from the 5 1/4" bays that your leads from your cheap power supply wouldn't reach your floppy drive.
Computer cases have since become some kind of wealth signal for the PC builder prosperity gospelists. If you accept the desktop PC into your heart, you too can have an RGB-LED double aluminum liquid-cooled heaven right now on your fold-out table.
Incontrovertible fact #1: all PRs hide the chewy center. The default of a large account added greatly to the problem is the chewy center. Every business is accountable to its shareholders. If CaseLabs went out of business because they lost a primary account, they will definitely blame anything but that fact. That's why they are pointing to tariffs, which they have no control over, as a primary cause, rather than the possibility that they have been price raping a major client, who may have hired somebody who said "why the f-ck are you buying $400 cases?".
Incontrovertible fact #2: US companies that arbitrage Chinese trade markets are rent-seekers. They could employ 1,000 minimum wage+ employees, but they are not what you'd call "domestic industry". China knows quite well what industry looks like. That's why everything is built in China.
Incontrovertible fact #3: In the modern world, a Chinese child laborer who hand-solders an Arduino board has more skills than a union worker who ensures the "Made in the USA" sticker was applied correctly. If you're a producer, and you have no control over your production chain, you're a marketer.
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There are objectively few reasons to like almost anything he's done unless you're either very short-sighted and on the receiving end of his wealth transfers to the rich, and/or you're a godawful centipede who gets a boner at gratuitous cruelty toward brown people and wanton damage to global liberal-democracy, including the western world's economy as seen here.
Among non-deplorable people who use facts and math, Trump has made himself a supervillain, and his typical actions will be met with disapproval. DEAL
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Well said. Thanks.
Re:Slashdot Trump Hate Article #23508723579 (Score:4, Insightful)
And this is where I'm just at a loss.
I'm a white male who grew up in the country hunting, fishing and driving pickups and working on farms, who's now upper middle class and headed into middle age. About to move into the suburbs.
I'm pretty much someone who should absolutely be a core republican voter. (Save for a little too much education.) Yet here I sit, repulsed at what the republican party has become. They lost me. For the entire rest of my life. Until everyone who was complicit in the last decade of cynical depravity by the republicans and their spawn has left the party, fuck 'em.
Now that my grandmother has passed, I'm never voting for another republican the rest of my life. The options are democrats or hopefully someone sensible. I just don't understand how a party could draw a hard social line that they know is going to alienate marginal voters for a generation. It's madness.
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How many personal bankruptcy cases has he had, and totally fucked everyone involved?
Personal? It was my understanding that Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy. On the other hand, IIRC the majority of his businesses have eventually gone bankrupt, which actually costs everyone else more than if it were a personal bankruptcy.
Well said! (Score:2)
nt.