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Samsung Announces $1,000 Galaxy Note 9 Smartphone With Last-Gen Android Software Out-of-the-Box (engadget.com) 197

The Galaxy Note 9 touts a slightly larger 6.4-inch end-to-end screen, a 4,000mAh battery that promises "all-day" use, and a minimum 128GB of storage -- there's also a 512GB version that, with 512GB microSD cards, can give you a full terabyte of space. It runs Android 8.1 Oreo -- not Android Pie, which Google and Essential rolled out to some of their devices earlier this month. Engadget: Samsung is also bringing over welcome improvements from the Galaxy S9 family, including stereo speakers and the variable aperture f/1.5-2.4 primary camera (there's a second camera on the back, of course). This year, though, the most conspicuous change revolves around the S Pen. This is Samsung's first S Pen to incorporate Bluetooth, and that lets you do a whole lot more than doodle on the screen. You can use it as a remote control for selfies and presentations, and Samsung is providing a toolkit to let app developers use the pen for their own purposes. And no, you don't need to load it with batteries or plug it into a charger -- it'll top up just by staying in your phone. The base model of the Note 9, featuring 128GB of storage and 6GB of RAM, is priced at $999. The other variant will set you back by $1,250. Preorders begin on August 10th, and the phone will be available on August 24th at all major carriers or direct (and unlocked) from Samsung. CNET writes about the camera sensors on the new handset: The Galaxy Note 9 keeps the same hardware setup as the Galaxy S9 Plus. That is, dual 12-megapixel cameras on the back, one of them that automatically changes aperture when it detects the need for a low-light shot. (Samsung calls this dual aperture, and it's also on both S9 phones.) There's also an 8-megapixel front-facing camera for your selfies. What's different is AI software that analyzes the scene and quickly detects if you're shooting a flower, food, a dog, a person. There are 20 options the Note 9's been trained on, including snowflakes, cityscapes, fire, you get it. Then, the camera optimizes white balance, saturation and contrast to make photos pop.
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Samsung Announces $1,000 Galaxy Note 9 Smartphone With Last-Gen Android Software Out-of-the-Box

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  • by Teun ( 17872 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:52AM (#57096816)
    Which percentage of space and CPU cycles is used by unwanted and unremoveable apps?
    • Depends on your carrier and what they chose to force into the image.
    • Zero. Pretty much all of these apps do nothing, and if they do just disable them and Android will prevent them from executing, updating, and doing anything other than using a very small amount of storage space.

    • With Samsungs you measure the percentage that isn't; it requires less digits.

  • ..or (Score:5, Informative)

    by kiviQr ( 3443687 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:54AM (#57096822)
    or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.
    • Re:..or (Score:5, Insightful)

      by magarity ( 164372 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:59AM (#57096856)

      or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      The most important thing the Note will do is not have Alexa.

      • but it will have two spywares preinstalled instead of one. Google and bixby

    • or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      But, I WANT the actual "fire" feature from my phone.

    • or you can buy Kindle Fire 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      ..except make phone calls.

    • Yeah but I prefer having a phone that does those 90% of things today rather than tomorrow when that underpowered piece of shit finally starts responding.

      Also first reply, at least it would have been but it took me 45min to post this from my 386.

  • by shilly ( 142940 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @10:57AM (#57096842)

    I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

    • by MightyYar ( 622222 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:00AM (#57096864)

      I wish Windows laptops still shipped with 7.

      • by xack ( 5304745 )
        There’s the Thinkpad P50 that still has a Windows 7 option, otherwise you will need to DISM USB3 drivers and use wufuc to get updates on any laptop you want with 7. I have three laptops and one desktop with Windows 7 partitions.
      • They certainly do. The market is flooded with refurbs with Windows 7.
        • That seems a bit pedantic, but yeah, OK, I wish current generation hardware was commonly available with Windows 7.

          • by DogDude ( 805747 )
            In all honesty, what's the difference between a laptop made today and one made 5 years ago? Is there a difference?
      • by Kjella ( 173770 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:59AM (#57097228) Homepage

        I wish Windows laptops still shipped with 7.

        I wish Microsoft would make an home edition of Win10 Enterprise LTSB and for that they'd pretty much just have to disable domain support. No Edge, no Microsoft Store, no Cortana, ability to turn off all telemetry, 5+5 years of normal/extended support and optional version upgrades every 2-3 years. Seriously, it's 2018 and operating systems are pretty mature technology that don't need upgrades every six months. They have actually improved things under the hood quite a bit since 2009, it's just the "extras" that are killing the appeal. With Chrome/VLC/Steam etc. I don't need Microsoft's tools, I just need something that runs Windows software.

        • by rtb61 ( 674572 )

          The M$ responce to that, honestly, fuck you, fuck your privacy, fuck your control over your computer, do as you are told and shut the fuck up before we shut down you down. They want control over you, over you computer, they want to install what ever software they want, when ever they want. They want to monitor all your use of your computer and scan your hard disk drive when ever they want to.

          M$ already know exactly what their customers want, the M$ response is basically fuck em. M$ want total control over

      • You won't when you get pwned by a bug that's been fixed in more recent versions.

        No one ever promised you that they would maintain software from 2009 past 2019.

        • Alrighty, I would have thought it obvious, but just so we're clear:

          An updated, maintained version of Windows 7. This was meant as a relatable comment on how an older version of an OS can actually be better than a newer version of an OS - don't worry, I'm not trying to freeze us in time. I use Windows 10, and it has some improvements over 7 - but it still has vestiges of the clumsy tablet features that made 8 such an abortion. On the whole, usability is less than 7 (though improving).

    • Samsung is likely working on an update for this very reason. My Note 5 got a couple of Android versions though the years I owned it.
      • by wizkid ( 13692 )

        Samsung is likely working on an update for this very reason. My Note 5 got a couple of Android versions though the years I owned it.

        I've become disillusioned with samsung phones. They provide updates for a year, and maybe you'll get a update in the second year if a really bad exploit happens. Sometime in the 3rd year, it will start working like crap because the cell phone infrastructure is always changing.
        Google is better for that second year, but....
        Phone manufacturers need to be held responsible to update software for 5 years. They don't want to do that though because they want you to buy a new phone every year.

        • by jimbo ( 1370 )

          Indeed! My Samsung phone got major OS updates six months+ after the fact and now after three years get no updates at all, even though it's a perfectly fine and fast phone.

          Meanwhile my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too (once she put in a new battery).

          I' looking at the Pixel 3 next, hoping at least the updates will be timely.

          • Meanwhile my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too

            Sometimes I wonder if people just have very different ideas of what fast is than I do.
            My work 6s is so slow on new iOS versions that I've found myself using my personal Android phone more often than it now.
            Battery's been replaced (that wasn't an option- it wouldn't hold a charge for more than about 3 hours of standby)

          • my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too (once she put in a new battery)

            Of course. Apple has to update old phones to slow them down. [cnn.com]

        • In fact the right thing would be to be able to install the operating system of your choice on your mobile phone, just as you can install Windows or Linux on a desktop. Of course, this would make you have to worry about things like drivers (or something like that), but in return you would not be at the mercy of the phone manufacturer.

          But thing is, manufacturers love to have full power over your cell phone hardware, especially the part of making it obsolete when they want and thus forcing you to buy a new
        • My Verizon Note 5 still gets updates, and my current Note 8 is updated rather frequently. It's not just Samsung, it's also your carrier...
    • by known_coward_69 ( 4151743 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:20AM (#57096962)

      because phones have a 2-3 development and testing time frame and by the time the Note 9 began field tests it was too late to have it ship with pie or wait for pie and delay the testing

      • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
        Pretty much exactly this. I mean, the latest version of Android was officially released 3 days ago. As far as the Note 9 goes, they pretty much did release it with the newest version available at the time the phone was finalized. There might be some room for argument over the s9/s9+ as it only shipped with 8.0 when 8.1 had been out for a few months. But, even then.. I'm sure they'd been working on the OS before the 8.1 release.

        Samsung is improving when it comes to security updates, but they really aren't d
    • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
      Because they don't know any better.
      • No, because we DO know better.

        Here's a list of Android Pie features:

        Adaptive Battery : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
        Adaptive Brightness : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
        Adaptive System (e.g. reacts and executes things when you plug stuff in) : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
        Integration with Apps that causes your personal info to be spammed to 3rd parties like Lyft : DO NOT WANT.
        Switch between apps with gestures : Samsung has had this for 5 years already.
        See which apps you use

        • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )

          See which apps you use most : errr. why?
          Set daily limits on your apps : err why?

          Oh no, my device doesn't have ${Feature}!
          Obviously that means ${Feature} doesn't count.....

          Until my device does have feature, then that's why it's the bestest.

    • Yes, it's not ideal but it will get the latest version in the next few months and it's not like running the next to last version will prevent you from running any apps. Also most regular Joes don't really care what version of Android their phone is running.
      It's clearly much better on the Apple camp with Apple supporting their hardware for a long time.
      I guess it's the price to pay for having so many manufacturers and devices to choose from.
    • I think it falls mainly in testing. The time it takes to get the phone designed and the OS integrated there is a new version out. Thus will always be a racing cycle to make sure you are up with the latest version.

      Apple having full control of everything. May release the next version of iOS with all the specs in mind for their next device. If you troll macrumors you find that people can often predict what features the next phones will have based on what the Beta iOS has in its settings.

      Android doesn't work

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Powercntrl ( 458442 )

      Because the smartphone industry has become the fashion industry, and the masses only care about having the "latest style", not the best technology. Hence we've got phones with distorted edge displays, notches, locked bootloaders, etc... All because the masses only care about bragging on social media how they just dropped a grand on Samsung or Apple's latest polished turd.

      • Not really. It is just not very important to get a new Android release on day one, in fact as with any OS it makes a whole lot more sense to git it a couple more months and get the .1 release. I for one don't take any marks off at all for going back one release on a flagship to give the developers a bit more time to work out the wrinkles. Quite the contrary.

        Your fashion analogy is really just the opposite of what's happening here.

    • I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      What choice to we have? I don't want an iPhone, nor a Windows phone. I want a droid. They all come with old software, preinstalled crap you can't uninstall, etc etc.

      Best I can do is ensure it's got a headphone jack and SDCC slot, and I can afford it.

      • To reply to my own comment, I've got an LG and it seems to get an update a couple times a year. Takes a long time to port/test your stuff to the new Android, so I'm OK with a 6-12 month lag in Android versions.
        • Get a phone that updates with LineageOS. It solves all the problems outlined in all the threads here: only latest base android, you can install just google play and that's it if you really want and everything else can be considered optional (select pico: https://github.com/opengapps/o... [github.com]) and you still have a phone that works fast and lean. The issue is drivers and support sadly, the list is very limited.

      • My Note 5 is still updating,. No way I want Apple's "you don't really own your phone" crap. That's the worst option. I buy something I want to do anything I want with it, and Android is closer to that experience.
    • Release SW is typically set a few months before shipments - and that was before Pie was ready. Give it a month or two, your carrier will most likely have an update for the SW coming as soon as it's ready.
    • I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      People are okay with it because unlike Apple the hardware and software are on different release cycles. It is normal in every land that if you go buy a cutting edge PC or gadget that it won't have the OS that was literally just released to vendors a couple of weeks earlier.

      Also I do have to ask, what are you missing? What is your killer app? What about Android Pie do you think makes it even worthwhile downloading the update when available? Its biggest selling features have been part vendor ROMs as it is any

      • by Straif ( 172656 )

        Being a bit of tech echo chamber, I don't know if some people on here don't realize that the majority of Android phone owners couldn't tell you what version of the OS their phone is running and couldn't care less. If it makes calls and plays their favorite apps then they're all good.

        In fact I would hazard a guess that the majority wouldn't even want to be upgraded to the most recent version if it meant they'd have to adapt to changes to their interface except for those rare occasions where some killer feat

        • by Xenx ( 2211586 )
          As someone working ISP(email) tech support, I can assure you... iPhone users aren't any better at knowing what version. I'll even ask if they're on the latest version and they act like a deer in headlights. I always just have to give up and have them check whether they have Accounts & Passwords under settings.
    • 1. It is preposterous to demand that Samsung (or anyone else) releases a brand new device with the version of Android that came out just days or weeks ago because the test and release cycle for the new hardware products is taking MONTHS. Why should Samsung push the release of a new phone down to say November or December just because a few weenies who think they _must_ have the latest version of Android NOW?

      2. The list of changes between subsequent Android releases tiny and insignificant from the perspective

    • I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Because software integration takes time. I thought this was a tech site? Why are we getting such stupid questions?

      • by shilly ( 142940 )

        You know what I don't understand? Why you can't read properly: I didn't ask a question, stupid or otherwise. I made an observation. Here's a clue: questions have these things called question marks at the end of them. HTH.

        As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.

        • As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.

          So what would you rather, the release on other devices be held back for integration on this device? How does that work with 10s of different manufacturers and 100s of new device releases? Because if you accept why there's a staggered rollout, then if you want to unstagger it you have to delay something else? Or you have to do some other magic? What would that be then?

          It's really easy to spout judgements like "it's not good enough" but in the real world you have to pick your compromise. Either put the whole

    • It's not as bad as it would seem to an iPhone user. In iOS, all major Apple apps are tied to the iOS version. New versions of Apple Mail, Calendar, etc are all tied to new versions of iOS. Android is much more modular. So even a user running Android N has the latest version of Gmail, Calendar, Maps, etc. Even subsystems that the user doesn't directly see, like Google Play Services, are updated directly from Google as soon as they come out.
      • by shilly ( 142940 )

        What about security, privacy etc? Whatever the equivalent is of iOS 12's USB Restricted Mode?

    • I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Because OTA update is no big deal, you're only pretending not to know that, right?

      Update on the fly is deep rooted part of the Linux culture, at least Google didn't break that too horribly. But update without reboot is also perfectly possible and normal on a proper Linux distribution, so I have to blow a stupid person raspberry in Google's general direction for that one.

  • 1000 (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:01AM (#57096868) Journal
    I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.
    • by swb ( 14022 )

      Is that because you can't because it would eat up too much of your income? Or is it that you easily could, but won't because off some missing utility value to you?

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

      • Re:1000 (Score:4, Insightful)

        by kiviQr ( 3443687 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @11:20AM (#57096966)
        $20k rollex shows time the same way $20 timex does. To some people it is disposable income to some it is a choice what to do with it (invest, travel, etc.).
        • That $20 Timex is the better time keeper with its quartz movement over the mechanical movement of the Rollex. If going for mechanical movement watches there are plenty of better options than Rollex. People buy a Rollex to show off a Rollex.
        • by rsborg ( 111459 )

          $20k rollex shows time the same way $20 timex does. To some people it is disposable income to some it is a choice what to do with it (invest, travel, etc.).

          People who buy Rolexes usually see it as an investment - in 10 years it's easy to recoup most of the $20k you spent, if not have a gain to show for it. Also it's used as a way to move large amounts of money using fake invoices to launder money: https://thevelvetrocket.com/20... [thevelvetrocket.com]

      • Re: (Score:2, Offtopic)

        by iampiti ( 1059688 )
        I bought a then-pretty-new Galaxy S2 in 2011 for about 550 €. My last phone cost 270€. I just can't justify spending 800+ € on a phone when there're others that cost 300€ and do 99% of things the expensive ones do. I just don't see the point.
        I some day smartphones use a "real" OS (regular Linux for example) and I were to use them as a primary computing device (i.e. a PC) I would spend more on a more powerful device.
      • I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

        "Not spending $1000 on a phone" is not being thrifty, it's just not being stupid.

        • I'd love to hear how perceived value of a mobile computing and telephony device differing from your own is a measure of intelligence.
      • Is that because you can't because it would eat up too much of your income? Or is it that you easily could, but won't because off some missing utility value to you?

        I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

        Is that an actual question?

        Like all economic actors, I won't trade $1000 for something that doesn't seem worth $1000 to me.

        A phone is less important to me than a desktop, so generally speaking, I am unwilling to spend more on a phone than on a desktop. And I can get a desktop that does what I want for much less than $1000.

        In any case, the Moto E4 that I got for $100 last year does everything that I want quite nicely.

        I probably have more "disposable" income left over than most people who buy $1000 phones

      • I won't spend $1,000 on a computer because I can build one that meets my needs for less. There is such a thing as "good enough".

        I paid about $300 for my Moto X Pure, it does everything I need. I have even done software releases on it using an SSH client. Why would I spend any more than necessary? Just because I have thousands of dollars in disposable income each month doesn't mean I'm okay with pissing it away.

    • That is good to hear.
      Luckily for you there is a wide range of phones with different pricing and features.

      For some they want what the Note 9 has and are willing to pay for it. Other may need less and want to pay more.

      Free Market Economy for the win. I know people with Flip phones, and they are not getting hunted down by the Smart Phone Police to upgrade.

    • I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.

      That makes sense. Most people use their phone a lot more than they use a desktop.

    • Damn. My last desktop cost $2200, and my last laptop $2300.
      Are your desktops used for little more than browsing?
      • Eh, browsing, word processing, point and click games, scanning, etc. So no, nothing too taxing. Usually. I played a bit with visual studio on it. Performance was pedestrian but acceptable. I work from home on it but I remote desktop to a more powerful work computer.
    • That's fine. The Samsung Note series focus on delivering state of art technology and user experience. It's the Mercedes-Benz S-class of smartphones. You don't have to buy it, but it does remain oh so desirable regardless.

    • I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.

      I will, because time is money. In fact that's just the parts cost these days since I got into my own builds. Next build will be $2000 parts cost because it will be a top of the line Threadripper 2. You could even go crazy and do an overclocked 64 core (upcoming) Epyc on EATX but that's where I draw the line. No problem at all with dropping $2K on a box that delivers the value.

      A phone is a different story: what is exactly is the payback for the flagship tax, particularly knowing that this year's flagship is

  • I mean, Android Pie was just formally released a few days ago. Samsung customizes the OS quite a bit, so I wouldn't think it fair to expect it to show up on their phones for another 3 or 4 months.

    • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )

      I mean, Android Pie was just formally released a few days ago. Samsung customizes the OS quite a bit, so I wouldn't think it fair to expect it to show up on their phones for another 3 or 4 months.

      That's not good either. Not that the average Samsung customer knows or cares.

  • I want to buy a phone without Google on it. Does anybody sell a phone with a spyware-free OS?
  • by Zorro ( 15797 ) on Thursday August 09, 2018 @12:34PM (#57097516)

    Make it .6 Inches bigger and call it Nexus 7 Model 3.

  • 5 year warranty, 5 year guaranteed updates to android latest and patches, a dog and all it's shots.

    • 5 year warranty, 5 year guaranteed updates to android latest and patches, a dog and all it's shots.

      And a fire extinguisher to put out the battery fires? Yea, I know. You want to Bash Samsung... But consider their competition...

      Apple's flagship phone offering is a dollar less, it comes with ONE year warranty and will likely be supported for at least 5 years with ever slower releases of IOS being released until you get tired of it and upgrade. Everybody has their issues.

  • What will this phone do that an S4 won't? If I had it to do over again I would get more memory, I admit, but does this new phone actually have abilities that the old phone does not? I know it has better cameras and all that, but what is the killer app that would make me want this new phone?

    • Gee, first you admit that this Note device is superior to your ancient S4. Then you proceed to ask why would you want to upgrade from the S4. I guess if you don't care about having a modern up to date Android version, better screen, better camera, fingerprint sensor, bigger and faster storage and memory, stateofart SoC, new large capacity battery, modern USB interface, etc etc, then you can continue using the ancient S4. At this point you don't even need to seek the Note. Even a cheap chinaphone will domina

  • There's no way I'm paying twice as much for my next phone. Fuck $1000 phones!
  • I picked up an Essential on Prime day for $250 and I could brag that it's 4 / 128, all day battery, running Pie right now, but I'm not updating it's because there's a really good chance that some of the apps that I use every day are not going to work. It would be nice if everything just automatically worked on the bleeding edge, but that's not how it actually goes. If Samsung pushes out an update in one to two months, that may be the best thing for its customers.

  • It's almost like you can pickup Android P in a day and port it entirely over to a new device in a matter of weeks!

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