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Samoa Plans Switch To 100% Renewable Electricity -- Using Tesla's Batteries and Grid Controller (fastcompany.com) 72

An anonymous reader quotes Fast Company: In seven years, the island nation of Samoa plans to run on 100% renewable electricity. Over the last year, the local utility has worked with Tesla to install a key piece of that plan -- battery storage, and also a software system that can control Samoa's entire electricity supply. In the past, like many islands, the country ran mostly on imported, expensive, and polluting diesel power. As recently as 2012, the country brought in 95 million liters of diesel. Spurred by the cost and the threat of climate change -- Samoa is at particular risk from sea level rise and new outbreaks of climate-related diseases -- the country has been ramping up the use of renewables, with five large solar plants, a wind farm, and hydropower plants. But as renewable energy grew, the grid struggled with reliability.

"It had gotten to the point where just the solar, combined, could provide over half of the entire peak demand for the island, but they were having quite a few challenges managing that efficiently," says JB Straubel, Tesla's chief technical officer.... Tesla installed two of its "Powerpack" battery systems, and also developed and implemented island grid controller software that can control both the batteries and all of the power plants. "If a big cloud comes over the island and the solar drops very quickly, we can control the battery to make up the difference so we don't have to start a generator immediately, and we don't have to keep a generator running even when it might not be needed," says Straubel.

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Samoa Plans Switch To 100% Renewable Electricity -- Using Tesla's Batteries and Grid Controller

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  • Now that this is brought up, how does the Tesla power wall, solar cells, and battery operations affect Tesla's bottom line? Are these profitable profit centers?

    • Not very significantly yet, the solar roof is not being mass-produced yet, and most of the battery production capacity is being used for the cars.
      But I believe they're showing something like 50% annual growth rate for the energy division.
      The 50,000 home Australian distributed power system should be a pretty big step forward.

  • by Anonymous Coward

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  • and more importantly, how "secure" will the grid be? Will it be Internet connected?

    I also wonder if Tesla will be selling user power concumption stats to advertisers? /s

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by saloomy ( 2817221 )

      It will be disconnected from the public internet.

      No. Tesla doesnt sell user data to advertisers, nor do they place ads on any of their platforms.

      Glad I could clear that up for you

    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      Tesla is just selling batteries. If you look closely, it is at the center of everything from Elon Musk, except for the SpaceX, but SpaceX is special.
      Electric cars are essentially batteries on wheels, as in, it is the only thing in an electric car that is not better and cheaper than in a gas car.

      Tesla make batteries and cars with batteries, hyperloop is about battery powered trains, boring company intends to make tunnels for electric cars only, solarcity install solar panels (or tiles?) that charge batteries

    • and more importantly, how "secure" will the grid be? Will it be Internet connected?

      I also wonder if Tesla will be selling user power concumption stats to advertisers? /s

      Why would they? If we have learned anything from Slashdot, the only power production that works is Nuclear or coal. Nothing else. So there isn't much use Tesla selling his made up figures. They are as fictitious, as Solar is dead and always will be.

  • by careysub ( 976506 ) on Saturday August 04, 2018 @02:31PM (#57069500)

    Better for two reasons [electrek.co], it actually provides some data about the battery installation (it is 13.2 MWh of storage) and the site isn't packed with auto-play unstoppable video ad force-feeding like the FastCompany site.

    But American Samoa, the U.S. territory, got Tesla batteries two years ago [cleanegroup.org]. This installation is 6 MWh, but since the population is much smaller (55,000 vs 195,000 for Samoa) it is enough to run the main island (Tutuila) for three days without needing any power production, and is nearly 100% renewable powered now.

  • by Vinegar Joe ( 998110 ) on Saturday August 04, 2018 @02:50PM (#57069576)

    Is on Saipan, part of the Commonwealth of the Northern Marianas Islands. It was constructed back in 2014. And yes, Saipan is American and the system was built and is operated by a private business. It also works a hell of a lot better than the local government run utility company that the US government has poured millions into.

  • Since we’re talking about a country’s power grid, long term thinking is a necessity. What is the lifetime of the battery components of these powerpacks; and, when the time comes to replace them, how much of the old material can be reprocessed and reused versus having to go to the hazardous waste dump (and - separately - can that dump be in low-laying Samoa?)?

    • Tesla has been investing in some research into longevity of the batteries.
      So far it looks like they can maintain 80% charge after 800,000km traveled for the car batteries.
      I'm not sure how that translates to the stationary batteries, because they have different power cycles, and a different chemistry optimized for their use, but overall should be pretty good.

      Tesla has stated that battery recycling is part of the design of the factory that manufactures them, though I doubt it's become an issue yet.
      Generally,

      • by haruchai ( 17472 )

        "Tesla has been investing in some research into longevity of the batteries.
        So far it looks like they can maintain 80% charge after 800,000km traveled for the car batteries.
        I'm not sure how that translates to the stationary batteries, because they have different power cycles, and a different chemistry optimized for their use, but overall should be pretty good"
        I'm not convinced that Tesla's NCA battery cells are best suited for this use long-term; LiFePO4 should be much better and the greater number needed be

  • by SuperKendall ( 25149 ) on Saturday August 04, 2018 @05:58PM (#57070160)

    When people think of Tesla mostly they think of cars.

    Those are doing well enough, sure, but longer term Tesla is more about battery tech than anything else - with cars just a part of that equation.

    Tesla has been locking down a lot of supplies for batteries, like lithium. Tesla is really well positioned to dominate any field that needs batteries on a large scale.

  • Seriously, the batteries are useful, but they need to have a system that does NOT depend on the sun. In particular, geo-thermal or nukes would be far better way to go. NuScale is ideal. With 3 small reactors, they could have 180 MW. This would also solve the issue of hurricane, tsunamis, etc.
    This would also allow the island to prohibit any more ICE vehicles and instead require that all vehicles be EVs.
    Heck, push for electric boats and planes too.
  • It would be very good for them to get off of anything they have to pay to bring in, that's for sure.

    Ferret

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