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AMD Creates Quad Core Zen SoC with 24 Vega CUs for Chinese Consoles (anandtech.com) 93

An anonymous reader shares a report: AMD has cornered the x86 console market with its handy semi-custom mix of processors and graphics. While we slowly await the next generation of consoles from Microsoft and Sony, today AMD and Zhongshan Subor announced that a custom chip has been made for a new gaming PC and an upcoming console for the Chinese market.

The announcement states that a custom chip has been created for Subor that is based on four Zen cores running at 3.0 GHz and 24 compute units of Vega running at 1.3 GHz. The chip is supported by 8GB of GDDR5 memory, which the press release states is also embedded onto the chip, however it is likely to actually be on the package instead. [...] Assuming that this custom chip is a single chip design, with CPU and GPU, this means that AMD is handily gaining custom contracts and designing custom chip designs for its customers, even for consoles that won't have the mass western appeal such as the Xbox or Playstation.

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AMD Creates Quad Core Zen SoC with 24 Vega CUs for Chinese Consoles

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  • that's the trouble with making everything x86 DirectX boxes, it's easy enough for a large competitor to move in. Sony/Microsoft have never been able to develop a definitive identity like Nintendo has. e.g. there's no one game everybody floods to their platform for and that they control. No Mario, no Zelda, no Smash. Halo's cool and all, but there's a dozen shooters that can replace it. Same goes for Sony's first party stuff.
    • Riiiiidge Raceeeeeeer!

    • But what you describe isn't an architecture problem, it's a content/IP one. The Nintendo Switch is using a Tegra architecture that is very similar to literally billions of Android devices but they're not having the same problems with competition - because of their content and IP libraries. People want to play Mario Odyssey and Fire Emblem, and Smash Bros and Mario Kart and the latest Zelda so they go get the Nintendo product. The PS4/Xbox war on the other hand comes down to both content and price as many

  • AMD is handily gaining custom contracts and designing custom chip designs for its customers, even for consoles that won't have the mass western appeal such as the Xbox or Playstation.

    You say that as if the western market was much bigger than the Chinese market.

    Europe population 741.4 million (2016)
    U.S.A. population 325.7 million (2017)
    Mexico population 127.5 million (2016)
    Canada population 36.29 million (2016)
    Europe + U.S.A. + Mexico + Canada = 1.231 billion

    China population 1.379 billion (2016)

    Granted, not

    • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Friday August 03, 2018 @10:58AM (#57063786) Journal

      Median household income is about EIGHT TIMES higher in the US that in China.

      Median household disposable income in the US in $47,000, in China $5,271.

      OECD (2018), Household disposable income (indicator). doi: 10.1787/dd50eddd-en (Accessed on 03 August 2018)

      In other words, the US is the rich people, who can spend hundreds of dollars on games.

      98% of the world's population makes less than $25,000/year, so when you're selling expensive toys not all countries are equally important markets.

  • What's most eye opening is the stats on the Xbox One X, it still has more horsepower than all of them. Although the cores are clocked a little slower, there are double the CPU cores and almost double the GPU cores, and 50% more memory. On paper it's the winner.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      On the XBox one X, the other cores are reserved for DRM, telemetry, updates, telemetry updates, drm updates, security updates, Genuine advantage checking, and Genuine advantage updates.

      the 50% more memory is also reserved for same.

      it's not like developers can actually use them.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      yeah? and the XBOX costs $500. moore's law is over. you pay more you get more.

      • yeah? and the XBOX costs $500. moore's law is over. you pay more you get more.

        Never forget to check the accuracy of claims by random self appointed expert on the internet.

    • by Z80a ( 971949 )

      The Xbonex GPU is faster, but the CPU gets absolutely demolished.
      Those wimpy, two instruction per cycle mobile toys that the Xbox one/X use are just no match to a real CPU such as a ryzen.

      • The Xbonex GPU is faster...

        No it isn't.

      • by Khyber ( 864651 )

        Not even, the PS4 smacks the XBone left and right once you drop synthetic benchmarks and check real-world performance.

        Most "1080p" games on XBone actually render internally at 720p and get upsampled. PS4 renders 1080p internally almost all the time on the same games.

        RAM on the XBox is DDR3. PS4 has GDDR5 which has far more bandwidth. Even if the XBONE has more theoretical TFLOPS, it'll never hit that with that gimped DDR3.

        Both systems use a gimped Jaguar CPU running in the 2-sh GHz range in the updated mode

    • What's most eye opening is the stats on the Xbox One X, it still has more horsepower than all of them.

      Nonsense. Xbox One has 12 GCN compute units, this one has 24.

  • pssst. there are BILLIONS of chinese people and their government doens't like the western (free) internet. so building a custom chinese console specifically for the chinese market may be a good way to meet the growing chinese demand for games with the added benefit/limit of internet freedom! PROFIT.

    • and use hidden cameras / mics to spy on users as well.

    • so building a custom chinese console specifically for the chinese market may be a good way to meet the growing chinese demand for games with the added benefit/limit of internet freedom! PROFIT.

      Not to mention that the government probably owns a big piece of the corporation, so it's actually literal PROFIT.

    • And just like their Movie industry it will be hobbled by government goons ensuring that everything presents China in a good light and doesn't criticize anyone in government.

      Got a game that shows aliens invading? That's a no-go because it presents the Chinese government in a bad light. People like you seem to forget that those censorship controls and the thought police they use tend to destroy creative industries like this. For evidence look no farther than the Chinese film industry who can barely make a few

  • I see a future where, like the floating casino aircraft carrier being actually purchased from Ukraine by China to be an aircraft carrier in the Chinese military, these console targeted chips will be diverted into super-computer use.
    • these console targeted chips will be diverted into super-computer use

      They make their own, highly respectable supercomputing silicon. These console chips will be diverted into the hands of upwardly mobile young professionals with kids.

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