Schools Won't Like How Difficult the New iPad Is To Repair (ifixit.com) 172
Last week, Apple introduced a refreshed 9.7-inch iPad with Apple Pencil support. iFixit has published its teardown of the device this morning, and as The Verge points out, schools won't like how difficult it is to repair. From the report: The takeaway from all this is that the new iPad isn't going to be any easier to repair than prior generations, which were already borderline unrepairable. If an iPad breaks, there's almost no chance that a district will be able to repair it in-house; whereas on cheaper Chromebooks, there's a possibility an IT team could open them up to make some basic fixes. It's a weak point that it's hard to see Apple ever addressing. And since schools aren't exactly forgiving environments for a lent-out device, how well the iPad holds up to drops and dings, and how expensive it is to fix, are bound to be factors in a school's decision on which devices to adopt. Mac Rumors highlights the key findings from iFixit's teardown: The new iPad's lack of waterproofing, non-replaceable charging port, zero upgradeability, and use of glue throughout the internals added up to a "repair nightmare." iFixit then pointed towards the HP Elite x2 1012 G1 tablet, which got a perfect repairability score of 10 out of 10, summarizing that "Apple's 'education' iPad is still a case of won't -- not can't." One of the iPad's advantages in terms of repairability comes in the form of its digitizer panel easily separating from the display. iFixit pointed out that in the event that either component should break, repair will be easier for schools and educators. The sixth-gen iPad has the same battery as the previous model, with 32.9 Wh capacity. iFixit noted that while this allows Apple to reuse existing manufacturing lines to reduce waste, the battery is still locked behind a "repair-impeding adhesive" that greatly reduced the iPad's repairability score. Apple has provided easy battery removal before, in the 12.9-inch iPad Pro, but iFixit hasn't seen anything like it since. Ultimately, iFixit gave the 2018 iPad a repairability score of 2 out of 10, favoring the fairly easy repair options of its air-gapped, non-fused display and digitizer glass, but taking marks off for its heavy use of adhesive and sticky tape.
But do they need repairing? (Score:2)
The real question is not how difficult it is to repair but does it need repairing. If you're used to things that break down a lot then you think along the lines of repairing. But if something is built right it doesn't break much so repairability is a minor issue. Things should be built right and real world tough.
Yes.. (Score:5, Insightful)
You dont have children, do you.
Now consider a whole school DISTRICT full of them, with devices they dont own, and probably dont particularly like (because, school...)
Any device aimed at schools and NOT specifically designed to be both repairable and robust as hell is a conceptual failure.
This is in fact at least half the reason chromebooks are so successful in schools.. There are a wide range of chromebooks designed
to 'take the knocks' (and of course plenty that are crap, but those dont tend to last in market).
And these Ipads are NOT designed to not be broken by children. Not even close.
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Schools don't repair.
They purchase a support contract from Apple, when one breaks they issue a new one and ship the busted one back. Apple then does a factory refurb, and cycles it back in.
It's almost certainly easier and cheaper than trying to build a rugged device, which kids would break anyhow.
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I feel like this misses that point that they are not repairable, be it by the school or the vendor. You are no longer buying a support/repair contract, but a warranty/replacement contract. In your experience, do you think you would be able to get an affordable plan for a K-8 setting? I know in our district the long term maintenance costs are weighted more heavily than the initial purchase cost.
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I feel like this misses that point that they are not repairable, be it by the school or the vendor. You are no longer buying a support/repair contract, but a warranty/replacement contract.
Aside from some eco-perspective, why should a customer care? Send in broken device, get working device. How they make that happen doesn't matter if the total is lower. You could say the "worst case" would be Apple saying there's no point in repairing, just order some extra and keep a running supply of spares. It could still be the cheapest option if the product is cheaper to build that way and the savings of feasible repairs are small and far between. But if you're the vendor and collect tons of these I'm s
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How they make that happen doesn't matter if the total is lower.
I suppose that is my core question, how does the non-repairability affect the total cost of ownership? For many years now electronics have been getting tougher to repair, but they have also been getting cheaper. Are we beginning to see a tipping point? Replacing a $300 tablet isn't a huge burden for an individual, but I worry that doesn't scale well for a school district. It will be interesting to see how this goes.
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That's one thing the support contract does. It makes explicit that part of the TCO that relates to durability and reliability. If you spend $X on a device, and $Y/year on its support, and figure it will last Z years, then you've got a lot of the total cost right there. Again, you as a customer don't really care whether Apple repairs the iPads or grinds them up for unicorn food so the farts can reinforce the reality distortion field, you care about what it will cost you to keep them running.
Re:Yes.. (Score:5, Interesting)
I do. I'm also on the Parents and Citizens Committee for my kids' school. Have a guess how many iPads we've had to replace of the 800-odd currently lent out to students in the past two and a half years?
Two. One got dropped off down the bus stairs and the screen cracked. Apple replaced the screen under warranty. The other mysteriously died during an update. Again, Apple replaced under warranty.
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I do. I'm also on the Parents and Citizens Committee for my kids' school. Have a guess how many iPads we've had to replace of the 800-odd currently lent out to students in the past two and a half years?
Two. One got dropped off down the bus stairs and the screen cracked. Apple replaced the screen under warranty. The other mysteriously died during an update. Again, Apple replaced under warranty.
Remember though - he hates Apples, so he'll probably be willing to spring for thet $3,700 dollar tough book, because Windows.
The kids might like that when an update happens right in the middle of a project or test.
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Have a guess how many iPads we've had to replace of the 800-odd currently lent out to students in the past two and a half years? Two
Congrats. Out of 1200 students at my wife's school every 3 years they replaced 1200. But if you count breakage we get another 10% that don't last the 3 year life expectancy. But it's not an issue because parents pay for them.
Not that it matters. They were horrible education tools. The students have Chromebooks now and can do all that complicated crap like ... write assignments and draw graphs that the iPads were incapable of outside of a very narrowly defined and curated "experience"
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One got dropped off down the bus stairs and the screen cracked. Apple replaced the screen under warranty.
That's not a warranty. The warranty only covers defects from manufacturing that cause the item to fail prematurely.
Replacing a screen that the user broke comes under insurance. They might call it an "extended warranty" or AppleCare, but it is actually just a really expensive insurance policy.
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For stuff I buy, it would be a really expensive insurance policy, which is why I never buy extended warranties. A large organization that can negotiate rates on a large number of devices might wind up with a reasonable insurance policy.
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3-year-olds may not value their tablets in the way you're intending, but I can tell you that most grade school kids do. Most districts can barely afford a few of these for each classroom, and you can bet that when 4 kids have to share 1 tablet, there's going to be some long standing embarrassment if you're the kid that breaks that. Some districts have gone 1:1, usually by leasing the tablet to the child through a series of payments, and those all have (or at least offer) insurance plans to cover them agains
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You dont have children, do you.
Now consider a whole school DISTRICT full of them, with devices they dont own, and probably dont particularly like (because, school...) Any device aimed at schools and NOT specifically designed to be both repairable and robust as hell is a conceptual failure.
This is in fact at least half the reason chromebooks are so successful in schools.. There are a wide range of chromebooks designed to 'take the knocks' (and of course plenty that are crap, but those dont tend to last in market).
And these Ipads are NOT designed to not be broken by children. Not even close.
Here is what you are demanding - A kid can kill just about anything - but this fits your demand. The Panasonic tough book: https://www.amazon.com/Panason... [amazon.com]
And better be prepared to pay a lot more in school taxes, because thes bad boys will set you back $3,740.03.
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And these Ipads are NOT designed to not be broken by children. Not even close.
Based on the quality of assignments and work that my wife received from her students before the iPad debacle was abandoned and computers reintroduced... they aren't designed to teach children anything either.
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Actually, I do have kids. And we have Apple Macs and iOS devices. My kids are respectful and don't smash stuff. I homeschooled all of them as well. Perhaps there's the problem, public schools and parents who fail to teach their kids the first three R's: Respect, Responsibility and appReciation.
Fix the right problem.
As a parent...? (Score:2)
The limitations of the technology are frustrating. It is hard to imagine how ipads are useful in a classroom environment, other than as a tool to buy and consume content, even if "educational materials".
Chromebooks are far more useful, but horrifying from a privacy standpoint.
Does anyone know what Apple and Google do with the EULA? Are parents sent EULAs to agree to on behalf of their children? Do they waive them because they're minors and have no legal choice but to sign?
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We bought iPad Minis for my kids when they are turning 5 and 6. Upon opening, we put them into Otter Boxes, to mitigate spills and drops. In the three almsot four years we owned them, they have been used nearly every day, we have replaced the covers once, and they have endured many catastrophes. We go through more headphones and charging cables since they tend to hold and crimp the cables too much. I will concede that these are prized possessions, and are generally well cared for. That said, I think th
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Unless it's knocked off a counter while open, or otherwise damage the hinge that connects the display to the keyboard.
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From the advance math class with a desktop computer looking at a graph during math class.
Consider the other end of that bell curve and what other students do to a free new computer.
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Who cares, it's a disposable item. Apple do swap out units at a fraction of the price. At that price point, an outside repairer is not warranted. I am sure Apple themselves have a recycling strategy. We need to stop thinking about these things as an investment, they are not. They provide a service and it's up to Apple to keep them running for their DESIGN life.
Aside from a Pink Pearl or a bottle of Liquid Paper, does anyone view a piece of paper as repairable?
Are we really devaluing computers to the point that a piece of paper at least has the hope of being rescued by Scotch Tape?
This is sad.
Pay Teachers First (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's an idea: instead of siphoning off education funds buying consumer bling, how about we pay teachers so the people who are responsible for educating your kids don't have to get food stamps to survive?
Today, I heard an Oklahoma teacher lamenting the fact that her school bought tablets for the kids, but couldn't afford wi-fi, so basically, the tablets were completely worthless. Meanwhile, public schools are being starved for funds which end up going to charter schools run by political cronies which actually such even more than the public schools.
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god damned right! teachers are very underpaid. we have a screwed up sense of balance in this world when we underpay educators but overpay sports athletes.
apple stuff is hella expensive. schools have little money. I don't understand why they even CONSIDER apple shit, unless they get a 75% discount or something heavy like that.
sheesh. the thought of a school spending money so apple can be richer than rich - makes me sick to think of such a thing.
kids don't need tablets or laptops. let them learn the old
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teachers are very underpaid.
Depends on the state. I don’t believe teachers are underpaid in my home state of Washington... at least west of the Cascades.
Now if you want to say that education is underfunded overall, then you probably have a stronger case. Or, for that matter, if you wanted to argue the state hasn’t hired enough teachers - class sizes are larger than is optimal. But that’s not the same thing.
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Not really. High stress job where 50 hours can be a short work week, expected to have a masters and continue your own education, act as nurse/social worker/disciplinarian before even getting to the teaching part, and have your performance judged on factors entirely outside your control - the homes your students go to at the end of the day....the people who poo-poo teachers salaries wouldn't touch one for less than six figures.
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Watching kids play dodgeball requires an order of magnitude more mental exertion than the amount of cognitive empathy you invested in that donut-shop knee slapper.
But we'll work you up to it gradually. For starters, try walking two dogs at the same time, then gradually work your way up to three dogs on each arm.
Then we'll take your treats and your leash and your muzzle and your shock collar away and stick you into a room with 30 middle schoolers, with only your bare
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Re:Pay Teachers First (Score:5, Informative)
Now if you want to say that education is underfunded overall, then you probably have a stronger case.
Except that's not true. The U.S. spends more on education (in terms of money per pupil) than almost any other country. Teacher salaries, on the other hand, lag behind.
I don't have any good numbers for how much of our overall education spending is being spent on stuff like fancy tablets, but it certainly can't be helping. If you could, for instance, attract a better caliber of teacher by paying them $10K more, I suspect that would have a bigger influence than spending that money on buying everyone iPads.
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kids don't need tablets or laptops. let them learn the old way, first. books, when dropped CAN be fucking repaired!
You should spend some time in an actual school because you clearly have no idea what it's like these days.
Children, being children, get bored easily and need stimulation. At home they have iPads to stimulate them... If you don't want them to spend all day dreaming about what they will do when they get home, you have to compete with that.
But more than that, you have to teach them relevant life skills. Cursive handwriting is less important that keyboard skills now.
The choice of very expensive iPads is a bit o
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So they need iPads...which don't have a keyboard. Uh...
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Children, being children, get bored easily and need stimulation. At home they have iPads to stimulate them... If you don't want them to spend all day dreaming about what they will do when they get home, you have to compete with that.
Ha sounds like my school days! Anyway, something tells me suspicious that the educationware is not stimulating, rather it's slow, boring and buggy.
My only recent experience with US secondary education was that they have shiny, colourful ways of teaching the same awful way they t
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I'm with you on bringing sanity to the table RE technology in school. It is used too much, too much money is spent on tech (and buildings) instead of on education/teachers.
Not so in agreement about charter schools. My kids go to them, they save the district money (educate kids for a fraction of the cost), many of them have appropriately-limited tech (no ipads, no laptops regularly in classroom - just chromebooks in a separate room that are used when needed), and if they really screw up we can take our kids
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Most charter schools do not save money and do a worse job educating kids. There are some good charter schools, but none of them are owned by for-profit corporations.
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Only because they don't have to deal with special needs kids, are willing to have shittier teachers, and can pick & choose their students. And even then, for ever charter school that's better than a public school, there are two more charters that are worse.
If it makes you feel better (Score:2)
The tablets are popular because they're a one time expense. Better pay is a permanent increase and that means raising taxes. Until you can get people to vote for tax raises it ain't happening except in a few limited cases where the teachers can move to another state. That's what happened with the last strike. One of the nearby states was trying to poach the teachers. There's a bit of a
The problem isn't funding for public schools (Score:2)
The problem is school administration. The number of non-teaching administrative staff [heritage.org] has more than doubled in 45 years, far outpacing growth in number of teachers or students. They control how funds for education are spent. Basically every time we increase spending on education, the administrators use it raise their own pay
FWIW: That HP tablet starts at $1469 (Score:2)
Is repairability important in an iPad? (Score:4, Interesting)
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They do die. I had a digitizer fail on an ipad mini, it was rarely used in the 2 years before it failed. Replacing the digitizer was difficult, but not impossible. These are common issues.
absolutes (Score:5, Interesting)
We have now reached the era where students, when appropriate for their age and learning needs, now have access to equipment that's:
- more computationally capable than they ever had before,
- squeezed into a package smaller and longer lasting than ever before,
- available at a price undreamt of years ago,
- able to be connected to more resources than ever before?
Or is it just, "why is this thing so hard to fix?"
Now, whether they're appropriate for kids at a certain age of school is for a separate discussion.
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- able to be connected to more resources than ever before?
That one is contentious. The iPad is incredibly limiting compared to a laptop or even a chrome book in what they are capable of (or specifically what the walled garden provided software is capable of).
The battery. (Score:2)
The sixth-gen iPad has the same battery as the previous model, with 32.9 Wh capacity. iFixit noted that while this allows Apple to reuse existing manufacturing lines to reduce waste, the battery is still locked behind a "repair-impeding adhesive" that greatly reduced the iPad's repairability score.
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So the single consumable part in these devices, the battery, might come from an older device but still can't be replaced.
And this is how they're reducing waste? Colour me unimpressed.
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The batteries aren't from older devices... they're the same as the type used by older devices. They aren't reused post-consumer items.
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The sixth-gen iPad has the same battery as the previous model, with 32.9 Wh capacity. iFixit noted that while this allows Apple to reuse existing manufacturing lines to reduce waste, the battery is still locked behind a "repair-impeding adhesive" that greatly reduced the iPad's repairability score.
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So the single consumable part in these devices, the battery, might come from an older device but still can't be replaced.
And this is how they're reducing waste? Colour me unimpressed.
What an idiot!
Re-read the statement from Apple. They aren't recycling BATTERIES, they are reusing MANUFACTURING LINES, so they don't have to build a whole new PRODUCTION LINE to BUILD the iPad 6's Batteries, because they could use the same PRODUCTION LINE as the one that already makes the previous-model's batteries.
Jesus, you Haters are Stupid!
Schools don't normally repair iPads... (Score:5, Interesting)
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That's insane.
For a start, unless Apple Care was free then an insurance policy covering the whole fleet would be much, much, much cheaper. Get a policy with new-for-old and some spare units, and it would be faster than waiting for Apple to do the repair too.
And getting the parents to pay for damage? Schools often have expensive equipment for science classes, IT, gym etc. Maybe it's different in the US but it's all insured here. Imagine if a company billed employees for damaged equipment; no one would dare t
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Since I don't have another apple device, I can't create a child account and my kids are stuck with "over age 13" accounts.
I've contacted the district, the EFF, and anyone who will listen.
The district next door [noblesvilleschools.org] seems t
Not Only The Same Repairability as Other Options (Score:2)
Not only does this iPad have EXACTLY the same ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" as many, many of the reasonably-priced alternatives to this iPad (which their "comparison example" is, at THREE TIMES the price, is most assuredly NOT!); but their ARBITRARY "Repairability Score" completely overlooks some extremely important points; which, if iFixit wan't being totally ARBITRARY in their scoring, by not taking the simple step if factoring-in what is MOST LIKELY to break in a particular product.
1. Hardly anything e
Schools (Score:2)
Will care about repairability of the new iPad exactly as much as they did before. As in, ânot giving a flying fuckâ. This idea that the western world is supposedly filled with large organizations that repair their hardware is quite hilarious. In the real world and especially in large organizations NOBODY does that.
You're kidding (Score:2, Insightful)
You mean after all those times I've asked if, when buying a Mac, you have to throw it out after three years or when something breaks because all the parts are welded together and I got downmodded, that I've been telling the truth?
I'm shocked!
Repairable? (Score:2)
Are they suggesting IPads were repairable to start with?
Why are schools using pricey hipster IT kit? (Score:2)
Flawed Premise (Score:2)
Schools don't fix iOS devices, they buy AppleCare and have Apple fix them. After 3 years they start ditching devices when they break, replacing them with new devices that also come with 3 year warranties.
Buying half-price Apple devices (compared with windows 10 tablet from HP) allows schools to have a device that costs as much as the HP tablet, has a 6 year lifespan, and is bought in two separate payments 3 years apart.
The math:
Buy 1st iPad w/ AppleCare $350
Three years later, buy 2nd iPad w/ AppleCare $350
T
Waste of time and money (Score:2)
ICT use, as currently practised in primary and secondary education, shows no evidence of academic benefit to students or teachers, while also showing an inverse correlation with decreased academic performance (OECD, 2015). iPads/tablets, laptops, smartphones, etc., in schools are more of a problem than a benefit. Why are taxpayers giving all this money and wasting all their children's and young adults' time with this nonsense?
Yes, there is a specific argument for school pupils to learn to use office softwar
Re:Can iFixit die already? (Score:5, Informative)
Thank you for this. I sit on a Board of Education for a 5,000+ student district and talk to many other districts. NOBODY is repairing their own tablets. most can't even be bothered to reload toner.
There's a service contract for everything and there isn't enough money in the budget to hire someone to work on this. Most districts I know struggle to keep their networks up and have technicians running at breakneck speed just to fix wireless connections and printer drivers. Repairability may be something a single home user with a tech background cares about, but it's not something that large institutions do.
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Thank you for this. I sit on a Board of Education for a 5,000+ student district and talk to many other districts. NOBODY is repairing their own tablets. most can't even be bothered to reload toner.
There's a service contract for everything and there isn't enough money in the budget to hire someone to work on this. Most districts I know struggle to keep their networks up and have technicians running at breakneck speed just to fix wireless connections and printer drivers. Repairability may be something a single home user with a tech background cares about, but it's not something that large institutions do.
THe "Ermagherd! we cern't ferx iPerds!" bullshit is just that - bullshit, promoted by Windows chauvinists.
What is amusing is the implied comparison with Chromebooks. I like me a chromebook, but I've had one stripped apart, and your run of the mill IT guy or gal isn't going to disassemble and fix it. It will take hours, if not days - unless they keep lots of all of the spare parts on hand. And then when it is finished, is it going to be reliable? No one in a school system is going to take that responsibi
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This is somewhat irrelevant to the point you're making, but the thing I like about Chromebooks is the ability for me to install a community-supported open source operating system. It's the same with the Nexus line and my iPod Classic. With phones especially, there is a limited time frame for security updates. With Chromebooks, Google only provides updates for a specific period of time just like with phones. And the iPod Classic stopped selling a long time ago (I'm using Rockbox on it).
Your post made me think about something. Until I wrecked my Chromebook, I had installed Ubuntu Mate on it, and loved it. Then I spilled a full cup of coffee on it and my ultra cheap Linux lappy died a horrible death. But I digress.
If we had a group of budding geeks in junior high, a chromebook to alter would be about as much fun as a technically inclined kid could have, don't you think? Of course, kids being kids, there would be a lot of wrecked OS instances. But a Chromebook is so easy to restore that
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It is not that simple.
Service contracts with the manufacturer are fine, but usually slow. This is why companies who need repairs quickly often use third party service contractors, who can, if required, even perform repairs on site as they come.
I am one such part time contractor for a major airline. They used to use Windows CE handhelds for their onboard duty free sales, I used to repair their handhelds. I am not officially qualified to do so, all I know about repairing phones, tablets and so on comes from m
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Yup. All the things listed in the summary seem to be plusses as far as schools are concerned, except for possible issues with delicate screens and waterproofing, which really apply to nearly any electronic device.
Before optical mice, we used to purposely glue mice shut so the kids wouldn't steal the balls.
Re:Can iFixit die already? (Score:5, Insightful)
I'll avoid most of the careless flamebait in that message since you know nothing about me, my history, or the district, children and tax payers I volunteer my time for and instead merely point to one of the most public instances of a school district deploying iPads (LA) and the fact that even they didn't repair them, they had it in the contract that Apple would: http://laschoolreport.com/ipad... [laschoolreport.com]
Are there large districts that can support hiring a staff of IT people competent enough to repair and support a $200-$400 device? I'm sure there probably are. Is that the norm? You're right, I don't have a large sample size to draw from, but my gut tells me that it's not cost-effective for anything but the very largest institutions who probably have the pricing power to negotiate support when they purchase them anyway.
I'd argue that contrary to your inflammatory comment, it's most responsible for us "idiots" to look at the cost analysis of failure rate x cost to repair + training vs. service contract and choose the lowest cost option. In my district's case, we look at each situation and decide on the most appropriate tool for the job and ensure that our stuff has the proper training to use said devices. That meant a slow rollout of Chromebooks to select classrooms with qualified staff who tested and implemented curriculum supported by those devices, and then they trained their peers and the rollout continued. For the youngest students, iPads made the most sense as they are more comfortable with the touch interface, but I suspect most future devices in the district will be Chromebooks (but that decision also has nothing to do with repairability). By the way, the keyboards on those (Lenovo) devices are the highest point of failure and, yes, we can fix that ourselves.
Re: Can iFixit die already? (Score:2)
We're talking roofing and HVAC Maintenance, budgeting for that is Accounting 101.
The thing you are missing is that school districts can't take tax revenues this year and put them aside for next year - they can't budget to put aside 5% of the cost of a new HVAC system each year over the projected 20 year life of the unit.
I worked for a school district in NJ that had built up a 'rainy-day' fund of about $1M to handle 'emergency expenses', but once the state found out about it the district was forced to fold the money back into the annual budget, which reduced tax increases because of the
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Windows 10 is a full blown retard convention, not an OS.
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Stallman is in favor of forced updates, forced installs of crapware, and operating systems that are not only built from the ground up to monetize you, but may as well have been written by the NSA? None of which applies to iOS...
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whoosh
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projection
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self awareness
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Facts never have gotten in the way of the Hatorade Distortion Field.
Re:Can iFixit die already? (Score:5, Insightful)
That HP tablet is a full blown Windows 10 device that can run any program Windows 10 can, albeit a bit slower. The iPad runs a mobile OS that is nowhere near as capable as OSX and can't even begin to load full blown desktop progrmas.
Right, but the iOS pad does not runWindows 10, which is great selling feature all by itself.
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After 20 minutes the system rebooted with a nice GRUB menu. From what I have read Linux Install on that HP tablet is almost the same.
Besided I've had a Nexus tablet and I have used an iPad also. Having windows means that you can easily run almo
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Right, but the iOS pad does not runWindows 10, which is great selling feature all by itself.
You clearly have never taught a class that do everything on iPads. My wife has taught in 2 schools who had abandoned the failure that was iOS in education for a system that actually allows you to do basic things such as: what you need to rather than what the walled garden will permit you to.
So yes, Windows 10 is a great selling feature compared to iOS even if you were trying to be facetious.
Re: Can iFixit die already? (Score:2)
What's the big draw, that it's paperless? Check how many reams the schools have bought, I doubt it has decreased at all. And besides paper is easier to recycle than an iPad. They do get to learn the interface I guess - as if they wouldn't alre
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What would they need to do on an iPad, really?
iPads are used by most schools for kindergarten and 1st grade. They use them for basic tap-and-drag apps like phonics and single digit arithmetic.
Of course a Chromebook will be better for older kids, but not for the very young. They can't use a keyboard if they haven't learned the alphabet.
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What would they need to do on an iPad, really?
Nothing. The problem is a case of "have iPad, must use to justify having iPad". Seriously the amount of time wasted on the iPad doing things that could be better done on either computer or in many cases even pen and paper was incredible.
The paper free office is absurd enough, the paper free school is frigging ridiculous and it's no surprise it failed. About the only benefit it gave was not having to lug around textbooks, but surprise surprise there's a lack of software that allows students to make notes in
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Can you even name a single area of study they weren't able to do? Sounds more like the Hatorade Distortion Field in action. And if you absolutely, positively had to use a Windows program for some reason, you could install Microsoft Remote Desktop [apple.com] and use it as a remote app.
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Can you even name a single area of study they weren't able to do?
Weren't able to is not the same as having something that helps. The students were "able" to complete all their classes. What they did in those classes were was fudge around endlessly wasting time with software not suited to the task.
Yes we have digital textbooks now, only to have students bring in paper textbooks anyway so they could scribble in the margins. Digital note taking didn't happen because who the hell likes typing on a shitty keyboard cover or a touch screen when you can just write on a piece of
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Can you even name a single area of study they weren't able to do? Sounds more like the Hatorade Distortion Field in action. And if you absolutely, positively had to use a Windows program for some reason, you could install Microsoft Remote Desktop [apple.com] and use it as a remote app.
No Apple product has ever worked, and no Apple product ever will. In fact, thousands of youngsters are killed every year by exploding iPads. Even more were harmed by the poisonous glass and radioactive metal parts purposefully put in them.
The only cure comrades, is to stop buying Apple products, and only ust the Windows 10 devices, which al have 100 percent uptime, never have a problem, and never need any support. Perfection personified.
In recent tests, Windows OS devices were shown to increase st
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Right, but the iOS pad does not runWindows 10, which is great selling feature all by itself.
But the fact that it doesn't run anything of value either isn't.
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Let's be honest, "iOS or Windows 10" is basically "turd burger or shit sandwich".
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Let's be honest, "iOS or Windows 10" is basically "turd burger or shit sandwich".
Look at this one - Windows 10 use is dropping!!
https://www.techrepublic.com/a... [techrepublic.com]
Maybe schools could get windows 7 computers? I've had to get a lot of W10 computers running properly again when Windows screws the pooch on them. Windows 7 at least works well. But it's hard to imagine after all this time that we'd see a drop in W10 and an increase in W7 OS use.
I have W7 running in Bootcamp on my Mac and it's been 100 percent uptime. My Windows basic breakfast computer will update over insecure connection
Re:Can iFixit die already? (Score:5, Insightful)
So? With a bluetooth keyboard you can write papers or do research just as well on an iPad as that HP tablet. And if you absolutely positively ermagerd need to use Windows programs for a class - just install Microsoft Remote Desktop [apple.com] and connect to a terminal server to run Autocad (or whatever). Something you could afford with the cost savings over the HP Way.
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Yeah, the lack of mouse support is annoying. They've had 'force touch' out for four years now, so they have functional right-clicking already in the system.
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What tests are you speaking of, that aren't done on pencil and paper?
Re:No more difficult than previous iPads (Score:5, Insightful)
Redundant news - could have easily said "new iPad no harder to repair than previous models."
But that wouldn't be clickbaity enough.
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Thank you for enlightening us with your contemporary, relevant anecdote.
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I can guarantee you the thing still holds true, it is more expensive to do a swap out than repair, especially if repair can be done on-site by techs instead of needing to go to a repair depot.
Cuz guess what? I still do repairs to this day, on top of dozens of other things I do.
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Thank you for the nudge. It's about time to uncomment the localhost slashdot mapping in my hosts file. It's as if I'm drawn to this place like an abusive spouse.
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There's really no scenario in which an iPad is superior to a Chromebook for teaching students.
Yes, kids may clamor for iPads.. but they'd be clamoring for a lot of useless / fun things if they had the option.
Actually, Apple has already released a TV Ad which would belie your assertion. Using SOME Chromebooks, You MIGHT be able to do the Project that the students in the commercial did with the iPad, but it certainly would be much more clumsy:
https://youtu.be/IprmiOa2zH8 [youtu.be]
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Liked their 1000$ devices assembled with hot glue and sticky tape! tsk, tsk....
Which would make them EXACTLY the same as EVERY other tablet.
Now what?