Move Over Moore's Law, Make Way For Huang's Law (ieee.org) 55
Tekla Perry writes: Are graphics processors a law unto themselves? Nvidia's Jensen Huang says a 25-times speedup over five years is evidence that they are. He calls this the 'supercharged law,' and says it's time to start counting advances on multiple fronts, including architecture, interconnects, memory technology, and algorithms, not just circuits on a chip.
Circuits on a chip? (Score:1)
Re:Circuits on a chip? (Score:5, Informative)
Moore's Law: the density of devices (transistors) that can be packed into a microchip doubles roughly every 18 months.
Re:Circuits on a chip? (Score:5, Insightful)
Or phrased more colloquially, if partially inaccurately:
Moore's Law: every 18 months, the speed of hardware doubles.
Gates' Law: every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
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Moore's Law: the density of devices (transistors) that can be packed into a microchip doubles roughly every 18 months.
It is not actually the density of transistors but the number of transistors for a given cost. This can be accomplished by density increases but also by ICs which are larger in area. It is often done at the expense of transistor performance.
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Moore's Law is an economic one, not a strictly a technological one. Although, keeping it going depends on semiconductor processes getting finer.
The costs per nanoacre more-or-less follow a predictable curve relative to how bleeding-edge a process is required to fabricate a chip. If you need a really old process, availability will be low, so demand will push the costs up. If you're using the latest, availability is low and yields will initially be low, so the costs are way up. Everything in-between is pr
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Lost my mod points - too slow to mod, too lazy to be faster -lol-
Someone please mod this +1 INFORMATIVE
Re:Everyone gets a law now (Score:5, Funny)
Everyone gets a law now
Yes, that's the well known "Anonymous Coward's Law".
Let's just call it what it is: (Score:2)
Bitcoin's Law. It's all about hashes per second and still a pointless metric!
Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think we need a Huang's law. If you asks what Huang's Law is, everyone will just say it's like Moore's law except applied to GPU's.
Same applies to all those other people who want to name things after themselves.
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AmiMoJo forgot his password again.
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I think the attractive aspect of Moore's law was that it was simple and everyone got the general gist. Some people like to argue about the details but they mostly don't have anything else to do with their time.
I don't think we need a Huang's law. If you asks what Huang's Law is, everyone will just say it's like Moore's law except applied to GPU's.
Same applies to all those other people who want to name things after themselves.
True. The generalized Moore's law is that everything in computers were improving at exponential rates just with different doubling rates.
And since Moore's law is based on his last name, wouldn't it be Jensen's Law if they really wanted to make a counter law?
we kind of have (Score:4, Insightful)
Hobbiests have for a while, ever since last-generation AMD stumbled and Intel slowed down the processor speed increases for a while. Now that Ryzen is out, graphics chips are ruling desktops, and no one cares about Intel in the mobile space, we're finally seeing progress get back toward Moore's Law's long-term trend line.
Re:we kind of have (Score:4, Funny)
The same way Gandalf did. Duh.
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Some people are just wierd up wrong.
Cost vs. performance (Score:1)
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Lol, if you're going to put it like that then there's been barely any improvement what-so-ever for gamers at the median price point.
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Nothing to do with speed. (Score:2)
Moore's Law exclusively talked about transistor count. Speed aside:
GTX 770 in 2013 : 3.5bn transistors.
GTX 1070 in 2017: 7.2bn transistors
Moore's law is dead, but not because you defeated it, but because you failed to live up to it just like the CPU vendors did.
We have been counting advances on multiple fronts since the Intel Core architecture debuted 12 years ago, but welcome to the 21st century Jensen Huang.
Let's not call any and all predictions laws (Score:3)
Lol (Score:1)
Is GPU still an accurate term? (Score:2)
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The appropriate term now is GPGPU.
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Well, first, the transition to ray tracing started in March already: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Also, GPGPU stands for "General-purpose computing on graphics processing units": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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There are countless demos showing realtime ray tracing, usually showing off what ray tracing does well, like reflection and refraction.
However, in practice, it doesn't do much that rasterization can't do better with the same budget. And raytracing doesn't solve the problem of global illumination, which is what most people are working on right now.
Actually, modern engines use a wide variety of techniques depending on what needs to be displayed, some of them close to ray tracing. It is much too early for gene
Quantum Computers (Score:1)
So Quantum computers are roughly following Moore's Law in their power. Are we going to rename that to the Q's Law.?
Suggestion For Name Change (Score:2)
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Huang's Kind of Matches A Couple Years of Data
13 months (Score:3)
The Law you should worry about (Score:2)
500x Faster DGX-2 Costs $400,000! (Score:2)
The DGX-2 which is 500x faster than 2 GTX 580s is also 500 times more expensive!
https://www.nextplatform.com/2... [nextplatform.com]