Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ Launched (raspberrypi.org) 164
New submitter stikves writes: The Raspberry foundation has launched an incremental update to the Raspberry Pi 3 model B: Raspberry Pi 3 Model B+ . In addition to slight increase (200MHz) in CPU speed, and upgraded networking (802.11ac and Gigabit, albeit over USB2), one big advantage is the better thermal management which allows sustained performance over longer load periods. Further reading: TechRepublic, and Linux Journal.
Neat, but not really needed... (Score:3, Insightful)
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If the price is the same, would you pick up the original version or the latest version? Probably not.
You also probably missed the part about better manufacturing procedure resulting in more stability, resulting in faster clock. But then again 90% of the people write a comment after reading only the first 10% of the article.
Re:Neat, but not really needed... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re: Neat, but not really needed... (Score:2)
I would, for lower power consumption and heat.
That's ass backwards. All else being equal, a more modern CPU will generally produce less heat and use less power when given the same task.
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But then again 90% of the people write a comment after reading only the first 10% of the article.
But then again 90% of the people write a comment after reading only the first 10% of the summary.
The real pros don't even read the post that they are replying to . . .
TFS and TFA are for newbs (Score:4, Funny)
I just read the slashdot UID and let fly.
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I just read the slashdot UID and let fly.
You interest me strangely.
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Depends what you're using it for. People will upgrade them regardless, the price isn't an issue for many. It's just a matter if you really want to bother updating it if it runs fine for what it's doing?
Depends on needs (Score:2)
People wanting to do small tinkering projects, or file servers, or whatever
are probably all happy with the Raspberry 1 (I certainly am).
People wanting to do video processing (which was the initial target of this class of chips by Broadcom anyway) are probably happier with more Mhz giving more power to offload h264 (and partial h265) to the hardware.
People using it as a retro gaming machine are also happier with more Mhz giving faster / more precise emulation.
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The B has more USB ports, and the 3B has built-in wifi. Not needing to attach hubs, hats, etc. is a reason for people whose projects require those to get a newer model.
Use cases, ago (Score:3)
I have a NAS with an Intel Atom CPU from a decade ago that will still run circles around any PI setup.
Good for you, but that's not my use case. Don't need the giant bandwidth. Only need the extreme low power to serve files at video-playing bandwidth. A glorified networked USB stick, if you want.
Combined with printing service (can locally print a file that was updated to it, circumventing limitations of a locked-down windows laptop with no admin account to install printer drivers).
Could also install rtorrent on it, for occasionnal download.
Coupled with a couple of other similar extremely simple services.
Your
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It depends on what you want to do. For a lot of projects the original pi is sufficient but not all improvements are speed related. I'd at least go with a 2B+ or a Pi Zero if I was worried about power constraints and didn't need a lot of CPU. I do still have 2 original Pi units in use as surveillance cams but have been thinking of replacing them with the zero W units.
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Maybe you'll be dismissive of my use case... while I use a couple of them where speed certainly does not matter, I did put one in an arcade cabinet and more speed would have been pretty sweet. Even without overclocking, it could emulate most games up to around the turn of the millenium... more power could only improve that situation.
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Am I the only one that still uses the original Raspberry Pi?
A follow up question:
Has anyone owned one that broke down . . . ?
I've got three or the original B's, and all of them are going strong. If one breaks, I'll replace it. Otherwise the resources are fine for the things I use it for.
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The only thing that's ever "broken" on my original model B's are not technically the Pi: The external power supply, and the SD card.
I've had a few original model B's running more or less continuously since they were first released. (I do reboot for kernel updates).
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Am I the only one that still uses the original Raspberry Pi?
A follow up question:
Has anyone owned one that broke down . . . ?
I've got three or the original B's, and all of them are going strong. If one breaks, I'll replace it. Otherwise the resources are fine for the things I use it for.
My original pi will no longer boot :( but both my rpi2 and rpi3 are going strong! I was going to buy a couple W+ today but it's limit 1 and shipping is almost as much as the board so I'll wait a tad longer.
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I have a RP2 that's dying (hardware errors)
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Am I the only one that still uses the original Raspberry Pi?
A follow up question:
Has anyone owned one that broke down . . . ?
I've got three or the original B's, and all of them are going strong. If one breaks, I'll replace it. Otherwise the resources are fine for the things I use it for.
I have a mix of Pi Zero, ZeroW, B+, 2, and 3. I have 9 in total and every one runs perfect. I have only ever replaced one flaky microSD card. I learned to never get the kits with the included microSD card.
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I had a 3 that the WiFi died after about 3 hours.
Frustrating!
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My $99 SheevaPlug is still going strong.
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I still have a pair of these - one's my offsite backup machine - and they still work well, although the single USB port is becoming a limiting factor.
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Although presumably you've had to replace the PSU after the magic smoke got out?
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You are not the only one. But I also use 2's and 3's.
Now I've got to wonder if I need bigger power supplies for the 3B+
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Max power use for the 3B+ should be roughly the same, constant power usage is ~100mA higher if you leave the WiFi and ethernet both enabled.
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A multimeter, on a lot of SBCs you can also ask the power control electronics through linux devices for the current power reading, not sure if the rpi 3B+ has such an interface or not, was just reporting what I saw on a blog post. They said that the combination of gigE and 802.11ac dual band had raised constant power demands unless you shut one or both down.
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Getting a bigger PSU is more a function on whether you hook up many external devices (HAT's, USB devices, etc.)
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Am I the only one that still uses the original Raspberry Pi?
Nope, I still have five or six...
Though the newer Raspberry Pi B+ models have an improved "hat" hardware interface. [raspberrypi.org] which wasn't as robust or standardized with the original Model B.
CPU speed has never been the selling point of em to me.
The improvements are far more than the SoC powering the Pi 2 & 3:
The Pi 2&3 are also able to deliver more power to audio/video interfaces, to USB devices, and to attached Hat's. I don't have to worry about plugging in a USB device and the Pi going into an unusuable state due to the USB device drawing power.
The Pi 2&3
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Nope. Original Pi makes a sweet print server.
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I'm still using the original Raspberry PI for various things. It works fine. Mind you, this is in an industrial setting too. I've been using them as HMI screens, information screens and a lot of other little things.
They've been easy to manage and update. I haven't had any of them go out either, if they do, no problem as I just plug in a brand new beefier raspberry pi. The only thing I dislike about them is the power connector, but I've been able to resolve that with a soldering iron to make a better connect
Moar RAM! (Score:4, Insightful)
I would be more satisfied with doubling the ram than the AC wireless.
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The SD card is insanely slow. So slow USB booting is a known major performance boost. The Pi needs an M.2 or mSATA connector for an SSD.
I'm looking for the Pi C+ with hardware ANN (the new MIT design, preferably, if cheap enough) and M.2, along with 8G RAM. A hardware RAM accelerator would be nice, too; but software memory compression actually has incredibly-high performance, so much that running nearly 50% if your RAM at 3:1 doesn't show a visible performance hit for most workloads.
It might be tech
Buy a better board (Score:3)
Apparently no one knows the original reason for building the Pi. It was to have the absolute cheapest platform to hack on for students. You need a better CPU or a SATA port? Pony up that extra $20 and buy something better.
Re:Buy a better board (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is, the Pi has something a lot of other boards don't - a community. Most alternative Pi boards are released with outdated software and that's it - the manufacturer stops supporting it and it rots. But eh Raspberry Pi is well supported and kept up to date by a while pile of people, who are able and willing to help people with their problems.
The Pi's greatest asset is not the hardware, but the fact there's a huge community willing to help you out.
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But it has become so much more than that now than just for students to toy around with. They're all over the place and being used for a lot of things, including even critical stuff lately. They've proven to be quite reliable and cheap to replace if necessary. Building redundant Raspberry Pi systems is a snap to do, since they're so cheap and with linux, easy to do. The size itself is a big plus. Hell, I've seen a guy build an entire machine out of a Raspberry Pi, no PLC. And quite a few big name industrial
Re:Moar RAM! (Score:5, Informative)
The SD card is insanely slow.
If that's your concern, then you can always network boot the Pi-3, which is a better option for reliability anyway.
At the end of the day, though, with the Raspberry Pi, you will always use a somewhat dated Broadcom SoC. (The Pi's designers are Broadcom employees).
Those SoC's aren't "general purpose" devices. The Pi is cheap because it repurposes a chip that is produced by the billion and designed for TV's, set top boxes, and disc players. The SoC's are designed to handle a few MiB/sec of HD Video, to be decoded & pushed via HDMI. They can do GPU tasks to give the set-top box a better UI. They are not designed for serious I/O.
The Pi is designed, first, foremost, and always, to be cheap. Every single one of the performance enhancements you mention don't matter to the million-unit lot SoC's used for set top boxes, and would require custom chips, driving the cost beyond the Pi foundation's goals.
If you want the latest and greatest technologies, then you better expect to pay dearly for them. The Pi uses old tech because it's cheap.
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Yep, and this is why I want these features in the Pi: it's the de-facto, the one that everyone targets.
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Most projects don't need more RAM. I don't use the pi as a desktop and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone for that use. I've got an old core2duo 2.8ghz laptop with 4GB of RAM and 500GB drive I picked up for 50 bucks that serves most of my surfing needs. The pi can't compete with that but the laptop can't do what the pi can do either.
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More RAM is only needed for stuff that the Pi sucks at anyway. It uses more power on a device where every micro amp is jealously hoarded. As for power ANY good quality cell charger works fine with it. They're dirt cheap. The Pi is all about frugality. I've got a Mac Pro with 12 cores and 64GB of RAM already but I can't stick that under the eaves of my house with a Pi NOIR camera and run it off of a solar panel and battery.
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The guy writing the FOSS graphics driver for the VideoCore 4 has been updating his work for as yet unreleased hardware. When this new VideoCore 5 will show up in a Pi is anyone's guess.
Also PoE (Score:2, Interesting)
I can't believe this was left out of the summary: This board breaks out PoE and they are working on a HAT that will convert 48V PoE to the 5V required for the Pi. Or you can use it for other purposes.
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It's 802.3 AF mode A & B, just in case anyone was wondering like I was what version. Also the 802.11ac upgrade is very nice since it means support for the less crowded 5GHz band, it also uses the superior cavity antenna from the pi zero so wireless performance in marginal signal situations should be about 2x the previous model.
what is the point of gig-e when all io is on 1 usb (Score:2)
what is the point of gig-e when all io is on 1 usb bus?
Re:what is the point of gig-e when all io is on 1 (Score:5, Interesting)
For one, gigabit means that you could in theory get nearly half a gigabit, which is still higher than 100 mbit.
For another, and this is rare, there do exist network switches in the world that do not negotiate lower than 1 gigabit. I've only seen one model from one vendor so far that did this, and I think that product flopped in part due to inability to handle 100 mbit, but if I've seen one, there's probably more.
Finally, it may not be possible to get a 100 mbit NIC anymore, or at least do so and get any savings out of it. It's like in embedded you have flash parts that are 80% empty, because the cheapest flash parts are now still 4x the size some of these applications need.
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Previous model topped off at ~60Mbps, new model can do 330Mbps so even if you're pumping it back out to another I/O device you still could theoretically get ~160Mbps which is a significant improvement.
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what is the point of gig-e when all io is on 1 usb bus?
From the article:
"While the USB 2.0 connection to the application processor limits the available bandwidth, we still see roughly a threefold increase in throughput compared to Raspberry Pi 3B."
You'd have to generate a lot of IO to drop below the original 3B throughput.
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Mr. Owl: Why do I need 10 Mbps ethernet card for $1,000 when my computer can barely sustain 1 Mbps?
Mr. Owl says: it's not all about your node's sustained throughput. It's about the capacity of the network you are connected to. Higher bits per second means higher capacity and therefore ability to have more packets flowing, although not necessary to and from your node.
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Um, asynchronous switches with buffers have been a thing since forever, this isn't a tokenring network.
Pi Day Release Date (Score:1)
An old stupid joke - (Score:2)
Speaking seriously, the RPI 3 B+ is a good start to learn hardware and computing of the physical world.
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I was once walking out of a marina at night and saw a couple of teenagers parked across the parking lot. I finished loading stuff in my car, locked the gate, and noticed that they weren't making out anymore, they were standing behind the car and she looked irritated. So I walked over and asked if everything was okay. He said the car wouldn't start, and demonstrated. I said it sounded an awful lot like a dead battery, but he vehemently denied that could be the case. I talked him into letting me hook up
Was excited (Score:2)
The biggest improvement in the RPi I've been looking forward to is USB3/GBe. It's nice in the model 3 they added GBe, but it's pretty much pointless if you go and plug it into a USB2 port.
Real World Expected Speeds:
Thus, on the RPi3, GBe @ USB2 speeds means, MAYBE 14MB/s, BUT as others have noted, other IO devices on the RPIs share the same bus, so real-world speeds will be less. UGH.
Network AND storage over a shared USB 2 bus? (Score:2)
Network AND storage over a shared USB 2 bus?
Nah, no thanks.
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What you're building a $35 file server and expecting commercial level performance or something?
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Orange Pi is cheaper and doesn't cheap out on the storage and networking like the Raspberry Pi does.
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Which one? There's about a million models, all with pros and cons. You see anytime anyone says something is better than something else without asking details about the application for a device this versatile they are instantly wrong.
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That's not how logic works. I guess it's working out for you somehow.
Every Orange Pi performs better than Raspberry Pi when it comes to storage and networking. There you are.
Source: I own every Raspberry Pi and four different Orange Pi models and have benchmarked each.
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Every Orange Pi performs better than Raspberry Pi when it comes to storage and networking.
Maybe you should spend less time benchmarking and more time re-reading what I wrote. But by all means you can keep doubling down with the exact opposite of the point I was making.
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Does the Raspberry Pi offer iLo or other remote system management options? Battery-backed hardware RAID?
That's kind of poor (Score:2)
They still don't have gigabit networking on board? The orange pi does I believe at near half the cost.
Very happy with my pi's but using networking over USB is simply not going to happen
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If you're planning on putting together a NAS you might consider the HC2 [hardkernel.com]-- I have one myself and it was a snap to set up.
Re: 64 bit OS ? (Score:2)
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My HC2 sysbench's about half as fast as my Dell XPS 13 9360 (2017). That's more than enough performance for me because it's just a NAS after all not a big server running MRI analysis or anything.
Re: 64 bit OS ? (Score:2)
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The Rock64 has all this and more. I have one - 1gb model was $25. Took almost a month for it to arrive in the States but was what I needed - specifically AES decryption in hardware. They have a cool $99 notebook based on a pi-like board too: https://www.pine64.org/ [pine64.org]
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I would like to see a Pi with some GPU that could be used for some VR, high-fidelity 3D gaming, and perhaps some GPU-optimized deep learning.
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I was more hoping to see the Raspberry being able to be fed from a PoE switch.
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Not this time. No USB 3.0 ports. It's got gigabit Ethernet but it's still interfaced by USB 2, so the effective speed limit is around 300 Mbps. It also has 802.11ac, but again the performance is held back by USB. And the USB bottleneck remains if you are also using USB for other things.
The bump in processor speed, and the improved thermal management so you actually get the speed, are useful improvements. People embedding the Pi in commercial products will appreciate the new board's RF certification, making
UEFI compliant (Score:5, Informative)
Starting from Raspberry Pi 3 (can't find any information about Raspberry Pi 2 version 1.2 which use the same CPU as Pi3, not as earlier Pi2s), the U-boot bootloader is UEFI compliant and several Linux distributions's (such as, for example, openSUSE Tumbleweed) AArch64 image can be run in 64bits mode.
source: tumbleweed's wiki entry about Raspberry Pi 3 [opensuse.org].
So there should be a way to load Debian AArch64 on your Pi.
(But of course it will be less optimized/geared toward Pi than a real Raspbian 64)
From what I've read in forums and interviews, there isn't a plan to do Raspbian64 in the immediate future, due to lots of 32bits (ARM6 or 7) Pis still in the wild, and the Rasberry Pi Foundation wanting not to dilute their resources over too many goals.
(Then I'm sure that the gentoo people have their own flavour completely optimized to the bone for 64bit Pi)
Criteria of "better" (Score:4, Interesting)
Depends on your criteria defining better.
One could also consider the opensource friendliness of the chipset :
- Broadcom's VideoCore is one of the few ARM chips where everything running on the ARM core can be opensource upstream code (Raspbian updates its kernel regularily). All the proprietary blobs are restricted to the DSPs handling video. You can even run without them [github.com] (specially if you aren't interested in processing video, but use the pi as a micro server).
(The Freescale family of chips selected by Purism for their Librem 5 smartphone is another example that can be run 100% of opensource).
(I suspect that the RISC-V will also bring interesting free-software friendliness)
- Lots of other chips limits you to kernel version "whatever happened to be popular on Android back then, now you're stuck with it". You're stuck with antique kernels full of blobs.
One could consider the community :
Raspberry Pis are among the most popular SBC, have gathered a ginormous community of users.
That means you can easily find tons of answers for common questions easily on forums and other web ressources,
lots of add-on products will be specially be designed with raspberries in mind
etc.
In the few case I've researched the subject: the cases of cheaper board with higher-clocked CPUs and more features touted on the bullet list provided by the marketeers, tend to also use much cheaper chips with crappier Linux support and although they tout lots of GPIO pins, those aren't 1:1 compatible with Pi (nor even follow any attempts of standard like HAT).
They're great if you only plan to interface them with extremely generic hardware (basically if you mostly attach your stuff on the USB ports) or if you're making your own hardware (where the only requirement you have regarding the GPIO pins is that they exist).
Raspberry Pi basically has managed to become the IBM PC of the home computer : sure, better things exist elsewhere. But that's what everything is palying with.
And if like me you're not the world's best expert in SBCs, better to stick with the most popular and most widely supported stuff.
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The RPi sucks a bit for real time control compared to say an Arduino, because it's running Linux and a CPU with less deterministic timing that the slower, simpler CPU in an arduino. I've tried direct control of steppers with a Pi and it gets jerky when the CPU is running a UI or doing other stuff.
So arduinos seen to be the board of choice for motor control in homebrew CNCs and 3D printers, while RPis do nicely doing the thinking (interpreting gcode, presenting a UI, etc). An RPi driving 3 or 4 arduinos, dri
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>Any sign of a 64 bit Raspbian yet ?
You can try this: https://github.com/bamarni/pi6... [github.com]
Realistically though, on 1GB of RAM you're likely to notice a slight performance degradation moving to 64 bit due to the larger pointer sizes taking up more of the limited RAM. There probably are use cases which could benefit from a 64 bit OS on a 1 GB RAM pi, but they are few.
I'm hoping that a future model 4 will have more than 4GB, where 64bit will be a net benefit.
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Realistically though, on 1GB of RAM you're likely to notice a slight performance degradation moving to 64 bit due to the larger pointer sizes taking up more of the limited RAM.
If I recall correctly . . . when HP-UX moved to 64-bit, HP had to pull some published benchmarks, and adjust them down.
The IBM AIX folks saw this, and supported both 32-bit and 64-bit for while, instead of going full 64-bit right away.
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Same thing with SPARC. If you loaded the 64 bit build of Solaris then 32 bit binaries actually ran slower. Having a 64 bit CPU makes no difference until you need to address more RAM.
Re:64 bit OS ? (Score:5, Interesting)
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If you are trying to ingest more than 2GB of data on a Pi hosted mongodb, then you have bigger problems than lack of 64 bit capability.
The Pi is not the only game in town, there are alternatives with beefier CPUs. To me frankly the biggest thing Pi did was prove there was a viable market and encouraged some more entrants to the 'embedded scale, but not custom' market.
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Guess I should say Raspbian is not the only game in town, since the hardware and firmware platform can support aarch64 distros. Still I'd say other hardware platforms are a better for accomplishing whatever you are trying to do given your gripe.
âzGreatestâoe by what unit of measuremen (Score:2)
I donâ(TM)t think that in 25 years I worked with a person who considered themself to be âzthe greatestâoe in their profession without being considerd mediocre at best by the rest of the people surrounding them.
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It's $35. What do you want for $35?
Also, if Mongo DB cannot deal with 2Gb files with a 32 bit architecture, that strikers me of shit design by whoever wrote MongoDB. Why not whine at them instead of the people who refuse to provide you with a super computer for $35?
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It's a great little device for lots of purposes. For other things it sucks. You pick the tool for the job. Try hanging an Amiga 500 from a tree limb with a camera and cell modem hooked to a solar charging unit. Try doing it for an almost throw away price. There are hundred of other uses I've seen for the Pi. It's helped thousands of creative people make their projects viable at a cheap price.
Re:Don't get it... (Score:5, Insightful)
You mean a GBP30 device that let's you bit-bang GPIO pins at up to 300Khz, run off battery and provide HDMI out and a Linux desktop is pointless for people tinkering with hardware?
I'm no defender of the RPi foundation (there are STILL performance and reliability problems with the USB and Ethernet buses because they are shared and under heavy load you can drop USB packets, they surfaced in the very first models and haven't been fixed and they tried to blame the SD-card, so I ended up sending my own off to a technician at Broadcom) but the devices are getting better all the time. Hell, for GBP30 you can slap RetroPi on them and build an arcade cabinet from the GPIO/USB that can run all kinds of stuff.
P.S. Nobody cares about h/w level programming. The BBC Micro:Bit is a flop. The RPi skips it and goes straight to Scratch on a Linux desktop. Teachers don't have the skills to do the simplest of things like that themselves, let alone teach them.
I speak as someone who works in IT in schools, spent all my youth doing just that, teaching myself Z80 assembly, removing the copy-protection on DOS games via disassembly x86, building circuits, etc.
I was one of the first to get an RPi, and didn't like it because it was "too easy", too powerful and too boring - but it's WAY over the heads of the average school child even with years of lessons. They'll turn it on, boot up Linux, click around, get bored, done. There's no way that even 1% of the RPi's that have been sold have ever had any amateur electronic hardware ever connected to them in a school. Schools will buy pre-made modules, or nothing at all. And if it hasn't got a lesson plan to go with it, forget it.
The RPi was sold on but NEVER got any focus as "educational kit for schools to teach electronics", they never even tried and they didn't even go to BETT (the biggest UK IT in schools exhibition), they have no interest in getting them there. It was my complaint about them from day one, that they NEVER did what they would need to do to get into schools. They just relied on "someone clever will do that bit for us", and it's never materialised. A good teacher could do it, but they could do it with anything and probably wouldn't choose an RPi (too many distractions readily available). There is NOTHING for teachers, and most teachers don't even know what they are, and even IT teachers wouldn't be able to image an SD card and boot them by themselves without a tutorial.
But as a hobbyist device, these things are fabulous, now. They could be a lot better, too. That's the point of them... a 1.4GHz battery-powered ARM kit that can bit-bang. Brilliant for me. Useless for teaching anyone anything about electronics or hardware that you couldn't just teach on a PC itself.
Honestly, nobody is going to officially teach the bits that you and I would like kids to learn, ever again, in any kind of serious depth. They just won't, because the teachers are two generations down from people who didn't understand it. Geeks don't go into teaching because the stuff they end up having to teach is SO DULL it's unbelievable.
Unless you show a kid it yourself, it's not going to happen with any level of Micro:Bit, Arduino, .NET Gadgeteer, RPi or anything else ever released. Honestly, it's just not.
Get this (Score:2)
Emulated hardware is better anyway. Here you go. [ourtimelines.com]
You're welcome.
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Check out adafruit for just a few examples of stuff you can build. Between beaglebone and pi (to name just two) anyone with decent tinkering skills can do their own home automation with no snoop from google, apple, ... I know I have built a pool controller, irrigation controller, garage door interface, AC monitor, furnace monitor, CO2 monitor and soon to add ????. The main limitation I have found is power. They are too hungry to run off batteries.
Re: Don't get it... (Score:2)
In that case you're far better off buying an Odroid C2 or many of the other low-cost SOCs out there. Much better performance for roughly the same cost.
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The Pi has a level of ubiquity its cousins can't even dream of. "Quantity has a quality all its own."
It's how better architectures and OSes lost out to the inferior but popular x86 and DOS.
Then, as now, being more popular means there is far better support to be found on the internet, better distro support, more experts, etc.
I design my own circuit boards, and program the microcontrollers from scratch; but I generally only do that when it's the only option. There have been a number of projects I chose the P
Re: Don't get it... (Score:2)
It depends on the use case; for hobbyist projects I agree that the Pi is better, but for the scenario he presented the Odroid would be much better. I've used both, depending on my need.
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It's 1.4GHz.
And what 386 ever ran at 200MHz? Were you even around then? They ran at about one-tenth of that. Or over 50 times slower than a Raspberry Pi.
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1/50 as fast by clockrate, and probably 1/200 the performance because of the gains in efficiency made by modern processors. Clock rate isn't everything, else the 3 GHz Pentium 4s would still be among the fastest CPUs available in performance (and they aren't).
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and 12mhz or so was the critical point.
Up to that (and I think including, but it's been a while), everyone and his brother could design a motherboard.
The RF at speeds above that made it tricky, and suddenly the little shops had to buy motherboards from someone else, and there were soon just a handful.
And to *really* date myself . . . the reason I never built a wire-wrapped Apple ][ was that others had already done it--and they interfered with themselves.
hawk
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You must have had a very different 386 than I did. I remember thinking the 40 mHz AMD ones were pretty cool, not like those paltry 33 mHz Intel ones.
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The i386 never ran faster than 40 MHz and the ARM chips at the time were already faster per clock while drawing less power.
The SoC in the Raspberry Pi 3 B+ has four 64-bit ARM cores running at 1.4 GHz, albeit in-order. This is 200 MHz more than the previous Raspberry Pi 3 B (non-plus).
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Port Win95 to ARM and you can. (well, give or take some drivers)
Heck, there's enough spare proc you could probably emulate a 386 and boot your precious.
In other news, bad troll is bad. You get no cookie.
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can i run windows 95 on it?
yes [techrepublic.com]