High Sierra's Disk Utility Does Not Recognize Unformatted Disks (tinyapps.org) 135
macOS 10.13's Disk Utility 17.0 (1626) does not recognize raw drives, reads a blog post, shared by several readers. From the post: Diskutil does recognize the drive. We'll use it to perform a quick, cursory format (e.g., diskutil eraseDisk JHFS+ NewDisk GPT disk0) to make the disk appear in Disk Utility, where further modifications can more easily be made. Plugging in an unformatted external drive produces the usual alert, "The disk you inserted was not readable by this computer. Initialize... | Ignore | Eject", but clicking Initialize just opens Disk Utility without the disk appearing. There's an option in Disk Utility to view "all devices," but clicking that doesn't show raw disks, the blog post adds.
I am not surprised (Score:5, Funny)
and pro hardware (imac pro) you can't change disk (Score:1, Troll)
and pro hardware (imac pro) you can't change the disk easily or even with some basic repair work. Having to unglue and reglue a screen is far from easy.
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Complete nonsense, imac's dont have glued in screens at all, they are held in place by a magnetic interference fit and can be removed in under a minute with a sucker clamp. The HD is then easily accessible and replaceable. It has been this way since the first Aluminium unibody imacs 10 years ago. Imac's are very easy to work on.
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To my knowledge the iMac Pro isn't available yet, so I would like to see the source that says the screen is glued to the chassis, preventing access to the drives.
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but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
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In other words, because you don't know, you just spout nonsense?
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but no ram door and how knows how the cooling is setup and how easy it will be to get to the ram / ssd (cards??)
The iMac RAM door is on the back, now.
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imac pro will not have that.
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imac pro will not have that.
You are correct. I stand corrected. Although the cutaway graphics show what appear to be standard RAM sockets Inside; so maybe just not "easily upgradeable" RAM...
We won't really know until iFixit gets out their heat-gun... ;-)
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Not for the last couple of years. I don't know why they got away from it, but it sure was nice.
Re:and pro hardware (imac pro) you can't change di (Score:4, Informative)
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+27-Inch+Retina+5K+Display+Teardown/30260
See Step 4.
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imac's dont have glued in screens at all
Apple have been gluing the imac's screen since 2012 [ifixit.com].
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Apple assumes everyone gets everything from Apple.
Has this ever been true? Sure, it's a funny line to toss out there, but Apple has obviously recognized that their products exist in a world beyond their control, which is why we see support for SMB, NTFS, and a host of other technologies and formats that didn't originate at Apple.
To be sure, their support falls far short of what we see on Windows or Linux, but in the various Macs I've worked on, I've replaced RAM, batteries, SSDs, HDDs, and even created my own Fusion Drive, none of which I did using Apple-b
So Apple.... (Score:5, Insightful)
How do you expect to format a drive to make it appear when you can't make it appear to format the drive?
Do people think about this kind of thing anymore?
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How do you expect to format a drive to make it appear when you can't make it appear to format the drive?
Try man mkfs. They are likely just piping error messages of some low level utility. For example, parted would return "error: /foo/bar: unrecognized disk".
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Try man mkfs. They are likely just piping error messages of some low level utility. For example, parted would return "error: /foo/bar: unrecognized disk".
Some OS component recognized the disk and announced that it was uninitialized, then offered to send them to initialize it. It's not acceptable for the subsequent tool not to recognize that there's a disk there, even if all it knows about it is that it can't do anything with it.
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Well its more like man diskutil, as you can still see unformatted disks there and use diskutil eraseDisk ... to format it.
A bigger issue is that when you plug an unformatted disk in, it pops up the usual message that its unreadable and to initialize it. Clicking initialize opens disk util which then does not show the unformatted drive (which it did in all previous versions). So for the average user, this could be confusing.
This looks like it could just be a bug in Disk Utility. Hopefully.
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A bigger issue is that when you plug an unformatted disk in, it pops up the usual message that its unreadable and to initialize it. Clicking initialize opens disk util which then does not show the unformatted drive (which it did in all previous versions). So for the average user, this could be confusing.
Yeah, but what "average user" is buying an unformatted drive? Virtually everything is pre-formatted out of the factory these days so users don't have to format in order to start using their new drives.
A dumb bug to be sure -- but the impact should only be to those who have blanked out a drive on their own without re-formatting/re-initializing it at the same time.
Yaz
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Yeah, but what "average user" is buying an unformatted drive? Virtually everything is pre-formatted out of the factory these days so users don't have to format in order to start using their new drives.
A dumb bug to be sure -- but the impact should only be to those who have blanked out a drive on their own without re-formatting/re-initializing it at the same time.
Yaz
True. Also, in using the previous release to help test this (10.12) I couldn't find a way (via Disk Utility) to blank a disk. There used to be an option in Disk Utility that would let you initialize as "empty space". That seems to have gone away (shows how often I use it). I had to drop to the command line to clear the disk (w/ the help of dd). Something that the average user will also not be doing.
Still would be nice to have these features in the gui. But I can live with it, as long as they don't rem
El Capitan neutered Disk Utility (Score:1)
http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/mac-software/el-capitan-disk-utility-3634604/ [macworld.co.uk]
Shit changes like that are why I haven't moved to anything newer. At the time there were articles about how to get the older, full featured, Disk Utility to run under El Capitan. Can that older version still be made to run in Sierra and High Sierra?
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But yet diskutil displays all drives and allows you to initialize an unformatted disk, whereas Disk Utility does neither. Assuming they both use the same underlying framework then why would one display unformatted disks when the other does not? It would seem like there's something in the GUI that selectively displays the drives. This is already evident by the option to "show hidden" partitions (ie the rescue partition).
So it looks like either Disk Utility is purposely ignoring unformatted disks (boo), or
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I thought Disk Utility.app called on diskutil anyway to do the format. But they both (?) rely on Disk Arbitration framework to know what's going on. So just something someone forgot to update when the framework was changed...?
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How do you expect to format a drive to make it appear when you can't make it appear to format the drive?
Okay -- it's a pretty dumb bug. One that is hopefully fixed quickly.
From a practical point however, how many people are actually ever going to run into this? The drive hardware built into Macs is pre-formatted, so it won't trigger this bug. Likewise, virtually every other external drive you can buy these days is pre-formatted, so again -- you're not going to be able to trigger this bug unless you erase the drive without re-initializing it at the same time.
Yaz
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I'm pretty sure the spinners I've put into my Mac Pro came that way too.
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This could be the new "keyboard error, press any key to continue."
It Just Works (Score:5, Funny)
You're holding it wrong?
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Unless you press "option-shift" when you open the calibration tool. Then you get the full calibration tool. "Option-shift." Good luck figuring that one out. Hooray for intuitive UI!
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Try adding a windows network shared printer to osx.. First, you have to hold down control and click on the add-printer dialog in order to add an 'advanced' button...
seriously?
Then there's the removal of the 'hidden' SSID support. While it does nothing for security, it does keep phone calls from techno illiterates down as they won't try connecting to networks they don't see in the dialog. This allows the creation of 'infrastructure' networks not meant for BYOD.
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That might be true. A few years back, Apple changed the way monitor calibration works, reduced it so all you can do is change the "target white point." The rest somehow happens automatically or something, I don't know.
Unless you press "option-shift" when you open the calibration tool. Then you get the full calibration tool. "Option-shift." Good luck figuring that one out. Hooray for intuitive UI!
Not as bad as LAN mode in Splatoon 2...
http://en-americas-support.nin... [nintendo.com]
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All this 'hiding' is fucking stupid. It isn't just apple, either. MS is doing it, too, with their new UI garbage. If I wanted to play hunt the wumpus, I'd load it in an emu. I don't want to play it with my UI environment.
What is so terrible about having ONE panel per component (eg networking, display etc) with some tabs? Hint: if search boxes are needed on the UI to compensate for the layout, then the layout sucks.
Uhhh... (Score:5, Funny)
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What a Bunch of Wimps (Score:1)
My CP/M system wouldn't read unformatted 8" floppys back in 1982.
It took a day to get the right data sheets and write my own formatter in assembler.
Damn kids today can't do anything.
ARM mac no finder and app store only (Score:1)
This may be a sign that the ARM macs with have no finder and be app store only.
Re: So what? (Score:2)
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Virtualbox - free
Linux - free
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Or just use fdisk and newfs if for some reason diskutil isn't working. Or dd /dev/zero over it for a few blocks first if things are still confused.
I forget if gpt is available or if that's built in to fdisk, there are so many different versions of fdisk out there each with their own peculiarities and bugs.
Also not recognized for Time Machine- USB APFS (Score:2)
Just happened to me (Score:5, Informative)
I ran into this exact problem today. Clicking "Initialize..." did nothing, with the drive not showing up in Disk Utility.
Turned the enclosure off and back on, and clicked "Ignore." Disk came right up in the Utility without issues, and I was able to get it working from there.
Frontpage worthy? (Score:1)
So a minor bug in an Apple specific disk utility software is newsworthy? I'm going to start posting news about bugs in parted now.
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apple fanboys have jimmies?
This is almost definitely enclosure-specific (Score:1)
Just drop the disk from the peak of High Sierra (Score:1)
The disk will then change its form (=reformat) and eventually erase old data.
Pro tip: run command `top' to quickly get to the peak of High Sierra.
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Same behavior in Sierra (Score:1)
And I don't believe it's a "problem" either, encrypted or any hard drive that's been used by a server (eg. as a raw volume for object storage systems) shows up as "uninitialized" when you plug them in but you also don't want a quick link to destroy the data on it.
The only way to inspect the disk properly is to use the underlying Unix utilities where you then perhaps can see there is data on it, and yes, you can still destroy the data on it using command line.
You can delete the data from Disk Utility, but it
Flashbacks of HD SC Setup (Score:2)
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touché
wasn't there something you had to do with the Resource Editor to get it to recognize disks that didn't have Apple-branded firmware? maybe that's applicable here
There's menu option for that (Score:1)
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Anti Piles (Score:1)
no the hardware went thin for looks and disk swapi (Score:2)
no the hardware went thin for looks and easy disk swapping was cut. Also apple can't have uses using cheaper non apple m2 pci-e ssds.
Re: no the hardware went thin for looks and disk s (Score:2)
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You might be able to come up with reasons why you prefer Apple, but the choice isn't objective. I happen to be perfectly satisfied with Linux. Well...that's not true, I'd prefer gnome2 over the KDE desktop I currently have, but Mate isn't as good....
That's written as if it were an objective choice, but it isn't. I've got my preferred way of doing things, and that's my preference. Nothing says you should have the same preferences. I do happen to think that gnome3 is objectively worse than gnome2, but th
Re:Apple has suffered a massive brain drain. (Score:4, Insightful)
What? Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland [wikipedia.org] was aborted. It was very uncertain whether or not Apple would even survive. OSX, even in it's initial craptastic state, was welcome relief.
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I'm old enough to remember when Apple announced plans to skip version 9 and go straight from Mac OS 8 to Mac OS X. Then they released a 9 anyway.
Then your memory is failing.
Apple announced Mac OS X and Mac OS 9 at the same time (I believe at WWDC '98). Mac OS 9 was available as stand-alone on Macs sold in that time frame as well as having code to handle running under Mac OS X.
Needless to say, Mac OS X got most of the press. But I don't believe there was ever not going to be a Mac OS 9.
Carbon (Score:2)
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Maybe System 7 was innovative. 9 was a desperate attempt to keep the ol' geezer marketable after their replacement OS effort Copeland was aborted.
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display. There's nothing innovative about playing catchup. Besides, the only meaningful new features they implemented even for MacOS in 7 were scalable fonts and virtual memory, and those had been around in other operating systems for some time. There were lots of other minor changes from System 6 (like moving away from font suitcases) but those were the only bi
MultiFinder was in System 6 (Score:2)
System 7 was just an attempt to catch up to the rest of the computing world, which would let you put multiple applications side by side on a single display.
Process Manager in System 7 was a refactor of MultiFinder, which was in System 6.
The only other really cool MacOS feature wasn't even an OS feature, though it was made possible by MacOS 7's virtual memory support: Ram Doubler, aka compressed swap. This has only recently become a Linux kernel feature.
I guess zram was waiting for the patent to run out.
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Process Manager in System 7 was a refactor of MultiFinder, which was in System 6.
In System 6, the Multifinder ran multiple full-screen applications, and let you switch between them more or less at will until the Multifinder crashed, which it did all the goddamned time. In System 7, all the applications shared a common backdrop, with the menu bar changing to reflect the application currently brought to the foreground, and the Finder still crashed all the goddamned time.
I cut my teeth on the Mac Plus, and then my mother bought a IIci 5/80 with a 8*24 and a two-page mono, upon which she ra
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You're thinking of Switcher, which was only available for a short time. Multifinder always allowed windows to be inte
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Well, you must be right. I only had one app to even launch on my Mac sitting here, Word.
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I used both System 9 and OSX 10.1. OSX was dramatically better. I did keep the System 9 emulation package around because some things, like the tiff encoder, kept needing it. But honestly, I tried to avoid it as much as possible.
That said, there may have been some ways in which System 9 was better than OSX, I'm just not familiar with any of them.
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I seem to recall lots and lots of complaining about the loss of the spacial Finder. And Quark people all obsessed with their workflows.
Funny at the time I'd been trying Linux on a Quadra 8500, and then installed Mac OS X 10.0 and never looked back.
And it was also the time when Mac people were always complaining that Macs are so superior to PCs (I used Macs myself) but when I finally realised what a modern OS was like, I felt something of a mug -- Apple had seriously inflicted collective brain damage on its
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OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset. In fact, one had to reboot their Mac every 2-3 hours because their OS was so unstable. These were Apple's dark ages, because all but really dedicated people left the Mac platform either because they could get more work done on Windows, or the fact that they could do some cool tinkering on Lin
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OS X was one of the best things that ever happened to Apple. System 7 to OS 9 were preemptive multitasking, where if one program didn't call a WaitNextEvent(), the entire OS would freeze, necessitating a hard reset.
That's not preemptive multitasking -- that's cooperative multitasking. OS X is preemptive.
Yaz
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I stand corrected. Meant cooperative multitasking... a quality of UNIX since bygone times. Thank you.
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Typo city. tl;dr Preemptive multitasking is what made OS X a major step for Apple, and a major improvement. Applications made from System 1-7 and macOS 8-9 had to be extremely well coded, or else they would take down the entire machine.
woz needs to make mac great again! (Score:2)
woz needs to make mac great again!
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Pancreatic cancer is almost always untreatable by the time it is detected. It's probable that his choice of alternative medicine caused an early death, but likely he chose it because he was told that the standard treatment meant preparing to die, so he went after a long chance. (Admittedly, I don't know his personal beliefs, but I also don't trust the news reports that much. They are processed for entertainment value.)
OTOH, it's quite difficult for someone even similar to him to pick a suitable replaceme