Intel CEO Exits President Trump's Manufacturing Council (axios.com) 263
Ina Fried, writing for Axios: Intel said Monday that CEO Brian Krzanich was leaving President Trump's American Manufacturing Council, the latest executive to distance himself from the president following the weekend's events in Virginia. In a blog post, Krzanich said that the decline in American manufacturing remains a serious issue, but said that "politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base. I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing," Krzanich said in a blog post. "Politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base."
Time to abandon ship (Score:5, Interesting)
Ah yes. I'm guessing the PR hit could no longer be considered worth the private venue to Trump's ear. Good to know that even the 1% are starting recalculate the cost vs profit of Trump.
(Don't get me wrong, I think it is the CEO's responsibility to take every opportunity to increase the company's chances at success, I just think they should stick to legal and "honest" means - and whispering in Trump's ear like Grima worm-tongue seems like neither of those)
Re:Time to abandon ship (Score:5, Insightful)
The other question is just how much value do these CEOs actually get? The President is so u reliable and so prone to fits of pique that can he be relied upon to listen, or to stick with any commitment?
It really is coming to look like everyone; Congress, the courts, business, are all simply routing around the White House.
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Trump is like pinata. With crap instead of candy. Everyone knows that you need to hit it hard to win, but nobody wants to deal with the flying shit.
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I just think they should stick to legal and "honest" means - and whispering in Trump's ear like Grima worm-tongue seems like neither of those)
Is Ivanka being cast as Éowyn, in this scenario?
Rule of acquisition #33 (Score:2)
It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
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Unless the boss is becoming so toxic that being seen anywhere near him could make you part of the collateral damage when he falls.
And it's not like Trump's doing anything wonderful for Intel. Trump's unorthodox views on trade and immigration pose a threat to Silicon Valley, so what good does it do to sit on some sort of advisory council where none of your advice will be taken? Add in Trump's bizarre inability to call out racists, well, I'd say this is a pretty good example of rats fleeing the ship.
Translation (Score:2)
In a blog post, Krzanich said that the decline in American manufacturing remains a serious issue, but said that "politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base. I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing
Translation: "I'm too much of a coward to publicly denounce Nazis and white supremacists by name and Trump's support for them and only am resigning because of pressure from bad publicity to my company that is resulting from my slow exit from this useless advisory body."
"Politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base."
What a load of crap. America's manufacturing base is fine and certainly doesn't require rebuilding. America has a HUGE and thriving manufacturing base. By itself it is approximately the size of the GDP of the UK and twice the size of the
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In a blog post, Krzanich said that the decline in American manufacturing remains a serious issue, but said that "politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base. I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing
Translation: "I'm too much of a coward to publicly denounce Nazis and white supremacists by name and Trump's support for them and only am resigning because of pressure from bad publicity to my company that is resulting from my slow exit from this useless advisory body."
That's a pretty poor translation because the next line of the press release says:
I think it's closer to "Trump loves praise too much to denounce the violence of his most ardent supporters, so fuck this, we're out."
"Politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base."
What a load of crap. America's manufacturing base is fine and certainly doesn't require rebuilding. America has a HUGE and thriving manufacturing base. By itself it is approximately the size of the GDP of the UK and twice the size of the GDP of Russia. It could be improved but Trump isn't going to be the guy to lead that charge and anyone who didn't realize that in the first 100 days of his administration is an idiot. Improving manufacturing in the US will require careful planning, good policy, and sensible strategy. We aren't going to get any of those as long as Trump sits in the oval office.
I think you're saying the same thing as Krzanich, he just took longer to re
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He sure isn't going to improve it by fucking over Canada and Mexico in NAFTA renegotiations. Trump's knowledge on trade and economics is equal to his knowledge in just about every other area; nil to none. The man truly is a profound idiot, but hopefully once Bannon is gone, he'll be surrounded by a few less idiots.
Surprising (Score:5, Funny)
You'd think if anyone could understand something that overheats on a regular basis, it'd be Intel.
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politics (Score:2)
politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base
It appears he is doing exactly what he decries - letting petty sectarian political grandstanding take priority over economic issues.
Or alternatively: maybe he has no interest whatsoever in rebuilding America's manufacturing base, and is using this as a convenient excuse to shirk his civic duty.
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Rebuilding America's manufacturing base would result in Americans at all levels (especially the poor) being poorer and America's job market shrinking in total. Why is this considered a good thing?
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Get real, broham.
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I suspect this is PR (Score:2, Insightful)
More exactly, virtue signaling on a corporate level. I'm sure it'll work, too.
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I just find it amazing that people think a company like Intel, which sells mostly to OEMs and other businesses rather than the public, engages in virtue signalling that would harm their own business.
Also, stop virtue signalling. We get it, you don't like virtue signalling, no need to go around virtue signalling about it.
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You mean the same company that has probably spent over $1B on the "Intel Inside" campaign? You really think that Intel doesn't care about its image amongst consumers?
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Slam political posturing with political posturing (Score:2)
Nice job Intel!!! Where did you dig this guy up?
I hope he's not making any important decisions for you, like oh, maybe putting vPro in everything... Oh wait, it's all starting to make sense now.
WTF? (Score:2)
What in the hell is a statement like that from a company I haven't seen an American-manufactured CPU from since the mid-late 90s? Plus the fact that he repeats the same shit over and over would indicate that he's not being truthful, and making sure the statement is received clearly to all that observe it. Simple psychology.....
P.S. I said MANUFACTURED, not "sold in the".
I'm just gonna leave this here... (Score:2)
politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base. I resigned to call attention to the serious harm our divided political climate is causing to critical issues, including the serious need to address the decline of American manufacturing,"
Rephrase: Politics have sidelined the important mission, so I'm going to make a political statement as I quit the team working on the important mission.
face in palm.
Antifa (Score:2)
So the terrorists are winning then?
Hours later, Trump walks back his denouncement (Score:2)
Predictably. Anyone waiting all weekend, and watching the brief/terse statement on Monday, could see that his heart was totally not into it. Especially considering his willingness to attack anything else that moves under the sun at the drop of a hat.
NY Times, Aug-15, 4:30 PM:
A Combative Trump Criticizes ‘Alt-Left’ Groups in Charlottesville [nytimes.com]
David Duke, Aug-15, 4:45 PM:
Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about #Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists in BLM/Antifa https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/897554574663442432
Re: Don't lend a racist clown your credibility... (Score:5, Insightful)
He's such a racist bastard ... He condemned all hate instead of just white hate.
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And once again the false equivalency.
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Dodge is a damn fine car. Ran over my wife with a Dodge.
-Young Zeke
Re:Don't lend a racist clown your credibility... (Score:5, Insightful)
Absolutely. My great-uncle was picking shrapnel out of his body for a couple of years after shooting up Nazis in France. Why suddenly is wanting to fuck over Nazis suddenly a bad thing?
Christ, in the 30s and 40s Woody Guthrie had "This Machine Kills Fascists" scrawled on his guitars. I can only imagine the Alt-right outrage at that now.
At what point was society required to show deference to a pack of white supremacists and fascists? Where did this transformation come from? How did we get from D-Day and the Civil Rights movement to bowing down to the sacred right of Nazis to preach hate? Sure, they have the right, but goddamnit, our grandfathers or great-grandfathers (depending on your age) stuck their fucking necks out, went to Europe, Africa and Asia to fight Fascists, so fucking hell, having a counterprotest and maybe even a few punches thrown at these goons is more than they deserve, and better than they got when we marching troops and tanks into their ideological progenitors' cities and bombing the living fuck out of them.
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? How did we get from D-Day and the Civil Rights movement to bowing down to the sacred right of Nazis to preach hate?
First, the war ended.
Second, they are fellow American citizens with every right that you have.
Third, the civil rights in the constitutions apply to every American.
Fourth, what makes America great is the fact that we allow neo-nazi's to speak because we afford the protections of law to every American citizen no matter what ideology they have.
Finally, the government does not get to decide when the protections of law be rescinded based on political ideology.
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I'm not saying anyone should revoke their right to peaceful protest. I'm saying that all these false equivalencies with BLM and the like look at best like whatabouterry, and at worst an outright attempt to white wash (excuse the pun) what these Neo-Nazis really are.
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Ok, if you think it's false equivalence. Would you blame BLM if they were marching down the street chanting "what do want dead cops, when do want it now". The government rescinds their permit to protest, orders the cops to not intervene should violence happen, and the police direct the BLM march toward anti-blm protestors that have been known to be violent? After which, is then banned from every private server and social media platform and blamed as the ones who started it?
BLM has been tied to violent perp
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There are some violent BLM protesters. The entire movement does not stand for doing violence. So that's the false equivalence.
Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists on the other hand are inherently violent groups. It isn't just a matter of a few errant members, it's that their entire worldview is fundamentally antisocial.
And I'll repeat, I'm not talking about revoking permits or using any state power to limit their right to free speech. They have as much right to the commons as anyone else, providing they remain
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There are some violent BLM protesters. The entire movement does not stand for doing violence. So that's the false equivalence.
Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists on the other hand are inherently violent groups
I must have missed all the violence that happened with every march these groups have done. You are saying that they are inherently violent but they have only spoken their views. Racist views or not they have not done any action. When do youd ecide a white supremacist march should be violently shut down? if they are inherently violent why is it antifa and bamn are more violent? why is it violence only erupts when antifa show up and the cops do nothing?
providing they remain within the bounds of the law.
I don't understand when antifa are antagonizing violence
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White supremest and other alt-right groups have killed far more people since 9/11 than any other group, including jihadists. [nytimes.com] Hell, the FBI just blocked another Oklahoma city bombing by a white supremest. BLM pales by comparison and for the most part, BLM has been peaceful and at its core, the group espouses peaceful demonstrations. The second deadliest terror attack in this country was carried out by white supremest in Oklahoma City. Then there are the 9 people killed in a Charleston church, or the six peo
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the group espouses peaceful demonstrations.
"what do we want, dead cops. when do we want it, now". Would they be peaceful if the cops didn't enforce the peace and allowed anti-BLM protestors that are known to be violent to clash with them?
Few questions
Why stop at 9/11? What about the 90's, 80's and 70's? I am sorry but looking at a small piece of data to skew it to what you want to be is disingenuous considering the 6 year calm after 9/11. http://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/... [umd.edu]
That only runs to 2010 but it very much puts into context what you are claiming
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http://farm1.static.flickr.com... [flickr.com]
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In the age of Photoshop, it's good practice to use reference materials [google.com] when available.
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Jesus Fucking Christ, there are damned few actual socialists in the United States. There is, however, a long sad sordid history of racism in the United States.
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Those were the communists who were in power, although they weren't really communists they also had a very distorted view of socialism too. Blame stalinists, maoists, etc.
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Other than some people demanding Trump's impeachment (and it's hardly limited to the far left), I don't know any organization who wants to kill the conservatives and nuke Russia. That looks to me like your strawman. In other words, you're just making it up, or, at best, taking a few wingnuts comments and then declaring that the entire movement's official policy is the same. It's all part of the game of trying to make groups like BLM and Antifa look as bad as groups we do know our very bad; namely White Supr
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My grandfather helped fight Nazis during WWII. He was a radioman for the RAF and was involved during D-Day. He discovered the Germans were using radar which earned him the Distinguished Flying Cross. I'm sure he'd punch these people in the face if he were alive today. I have another relative who was almost captured behind enemy lines by the Nazis but by knowing German he was able to escape.
Shooting these bastards is too good for them. These people deserve something slow and painful.
Here's a good documentar [vice.com]
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Ain't nothing wrong with fighting Nazis
As long as you're actually fighting Nazis, and not just.. calling people whose politics you don't like a Nazi and then taking off the glove, because Nazis are fair game, right?
Our penchant is for fighting Nazis, confederates, racists, and Russian secret agents is what makes America great
You should add "fighting socialists and communists" to the list as well. That's a looong American tradition.
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[...] Obama and the Democrats REFUSED TO NEGOTIATE A BUDGET for the past 8 years [...]
I guess you don't remember the budget that the Senate Democrats passed in 2013.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/24/us/politics/senate-passes-3-7-trillion-budget-its-first-in-4-years.html [nytimes.com]
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But other than those facts you overlooked, you make a GREAT point, creimer.
You forgot the part where Republicans refused to go to conference (regular order, which is currently being ignored by Republicans today), shutdown the government, and, two weeks later, accepted the exact same budget deal that they would have gotten if they went to conference with Democrats.
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Is it purely politics no. But it is a big part, the other part is being associated with the Trump Administration, who is systematically isolating much of Intel's customer base.
Business wise, staying connected with the Trump Administration has a lot of risk, with a small reward if anything.
They got in hoping to influence how business should be done, and make sure policies will protect them. However being connected to such a divisive figure is possibly be connected to a large percentage of your customers bei
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It's all over the new. Dont see how you missed that. NYTime resume [nytimes.com] of the most recent ones.
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It's all over the news.
Trump is amazing. Republicans were failing once again to repeal Obamacare, the CBO was estimating that their latest plan would deprive 15 million Americans of health insurance, and his poll numbers were falling fast. So he changes the subject, and manipulates the Democrats into arguing about combat soldiers in skirts, even though the military had already said this is a total non-issue. Absolutely brilliant.
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Obvious troll throwing up strawmen is obvious.
Tim Cooks? (Score:5, Informative)
There is no such person on Trump's White House Manufacturing Council. Not even on the White House's page [whitehouse.gov] which still lists the people who have quit the council.
As for who's still on the council... [yahoo.com]
Resigned from council:
Elon Musk, Tesla
Ken Frazier, Merck & Co., Inc.
Kevin Plank, Under Armour
Brian Krzanich, Intel
No longer CEOs (still listed on White House web site):
Klaus Kleinfeld, Arconic
Mark Fields, Ford Motor Company
Mario Longhi, U.S. Steel
Doug Oberhelman, Caterpillar
Currently on council:
Andrew Liveris, The Dow Chemical Company
The Dow Chemical Company said Liveris would remain on the council.
Bill Brown, Harris Corporation
Michael Dell, Dell Technologies
Dell declined to say whether Michael Dell would leave the council.
John Ferriola, Nucor Corporation
Jeff Fettig, Whirlpool Corporation
Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson
Greg Hayes, United Technologies Corp.
Marilynn Hewson, Lockheed Martin Corporation
Jeff Immelt, General Electric
GE said its non-executive chair Immelt will remain on the council.
Jim Kamsickas, Dana Inc.
Rich Kyle, The Timken Company
Thea Lee, AFL-CIO
Denise Morrison, Campbell Soup Company
Dennis Muilenburg, Boeing
Scott Paul, Alliance for American Manufacturing
Michael Polk, Newell Brands
Mark Sutton, International Paper
Inge Thulin, 3M
Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO
Wendell Weeks, Corning
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Of course the Dow Chemical CEO would stay on Trump's "council".
Here's why:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us... [nbcnews.com]
Aren't you glad the swamp is drained?
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What some people won't do for free stationery... [youtu.be]
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" ... But I care deeply about America. I want America to do well. America’s more important than b
For Apple's part, Tim Cook last week pointed out numerous ways he disagrees with Trump, but stated that his personal beliefs weren't enough to make him walk away from the Trump administration's councils, because he felt the need to keep the bigger picture in mind. "At the end of the day, I’m not a person who’s going to walk away and say, “If you don’t do what I want, I leave.”
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Except he's NOT on the White House Manufacturing Council. And neither is Bezos.
Article conflates and confuses a single meeting, organized mainly so Trump could feel good about himself while everyone else suffered, [cnbc.com] with positions on WHMC.
It even makes that distinction... but then loses it.
Other companies attending the meeting include Alphabet, Microsoft, MasterCard, Intel, Qualcomm, Oracle, Adobe, and more.
The meeting, which was announced earlier this month, follows a few other efforts by the Trump administration in modernizing the government with the help of CEOs from tech companies, including the "White House Office of American Innovation" and "American Technology Council."
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a guy that does only what he thinks is right
You're talking about a guy that does only what his handlers want him to. It really couldn't be more obvious... unless, that is, you have an IQ no greater than 115 or so (if so, don't feel bad; at least it isn't lonely there).
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You're talking about a guy that does only what his handlers want him to. It really couldn't be more obvious...
Trump has directly contradicted his own "handlers", and made them look like fools. For instance, the statements he made about firing Comey. Several of his top advisors have been fired or quit. It certainly is not "obvious" that they are controlling him, and unlikely that they are.
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Source about the stand down of the Charlottesville PD.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/... [zerohedge.com]
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You forgot the #PizzaGate hashtag.
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Yes, because news from multiple known news sources is the same as a bad internet meme.
News flats leftie: the fact that you mock everyone you disagree with is why you HAVE the problems with the right now. You're not convincing anyone of your position. You're just alienated people that might have otherwise supported you. Did you NOT noticed that the 'alt-right' didn't exist about a year ago? Where do you think that's going to go from there?
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ZeroHedge is a raving conspiracy site. You get the same ridicule as citing Mercola.
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No
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No. All of it.
Re:... how exactly does this make any sense? (Score:5, Informative)
Last week, there were protests in Charlottesville, VA that had been organized by a member of the self-described "alt-right". These protests were loosely associated with a planned removal of a confederate statue from a local park, though it would be fair to say that their overall message was broader than that. A majority of the named groups involved were associated with white supremacist or white nationalist views. Also taking part in these protests were a number of people identifying a Nazis and displaying Nazi symbols. The Nazis, in case you don't recall, were a political party that ran Germany during World War II, were avowed enemies of the United States, and were formally abolished in 1945 after the defeat of Germany in that war. It is doubtful that any of the protesters had any actual connection to the Nazi party, and their motivations for associating themselves with a defunct organization that had been until its destruction a grave enemy of the United States are unclear.
The rally was scheduled to begin at noon on the 12th, at the same time counter-protest activities were also scheduled to occur in another location. However, at the rally site violence began to erupt, and with the deteriorating situation the Virginia state police cleared the area where the rally was to take place, and some of the rally participants moved to another location to continue the rally. This is the part you seem to have some awareness of.
The important part, that you seem to be missing, is that later in the day an individual who had taken part in the original rally drove a car into a crowd of counterprotesters, mimicking attacks that have been carried out earlier this year by Islamic terrorists in Europe. There are numerous videos of this incident, which in all aspects seem to show malicious intent. One person was killed, and a number wounded. The driver was taken into custody, and has since been documented as having a long history of idolization of the Nazi party. It is relatively obvious, barring extraordinary evidence to the contrary, that this was an act of politically motivated terrorism.
Which brings us to President Trump. In previous incidents, much scrutiny has been brought to bear on the way presidents address terrorist attacks. President Obama was pilloried for failing to refer to terror attacks by Islamic militants as "radical Islamic terrorism", as many quite rightly saw this as an attempt to disconnect Islam from the incidents and avoid offending Muslim supporters and allies. President Trump took a similar position, refusing to name the ideology associated with the terrorist perpetrator, and many have wondered if he might be in a similar fashion hoping to not offend allies, and thus raising the question of who these allies are. Also in doing so he made an equivalence between the violent but mutual fights of earlier in the day, and the asymmetric, unprovoked attack with the vehicle.
So there you have it. People are upset at Trump because in the face of an obvious, terrorist attack by a person sympathetic to the enemies of America, he chose to give a mealy-mouthed response that avoided assigning any blame or reaffirming any of the shared cultural values of the United States, a response that flies in the face of his reputation as a person who is not afraid to tell it like it is.
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There's a difference between blaming Muslims and blaming Nazis. There are hundreds of millions of halfway reasonable Muslims. It's a religion people are born into. Many of them hate others for being others, but not nearly all. There are no halfway reasonable Nazis. It isn't a religion, it's a radical political movement, much like some Muslim ones. They hate others for being others (or they wouldn't be Nazis).
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The closest the Dems have to a Communist is Sanders, and some might argue he's only a Democrat of convenience, but even if you accept him as a full-fledged member, just about anywhere else in the world he'd be considered a social democrat, the kind of person that has, by and large, run most European countries since the end of the Second World War. There hasn't been a meaningful Communist movement in the United States since the 1930s, and most Democrats would be viewed as moderate Tories in Canada or the UK.
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He'd probably fit somewhere in the moderate wing of the NDP. The NDP does have its own further left fringe, moreso in the past than now, but these days they've been trying to rebrand themselves as social democrats, much as Labour is trying to do in the UK.
Honestly, these accusations that Democrats (in the US), NDP (in Canada) and Labour (in the UK) as being neo-Marxist types is just absurd, either shouted by idiots or by people who are trying to create some sort of false association.
If Sanders was PM of, sa
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And what exactly are the consequences? Trump is making himself toxic, and the more toxic he becomes, the more he sheds support. He really has no support in the Senate at all, and only a fairly small faction in the House that would stick their neck out for him. Quit blaming other people for Trump's ignorance and stupidity.
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Yeah not even remotely similar to what he said. Not. Even. Close.
Honestly, President Trump really is becoming the Rorschach test for politics anymore. Show a photo of the man and see what the left will make out of it.
Re:... how exactly does this make any sense? (Score:4)
'Organized far-right extremism'.
Based off of WHAT?? A few ASSHOLES that shit-post? Where are the well organized right wing militias? WHERE? NAME ONE SITUATION, where an ORGANIZED group of ANY right wing assholes did anything of note that wasn't WORSE than leftist did.
Son we have at LEAST 412 MILLION individually owned guns in the US. But yet we DON'T have organized right wing violence. Because there would not BE any left wing a-holes in the nation left, outside of the major cities. If this was a problem, YOU WOULD FUCKING WELL KNOW ABOUT IT ALREADY.
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FBI and DHS Warned of Growing Threat From White Supremacists Months Ago [foreignpolicy.com]
The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security in May warned that white supremacist groups had already carried out more attacks than any other domestic extremist group over the past 16 years and were likely to carry out more attacks over the next year, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Foreign Policy.
Even as President Donald Trump continues to resist calling out white supremacists for violence, federal law enforcement has made clear that it sees these types of domestic extremists as a severe threat. The report, dated May 10, says the FBI and DHS believe that members of the white supremacist movement “likely will continue to pose a threat of lethal violence over the next year.”
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Oh look, another anno-commie comes to play.
Sarcasm retard. That's why I used to term 'comrade'. Anyone that's NOT a left wing moron will realize that political violence is 'bad'. Not just when it first the left's narrative.
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They'refour
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No,
But the Neo-Nazi are his strongest supporters. Chanting his name like he is the second coming or something.
They are other groups that will just support him because he decided to run as a Republican
They are other groups that will do whatever their Church tells them to vote for, and the Church will change its ideals to match the party.
However, he is shown to be one of the worst presidents in history. He is fumbling in a government where he has the majority on all levels, yet we are seeing the American Che
Re:If you don't exit you're a Neo-Nazi. (Score:5, Insightful)
But the Neo-Nazi are his strongest supporters. Chanting his name like he is the second coming or something.
They are other groups that will just support him because he decided to run as a Republican
They are other groups that will do whatever their Church tells them to vote for, and the Church will change its ideals to match the party.
Nazi supporters ARE Nazis.
It's not an issue of ownership or genetics or of social status. It's an ideological issue.
They don't have to quack like Nazis (though they do) or goosestep like Nazis (though some clearly do that as well) - simply thinking like a Nazi makes one a Nazi.
Ideology dictates behavior. Not the other way around.
The only thing is that most of them were HIDING their beliefs until now.
Not cause they thought that it's wrong to be a Nazi - but cause they knew that it wasn't popular.
Now, when it is clearly "in" to be a Nazi again, they are crawling out from under their beds, swastikas and all.
And there's no labeling going on.
A KKK-er is not labeled a racist by stepping out into the light and uncovering his face.
That's unmasking.
And nobody's making them do that. They are unmasking themselves all on their own.
Cause they feel like the time for hiding has past.
They might be a tad off there.
Re:If you don't exit you're a Neo-Nazi. (Score:4, Interesting)
He can't even give a speech to the Boy Scouts without acting like a bloviating halfwit. But fumbling calling out Neo-Nazis? Really? That's got to be the easiest thing a president could do. Wag your finger, say "Shame shame shame!" That's what's expected of you.
I have no ideas whether the rumors are true that Bannon was the one who cautioned against speaking too strongly against the white supremacists, but the rumors that Bannon's time at the White House is coming to an end would certainly mesh well. But it comes too late for this.
I don't know whether Donald Trump is actually a racist or not, but one thing is certain, he lacks any real judgment, and relies on his advisers and proxies, some of which are clearly both malignant and naive.
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Did you curl up into the fetal position, rock back and forth and stammer that out between sobs and wiping away your tears?
Any day now the RUSSIAN PROOF will come out!
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He didn't say "apologize" - he said "condemn".
But nice attempt at erecting a straw man.
Re:If you don't exit you're a Neo-Nazi. (Score:4, Insightful)
The internet has spoken. Soon, 43% of this country will be labeled a Neo-Nazi.
Nah, even if you labelled every Trump voter a Neo-Nazi, as unlikely as that is, you'd barely crack 23% of Americans, because only half of eligible voters voted. However, given that there are many Americans who are not eligible voters, we need to refine that number further. There are 323.1 million Americans, but only about 248 eligible voters. Since we know Trump received exactly 62,984,825 votes, we can calculate an upper level of denouncement of approximately 19.5% of Americans based on voting behaviour.
Having said that, there are no credible claims that all Trump voters are Neo-Nazis, however it is entirely accurate to note that the Neo-Nazis love Trump. Some people may be confused by that statement but it's similar very similar to the situation with David Hasselhoff [wikipedia.org]. Germans love Hasselhoff [tvtropes.org], but that doesn't mean that if you love Hasselhoff that you're German.
Alternatively, you could calculate the upper limit at 34%, which is Trump's approval rating, though that's also sketchy since people could, in theory, approve of Trump for reasons other than his courting of white supremacists. I will now let you get back to your self-pity and bemoaning about how it's so unfair that old white men only have most of the power now, instead of all of it.
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I wonder what the percentage is of people who are German Neo-Nazis who prefer Trump and love David Hasselhoff?
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It's reaching a point where if this unpopularity is sustained into next year, it's going to really fuck over the midterms for the Republicans. There's a lot of faith been put in General Kelly that he can impose order on the chaos in the White House, and maybe impose some discipline on Trump, but if the incredible, almost unbelievable mishandling of Charlottesville is any indication (seriously, how hard is it to call out white supremacists by name?), then I'd say Kelly has been an utter failure thus far.
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It's too late for the Republicans. Have you seen the new budget? Everyone is pissed off. Social Security's 2016 report [ssa.gov] says the Trust is insolvent by 2034 (last page); the new 2018 budget reduces tax funding flowing into Social Security. The AARP, anyone who follows NASI, and even many of our current-generation are quite unhappy about this, and ... well, there goes your voter sentiment.
America's aging population and you fucked around with retirement. I get a pass on that because I'm making it more-st
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Are you kidding? I have to deal with this goddamn smartphone and this little itty-bitty keyboard on the screen that I can hardly see and the fact that the picture is always tilting sideways for no reason. There must be something wrong with this thing, because every time I go to the grocery store, I get a notification popping up that tells me I'm at the grocery store. I KNOW THAT YOU FUCKING IDIOT PHONE, I DROVE HERE. I wish I could go back to my fl
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The fiddly bits in your life won't make your life fall apart. Failed romantic goals, failed career goals, failure in school, failure to pay your mortgage, and severe medical issues will make your life fall apart.
Old people are way past school, family, and career building; they have an income source (retirement fund, pension), medical issues, and any remaining bills (rent, and possibly the tail end of a mortgage). Those things are stable thanks to social security and medicare. When they cease to be sta
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Trump got elected and the actual Nazis are publicly marching again.
You're 35. You don't know what a Nazi march looks like. If your grandparents are alive and old enough, ask them.
All I see is ugly, angry, and powerless rabble bitching at eachother and hating eachother. Just as the 1% wants them to. Bread and circuses? Fuck that, make them be their own circus.
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I can help with that.
https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]:
http://markmaynard.com/wp-cont... [markmaynard.com]
https://fsmedia.imgix.net/b9/d... [imgix.net]
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money... [turner.com]
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I don't know if my grandfather actually saw a Nazi or not. He was too busy running radio for the RAF on a bomber that was bombing them. He was also instrumental in the discovery that the Germans were using radar which earned him the Distinguished Flying Cross. He flew 42 B-11 anti-submarine sorties as well as air support for D-Day. Very few people in his squadron survived the war. If he were alive today I'm sure he'd punch a neo-nazi in the face or shoot them.
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All I see is ugly, angry, and powerless rabble bitching at eachother and hating eachother.
What do you think the Nazis were? No, not the Nazi Party in the 30s and 40s, the Nazi Party and the NSDAP of the Weimer Republic. They slowly clawed together power because conditions in Germany after World War I were... not good, to say the least, and got much worse under the Great Depression. They managed to successfully scrape together popular support taking that poor, hateful rabble and giving them a target to their anger. Jews, homosexuals, non-Aryans in general, immigrants, lots of people, but those fi
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...that "politics and political agendas have sidelined the important mission of rebuilding America's manufacturing base..." The president has been doing what he can on the executive side on things like trade, vocational training, et al. The politics & political agendas that have been doing the sidelining have been things like the obsession w/ Russia, daily protests against the president, the fake news media (now including FNC) slamming him for everything he does. Trump is not the one who has been ignoring the issues involved w/ bringing manufacturing back into the country
What a load of bull shit. Trump could be working on things that matter regardless of the circus, but he's not and the only person to blame for that is Trump himself. We know Trump has spent over a 5th of his time in office at his personal golf courses. If he can spend time on that, and doesn't have time to work on a plan for manufacturing jobs, then we can clearly see where his priorities are.
Those guys who leave b'cos Trump failed to explicitly mention 'White Supremacists', as opposed to the implicit inclusion of them in his remarks, are precisely the people who allow their own politics & political agendas to sideline the missions for which they were on that council in the first place.
Trump has no problem specifically denouncing just about anyone else, so why does he have such a soft spot for the
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The bowels didn't evacuate... Or did they?
Re:Whose fault is it... (Score:4, Interesting)
Well, if there's one positive attribute of the Trump presidency, it's that Congress is going to pull back a whole lot of powers that it deferred to the Presidency over the last seventy years or so. Ringfencing Russia sanctions are only the beginning. I'll wager there's probably drafts of bills to prevent him from buggering up trade agreements, ringfence the FBI and a whole host of other initiatives that will come down the pike. The US Government is kind of like the Internet, it routes around damage, and while Trump can still do a lot of it, a good deal of the modern Presidential powers aren't in fact constitutional, but statutory.
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He didn't really denounce them at all until 48 hours after the events. What he did was make some general statement against violence, basically trying to equate the anti-fascist protesters with a pack of Nazi thugs. It was only when members of his own party began calling him out, and even his own press people couldn't really explain his unwillingness to call out the Nazis (many of which seemed quite keen to make the association between themselves and the President), that he finally made an explicit condemnat