'Call For a Ban On Child Sex Robots' (bbc.com) 597
An anonymous reader shares a BBC report: There should be a ban on the import of sex robots designed to look like children, the author of a new report into the phenomenon has said. Prof Noel Sharkey said that society as a whole needed to consider the impact of all types of sex robots. His Foundation for Responsible Robotics has conducted a consultation on the issue. Only a handful of companies were currently making sex robots, said Prof Sharkey. But, he added, the upcoming robot revolution could change that. The report, Our sexual future with robots, was written to focus attention on an issue barely discussed at the moment, he said. The report acknowledged that finding out how many people actually owned such robots was difficult because the companies that made them did not release the numbers. But, said Prof Sharkey, it was time society woke up to a possible future where humans and robots had sex. "We do need policymakers to look at it and the general public to decide what is acceptable and permissible," he said. "We need to think as a society what we want to do about it. I don't know the answers -- I am just asking the questions."
There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Funny)
Sure, I know this is a serious issue because, well, it has to be: Children and Sex are in the same headline... But I want to bring your attention to another, more despicable, more disgusting, more heartbreaking, and damn right more obscene perversion that is just out of control in our society: Robotic Sex Horses. When will these stallions be unchained and set free? God almighty, I need to go take a shower
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
Why don't we just instead destroy Noel Sharkey instead? It's cheaper to just destroy one pointless human than bother with its attention seeking behaviors.
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I am telling ya. Whoever bought Slashdot has some really WEIRD agenda. It isn't true pedophilia if it's an inanimate object, it's rather similar to jacking off to "underage" hentai. It's always going to be weird for the majority of the population.
But this is JUST the kind of article that Mrs. Mash would post.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Interesting)
And in the good ole USA it is always "Think of the Children!!
It should be "Think about the data". These child-sexbots are legal in Japan, and many psychologists there believe that they help pedos to avoid interactions with real children. But, so far there is no published data.
In a free society, anything should be legal by default, and the burden should be on the advocates of a ban to provide evidence of harm.
The moral panic in TFA is justified with some severe cognitive dissonance. It says adult sexboxs will cause "social isolation" as people use them as substitutes for interaction with other people ... yet child sexbots will do the exact opposite, and cause more interaction with children. That makes no sense.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
It isn't true pedophilia if it's an inanimate object, it's rather similar to jacking off to "underage" hentai.
That's a gray area and not one I'm going to discuss, but I will say that banning "Underage" robots (dolls, really) or hentai is as idiotic a move as was making mere possession of child pornography illegal.
If the availability of these "robots" prevents even one pedophile from seeking an actual child, they're a not positive for society; the same applies to hentai. As for photos and videos, yes, please go after the people who make and distribute them -- go after them with a vengeance -- and hold for questioning anyone caught in possession, so you can find the people who make and distribute them, so you can go after them with said vengeance.
But, society needs to consider the effect of having similar punishment for acts which actively harm children and acts which merely depict actual harm someone else has perpetrated upon children; if the guy you nab wit ha couple of photos knows he's gonna get shanked in prison whether or not he tells you where he got them, you're not getting that information from him. If those photos were what was keeping him from harming children himself, his possession of them was already a net positive; if we can turn his being caught with them (and released for cooperating) into an intelligence gathering tool to track down the people who actually harm children (and photograph themselves in the act), we can make it an even bigger net positive.
Of course, anyone caught in possession of it in the first place should, themselves, be investigated as the potential source. But mere possession should not carry the same get-shanked-in-prison punishment as production or distribution. That it does is a large part of the reason it's difficult to track down the producers and distributors in the first place.
Mind you, these people are all sick but, like we do not lock people up for having a cold, we should not lock them up for this illness. We could at least actually protect the children by not actively seeking to destroy the ones who seek help (pedophilia is an exception to patient confidentiality; therapists are not only allowed, but urged, to contact police if one of their patients seeks help to keep themselves from harming a child) and by allowing potential offenders other outlets for their urges. And, if they're caught with material depicting such despicable acts, we hold them until they give up the source (we make not doing so a felony), then we let them go. They'll find another source, they'll get caught again, they'll give up that source, lather, rinse, repeat. All the while they're not harming children because they have another outlet, and we're tracking down and locking up the people who actually are harming children. That would protect children.
To be clear, yes, lock them up (and throw away the key) for actually harming a child, or producing or distributing photos or videos of actual child harm. Use those who choose other outlets which don't directly harm children (again, the child was harmed by the abuser and whoever filmed or photographed the act) as resources to track down the vile trash who actively harm children and finally put a dent in the problem.
Enough stories of school teachers caught with child porn facing prison time; they got that porn from someone, compel them to reveal their source and lock them up if they don't (or if they lie and the source does not pan out), for impeding an investigation. They'll get the same death-by-shank punishment in prison once the other inmates find out what investigation they impeded. Police would be absolutely justified in further investigating whether he had any inappropriate involvement with students, and throwing the book at him for that; but not for mere possession. In any case the school would be right to fire them; those people need not be around children.
And that is how we protect children.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:4, Interesting)
You could use that same reasoning to suggest we not have laws prohibiting murder.
Yes and no, it really depends how you apply it. It's one thing to ban a physical item from existence or possession; it's an entirely different thing to ban a concept or action.
To best illustrate this, imagine someone unknowingly planting "you having killed your next door neighbor" in your backpack.
Can't imagine that, because "you having killed your next door neighbor" is an action and not something that can be slipped in among your belongings without your knowledge? It's certainly not something you could do without your knowledge. It's something you may do unintentionally, maybe even something you could be blackmailed or otherwise forced or tricked into doing, but you'd know if you did it.
There you have it.
You probably have child porn in your browser cache, whether you've browsed (regular) porn sites or not, put there alongside who knows what else as part of a malvertizing campaign. If you do, you almost certainly don't know it.
Likewise, imagine the number of shipments of seemingly innocuous cargo that likely contained booze the driver of the truck carrying the cargo didn't know about during the prohibition era. That's possession, that would have been a lengthy prison sentence for the driver, and he didn't even know he was hauling it.
It still happens with drugs today; yes, most people hauling bricks of weed in their trunk know it's there, but most truckers hauling bricks of weed (or whatever) hidden in TV boxes, alongside other TV boxes actually containing TVs, probably don't know it. They're still in possession and still on the hook if their truck gets searched, though.
That's the primary difference between banning physical items and banning actions and concepts. The mere concept of child sexual abuse is (rightly) banned, as is the act itself (again, rightly so). Possession of physical evidence that it happened (not evidence that you did it, just that it happened ever, at some point) is something completely different; it's something you could (and likely do) have in your possession right now, at this moment, without even knowing it.
Punishment for breaking the law in this country is supposed to be based on intent, and you can't intend to possess something you don't know you possess.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
Also a large amount of research suggests that porn availability etc is negatively correlated with sexual assault, and this includes child sexual assault. I'd imagine that if porn is negatively correlated with rape than sex robots will be as well. It is no less than sexual supply and demand. Of couse not all porn viewers are would-be rapists, but *some are* and by denying porn to everyone, yo'du get more unhappy people and a *few* who turn to rape. (In the same way that if the supply of a product drops, prices rise and *some* people turn to stealing to get it, yet, this doesn't imply that all users of the product are would-be thieves).
Banning unpleasant depictions runs the real proven risk of backfiring and having people live out those fantasies in real life instead. It's the general outcome of prohibition laws, or outlawing prostitution for example. It gives a nice polite facade to the issue that the problem is "gone" but it in fact drves it underground. "Think of the children" arguments are really about protecting the sensibilities of the speaker, and they general reject actual evidence as to whether children will in fact be harmed more by the policy than otherwise.
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Re:There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
If only people could get past their middle school snickering when ever sex is brought up.
Western society is currently expanding its view on sexuality and acceptance of different forms of sexuality as legally and socially acceptable. We are now realizing that sexual preference is not a choice but part of the person.
Now we have the problem with pedophiles. They have a sexual attraction to kids. There isn't much we can do about that, we can't change them. But unlike many other sexual preferences this leads to dangerous behavior. Because the children who are the object of their affection are not in a position of power to consent, and haven't learned or even considered learning stradigied to avoid unwanted attention. That is why any action can get them in jail and labeled as a sex offender for life.
However there are a lot of these people who are not in jail, and due to their moral compass they choose to repress their sexual tendencies as they know the harm is in it.
But that is where the problem is sexuality is a core instinct. We can will off an instinct however it is a lot of work, and a lapse could cause a problem.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
A rubber doll is not a person. It doesn't have feelings, or pain, or sex organs. It's a piles of plastic. This is like banning soda bottles because someone probably put their dick in one.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Funny)
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Budweiser is never OK. It serves no purpose.
Re:Another Orientation (Score:5, Insightful)
Just wait...people who are attracted to "sex robots" will be classified as yet another sexual orientation and will insist on marrying them, parading them around in public, and demand that the robot maintenance be included in their health benefits.
More likely than that, another group of people will actively persecute them for being different and having different interests than them.
The same people that bash homosexuality, transgenderism, and other cultures will have a new group of people to hate and discriminate against.
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You haven't shown any reason why gender issues have gone too far. You've said that they go beyond what you want to think about. There are very few people whose sex and/or gender actually matter to me. In all other cases, I'll just accept what the person in question thinks of themself, except in cases of actual harm to others.
Who the heck can run oversight on the overall population? If the overall population can't be trusted, well, we'll have to do without trust in them, because we have no choice.
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There would be very little point in marrying say, a realdoll
Tax breaks. If you can get reduced tax because you're heterosexual then it's gender preference discrimination not to offer the same option to people that want to fuck robots.
Who should asexual people marry?
Asexual people can marry any consent giving human they want to marry.
Too much of the confusion between who marries who has come about via the religion aspect. Religion has weddings. The world has marriage, which is a secular arrangement that allows the couple to get certin benefits, and gives them certain obligations. It is like a two person business partnership , just not called such.
The confusion comes about from churches being granted the ability to perform the secular joining as well as the relig
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I have heard of some women marrying themselves, but it isn't a real thing, just a sort of strange self affirmation. I wonder what the honeymoon would be like though.
I suspect a sex robot is involved. The sort that fits into a handbag.
Re:There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Interesting)
There isn't much we can do about that, we can't change them.
Actually, there are some successful treatments. Not for all of them, and not like those "gay conversion camps". It's basically a form of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy, where they learn to recognize the patterns of thought that lead them to sexualizing children and alter them.
Similar treatments are available for people with a sex/porn addiction, and related addictions like exercise. Those things are addictive because, like drugs, they make you feel good for a while and you start to crave that feeling. The only real difference with paedophiles is that it's much harder for them to get treatment, because few people are willing to go to their doctor and admit that they are attracted to children.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Interesting)
I have a neighbor, whom I count as a real friend, who went to prison for sharing what was classified as child pornography. Specifically, he dated someone who was legally allowed to consent to sex, but images of her nude were illegal.
He went to prison and was then obligated to do a bunch of therapy, lest they return him to prison. What amuses me is that he is still with the same partner and they have kids together. There is, as near as I can tell, zero chance of him having sex with someone who is not legally able to consent.
Again, she was old enough to have sex but the pictures the two of them took together were illegal, as was his sharing of those pictures online - even though she also consented to that. She was either 16 or 17, if you're curious. Legal to sex, illegal to take pics...
Anyhow, CBT was a big part of his therapy. Though, according to him, they aimed more at the grooming stage. You have to convince you, them, and find the opportunity. (Most aren't people snatching kids off the street.) So, they have three, at least, barriers to cross and warning signs for all of them. They concentrated there instead of starting at the point of changing their attractions/deviations.
IIRC, it was headed by a lady who is now deceased but the had consistently lower than average rates of recidivism and there are people continuing her work. I want to say her name was Tracy Morgan- Stanley, but it wasn't my job to remember it, though I did do some research when I first learned that they were an offender.
Re:There is much, much worse! (Score:4, Funny)
If you think that's perverted, you're going to be in for a shock when you see what the Japanese are going to do with sexbots. I anticipate that it starts with "Robotic Sex Unicorns", adds tentacles, and.. uh. Well.
Okay, I need to go take a shower.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:4, Insightful)
But why ban a robot that looks like a child?
I'd certainly rather have a person having sex with a robot than a child.
I think the GATEWAY mentality of drugs and sex has been shown to be false. It isn't like a child sex robot is going to convert a person with no interest in children into a pedophile.
It isn't like shooting up one marijuana is going to make you drink heroin.
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It isn't like shooting up one marijuana is going to make you drink heroin.
Besides, when you shoot up marijuana the leaves tend to clog up the syringe.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Interesting)
gateway drugs are real - almost nobody start injecting heroin from day one.
Actually, it's been shown that social isolation is the trigger for drug addictions. That drug usage developed as a survival mechanism so that brains (not only human one) who would otherwise commit suicide remain active for as long as the condition of isolation remains, until the conditions causing their need are solved, at which point the addiction begins to recede.
The interesting part is that this applies even to heroin. Many people who get into intensive care while suffering from severe pain receive what amounts to "heroin with another name", sometimes for many months, as an analgesic. And the majority of those, when they leave the hospital and stop using the drug, suffer almost no physical withdrawal symptoms, and no psychological ones. The reason for that is that they have a full life to go back to: family, work, friends, sports, hobbies, church etc. As such, the addiction survival mechanism isn't active and no addiction happened.
Now, what happens with "gateway" drugs is that the person who doesn't have a full life to keep them addiction free remains in survival mode and needs more and more to keep active, and the brain dead solution of removing the drugs doesn't fix the causes of the issue, it only makes the person more and more and more miserable, until the person dies or suicides.
Here's the true solution to drug addiction then: care for these people. Care enough that their brains shut the addiction survival mechanism down. Once that's done addiction rates will begin doing down, until all that remains are the few people whose brains have a defective addiction survival mechanism that remains active despite the lack of the environmental triggers. Then treat those few people medically.
Focusing on the drugs themselves is thus treating the symptoms, and poorly, while ignoring the causes of the illness.
Re: There is much, much worse! (Score:5, Insightful)
The thing is, we are really good at getting people through the physical withdrawal when we want to be. It can even be accomplished painlessly while the patient is in deep sedation if necessary. It's only done that way for people who can afford private clinics mostly because our society has a real punitive bloodlust just below the surface.
The psychological aspects are harder. That's the part that causes the now-clean addict to shoot up again anyway. Social connection and having the sort of life one looks forward to helps that part a great deal.
Let's do some research first (Score:5, Insightful)
First find out if having childlike sex dolls are a stepping stone to abusing real children, or if they are a good substitute so that less children are abused. Depending on the answer, either allow or ban them.
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find out if having childlike sex dolls are a stepping stone to abusing real children
Can you give a general outline of how to make such study that can demonstrate causality and get past ethics committee?
Re:Let's do some research first (Score:5, Interesting)
Can you give a general outline of how to make such study that can demonstrate causality and get past ethics committee?
Take 2 groups of Paedophiles post release from prison give one group access to the robots and measure the re-offending rates in both groups.
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Perhaps measure response to stimuli before and after use of such a doll?
If the issue is “does sex toys increase desire or reduce shame to have sex with living humans?” then this could give meaningful answers. But in this case we are more interested in whether this will increase sexual abuse. How do you measure the link between the two?
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In fact the child robot could keep track of the owner, at the same time reporting the owner's browsing habits for sale to Amazon, Google and the NSA. Heck, why not have a robot child watching EVERYONE? Sure, it's creepy, but that's the price you pay for eternal vigilance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Folded_Hands
Those guys weren't very tall. ''to serve and obey and guard men from harm".
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Agreed, but it's likely that the answer will be something like "it depends on the individual". That's certainly how it is with other types of porn. The majority of people can handle it just fine, but some small number... And because it's children, people who don't have the same ability as adults to protect themselves...
Well, it's hard to see how western lawmakers will not go for an outright ban, which is unfortunate because there could be some real benefit to society here.
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It surely depends on the individual, but you could determine the overall effect.
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How about we get outraged about abuse of real kids instead of objects. Going after thoughtcrime can be a bit of a slippery slope once it gets into victimless territory.
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That's going to depend on the individual...
If you assume that paedophilia is a medical condition (after all, its a matter of sexual preference which the individual in question has no control over), then perhaps a doctor should diagnose wether the individual will benefit from the use of a robot or not.
Re:Let's do some research first (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not sure where this idea that sexual preference is inherent and unchangeable comes from. Well, some preferences seem to be, like being straight or gay.
From what I can tell, all these notions of sexual orientation and gender identity essentialism seem to stem from a defensive posture taken by the queer community, one that (as a genderqueer and pansexual person myself) has always seemed to have really unfortunate implications to me. It seems like the "it's not a choice!" mantra stems from a reaction to people saying that queer people are making bad (immoral, etc) life choices. But if something isn't a choice, so goes the folk notion of moral responsibility at least, then you can't be blamed for it, so to escape those attacks people take up the position that there's no choice involved.
I've always thought that had the unfortunate implication of ceding the attacker's claims that there's something wrong with the behavior/feelings/etc in the first place, and just claiming "I can't help it!" But if (as in most cases of e.g. trans or gay people, not with pedophilia here) there's nothing wrong in the first place, then there's no "helping it" to be done at all. Do you like any weird foods that other people think are gross? Why do you like them? Is that a matter of free choice, nature, or nurture? (It's probably a complex mix of all of them but) it doesn't matter, so long as we're not talking about killing people to eat their brains or something, because even if everybody else thinks your preferences are disgusting, you don't have to justify them to anyone but yourself.
Could I possibly avoid being attracted to who I'm attracted to? Maybe, I don't know, it's probably a complicated and difficult question to answer, and outside of idle academic curiosity I don't want and don't need to bother trying to answer it because it doesn't matter, I don't have to avoid being attracted to who I'm attracted to, because there's nothing wrong with it.
Maybe with pedophiles it is more important to answer that question. Or maybe it's just enough to make sure they know how to control their actions in spite of their feelings, like everyone should be able to anyway. (Most men's sexual attraction to women doesn't compel them to rape them, even most men who aren't able to find consenting partners usually manage to just go without, however much it might pain them to do so.) Which highlights the other side of the unfortunate implications the "I don't have a choice!" plea has. If someone has some psychological compulsion to do something terrible, like the aforementioned brain-eating cannibalism, that doesn't get them off the hook for it. The just purpose of punishment is not to inflict suffering on people for their bad choices, it's to protect other people from their bad behavior, if possible by reforming the perpetrators not to attempt those behaviors again, and to making them alone bear the cost of those behaviors, and if the perpetrators suffering is a necessary side-effect of achieving those goals, then so be it. If something is truly not a choice, then inflicting suffering won't be effective at reform, but that doesn't mean you just let the perps go because they couldn't help it. You still need to make sure restitution is paid to their victims and future victims are protected. However you can manage to do that. It doesn't matter that inflicting suffering won't accomplish that because they don't have a choice; a just society still has to do something about it. If that means locking them up for the protection of others then it doesn't matter one way or another that they didn't have a choice, because it's not about beating them over the head for their bad choices, it's just about protecting other people.
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You think they rape children with those robots? Now that's sick.
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It doesn't matter if other people nearby hear it, they're going to hear the victim screaming anyways, and their loved ones wailing. Gunshot detectors won't detect a bow, or wailing loved ones.
If you tried to make a listening device that was sensitive enough to hear crossbows, you'd have a few thousand false positives for every true positive, even if all murderers switched to crossbows.
Re:Let's do some research first (Score:5, Insightful)
No. I am not saying one is right or wrong... just that they are. Aside from societal pressures, it's got to suck when one is in love with someone who they cannot create biological offspring with (ie 'cis' gay/lesbian)...
My wife and I seem to get along just fine even though we are biologically unable to conceive children, even if we wanted to. It turns out that there's more to a happy relationship than conceiving children. Homosexual couples have pretty much the same options as straight couples that want a baby (adoption, artificial insemination, etc). They may need to look outside of their relationship to find a willing uterus, egg or sperm, but many straight couples face the same problem.
Re:Let's do some research first (Score:5, Interesting)
You are going to hell if you have sex with your wife. According to the Catholics, the singular purpose of sex is procreation. Any other reason is a sin. You may as well turn gay.
Fortunately, we don't don't believe in mythical magical beings.
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Absolutely this! My GF is too old to have kids, and I'm too old to raise kids. We still have a great relationship.
How do you function as a couple without someone bursting into your room saying their tummy hurts every time you try to be intimate? Or without being woken 20 times a night and getting cranky and annoyed with each other.
It must be very hard on your relationship.
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Given a choice I'm sure a pedophile would always try to have sex with a human child rather than a robot one. Because in the depths of their hearts they don't believe what they are doing is wrong.
I get that this material is just too scary for you to do research on, but you would be completely wrong [theweek.com]:
Next time, grow a pair and do the research instead of hiding from readily available facts that you can get from google. There is a real d [theatlantic.com]
takes one to know one? (Score:5, Funny)
I think Prof Noel Sharkey is perhaps a little too preoccupied with the dangers of "child sex robots".
Re:takes one to know one? (Score:5, Funny)
Remember: If you think of the children all the time, you're likely a pedo.
Re:takes one to know one? (Score:5, Insightful)
While this is funny, chances are that most violently anti-pedos are indeed closet-pedos. It works this way for every other sexual orientation. Sure, a pedo must never do it with an actual child, but what is the harm in doing it with a piece of silicon? Preventing that is just punishing people because of something they have no control over.
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Same logic as with anything sexually related: It's icky and we don't want to think about it.
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Yes, looks like it. But they do want to push laws that likely make the problem worse. Does not get much more immoral than this.
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While this is funny, chances are that most violently anti-pedos are indeed closet-pedos.
Some, anyway. "Most" is a pretty strong claim. In this case, I'm sure many violent anti-pedos are anti because they were abused as children and want to make sure it never happens again (and some of them may have pedophilic tendencies as a result of their abuse, but they're not "closet pedos" if they never act on those tendencies).
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While this is funny, chances are that most violently anti-pedos are indeed closet-pedos. It works this way for every other sexual orientation.
Kinda like how Pat Robertson is a raging homosexual? Kinda makes sense doesn't it.
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From the summary:
"We need to think as a society what we want to do about it. I don't know the answers -- I am just asking the questions."
He is saying temporary ban while we figure it out... Like Trump's Mus^H^H^H travel ban. You supported the travel ban in the past, didn't describe Trump as being "preoccupied with the dangers of Muslims".
Why the double standard?
Seriously? (Score:5, Insightful)
Take someone who is attracted to children and willing to channel that into fucking a childlike doll (robotic or otherwise) and ban their only harmless outlet. Oh yeah, that's thinking of the children all right.
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You are right, this is common sense. However, the same common sense teaches us that the Sun is rotating around Earth.
Sol does rotate around Terra. All non-accelerating reference frames are equally valid.
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It's a pretty major can of worms once you start going after thoughtcrime.
Personally I'd be more worried about the people confecting outrage on issues like this and what agenda they are trying to push with it than some imaginary person who may someday purchase these products that DO NOT EXIST. It's looking like someone is trying to pull a fast one on us.
What could possibly go wrong? (Score:5, Insightful)
In Switzerland, they consider loli manga to be childporn.
And I must ask, what exactly do they expect happens when they ban every single outlet a pwdophile might have that doesn't involve actual children?
Never mind that most child abusers aren't even pedos but that's different kettle of fish.
Re:What could possibly go wrong? (Score:4, Insightful)
That's like Walmart who stopped selling toy guns but keep seeling real ones.
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Current state of the US, I could see this happen AND people calling it sensible.
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Uhhh, abusing children is illegal in Switzerland, obviously. I'm not sure your analogy fits there.
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If you think child porn cartoons and sex robots should be banned you are not different from those who think they have a right to cut your head off for insulting their holy book or not believing in the (right) god. Think about it.
Re:What could possibly go wrong? (Score:5, Interesting)
Obligatory Futurama reference (Score:5, Funny)
Don't Date Robots!
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All of civilization was just an effort to impress the opposite sex. ... And, sometimes, the same sex.
What the hell is wrong with this idiot? (Score:2)
I'm 100% against child abuse and child porn, such things should have harsh punishments because the children cannot defend themselves.
This has NOTHING to do with children... these are robots...
What next, banning abuse of robot dogs because someone might then abuse a real dog?
If a guy wants to fuck a robot that looks like a child, I feel sad for him, but he doesn't need prison... maybe some counseling and a willing adult lady friend... but what the actual hell, are we now going to have thought police?
Speak
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I spent a number of years observing and dealing with pedophiles in a Federal prison setting, and I assure you I know a lot more about the behavior of pedophiles than you or most of the other people who use Slashdot.
Bottom line : the only way a pedophile won't be a threat to children is if that pedophile is dead. As long as the pedophile is alive, people who are charged with the safety of children who might be victimized must be eternally vigilant. A person who has any history of pedophile behavior must never be trusted with a child, PERIOD.
Best way to get to screw your dataset. Federal prison inmates aren't the best data set choice. The majority outside has far better self control. That's why they are outside and not inside the prison. You can work with the pedophiles outside. But that usually involves that they come to you before taking action. That needs a working conscience and ethics on their part. I doubt the prison inmates have the latter. I also doubt they tried to get help early.
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In the end not every paedophile is also an actual child abuser. A large subset of them may have a
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Huh? Which religion is against fucking children?
masturbation (Score:2, Insightful)
sex with a robot is just masturbation, nothing else.
Uhh... how about the opposite? (Score:4, Insightful)
If pedophiles are people who CAN'T control their natural impulses to have sex with children. Maybe we should 1) accept that they exist. and 2) advocate for safe outlets that allow them to deal with their "urges" without actually banging our children.
Are child sex robots disturbing? Probably. But what's more important? Not having to "think" about something disgusting, or actually stopping pedos from banging children?
Re:Uhh... how about the opposite? (Score:5, Insightful)
If pedophiles are people who CAN'T control their natural impulses to have sex with children
That is not what paedophilia is. By that understanding, heterosexual man is a man that can't control their impulse to have sex with women.
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"Rounding homosexuals up and executing them after a quick trial is the ONLY solution that is guaranteed to work. All other solutions, aside from life imprisonment of the homosexual, WILL eventually place normal people at risk. This is the case because a homosexual not only can't control the urge to have sex with partners of the same gender, but typically doesn't even want to control the desire. A true homosexual doesn't believe having sex with the same gender is wrong, and also believes that it is society w
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Well, given that anybody this violently against them is most likely secretly one of them, I propose we start with you and see how that goes.
In democratura lands (Score:2)
In my opinion in this sensitive area of the law there are should be some soberness as well as a system of checks and balances.
Subject vs Object (Score:2)
There Ought To Be A Law (Score:5, Interesting)
There should be a ban on [,,,]
Almost any time someone says these words, the response should be "No, no there shouldn't." Look at how many shitty, obsolete laws are still on the books that don't reflect modern societal values (e.g. Chicken Tax, alimony) that are unlikely to get stricken despite that, even if they're still enforced. We should be loathe to put new, poorly-thought-out laws on the books that are premised on tenuous social values, given this fact. Next year's headline: "After new study, sex offenders leaving prison given mandatory sexbots."
Re:There Ought To Be A Law (Score:4, Interesting)
Damn! I'd mod this up +1 as RELEVANT and up +1 as Well Thought Out if I had any mod points left.
Seems like it's a lose-lose situation when a law can't be voided when more than 1/3 of the people in the country want it to be GONE, and even worse when MORE than half want a law revoked but can't get it NULL'ed out.
Simple resolution (OK, so it's simplISTIC), but it should take 2/3 of the population to implement a law, but only 1/3 to delete a law - - - things would get MUCH better within a single year. (note that with 2/3 and 1/3 ALL voting, it could be a stalemate, hence a NULL operand on the law - i.e. NOT passed).
AND, with this simplistic setup, we wouldn't need to go through "the year they killed all the lawyers".
REALITY CHECK (Score:3, Insightful)
Robot Cruelty (Score:4, Funny)
These robots have been programmed to want sex and you're denying it to them, that's robot cruelty professor no sex.
What a disingenuous ass. (Score:3)
In what fucking universe is calling for a ban on something "asking questions" about it, you stupid fuck?
I don't undersatand the logic behind this (Score:4, Insightful)
- Sex with children is wrong, therefore sex with robots is wrong? Fail.
- Sex with robots is wrong, therefore sex with robots who like like children is wrong? Fail.
- Paedophilia is wrong, therefore paedophiles should not have sex with robots? Fail.
- Robots are children, and sex with children is wrong, therefore sex with robots which look like children is wrong? Fail.
- People who have sex with robots which look like children will become paedophiles? No evidence.
- Paedophiles who have sex with robots which look like children are more likely to have sex with real children? No evidence.
- The thought of having sex with child like robots makes me uncomfortable, mmmkay? Bingo.
Permission Based Society (Score:5, Insightful)
A bedroom is private (Score:5, Insightful)
From the summary:
"We do need policymakers to look at it and the general public to decide what is acceptable and permissible,"
The society, policymakers and who ever have no reason, right whatsoever to decide what a human is doing with himself in a bed room. Using his hands, or what ever tool he wants, a vibrator or a bigger thing, the "fucking robot" is a machine. Who cares how it looks, what it does?
Absurdity (Score:5, Insightful)
What if I build a robot that looks like a child, and then wait 18 years to fuck it?
What if I build a robotic donkey to fuck? What if I build a robot that looks like Fifi La Fume?
What if I build a robot that doesn't resemble any creature in particular, but has plenty of vaginas? What if those vaginas look underage?
What if my "child sex robot" has the voice and personality of a 35-year-old smoker?
Banning imaginary abuse is silly. It's only going to get more silly the more you look into it.
Where to draw the line? (Score:3)
Some years ago I've heard the spokesperson of MOGIS an organisation representing child abuse victims answer the question on where to draw the line.
His simple answer as "At the victim". If there are victims it's a problem, if there aren't there's no problem.
Maybe that would be something to consider.
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Being a pedophile is not illegal (in sane countries, anyway). Like being gay, it's just the way you are. Masturbating with the aid of a robot is not illegal. Masturbating with the aid of a robot that looks like a child should likewise not be illegal.
Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:5, Insightful)
Being a pedophile is not illegal (in sane countries, anyway). Like being gay, it's just the way you are. Masturbating with the aid of a robot is not illegal. Masturbating with the aid of a robot that looks like a child should likewise not be illegal.
I'd much rather a pedo fucked a robot that looked like a kid rather than an actual kid.
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In fact, the first is not a problem, the second is a very serious problem.
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Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:5, Informative)
This supreme court would probably agreed with you. In 2002, they struck down a ban of virtual child porn (from the NYT:)
"Affirming that free speech principles apply with full force in the computer age, the Supreme Court today struck down provisions of a federal law that made it a crime to create, distribute or possess ''virtual'' child pornography that used computer images or young adults rather than actual children.
The law, the Child Pornography Prevention Act of 1996, ''prohibits speech that records no crime and creates no victims by its production,'' Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the majority in the court's latest decision upholding First Amendment protections online."
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Well, obviously all these people against it think that it is much, much better if people with these urges rape real children, than that they use a sex-toy that has a specific form. Why they think children getting raped is preferable is beyond me though, but that is what is going to happen and what they are promoting.
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Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:5, Insightful)
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The USA maybe (Score:2)
But worldwide that's not true; in the UK the age of consent is 16 regardless of the age of the other party. But then we've just noted the day when America decided it wanted to ignore the opinions of the rest of the world...
Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:4, Informative)
Being a paedophile does not harm anyone and is usually not illegal on its own...
Actually practicing paedophilia is what's illegal and what harms child victims.
It's perfectly possible for someone to have such desires, but refrain from acting upon them.
Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:5, Interesting)
You don't make any sense. Why would someone who is already attracted to children start raping them if he masturbates with a robot? If he's not raping them before the robot is available to function as an outlet, why would he start after?
Re: Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:4, Insightful)
No, you misrepresent his statement.
Being attracted to kids is not illegal. Having sex with them is.
Wanting to kill people and eat them isn't illegal. Killing people and eating them is illegal.
Do keep up.
Re:Make their USE/DISPLAY illegal... (Score:5, Funny)
Won't somebody please think of the robot children?!
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What about the hand? Do we ban sex with one's hand?
That's a sticky question.
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So the oppressive part about a guy is everything but his dick? Who'd have thought, especially considering that this is the part they need most for rape culture to even be possible...
Yeah, feminism males a LOT of sense.
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it is my sincere belief that government is inherently and intrinsically evil
Then you're thinking wrong about it. The government has no will, no consciousness, no soul (if you believe in that sort of thing) and no agency. The government is just a big pile of soylent green: it's made of people.
It is the people who act.
Thing is, your beloved corporations are also soylent green.