Electric Vehicles Have Another Record Year, Reaching 2 Million Cars In 2016 (iea.org) 332
An anonymous reader shares a report from the International Energy Agency: The number of electric cars on the roads around the world rose to 2 million in 2016, following a year of strong growth in 2015, according to the latest edition of the International Energy Agency's Global EV Outlook. China remained the largest market in 2016, accounting for more than 40% of the electric cars sold in the world. With more than 200 million electric two-wheelers and more than 300,000 electric buses, China is by far the global leader in the electrification of transport. China, the US and Europe made up the three main markets, totaling over 90% of all EVs sold around the world. Electric car deployment in some markets is swift. In Norway, electric cars had a 29% market share last year, the highest globally, followed by the Netherlands with 6.4%, and Sweden with 3.4%. The electric car market is set to transition from early deployment to mass market adoption over the next decade or so. Between 9 and 20 million electric car could be deployed by 2020, and between 40 and 70 million by 2025, according to estimates based on recent statement from carmakers.
China, the US and Europe (Score:4, Insightful)
Need to get cooler looking electric cars (Score:5, Insightful)
I feel like I'm the only person in the world that doesn't get a stiffy when looking at a Tesla. The Model S reminds me too much of a Jag with a dashboard that is overwhelmed with the 17" display and the Model 3 is just plain ugly.
Just like the Bolt and the Leaf. The i3 is about the best of a bad lot.
How about putting the front line designers on the vehicles and get the concepts evaluated by real people (not tree huggers that want drivers to be tortured even if they're burning electrons and not dinosaur sludge)?
I don't need to scream out at the world I have an electric car, I want something that looks nice, drives well and I can smile smugly to myself when I pass the pumps.
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I feel like I'm the only person in the world that doesn't get a stiffy when looking at a Tesla.
If you want a car that will give you an erection when you look at it then you need therapy, not a new car.
I want something that looks nice, drives well and I can smile smugly to myself when I pass the pumps.
Have you considered a Prius?
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Prius? Japanese for "turd on wheels."
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Suspension in the Prius is horrible. If you want a Toyota hybrid, you're better off with the Camry or one of the Lexus hybrids.
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That brings up another point. I like sports cars. I would not consider any of the BEVs out there a sports car. The Model S is a luxury sedan. I'm hoping that the Model 3 will handle well. If not, perhaps BMW will come out with a good handling BEV.
Re:Need to get cooler looking electric cars (Score:5, Insightful)
Technology has to go through stages. First you have the early adopters, who will buy the initial market offerings, which are inevitably too large, too expensive, and too inadequate, but they get to go around and say things "Have you seen my awesome cellular phone? And it only ways 10 lbs!"
Then you get the hipsters. They're the ones that buy the next generation of a technology, which has been greatly improved, but it still very damned expensive, but they're proud to announce over a cafe latte "I can buy my Pendleton scarves on Ebay with this!"
Then you get the executives. They want rugged and yet screams "I'm outrageously wealthy with a wife, a mistress and $200,000 sports car!" Again, the tech is still expensive, but at least it's now within the realm of an ordinary middle class grunt getting one.
The final stage is basically here everyone from a 12 year old to your gramma can get one. That's pretty much peak evolution for a technology. After that it's just steady refinement until one day, a successor product, after having gone through the early adopter, hipster and executive stages knocks it off its mantle and it ends up in a box somewhere and when you finally kick the bucket, your kids can go "Oh yeah, remember when we used to play Candy Crush and look up porn on that?"
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Missed your cognitive therapy class again, I see.
Re:Need to get cooler looking electric cars (Score:4, Funny)
The i3 isn't bad, but the i5 and i7 are better. Oh and there's the new upcoming i9 too, that thing is seriously badass.
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I feel the opposite (Score:2)
I never liked how the other Tesla cars looked, or at least I thought they were kind of bland - the Model 3 however I really like the look of. Have not seen the interior though.
Re:Need to get cooler looking electric cars (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't need to scream out at the world I have an electric car, I want something that looks nice, drives well and I can smile smugly to myself when I pass the pumps.
How about a Volt? It's pretty understated, it works well, is emissions free for the first 38 miles each day and you don't ever have to worry about getting stranded by a depleted battery.
Re:Need to get cooler looking electric cars (Score:5, Informative)
FYI it's up to 53 miles now in the new version.
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I don't need to scream out at the world I have an electric car, I want something that looks nice, drives well and I can smile smugly to myself when I pass the pumps.
How about a Volt? It's pretty understated, it works well, is emissions free for the first 38 miles each day and you don't ever have to worry about getting stranded by a depleted battery.
The Volt is okay. I dislike the idea of carrying around an extra motor, though. All that complexity and weight, for something that you really would prefer never to use.
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We had a pure BEV which my daughter crashed. I replaced it with a low mileage 2013 Volt for $11,000. For 98% of what my two daughters need, they can do it all on the battery. But, when they want to drive to New Hampshire to the beaches, they can put a few gallons in it and use the gas engine. It gets about 40 mpg which isn't as good as say a Prius, but 98% of the time they're not burning any gas at all (and thus no teenage fights about who needs to fill the tank).
So far I'm very happy with the Volt...
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I dont pay much attention to styling, and I almost bought i3 purely on the specs. 120 mile range and a limp home ic engine for emergencies. Enough, I said. Eagerly waited for it. BMW released a truly God awful car with 2000 lb carbon frame and the ugliest BMW ever made. They also released a Tesla competitor i8 or i9. That thing is cool. But priced at 90K to 120K I will only gawk at it.
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The i3 was really a design study that BMW tricked people into funding for them. In spite of the fancy pants materials they don't lose money on i3s because they are much cheaper to build per vehicle than almost any other low-volume vehicle. There's a cool video on Youtube where they take you through the plant and show you most of the build process. The biggest difference in cost is in the tooling for the carbon fiber body panels versus the cost in tooling for stamping metal ones. Since the pressures involved
Taste is subjective (Score:2)
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I don't need to scream out at the world I have an electric car, I want something that looks nice, drives well and I can smile smugly to myself when I pass the pumps.
I totally agree with this. I had a Honda Fit EV which was almost indistinguishable from the regular Fit. We now have a Volt which looks just like a Cruze, i.e. nobody realizes these are electric cars.
On the other hand, the Leaf is too fugly for me to want to own one (we'll see what they do with V2), and the i3 is also pretty darn ugly.
Early adopters (which I guess I am) typically want to make a statement, so you end up with something like a Prius that screams "I'm so green!!!".
I think we're past early adopt
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The Model S reminds me too much of a Jag with a dashboard that is overwhelmed with the 17" display and the Model 3 is just plain ugly.
Just like the Bolt and the Leaf. The i3 is about the best of a bad lot.
Everything you say is true, or at least the automotive press generally agrees with you. But what they have to say about the situation is that you can see that the vehicles are becoming less and less aggressively styled. The enthusiast early adopters want to be noticed. The best way to attract these people is with bold styling. Most other people just want something that looks like a car, and the automakers are beginning to serve those markets now. The Volt is relatively mainstream in appearance, Kia's Soul E
One man's Pacer is another Man's Ferrari (Score:2)
Thank you for the comments back.
Interesting to see the comments back about different vehicles and it's interesting to see the wide range of tastes in vehicles. I can respect that electric vehicles need to be "slippery" as well as visually different but for the most part they seem to miss their mark in terms of coming up with something that can be simply driven around town.
For what's available right now, I really don't find any appealing, maybe the b-class when it becomes available will change my mind.
just ban truck games. (Score:2)
look, if you want emissions down in USA it is rather simple, start co2 taxing like many places in the world.
do you know why Musk put his pants in a knot because trump announced getting out of the paris deal? because he needs that. tesla badly needs same kind of taxing as Finland etc have to go in effect in USA.
a small example is that for the same price of the cheapest tesla you can get a maserati in the usa. in Finland the maserati is 50 000 euros more expensive than the cheapest tesla. mind you that the ch
Re:just ban truck games. (Score:4, Informative)
He doesn't need more sales for Tesla. They have a very long list of customers. If you order a tesla 3 NOW you'll have to wait a year. In fact, no adverts for tesla are being made.
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look, if you want emissions down in USA it is rather simple, start co2 taxing like many places in the world.
Taxes won't help. All they will do is make everyone poorer. I've heard talks from people working on alternative energy and funding dries up when taxes are increased. People need the money and freedom to develop the next best thing. Oh, and these people complain about the cost of energy. It takes a lot of energy to weld windmills together and get them tested. Moving the windmills to the site means transport by truck.
When it comes down to it energy is energy. If carbon fuels are taxed then all energy p
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Parent makes the right response. Aerodynamics doesn't care what you think of how it looks; it is what it is. If you want to know what the extreme end of aerodynamic streamlining looks like, the Aptera 2e [google.is] was a pretty close example to maximizing it for a road vehicle. There's various decisions one can make about how they'd like their internal area laid out, and this affects the particulars of the optimal shape, but in general: front end like a deformed egg, all surfaces highly smooth with as few panel gaps a
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One may note that what the average person thinks "looks aerodynamic" often doesn't correspond to what actually is aerodynamic. The Saturn Sky [google.is] sure "looks" aerodynamic (top up), but its drag coefficient is 0.42. The Dodge Viper [google.is] is even worse, at 0.45, and the Ford Mustang [google.is] ranges from 0.44-0.48. Meanwhile, the definitely not-sleek looking Ford Escape [google.is] has a drag coefficient of 0.29. The SUV has a much larger cross-sectional area, of course, but that's beside the point -cross-sectional area is useful, but a h
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Beautiful and probably the most wicked car money can buy.
Amusingly bonkers quote from Wikipedia:
The electronically limited top speed is now 355 km/h (221 mph)
Is there a technical reason for this limitation? Does the car take off if it goes faster or something? I can't imagine it's a regulatory thing.
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And I still have nowhere to charge one (Score:2)
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You have zero outlets in your home? Is it a tent?
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I have somewhere to charge one (Score:2)
And even a convenient circuit run into the carport.
My problem is that I live in the sticks and the range won't do, because most of my trips are out of town.
Maybe my next car purchase will be a hybrid or something but I'm only about 4k into my highly safe and comfortable German luxobarge and the difference buys a lot of fuel. If I drove more, it would make no sense. I just hope I can hang on until EVs get cheap so that I don't have to work on cars any more, at least not really. Not like now.
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don't forget to include maintenance in your comparison. EV's are cheaper to maintain.
I could buy two to four more of these cars before I would even approach the cost of the cheapest vaguely credible used EV.
Obligatory Responses (Score:5, Insightful)
[Response 1: My commute is 300 miles! As a result this electric vehicle is useless for everyone!]
[Response 2: Some electricity is coal-generated! As a result, in all jurisdictions, this car is more polluting than a 1973 VW Microbus!]
Re:Obligatory Responses (Score:5, Interesting)
[Response 3: I do not have a private garage and have no place to charge it at home]. While there are an ever growing number of public charging facilities, given that charging times are rarely less than 20 minutes, the time you spend just waiting in a line to charge you car at a public charging station can sometimes be an hour or more. Compared to waiting perhaps 5 to 10 minutes in a line up at a gas station where your car can be ready to go in about another 2 or 3 minutes.
This is actually my own sole objection to electric vehicles, really... and I doubt I'm alone.
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It's worse than you think, if you do some math.
Look up how much energy is in a gallon of gasoline. Next time you fill your tank note how long it takes to fill and how many gallons were pumped. Now figure out how many watts that gasoline pump just transferred. Do some tinkering with that math and compute how many amps that would be with a typical household electrical service voltage. With an atypical household service voltage. With an industrial electrical service. Go look up some electric service code
Re:Obligatory Responses (Score:5, Insightful)
Do some tinkering with that math and compute how many amps that would be with a typical household electrical service voltage.
Counterpoint 1: Consider how many hours a day is your vehicle is sitting unused, and that virtually every moment of that could potentially be used for charging.
Counterpoint 2: The basic "level 2" charging rate available at virtually all private homes and businesses charges at a rate of about 25 miles per hour, and completes a full charge in 4 hours or less.
but electricity does not work for things like powering trains
Counterpoint 1: Virtually all light rail in my area is "3rd rail" electric, and pretty much every subway is as well. There is also older, overhead electric type.
Counterpoint 2: Trains are about the easiest to electrify, adding "battery cars" strikes me as quite feasible.
long haul trucking, aircraft, watercraft, and so much more
Counterpoint 1: The vast majority of trucking is not long-haul.
Counterpoint 2: Why would it be necessary to replace *every* mode of transportation with a single technology? How does it affect the benefits of electrifying personal vehicles if it's currently not practical to make battery electric aircraft?
Well, for one it might be helpful if idiot tree huggers stop protesting oil pipelines. We need that oil.
Counterpoint 1: Basically none of the oil in the recently contested Keystone XL pipeline would end up being used in the US. The pipeline is bullshit.
Counterpoint 2: Yes, we will need petroleum for lots of things for the foreseeable future... all the more reason to try and NOT burn it unless we absolutely have to.
These idiot tree huggers are destroying the environment.
Counterpoint: Your derogatory characterization and pigeonholing of people who can see the forest for the trees (if you'll allow the expression) is both inaccurate and childish.
=Smidge=
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It's worse than you think, if you do some math.
You can always make a situation look dire if you start doing math with bad assumptions. I'm shit at math, and even I understand that if you're working with the wrong numbers, you're going to get the wrong answer. People's behavior changed when we went from the horse and buggy to the train, and when we went from the train to the car, and it will change again when our cars change from rapid refill to a longer charge time, even if that time is not that much longer. Perhaps the gasoline filling stations that do
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Of course, all is negated because you found the black swan, the tall midget, the short giant.
There is still a majority of rail that is not electrified. Many of these rails it is not economical to electrify. When an electric locomotive fails how is it recovered? With a diesel locomotive. How is a failed diesel locomotive recovered? With another diesel locomotive.
A diesel locomotive can travel electrified tracks but an electric train cannot travel on non-electrified tracks. This advantage is used often
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Of course, all is negated because you found the black swan
Given the number of black swans in my area. I find this reply to "electricity doesn't work for trains" hilarious.
There is still a majority of rail that is not electrified.
Across the entire world yes, America contributes their fair share to that statistic. In the EU >90% is electrified. >98% of haulage is done electrically. Many countries ban train cargo haulage by any non-electric means, and some countries have 100% electrification and ban the use of diesel locos.
Let's say that we use electric locomotives to move the fuel for airplanes and ships, does that mean we can do away with those oil pipelines? No. Because moving oil by electric train is asking for not only another spill (much more common when moving fuel by train than by pipe) but now it's moving on a rail in close proximity to high voltage power lines.
Let me quote to you something of reference: "Of course, all is negated because you found the bla
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In 3 years o Leaf ownership, doing regular 150 mile round trips, I've spent maybe 10 minutes waiting for charging. Less than I spent queuing for petrol in the 3 years prior.
You don't charge an EV like you fuel a combustion car. You park it, plug it in and go do something else you were going to do anyway. 99% of the time it's much, much more convenient than having to go out of your way just to get fuel and dedicate time to nothing but pumping dirty, smelly liquid.
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There are two types of charging station: Normal and rapid.
The normal ones take 4-8 hours to completely charge a car, but of course no-one rolls up with 0% so it's almost always much less than that. It's generally acceptable to leave your car plugged in to those while you are parked, and the solution to waiting it just to install more of them. They are cheap and some places just have one per parking space now.
With rapid chargers you are looking at 40-50 minutes for a full charge, but 30 minutes is more typic
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My first thought about this was about these vehicles being coal powered as you predicted. My second thought was that with billions of people without reliable electric service this development is quite meaningless to them.
How do we bring electricity to one or two billion more people and not add to the carbon output of humanity? If this plan to replace petroleum powered vehicles with electric ones does not include a plan to develop carbon free energy then we will have a problem.
Wind power is great until you
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Forget Nuclear power. It's not going to happen because when you break ground for a new plant thousands of crazy people will descend on you and picket and sue you into oblivion. Chernobyl and Fukishima failures have brought that hysteria to a crescendo. Forget it.
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To the extent that my exposure to electric vehicles is riding in a friend's Model S, I think electric car are great. My concern is where all the extra electricity will come from with mass adoption.
The best figure I've seen is a study by Xcel energy that says with 75% penetration, demand grows by 14%. I don't know if this is a big number or a small number relative to available capacity or if it takes into account peak effects like everybody wanting to charge in a 10 hour window, especially the loading on r
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I think when I've seen this it's been "no problem" because of lower overall nighttime loads or some hand-waving with "more rooftop residential solar" and the like, although I don't know how solar helps with nighttime charging without some extra batteries for storage.
Well, we are getting extra batteries for storage. Right now the primary option seems to be Powerwall, which is not especially affordable; the primary customer for that product seems to be the Model S owner, who has already demonstrated themselves to be possessed of some significant disposable income. However, as such products become more common, we can expect to see the prices fall.
Another aspect is non-residential solar helping to pick up the slack there. covering commercial parking lots with solar panels
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How do we bring electricity to one or two billion more people and not add to the carbon output of humanity?
Batteries. They fix the intermittency issues of renewables. You could even put them on wheels and transport that stored energy around!
This is from a Morgan Stanley director at the 2016 Platts nuclear conference.
Hmm, I'm sure he was being completely unbiased and straight with you when he claimed that wind was so much worse than the industry whose conference he was at.
Wind is much cleaner than nuclear any way you slice it. Fewer bird kills, less CO2 emitted over its lifetime, much cheaper...
Re:Obligatory Responses (Score:4, Insightful)
Still does nothing to address the amount of steel and concrete needed for wind power. Coal and nuclear use 1/10th the steel and concrete for the same power output. Where does this steel and concrete come from?
If advancements in wind mill technology can halve the cost of wind then would it not also be possible for advancements in technology to reduce the costs of nuclear power by a similar amount? Especially when wind takes so much more resources per production capacity? Wind is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. Once people realize the environmental impact of wind power to that of nuclear then nuclear will dominate.
Those that oppose nuclear power are ignorant, mentally impaired, or both. We can fix ignorant, but we can't fix stupid.
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Why do Electric Car makers not make EVs that... (Score:2)
Look Identical or indistinguishable to a Gasoline powered model. Just like there is a market for Android Phones that cosmetically resemble iPhones because of community shunning for the use of Android Phones as inferior to avoid the social stigma.
There seems to be a Social Stigma against people driving electric cars in the US, So, can they be camouflaged to look like their counterparts except for the label.
Re:Why do Electric Car makers not make EVs that... (Score:5, Informative)
Why do Electric Car makers not make EVs that look Identical or indistinguishable to a Gasoline powered model.
They do. You just never notice them because, well, they look indistinguishable from the gasoline-powered model.
Here are some examples of electric cars you probably wouldn't be able pick out of a crowd:
2017 FIAT 500e
2017 Ford Fusion Energi
2017 Mercedes Benz E-Class
2017 Ford Focus Electric
2017 Kia Soul EV
2017 Volkswagen e-Golf
Here in Norway the case is already settled (Score:5, Informative)
EVs are simply inevitable, the only ting that have held them back (i.e."only" 29% of all new cars in 2016) here is the fact that most people prefers 4x4 station wagons for carrying stuff up to their winter cabins, and so far only Tesla have been able to provide more or less that, and at a price point which is more or less the same as a Volvo or BMW 4x4.
As soon as you can buy a dual-motor (4x4) EV with reasonable range for under $50K, no more ICE cars will be sold here.
My father was the Chairman of the largest EV importer in Norway for a number of years, so my family had various EVs as second cars, and I got intimately familiar with range anxiety from those. Based on that and the need for 4x4 I believed I had to wait for the Tesla Model X to be able to use an EV as our only car, but when they announced dual-motor versions of Model S I immediately decided to order one.
In hindsight my only regret is that at least some of the extra perks EVs get here have to go away over the next few years, the tax people have to get their revenue some way which means that the toll roads will start charging us, parking won't be free any more and we'll probably lose general access to bus & taxi lanes.
Terje
PS. Since Norway is a net exporter of hydro-electric power, all EVs are really 100% pollution free here, in countries with lots of coal-fired power plants in the grid mix the case isn't quite so obvious but still better than the very best ICE cars.
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Oh oh I know what this proves! (Score:2)
DISCLAIMER: You are about to read a satirical joke, don't take it serious and get butt hurt. Also read this in Norm Macdonald's voice.
What we can learn from this using demographics correlation is that: Liberals are worse drivers than Conservatives.
Trapped (Score:2)
Re:Amazing isn't it... (Score:5, Insightful)
One hundred and twenty years ago an automobile was a pretty unique sight, and I'm sure every fellow with a horse and carriage snorted "You got to find the gasoline for it, it's smelly a noisy. Who would want that when you've got a perfectly good horse?"
In 1900, there 8,000 cars in the US. By 1910 there were over 458,000.
Source: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/ohim/... [dot.gov]
And that's why we joke about buggy whip manufacturers.
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Horse-drawn to Gasoline Car was a revolution.
Gas to Electric is a little thing that car dealers and mechanics worry about.
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I am definitely hopeful. I'd love to buy an electric car now. However, I live in a condo, and board and owners are not interested in installing any charging points in our parking. So, no luck in any foreseeable future.
In that sense, gasoline was easier to distribute - you did not need to get a fuel barrel at your residence. Someone had to install one relatively nearby in a commercial location.
Re:Amazing isn't it... (Score:5, Insightful)
I am definitely hopeful. I'd love to buy an electric car now. However, I live in a condo, and board and owners are not interested in installing any charging points in our parking. So, no luck in any foreseeable future.
Give it a few years. Charging stations in the parking area will become an important competitive point for apartment and condo complexes, just as parking spots and swimming pools are now.
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Give it a few years. Charging stations in the parking area will become an important competitive point for apartment and condo complexes, just as parking spots and swimming pools are now.
That is already starting to be the case. In fact, it is already the case at many hotel brands as well. The big name ones all have electric vehicle chargers at their properties with VIP parking for them.
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Having experienced both (my own charger and fast chargers): you definitely want to use your own charger. Fast chargers are really expensive (about as expensive as gas by the km—European gas that is!), and their kWh price is about 10 times what you would get from your power company; the reason is that they pay high tariffs for kW rating (as opposed to kWh).
Fast chargers are for people driving long distances once in a while who need to recharge their vehicle midway. If you use them regularly, you will n
Re:Amazing isn't it... (Score:5, Informative)
I am an EV owner living in Norway, and we had this kind of problems in the news [dinside.no]. The government is thinking of making it a requirement for condos to allow installation of charging stations.
The argument of the recalcitrant condos was that old electric systems could not support charging all cars if all tenants switched to EVs, so they decided to forbid it outright for everybody, in order not to create a precedent. In my condo, for example, we have a standing rule that we cannot install a charger for more than 16 A each. Yet this point is moot, since it practically never happens that all cars are charging at the same time, and if it does is during the night. I charge my Leaf on average once a week (in our garage we also have a Tesla S, a Tesla X, a Kia Soul Electric and a VW E-golf out of 15 flats). The electric grid could just as well get overloaded if all tenants started their ovens, washing machines and heaters at the same time, and the worst that can happen is that the main switch trips.
Also, having 32 A charging is nice to have the time you need it, but no one actually uses daily it if they can help it, because:
What I think is more challenging for the US is that a lot of people rent rather than buy, so they would be unwilling to buy their charging stations. I bought my own for about 1000 dollars (including cabling, B-type residual-current device and installation) and I consider an investment in the house, but people renting will not be willing to shell out that much money (though you can probably get away with 100 $ if you install a simple socket and use the onboard charger).
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Condominiums are pretty common the world over, actually—Wiki is your friend [wikipedia.org].
What is particular in Norway, is that we have two distinct types of condominiums:
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Just install a multi-head charger that limits the maximum charge rate of all vehicles. They are readily available. Simple ones sequence charging so that on X vehicles are charging at once, but all get done overnight, and more advanced ones charge all vehicles but rate limit them.
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One hundred and twenty years ago an automobile was a pretty unique sight, and I'm sure every fellow with a horse and carriage snorted "You got to find the gasoline for it, it's smelly a noisy. Who would want that when you've got a perfectly good horse?"
This fallacious argument is trotted out every time this topic comes up. You know, just because people who claimed "that won't catch on" were wrong about the automobile, does not mean that anyone who claims "that won't catch on" is wrong.
For every 1 time the naysayers were wrong, there's about a thousand times they were right. You are making a stupid argument, using that single time out of thousands to "prove" your point. That single time was an outlier - it doesn't mean anything, other than "tech is hard
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There are nine million horses in the United States. There are 260 million automobiles.
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That's like, a really cold comment, dude.
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An inline wrangler is great, but have you tried inline-block wrangler, or even absolute wrangler? Some people like static wrangler too but I find it a bit annoying.
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My mom used to drive a '72 Dodge Dart with an inline 6 in it.
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Mopar people call that a slant 6. 225 cubic inches of torque. With a hyperpack intake and a good four barrel carb it'll get up and go.
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lol we've found a slashdotter that doesn't understand engines. Inline and wrangler means the best goddamn straight 6 ever made u moron
Think I better file that under 'who gives a shit'.
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True Jeep aficionado wouldn't call it a Wrangler they would have called it a TJ as it is the more accepted name. The TJ was the last model with the inline 6 and there was some IP issues with calling it the Wrangler back in the day due to Ford (I think) had a Wrangler edition of one of their small trucks. Once the JK came out they switched to the V6 and it was called a Wrangler again everywhere. The only other Wrangler was the YJ but that was square eyed and we don't talk about it...
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And that's just your morning commute!
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and I give zero fucks that I get like 16mpg. Who cares!
More MPG means more range, which means longer trails. 16 mpg is pretty piss-poor, before it died the death of cavitation my 1992 F250 7.3 IDI with a turbo kit and big chunky mud tires got 16, on the freeway anyway.
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rocking out ahead of jimmy concerts with blenders running in my line-x bed
No, I give up, what does this mean?
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rocking out ahead of jimmy concerts with blenders running in my line-x bed
No, I give up, what does this mean?
Late middle aged guy pretending he's still young, making margaritas in the back of his car and wearing a Tommy Bahama shirt.
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OK. He's driving down a gravel road on his way to a Jim Beckel concerto presentation.
http://jimbeckelmusic.com/ [jimbeckelmusic.com]
He's wearing Blenders sunglasses, might be jogging.
https://www.blenderseyewear.co... [blenderseyewear.com]
I'm assuming "line-x" is mattress company.
Makes sense to me.
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You remind me of my father, who wouldn't buy a color TV until 1998 because they weren't "perfected" yet.
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I got married in 1980 and we had a 12" black & white until 1983 when I got a 19" color set. I didn't really need a color set, shitty shows look just as shitty in color. Still, the Jones's had one so we got one. Now I have a 50" HD that weighs less than the 19" color. And shitty shows still look just as shitty. But they're in High Def now.
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You remind me of my father, who wouldn't buy a color TV until 1998 because they weren't "perfected" yet.
My father didn't want to buy a VHS VCR because, after the Beta debacle, he was sure that VHS was next, and the final standard would be the 8mm tape. Some smartass at work had convinced him of it.
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I'm in a room with 12 developers, 24 screens (24 inch flat). SInce I have been here (4 years) only 2 have died.
"Only" 2 out of 12 developers dead in 4 years? Are you in some Special Forces cyber unit?
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And if you are using the trinitron monitor on a daily basis you are probably paying more in electricity than it would cost you to buy a new LCD every few years.
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i can relate. i don't want to get a flat panel one until quality and reliability improves on them.
i've seen so many (belonging to friends or relatives, or customers) go to shit (flat panel monitors, too) in a year or two, but i've had the same color tv for forty years and the same 21 inch trinitron monitor for twenty.
I really hope this is true. It gladdens me to think that there are still people out there who are this mental.
Think I'm yet to see a flat panel 'go to shit' randomly without misfortune befalling it.
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10 minutes to fully recharge using a readily available station
It's funny. If people were doing the opposite and moving from EVs to gas powered vehicles, they would be saying that they'll wait to buy until they can gas up their car in their garage while they're sleeping.
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Well, I hate to break it to you, but the EV adoption is going to have to slow down sooner or later because of infrastructure issues. Expect to see a metric assload of 48V mild hybrid systems that replace the starter motor on a tiny little car with a belt-driven motor/generator/starter and use a fairly small battery to provide short battery-only ranges, and regen. This will be cool because it will encourage drivers to change velocity gradually, so as to maximize use of the electric power system, instead of n
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muggle cars
I just fwew up
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