Nintendo Switch Consoles Are Reportedly Warping When Docked (independent.co.uk) 110
When the Nintendo Switch was launched in early March, some users complained about dead or stuck pixels, which Nintendo later dismissed as being "normal." We're now approaching the one-month mark and some users are reporting that the console can warp when it's been docked for an extended period of gaming. The Independent reports: [Reddit] User _NSR has posted a picture of a bent Switch online, alongside a message reading, "The Nintendo Switch is starting to warp while only being in dock mode." _NSR expanded on the issue in further comments, explaining, "It does get very hot, considering how small the system is and it is outputting Breath of the Wild for long periods of time on a big screen, it may be too much for it to handle. I'm wondering if it being docked is the problem though, most of my time has been on the dock, and it has to work harder to output to a larger screen. Luckily it hasn't affected the way that it plays, the lack of disc drive is definitely a good thing here." Fellow Reddit users have offered multiple possible explanations for the warp, with battery issues and thermal expansion being suggested. Another Switch user, Magnaha23, backed up _NSR's claim, commenting, "I actually checked my Switch after seeing this. It's starting to do the exact same thing just not as bad as yours yet. I called Nintendo and got a repair set up in like 10 minutes. "I got a prepaid label for overnight shipping. Once they get it it takes a few days to process and repair. If they can repair the unit, which if the whole thing is warped they probably can't, they will send back. Otherwise, they will transfer my data over to a new unit and send that back. They said 6-8 business days once they get my Switch. We shall see..." Other people on the thread, however, say they haven't noticed any warping despite using it for lengthy gaming sessions while docked.
Re: Misreading titles is fun (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Misreading titles is fun (Score:5, Funny)
The Federation requests that starships undock before attempting warp speed.
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I wonder what warp speed they can achieve
Funny,
Seriously though, is "warping" correct english? Because I don't get it.
Re: Misreading titles is fun (Score:2)
That's nothing new. Consoles and PCs have been warping time and reality for decades.
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That's nothing new. Consoles and PCs have been warping time and reality for decades.
That's nuttin', St. Jobs has warped reality for decades.
The residual field is still being felt years after he expired.
Be careful of your data (Score:5, Informative)
Be careful of your data. Other people have reported having to get their Switch repaired and their savegames getting wiped.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming... [arstechnica.com]
Re: Be careful of your data (Score:5, Insightful)
That's pointless advise, because there's no way to be careful with your data. You can't copy save games to a flash card, and there is no online save functionality either. So the person who is "careful" with their data is equally as susceptible as the person who doesn't give it a single thought.
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Exactly right. Nintendo is so concerned about save file hacking that they made it outright impossible to back up your save data, something that the humble, unpopular PC as well as every major console has been able to do for quite some time now. Judging by the people who have lost their save data sending the Switch in for repairs, Nintendo themselves can't even back the save data up. For a company that I usually associate with quality hardware at least, that's a mind-numbing, stupid design decision.
I think b
Not too surprising (Score:4, Informative)
The console outputs fewer pixels in handheld mode (720p) than in docked mode (1080P), so the system SHOULD generate less heat.
ABS, which is most likely what the shell is made of, has a melting point someplace around 220C, but gets kinda flexible/bendy much lower than that. The heat of the system running balls to the walls for extended periods could well be sufficient for things to get saggier than titties at a 5th wave bra burning convention.
Sounds like there is a market for aftermarket clip on turbofan coolers, like there was for original build XBOX 360s. (the ones that got so hot due to poor ventilation design that they would spontaneously delaminate their surface mount chips.)
Better get that Nintendo seal of approval though. They are about as bitchy about aftermarket devices as Apple is.
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The Tegra X1 specs call for dual 4K @ 60 Hz outputs, but this applies to streams using H.265 and VP9 only. I assume he did not understand the specs.
Re: Not too surprising (Score:2)
Either that or framerates were dropping due to thermal throttling. Maybe all Nintendo did was "fix it" by changing the throttling setpoints.
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Being capable of updating the screen at 4k and 60fps is a world apart from being able to render complex 3D scenes at that speed. The former just requires bandwidth, while the latter requires extensive processing power as well. Displaying a spreadsheet at 4k&60fps is nothing special.
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The switch should have no problem with 1080p, it is using the Tegra X1 chip, which is capable of 4k at 60fps.
This is so painfully wrong that I have to correct it. The Tegra has a hardware decoder that can handle 4K video. It specifically supports the H.265 and VP9 codecs, which are widely used for streaming.
I would be absolutely shocked if the Tegra can render 3D scenes at 4K and 60 Hz, given that high end desktop GPUs pulling 200W have trouble with it. In fact, the Tegra X1 has only 40% of the power of an outdated mid-level GeForce card. The Tegra X1 has 256 CUDA cores [nvidia.com] compared to the 640 cores [geforce.com] in the GeForce 750
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The number of pixels differs only by a factor of 2.25
This may not be true. If the docked mode uses Antialiasing (render larger, then scale down) and the handheld doesn't it could be a factor of 4 or more.
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Isn't screen-space (i.e. not by oversampling) anti-aliasing the vogue these days?
I'm pretty sure that's what the Switch uses, anyway, both handheld and docked.
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I think it's still done by oversampling, but limited to object edges to save computation. Which I'm not sure how that helps with texture aliasing, but this is not my area of expertise.
I do know that the original Wii (at least Super Mario Wii) had no anti-aliasing active at all, which is pretty sad for being a 480p console. The Wii U didn't seem to use it either.
Given that Nintendo doesn't use expensive graphics chips, it wouldn't surprise me if they would save computation by disabling it on the switch in
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People used to wrap their XBOX 360s in towels to make them fail and get them replaced under warranty until Microsoft sent them a properly fixed unit. Nintendo needs to be careful - if they just swap units out for identical ones which will fail in the same way the return rate could shoot up.
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People used to wrap their XBOX 360s in towels to make them fail and get them replaced under warranty until Microsoft sent them a properly fixed unit. Nintendo needs to be careful - if they just swap units out for identical ones which will fail in the same way the return rate could shoot up.
That was also a temp cure after it had failed, wrap it up and let it run for a while and it got so hot the solder kinda reset itself then you could run it for a little bit before it gave you the red ring of doom again.
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Turbofans? Fans driven by turbines? And whatever the gas generator for the turbine is won't melt the console in ten seconds flat?
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There is such a thing as an electric turbo fan.
Here, let me Google it for you.
https://www.google.com/#q=Elec... [google.com]
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If it isn't driven by a turbine, it isn't a turbofan. Words have meanings, yo. The "turbo-" prefix means "turbine-driven" as in turbojet (turbine-driven jet), turbofan (turbine-driven fan), turboshaft (gas turbine driving shaft output rather than generating trust like in a helicopter or ship), turboprop (turbine-driven propellor), turbogenerator (turbine-driven generator, like in a coal or nuclear powerplant), turbocharger (supercharger driven by a turbine in the exhaust), and so on. "Turbo-" has a speci
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ABS, which is most likely what the shell is made of, has a melting point someplace around 220C, but gets kinda flexible/bendy much lower than that.
Yes, and if your case design doesn't take into account what the material will do when hot, that's amateur hour. It's inexplicable, because Nintendo has in the past had some of the best case design in gaming.
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True, but then Nintendo has never really dealt with high-performance components before, much less in a small form factor. I mean the N64 is probably about as close as they ever previously got to being "cutting edge. Performance-wise the Wii and Wii U were simply small incremental upgrades to the gamecube, in fact judged in comparison to the high-end consumer CPU and GPUs available at the time of their respective releases, you could even argue that they actually backslid.
Bras and Sagging (Score:1)
... could well be sufficient for things to get saggier than titties at a 5th wave bra burning convention.
There is empirical evidence [bustle.com] that bras actually increase sagginess.
Re: Not too surprising (Score:2)
Myself and a number of friends got a Switch on launch day. None of them are bent, scratched, or melted into a pile of good. None of them have wifi or joycon connection issues. And certainly that seems to be the case for most people.
While it sucks to be the guy to get a d
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There is one known instance of this ocurring. One!
In which case it miight just as easily be down to leaving the Switch where the Sun can shine on it.
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Really? (Score:5, Insightful)
I have no horse in this race; beyond setting up a RetroPie build that includes a few NES/SNES games, Nintendo hasn't been on my radar in over twenty years.
That said... A Reddit post from yesterday consisting of a "Hey, Reddit... look at this shit!" with a "Yeah, me too!" in the comments now constitutes a discussion on Slashdot? Is this really where we're going?
Fuck the signal, let's just pump noise! Good job, BeauHD.
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The word you are looking for in that sentence would probably be "warrants".
You're welcome.
No because that would change the context entirely. He's not saying that the post is warranting a discussion on Slashdot. He's suggesting that, on Slashdot, the bar set for a definition of "a discussion" is set so low as to include a post which consists only of a few "I agree posts".
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So you're saying... (Score:5, Funny)
Had to sell it (Score:3)
I'm sure there are some problems but in general, the Switch is freaking awesome. I bought it with Zelda, and it's the first time in FIFTEEN years that I'm at work and then think to myself: "oh boy, in an hour or two I can go home and play Zelda!" It's that amazing.
I did have to sell it though. My RSI started acting up and I really really can't risk any problems since I'm self-employed. Damn shame.
Re:Had to sell it (Score:4, Interesting)
The Switch is an ergonomic nightmare. I've got mild RSI and I have to be very, very careful about using it undocked, or via the joycons attached to the grip. Fortunately, the Pro Controller, while expensive, is fine in terms of its ergonomics (though the lack of analogue shoulder triggers reduces its quality as a controller).
But the Switch itself is about as bad as you can get. In undocked mode, the control inputs are right on the very outer edge of the unit. If you have normal-sized hands, the only way to hold it is via "pinching" the edges. Your hand is entirely unsupported and will slip into a cramped posture by default. The same problem is also present with the joycons when using them undocked.
Modern video game controllers have "wings" for a reason, even though they are generally just hollow plastic. They fill the palm of your hand during play and prevent you from cramping up your hand. This is both more comfortable in immediate terms, and less likely to lead to problems with your hands over prolonged use. Nintendo have completely ignored two decades of ergonomic progress with the Switch. A lot of people will be happily using their units right now and not (yet) feeling any ill effects, but storing up all kinds of problems with their hands for later in life.
If you want to play Zelda, then go ahead. It's not really my cup of tea, but some people seem to like it a lot. But for the love of god, get a Pro Controller if you're going to do so. No game is worth inflicting long-term pain on yourself.
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If I want to play Zelda on a TV, I found it was just as good* on the Wii-U with the pro-controller.
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I'm sure there are some problems but in general, the Switch is freaking awesome. I bought it with Zelda, and it's the first time in FIFTEEN years that I'm at work and then think to myself: "oh boy, in an hour or two I can go home and play Zelda!" It's that amazing.
I did have to sell it though. My RSI started acting up and I really really can't risk any problems since I'm self-employed. Damn shame.
THIS! Last time I felt like this I was a teenager, playing Super Mario 64.
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I'm sure there are some problems but in general, the Switch is freaking awesome. I bought it with Zelda, and it's the first time in FIFTEEN years that I'm at work and then think to myself: "oh boy, in an hour or two I can go home and play Zelda!" It's that amazing.
I did have to sell it though. My RSI started acting up and I really really can't risk any problems since I'm self-employed. Damn shame.
THIS! Last time I felt like this I was a teenager, playing Super Mario 64.
I'm not sure but I think the N64 pad was designed with an Octopus in mind.
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It is not the console, it's the game, and it is also available on the WiiU.
It is slightly less beautiful and slightly less fluid but it doesn't affect the gameplay.
As for RSI, I don't know how the Switch controllers compare to the WiiU controllers. Being the older system, you have more choice on the WiiU so it may be the better option.
Nintendo, please read (Score:4, Informative)
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I'm sure Nintendo reps scan the internet all day for comments just like yours to motivate them to make you happy.
Excuse me? I thought Nintendo was trying to sell a product to try to compel me and other consumers to spend $300 for a console and then $60 a pop for each game. Did I miss something? It's my choice about what to spend my hard-earned money on. I have no obligation to buy anything and I do in fact vote with my wallet. If you can't grasp the concept then I feel very sorry for you.
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Cause Nintendo just jumps on /. to listen to whining all day. You figured it out. Congrats.
Incorrect. You assume I care whether Nintendo reads this or not. I don't. I also don't give a shit what you think either. I have as much right to post here as you do. Quit being a thread shitter.
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Did I miss something?
You missed the sarcasm. Completely.
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I won't buy one of your new consoles until you fix the launch issues.
I fear they will manage without your sale keep them afloat.
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These are design flaws
Shit if one random reddit post constitutes are design flaw then frankly we should go back to living off the land Amish style. Even then I'm sure some reddit idiot will comment on his butter churner not churning to his liking.
Adios, nintendo (Score:4, Insightful)
Nintendo built their reputation on quality. Now they're just throwing that away? You could beat all the old consoles and their controllers up all day and have them still work. What's this fragile garbage?
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I'm no EE, but given that many NES's, SNES's and N64's are still working today, I'd say Nintendo did a pretty good job in designing a spec that was affordable and durable. Sure, there may be cheap components and some manufacturing issues that caused some to die prematurely, but that's always the case with any mass production.
What we are seeing here is a handful of units out of the thousands that have been sold. Like most things on the internet, a very vocal minority is speaking up.
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The core problem is people. Nintendo is suffering like a lot of corporations with quality control issues that are primarily caused by one post on reddit being considered as a representative sample of millions of users.
What's this fragile garbage?
To answer that you first need to submit to an MRI. Only then can we tell why the average person's brain is so fragile.
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This has been going on for a while. During the N64/Gamecube era, Nintendo had an impeccable reputation for build quality. You could literally throw a Gamecube out of a building window and it would survive. Then the Wii came out, and the system was suffering from flimsy construction, major overheating problems, and disc read errors (despite being built on conservative tech). At some point, they bowed to investor pressure and decided to stop making decent hardware, resulting in many QA issues despite not
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Yes, I would agree that the Wii was the point at which it all went downhill. I just don't know what they are thinking. Gamers are still mad about RRoD and Nintendo is pulling this low-quality crap? Some of the Wii peripherals were still built like tanks, too bad that didn't include the Wiimote itself.
Headline sounds a lot better (Score:3)
Nintendo Switch Consoles Are Reportedly Warping When Docked
The headline sounds a lot better if you replace "Nintendo Switch Consoles" with "Federation Starships
Federation Starships Are Reportedly Warping When Docked
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I hate to break it to you, but you're still in the holodeck.
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Since people are no longer concerned with money, there is no need to hire bottom-dollar programmers. Programming is a matter of pride and self-advancement, so stupid mistakes don't happen as frequently as they do today.
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It gets warped and then what? (Score:2)
Does the unit fail or keep working? If it keeps working as designed, then so what? Not being argumentative, just curious about the hubbub. Phone manufactures are working on curved phones, so why not a curved Switch?
Andecodtal at best (Score:2)
One instance does not constitute data.
That said, I do think Nintendo screwed up by making a lightweight tablet console. Nintendo consoles and peripherals have always been built sturdy. I grew up with an NES and SNES; the console and controllers were drop-tested thoroughly and never missed a beat. There are legends of people dropping TVs (full sized old CRT monstrosities) on their N64, and the console shrugged it off. My gamecube got kicked and tossed around, and never suffered for it. The Wii-motes c
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This is why i wait (Score:1)