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Can Technology Prevent Cops From Forgetting To Turn On Their Body Cameras? (fastcompany.com) 167

tedlistens writes from a report via Fast Company: Axon, Taser's growing police camera division, has announced a new wireless sensor for gun and Taser holsters that can detect when a weapon is drawn and automatically activate all nearby cameras. The sensor, Signal Sidearm, is part of a suite of products aimed at reducing the possibility that officers will fail to switch on their cameras during encounters with the public. It happens more than it should: Last year in Chicago, for instance, an officer apparently forgot to turn on his camera before fatally shooting and killing an unarmed 18-year-old named Paul O'Neal. Taser isn't alone in trying to address this and other technical and procedural issues with cameras, but reformers emphasize that just as body cameras won't solve problems with policing, new sensors won't prevent officers from failing to record. Fast Company adds: "Automatically-activated cameras won't be completely effective at providing oversight of police encounters: As happened when Baton Rouge police shot Alton Sterling last year, cameras can fall off during physical encounters, a problem that Taser has worked to address. They can also malfunction, or videos can be deleted. And civil liberties advocates complain that cameras are only as effective as the rules that guide their use: [...] the ACLU has complained that current city policy allowing officers to switch cameras off for privacy reasons gives police too much discretion over when to record. Other issues with cameras being resolved at the local level include the heavy costs of cloud video storage, and the question of whether officers are allowed to view their footage immediately after violent encounters -- a privilege not extended to the public."
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Can Technology Prevent Cops From Forgetting To Turn On Their Body Cameras?

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  • See $subject. And why is this even a question?

    • Re:Probably (Score:4, Insightful)

      by arglebargle_xiv ( 2212710 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @06:48AM (#53960813)
      This is a non-solution to a "problem" that those involved don't want solved. If you can't accidentally forget to turn off your camera just before you accidentally kill someone by accidentally shooting them by accident in an accidental way that accidentally doesn't get recorded, police will either find some other way to bypass it (it malfunctioned, ignore the hammer marks on the case) or refuse to use it.
      • Re:Probably (Score:4, Interesting)

        by dougdonovan ( 646766 ) <dougdonovan@msn.com> on Thursday March 02, 2017 @07:36AM (#53960929) Journal
        hr and dispatch will have the schedules and should automatically turn the camera on for you at the beginning of your shift when you start so you can get paid to carry a gun and a badge. at the end of your shift, hr and dispatch will turn the camera off no matter what time of day it is.
        • I think there's probably some subtleties in there, more granular than full-day coverage.

          Perhaps the camera are remote activated at the start of each dispatch call, if they are not already on and cannot be turned off until dispatch closes the call. That way between calls, the camera does not have to b on when some poor schmoe in blue is taking a leak or eating his lunch. We all deserve some "off time".

        • by mwvdlee ( 775178 )

          "Hold it right there, scum! I said hold it... just a few more minutes... any second now..." *click* Pow!

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Indeed. As long as Cops do not get a "go to jail directly" card when their cameras are off in such a situation, this is not going to change.

        • Indeed. As long as Cops do not get a "go to jail directly" card when their cameras are off in such a situation, this is not going to change.

          Even that isn't necessary, although I am on board. All that has to be done is to assume the cop is lying about every statement they make while the camera is off. We should have a legal requirement for this: the cop's word is never enough, there must always be evidence. (It doesn't have to be video evidence, but there has to be more than their word, which is provably not good.) Problem solved.

  • Just shock them if they move while the camera isn't on.

  • by future assassin ( 639396 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:06AM (#53960271)

    If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

    • by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @05:44AM (#53960617)

      We're not talking about average citizens. We hand these people a LOT of power. Essentially they have the power monopoly in the country (in most countries at least). They are granted powers above and beyond what the average person may do. But those powers are not granted to them as individuals but as their function, and they are not granted to be used at their whims.

      These powers are handed to them so they can use them to protect our common interests.

      The same applies to politicians, by the way. Oddly enough you never see anyone wonder why they aren't under surveillance, considering their ability to harm our interest is by some margin greater.

      • We're not talking about average citizens. We hand these people a LOT of power.

        Yes and no.

        Police officers actually have remarkably little legal authority that citizens don't have. The details vary a little, but for example in my state, if you examine the statutes the only things they can do that you can't are (1) to use deadly force against a fleeing felony suspect, with reasonable belief that the force is necessary to prevent harm, (2) they don't need to get a concealed weapons permit to carry a concealed weapon, (3) they can ignore traffic laws when they use lights/siren, (4) they

    • Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent. That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on, but it does mean that there should be some rules and regulations to protect the privacy of everyone being filmed, including the cops themselves. Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job. Only to be used for training purposes with the consent of everyone in t
      • > That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on

        It does present a privacy issue for police who are off duty and have not yet taken off their uniforms. When an officer is working double or triple shifts in an emergency, I'd concede them some private time in between those shifts without having to switch uniform, or even personal time on their way home in their own vehicle. As long as they've taken off their badge and are clearly off duty, I can understand it.

        There are difficulties when they go "on" du

        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          Why is it that you would give them no-camera-time, but not give them not-reviewed-time? Seems the best balance is to have the camera on all the time, and a "private time" button that can be pressed, to "request" that it not be reviewed.

          They can have all the private time they want, but if they are in the public toilet in uniform and something happens, it's better that 1000 poops be recorded and ignored than one fatal shooting be lost.
          • Because records can be, and are, stolen. Some are even "stolen" legally, with Patriot Act warrants, and could put the officer's life and those of people near him at risk.

            • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
              So video of the officer pooping would endanger his life. And if the police can't keep their videos from being stolen, we need new police. And it'd be trivial to make them FOIA exempt.
      • Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent.

        A much, much lesser extent.

        Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job.

        Bullshit. There is no reason why that footage should not be used for performance reviews. In fact, if it is made mandatory then that should have a significant positive impact on police behavior.

        But they should also be certain that the videos will only be used as evidence in case of complaints or interventions where some violence occurred, and that they won't be done for publicly picking their nose or not being polite enough to a member of the public.

        No. Those videos also need to be used as evidence to determine whether cops are telling the truth, every time they make a statement, because they are so prone to lying in court.

      • Cops have a right to privacy too, to some extent. That doesn't mean the camera shouldn't be always on, but it does mean that there should be some rules and regulations to protect the privacy of everyone being filmed, including the cops themselves. Rules that determine when the footage may be used and for what purposes. For example: not to be used for job performance reviews, nor to check how many donuts each cop consumes on the job. Only to be used for training purposes with the consent of everyone in the video (or properly anonymized). Proper process for using the videos in after-action reviews. Access to the videos to be regulated and audited. Etc. The cops should be certain that if they harass someone or use undue violence, it will be on film and can be used against them. But they should also be certain that the videos will only be used as evidence in case of complaints or interventions where some violence occurred, and that they won't be done for publicly picking their nose or not being polite enough to a member of the public.

        Simple solution to the problem of them forgetting to turn the camera on: Make it so they can forget to turn it off.

    • There is a difference between a police person and the private individual rights. Once the police person is off duty they are allowed their personal freedoms and privacy. However when they are on duty they are acting as part of the government and the community. While on duty they are granted extra rights and privileges, as they can cross the line to catch the bad guys. Also if hurt in the line of duty the punishment for the person who hurt them is often more severe as it is considered more than an attack

    • "Ah, it's such a pain.. the bodycams turn on when we deploy a pistol or a gun, so we have to kick them to death now."
    • by tsqr ( 808554 )

      If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

      Really? Keep that in mind the next time a law enforcement officer asks you to unlock your phone.

      • If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

        Really? Keep that in mind the next time a law enforcement officer asks you to unlock your phone.

        THAT'S THE JOKE. Since the police are always using that line on citizens who just want their 4th amendment rights respected, I think it's only fair to turn it around on them.

        • by tsqr ( 808554 )

          Here's the thing. Police are allowed by law to lie to, play tricks upon, and intimidate persons of interest in the course of an investigation. Persons of interest who use those tactics on the police, on the other hand, are in violation of the law. It's not symmetrical, so saying, "It's only fair to turn it around" is not true, and if it's a joke it's a poor one.

    • If they got nothing to hide they have nothing to worry about.

      Its a cop in the USA. If they do something illegal I'd assume nothing happens.

  • No (Score:5, Insightful)

    by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:13AM (#53960291)
    Was talking about this with my brother and he brought up the best Upton Sinclare qoute of all time:

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

    You'll always have footage go missing and cams get shut off because it's part of the system. The public is complacent in the whole thing. So a higher up comes along and tells the techies to make the footage disappear and it does. Period. And we all look the other way when a black guy in a poor neighborhood gets shot and 3-5 officers have a camera malfunction instead of demanding they all get fired for not maintaining their equipment. Hell, even when they do get fired they just move to another precinct...

    I'm reminded of long haul truckers. I couldn't figure out how they cheated their books with GPSes and electronic logs. The answer: They only spot check individual logs of individual drivers and they warn the driver being checked before hand. My buddy hated it because he never cheated a log so his driver manager made sure he was always the one to get checked. He eventually gave up the line of work because he couldn't find a way to do it without cheating and he's the paranoid type.

    This is the same damn thing. We don't need more tech. We need to use the tech we already have.
    • It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

      This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

      • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )

        It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

        This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

        Guilty until proven innocent?

        • It's not hard if camera video unavailable for any reason it should be no different than civil court if you refuse to produce records you assume they show things in the worst light possible.

          This means by law a fatal shooting without camera footage means the cops is automatically tried and convicted for murder unless other footage is available so show his innocence. Oddly they will start insuring their camera's work.

          Guilty until proven innocent?

          That could actually work.

          For everyone else its innocent until proven guilty.

          For people like politicians, cops, lawyers its the other way around. I mean thats what ordinary people assume anyway, right?

        • No you just like civil court it's assumed to be what the other side says it is if you do not produce it.So if the sum total if 2 people down an ally then yes you would be fighting an uphill battle. If it's lost in some IT snafu again yes. You're not assuming guilt your assuming evidence if it's not produced. Cops intentionally do stupid things with data I say that working with many branches over my career. They fail to follow normal corp protocols for this sort of thing, make copy's asap lock them away

          • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
            " automatically tried and convicted for murder unless..."
            sounds like Guilty until Proven Innocent to me.

            Also, in Civil Court it is still Innocent until Proven Guilty, just that the bar to prove guilty is lower.
  • No context (Score:3, Insightful)

    by ratpick ( 649064 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @03:28AM (#53960331)
    Depending on scenario, turning on camera(s) when gun is drawn could provide little to no context of actions leading up to shooting rendering video next to worthless in determining whether excessive force was used. Adoption of this tech by police departments would very likely encourage leaving cameras off and many recordings wouldn't provide anything of value.
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Most police cameras are actually constantly recording, and preserve the X minutes of video recorded prior to being turned on.
    • Queue the wild wild west music.

    • Depending on scenario, turning on camera(s) when gun is drawn could provide little to no context of actions leading up to shooting rendering video next to worthless in determining whether excessive force was used. Adoption of this tech by police departments would very likely encourage leaving cameras off and many recordings wouldn't provide anything of value.

      What an incredibly fascist suggestion. Instead of leaving them on all the time to make sure they will get context, they will leave them off all the time to make sure they get no context? No, instead what is needed is a gun cam used in addition to a body cam, which cannot be turned off. The privacy issues are best handled cryptographically. It might well be that we need the footage from a cop's time in the bathroom.

  • by physicsphairy ( 720718 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @04:05AM (#53960423)

    A 256 GB micro SD card weights 0.4g, is less than 2cm in width, and costs around $40. I have 1080p movies on my computer that are about 1 hr/GB. So I'm quite sure that one of these body cam devices could record a couple weeks of continuous footage and probably much, much more. That's plenty of time for legal action to initiate and the data to be uploaded if there is any debate over what has happened during an arrest. Privacy is not an issue if the data is stored encrypted. You just require that a judge has to sign off on it before the decryption key can be accessed by anyone (including the cop).

    • by jabuzz ( 182671 )

      I am not sure where you get a microSD card that is really 256GB in size (rather than a fake) for $40. More like $150, but that is just a minor detail.

    • Another solution is to have two modes, on/buffering and on/saving. If the camera is on/buffering (what off would be) and a gunshot is detected the entire buffer is saved. Detected a gunshot should be very easy to do....
  • Yes (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fph il quozientatore ( 971015 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @04:31AM (#53960477)
    Step 1: remove the off switch. Step 2: there is no step 2.
    • by cdrudge ( 68377 )

      And when the officer enters a locker room or rest room? Not in the course of their job but in the course of their life? Do they or anyone else in the room not have an expectation of privacy? Or since recordings could/should be subject to FOIA requests, what if a person (victim, perpetrator, bystander, informer, etc) being recorded also has an expectation of privacy or confidentiality? Or if the officer is officially off duty and is just a private citizen prior to starting his day, or has just ended it?

      Not s

      • Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

        • Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

          Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

          • Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

            The power to detain. A citizen can only detain you by making an arrest, and that not even in all states. A cop can detain you without making an arrest. States which do not have firearms carry laws also permit the police to enjoy constitutional rights which are denied to everyone else. California is notable for this not least because it is the most populous state.

          • Anyone not complying with any order the Officer chooses to give, lawful or not, can be charged with obstructing. Recording the incident can be charged under wiretapping laws. In any altercation with the officer, the other party is charged with resisting arrest and often assaulting an officer. The officer can demand any recordings of events under the threat of arrest and then destroy them (and the device they're on) if they're unfavorable.

            That little list of only the really common ones is enough, don't y
            • A couple years ago I saw a roadside fire, probably caused by a cigarette butt. I called 911, and then stopped and proceeded to use my truck's fire extinguisher to start dealing with it (California during the drought, plenty of dry grass so you want to catch those as soon as possible). Cop shows up. Starts questioning me very aggressively about whether I started the fire. I tell the guy that I don't smoke, and also tell him to go get HIS fire extinguisher and help me. He keeps hovering around me and asking m
          • Consider that most states never stop a cop from being a cop there is no off duty. When they no longer have any more powers than any other citizen can they remove the camera.

            Just what powers do you think a beat Cop has that you don't?

            The power to shoot you dead without being effectively investigated. Especially if you are non-white. Though in states with a 'stand your ground' law this point is moot.

          • Qualified Immunity [washingtonpost.com].

          • How many examples do you need both legal and practical?

            I would say we would all be better off if they had less powers than the average citizen. They are after all trained and equipped to deal with violent and deadly situations so should be held to a higher standard regarding the use of force that your average person not a lower standard they have now.

  • Disciplinary action can - along with a rule that if it's not on camera, and there's no corroborating evidence, the cop is assumed to be "confused and/or mistaken".

  • They do not forget to turn it on, they do "forget" to turn it on. In my experience nobody likes to get watched over and will try anything to escape such surveillance, even if the surveillance is warranted.
  • Movement-activated cameras that upload their video feed directly to mobile networks. If we are talking low-quality video or even stills if the connection is bad, and better quality when the situation improves or the officer gets to the car again, the battery doesn't need to be huge.

  • It can. Provided it simply turns the camera on instead of just reminding the cop.

  • by geekmux ( 1040042 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @06:41AM (#53960793)

    "cameras can fall off during physical encounters"

    Really? I wonder how often badges fall off during encounters. They're wearing a uniform. Make it a uniform standard to secure it in a field-proven way. Problem solved.

    "They can also malfunction"

    Make it the responsibility of the officer to check their equipment prior to going on duty, as they should do for ALL of their equipment. Any malfunction that impacts a legal case or fails to record a violent act will be thoroughly investigated by Internal Affairs and subject to 3rd party review. Cameras are evidence gathering devices, so any officer that purposely causes a "malfunction" will face charges of destruction of evidence.

    "or videos can be deleted."

    Cameras are the responsibility of the officer. Any reports of deleted data will be subject to investigation. If it is determined that the loss of data was not caused by malfunction, then the officer will face mandatory suspension without pay for 2 weeks. If the data loss interferes with a legal case, then the officer will also be charged with destruction of evidence.

    If you're going to create a standard, then enforce the fucking thing. Otherwise, quit pissing taxpayer money away.

    • You can't compare a piece of tin with a sensitive electronic device.

      Even a fully ruggedized military-grade camera is still susceptible to various forms of damage or malfunction.
      FFS, a drop of paint (or blood, or ketchup, or mud...) can make it completely useless as a video recording device.
      Hell, turn it ever so slightly in a wrong direction and the recording is a useless shot of the sky or of the ground. Expose its sensor to a strong light and it's equally useless.
      Even mounted on the head, so it records fro

  • You don't do it, you're fired. Problem solved.
  • In New Zealand, police Taser guns are fitted with a camera that starts recording video as soon as the Taser is switched on. Footage of some incidents has led to police being criticised for their excessive and illegal use of Tasers.

    Weapon of choice: Are Tasers being abused? http://www.stuff.co.nz/good-re... [stuff.co.nz]

    Police Taser use against man ruled excessive http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n... [nzherald.co.nz]

    • In New Zealand, police Taser guns are fitted with a camera that starts recording video as soon as the Taser is switched on. Footage of some incidents has led to police being criticised for their excessive and illegal use of Tasers.

      Weapon of choice: Are Tasers being abused? http://www.stuff.co.nz/good-re... [stuff.co.nz]

      Police Taser use against man ruled excessive http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/n... [nzherald.co.nz]

      Do you get ACC coverage if the cops tase you?

  • by sjbe ( 173966 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @07:57AM (#53960989)

    Can Technology Prevent Cops From "Forgetting" To Turn On Their Body Cameras?

    The title is missing some air quotes around "forgetting" because it's very unlikely that they forgot to do it. Only way they will stop "forgetting" is if there are real consequences with real teeth. Like all charges get thrown out, evidence inadmissible, suspension from job without pay, etc. Otherwise you are going to continue to see a rash of camera failures with curiously convenient timing to the benefit of the officer.

  • If a cop "forgets" to turn his camera on and shoots some one then the victim (if surviving) gets to shoot the cop, if they are dead a family member gets to do it. Or just sack them if they don't turn it on but that's never going to happen in the blue boys club.
    • Don't be foolishly reactionary.

      Just imagine you roll up on a scene where there is an armed and dangerous person. How likely are you to be thinking about turning on your camera and ensuring it's working before you're dealing with the problem?

      Or, from another perspective... someone's pointing a gun at you, and you see a cop arrive but he spends 30 seconds or more in his cruiser pushing buttons before he comes to help you.

      Something like a 'GoPro for guns' is probably the best possible solution. A little bull

      • Don't be foolishly reactionary.

        Just imagine you roll up on a scene where there is an armed and dangerous person. How likely are you to be thinking about turning on your camera and ensuring it's working before you're dealing with the problem?

        This is the problem. It shouldn't be 'oh better record this' or 'shit shoulda recorded that' they should have enough memory to be switched on when their shift starts and switched off when it ends. The sd card or whatever gets handed in and filed for a week or so, if anything of note happened or any complaints are made the footage can be looked at whatever steps taken. Basically the way a lot of cctv systems work. Yeah they'll probably still delete or tamper with them after the fact unless they make them ge

        • >they should have enough memory to be switched on when their shift starts and switched off when it ends.

          The technology isn't there yet. Cops often work shifts that exceed 12h. Storage? Sure. Transferring it to central storage, cataloguing it all? Exists but is relatively expensive to do right. Lightweight battery to keep a decent camera recording for more than half a day? Not yet.

          And they have the right to go to the bathroom or just take a lunch break without being on camera.

          • It doesn't need recording in full 4K or anything. There is definitely the storage capacity available and the power, maybe not in an off the shelf solution but it's doable, or possibly use some kind of wireless tether to the car that triggers recording to start when they go out of range, why does it need to be a light weight battery? Why can't it get wired to a more substantial battery carried on their belt or something? Anyway I'm not going to start proposing device designs or specs or anything but if thats
          • A more ideal solution would be to bluetooth the camera to the radio or the units laptop, and only use the camera 's storage for buffering, having the radio transmit the video to a centralized storage as data traffic permits. Turn the camera off it automatically turns back on after 3 minutes and chirps every 15 seconds while off.

  • I realize that this is going to end up getting comments that digress, so sorry in advance.

    I'm an American white person and I don't consider myself a SJW but I'm sympathetic to the concerns of African Americans regarding their dealings with the police. I can understand, as best as is possible given my background, that they are really tired of seeing police shoot and kill unarmed African Americans. The police do this to white people too. They just don't do it in big enough numbers to attract the wrath
    • I read what the cop said in the infamous Ferguson, MO trial and his account of events was not credible. I'd put it at maybe 1 in 1000 that what he said really happened. I'm positive he's lying. But the jury completely bought it.

      After the trial, the Officer's video was released and it showed Brown entering the Police car through the window and wrestling with the Officer.
      It doesn't matter what color your skin is, a police encounter isn't a contest you will be allowed to win; this isn't the movies, it's real life.

      • I find that if you win a police encounter, it's really awkward for everyone afterwards. Although a cop screaming about "resisting arrest" while being handcuffed to a lamp post is amusing. I mean, in that case who arrested who?
  • Have each camera continuously record the latest X hours of activity, like a flight recorder. After an incident occurs, management would retrieve and replace every camera that could have caught the action. This policy would ensure that major events get recorded while automatically editing out all the hours of nothing happening.

  • It must be decades ago that people were using a voice stress analyzer to detect lies, etc. They weren't perfect, might never be, but should be fairly reliable now. When a policeperson says "Hands up!", such a miniaturized detector would trigger the camera without requiring deliberate action. OTOH when the policeperson gives a happy sigh of comfort and joy while savoring a jelly doughnut or receiving a much needed massage from her partner, the camera would shut off, saving the department some embarrassment.

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Thursday March 02, 2017 @10:46AM (#53961667)

    It's called "not installing an off switch".

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  • Simply make qualified immunity available only with the presence of body cam footage. "forget" or have a records dept. "accident" or wipe the server with a cloth and it's gone.
  • Cops should not have access to disable their cameras during working hours. Either a central server needs to have their work schedules loaded to automatically turn the cameras on, or they should have to "punch in" to turn them on when they start their shifts. This is just a sacrifice of privacy we must *make* them accept, if they want to do this extremely privileged job. We can't keep pretending like it's a normal job and entitled to the same protections as people in other fields.

    The ACLU is right, as usu

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