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Samsung To Reveal This Month What Caused the Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone To Catch Fire - Report (reuters.com) 131

One of the biggest mysteries of 2016 will come to an end sometime this month. Samsung will make public the results of its months-long investigation into what caused several Galaxy Note 7 smartphones to turn into flames later this month, according to a report on Reuters. From the report: The South Korean firm said in October it was examining all aspects of the phone, suggesting there may be a combination of factors that contributed to one of the costliest product safety failures in tech history. Samsung has also previously noted that it was working with several third-party sources and experts to figure out what could have caused the error. A popular theory among many is that Samsung attempted to further slim the form factor of the Galaxy Note 7, which resulted in the battery to be held too tightly within the device -- which in turn, caused the layers of lithium cobalt oxide and graphite to touch.
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Samsung To Reveal This Month What Caused the Galaxy Note 7 Smartphone To Catch Fire - Report

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  • This month? You mean they're still catching fire? I thought they deactivated the last of them in 2016.

    Did someone set us up the bomb?

    • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <drink@hyperlogos.org> on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:09AM (#53592197) Homepage Journal

      Did someone set us up the bomb?

      That's a common misconception, but what happen is someone set up us the bomb.

      • Thanks. The Russians must have hacked my reply. Same as they hacked the power station that it turns out they didn't really hack. :-) Finding some malware on a laptop that wasn't even connected to the grid is hardly grounds for screaming "the power grid has been hacked." Otherwise, every single utility, every single business, etc., has been hacked by the Russians because there's malware on laptops everywhere. Russian. Chinese. North Korean. American.
      • by haruchai ( 17472 )

        You have no chance to survive make your time

    • Oddly, there's people even around this site that refuse to exchange them for a phone that won't burst into flames, to the point of circumventing the measures being put in place by Samsung and their partner carriers.

      • It's not that odd. If they can pop out the old battery and put in a new, safer one, why shouldn't they? Gives them something a lot more unique than a "courageous" iPhone. And once you mod it to take replacement batteries, you don't have to replace it because the battery won't hold a charge. And since it won't get updates, you won't experience update slowdown obsolescence. How many updates are "must have" anyway?
    • They did not watch youtube? It is there, you crush with a hydraulic press some batteries and they smear a black powder, seemingly non corrosive, but you do the same to the rechargeable ones (with Li I think), and it explodes in flames! So these cell phones must have ben crushed and the battery tech is the one that flames on crushing pressure, like small atomic bombs but fire level only. Now they are talking of flexible OLED cell phones to have bendable cell phones, but that company knows nothing about crush
  • by elrous0 ( 869638 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:11AM (#53592203)

    An unexpected surplus of oxidation.

    • Bad O-rings let propellant out.

      • See, size does matter.
      • by Anonymous Coward

        On the chance that your post (I do get the humor), was meant to reference the Challenger, it wasn't the O-rings being "bad", it was a criminally negligent managerial decision making system that approved & allowed a launch in conditions they KNEW should have been unacceptable. It was human error. Blaming the O-rings is like blaming the steel for the 9-11 towers collapsing. They did what they were designed to do, but they were exposed to conditions (low temperatures) in which they had a high probability o

  • O-rings (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:23AM (#53592249)

    I'm not convinced they actually know what caused it, nor that they're capable of understanding it. After all, they already claimed to have solved it once, but their understanding proved faulty. What's certain is that the public and the authorities need a good plausible explanation (whether true or not) so they can feel safe and begin to trust Samsung again.

  • They Don't Know? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by BoRegardless ( 721219 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:31AM (#53592289)

    If Samsung didn't know from their internal engineers within 2 weeks of the problem, they have a shitty engineering/QC organization.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      It was a quite rare problem, obviously frequent enough to warrant the recall, but uncommon enough to not be caught in QC. To be sure of the cause of the problem (rather than guessing like they did for the first recall) they may well have needed to make a number of slightly modified phones to determine which factors were the cause as given the infrequent failure rate trying to monitor one failing is likely to be impractical.

      It certainly would be wise to reserve judgement on whether their engineering or QC sh

      • I'll be respectful here. Given the decade plus experience with Lithium-Ion and the numbers of manufacturers of cells and components and the engineering literature,

        I find it difficult to believe that other companies had not identified a fault that only Samsung found after about a dozen years of high volume use of these batteries.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Funny story. A company I used to work for back ~10 years ago, had multiple failures across machines(heavy industry) where the PLC would wipe. Wasn't caught in engineering, wasn't caught in QC. The problem went on for months, the only solution in the short term was to send out new eeprom modules when it happened(expedited overnight). The problem ended up being a design/part issue, where in certain power-down cycles, the primary relay would backfeed. Ended up having to dump the company that made the rela

    • Samsung's battery division is new, and the Note 7 battery was their first major production battery. So no, you wouldn't really expect their engineers to know within 2 weeks what the problem was. Li-ion batteries are extremely temperamental, and it may be a problem other battery manufacturers learned about and designed around 10 years ago but which blindsided Samsung's engineers.

      The fires in the "fixed" Note 7s (which used a battery from an established Chinese manufacturer) were a bit of a surprise. Bu
      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        The fires in the "fixed" Note 7s (which used a battery from an established Chinese manufacturer) were a bit of a surprise. But from what I gather, the number of incidents was extremely small, possibly within the range of random chance. And Samsung pulled the phone entirely simply because they felt the brand name had been too damaged.

        It was not random chance. There were several incidences where the replacements also burned up, and even if Samsung shipped a million, that's still a lot higher than other smartp

      • Because I'm sure when Samsung started their battery group, they picked a bunch of random people and sent them to "Battery School". Once they graduated, they immediately started creating the batteries for the Note 7.

        Or maybe they hired engineers from other companies and institutions that actually had experience in battery design.

        Also, when the second rev of the phone began failing, I'm sure they pulled the whole product and created a massive PR fiasco because they just felt like giving up, and not because p

    • If Samsung didn't know from their internal engineers within 2 weeks of the problem, they have a shitty engineering/QC organization.

      If you rush to do a RCFA on a failure that caused this kind of loss to a business then you have a very shitty engineering / QC organisation.

      Engineers love jumping to conclusions. It's amazing the number of times they get it wrong, don't find the true underlying cause, or don't find very valuable leanings in the process. The fact that they haven't answered this question yet shows they have a far more serious engineering / QC organisation than you will ever know.

    • When catastrophic failures of this type occur, the evidence left is typically a pile of ash and molten metal. It's difficult if not impossible to determine root cause of such a failure.

      They may be inductively thinking and producing a similar failure by applying force to the battery, causing it to fail in a similar manner. However, I'm doubtful that they can determine with certainty what caused a pile of ash/molten metal to have failed.

  • HCF Error? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward

    "Samsung has also previously noted that it was working with several third-party sources and experts to figure out what could have caused the error"

    Overheating and bursting into flames is hardly an "error."

  • It's better that they are studying the situation rather than saying, "Meh, we'll simply not do that again" without really coming to an understanding of what they actually did that went wrong. I feel like that's what manufacturers frequently do. That being said, I hate the thin form factor as my hand wraps around the phone in such a way that it accidentally touches the screen sometimes.
  • I don't understand (Score:5, Interesting)

    by nospam007 ( 722110 ) * on Monday January 02, 2017 @10:52AM (#53592389)

    What's up with this 'thinner' obsession?

    Everybody I know uses either a fat battery-cover to have more power or an armored cover to protect the slim phones.
    And as for tablets, I prefer the fat toddler-covers which allow a much more relaxed grip on these ultra-thin tablets.

    • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @11:15AM (#53592467) Homepage Journal

      Well, let's separate out utility value from design value. A thinner phone is somewhat more convenient all things being equal, but thing's aren't equal. We're obviously at the point where many consumers would prefer a marginal improvement in robustness over a marginal reduction in thinness.

      But you've got to get people to buy the thing, and part of that is to make them say, "Wow this is new," when they hold the device. It doesn't take a lot of creativity to make them say that by making the phone thinner than the one they currently carry. You must make it thinner than the last generation of phones. So the usefulness of more thinness isn't for the user, it's for the salesman.

      • by ColdWetDog ( 752185 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @11:39AM (#53592571) Homepage

        All things being equal, thinner isn't better (on electronics, lets make sure we're all on the same page here). As nospam points out, the new iPads are so frigging thin and slippery that they are hard to hold. They look nice just siting there but they're a PITA to use. Maybe they really are like people. Although it's nice to think of them naked, the real world goes a lot more smoothly if they are covered with something.

        Somebody really has issues and it ain't us.

        • by hey! ( 33014 )

          Phones and tablets are held differently so "too thin" is a totally different question in either case. A tablet you hold in across its thickness; a phone you grasp across its width. If there were a fad for narrow phones there are only so narrow you can make them. But you can keep making phones thinner until you have to worry about paper cuts. It's just not that marginally useful.

          Now I suppose if you wear tight Italian suits you might appreciate another mm off a phone's thickness; but for most of us "thinne

        • As nospam points out, the new iPads are so frigging thin and slippery that they are hard to hold.

          Thin does not make something slippery or hard to hold. I have no problem holding a sheet of paper or a 0.5mm sheet of stainless. Thinner is not the problem here, stupid frigging brushed magnesium that looks good but is not functional is the problem. I can more easily hold my thinner Galaxy S5 than most of the thicker phones on the market due to the material used on the back cover.

          Thinner would still be better. Always better providing the phone is sturdy enough not to bend and doesn't have a stupid design me

      • A thinner phone is somewhat more convenient all things being equal, but thing's aren't equal. We're obviously at the point where many consumers would prefer a marginal improvement in robustness over a marginal reduction in thinness.

        "Many consumers" does not equal "Apple customers". That, right there, is the fundamental problem. Apple customers want thinness at all costs. And so many companies, like Samsung, are sooo jealous and envious of Apple's cultist customer base that they somehow think that they ca

        • "Many consumers" does not equal "Apple customers". That, right there, is the fundamental problem. Apple customers want thinness at all costs. And so many companies, like Samsung, are sooo jealous and envious of Apple's cultist customer base that they somehow think that they can replicate this level of success by copying Apple's impractical and user-hostile design decisions.

          I see too many people sporting iPhones in bulky protective cases every day to believe even Apple customers actually want thinner phones.

          • "Many consumers" does not equal "Apple customers". That, right there, is the fundamental problem. Apple customers want thinness at all costs. And so many companies, like Samsung, are sooo jealous and envious of Apple's cultist customer base that they somehow think that they can replicate this level of success by copying Apple's impractical and user-hostile design decisions.

            I see too many people sporting iPhones in bulky protective cases every day to believe even Apple customers actually want thinner phones.

            I didn't put mine in a bulky case for its protective properties. I put it in a case so I could hold it without dropping it. The shiny rounded edges are slippery and significantly more difficult to hold securely while juggling other things. A Thule X3 case has nice, easy to grip sides. So that's what I put on it.

        • "Many consumers" does not equal "Apple customers". That, right there, is the fundamental problem. Apple customers want thinness at all costs. And so many companies, like Samsung, are sooo jealous and envious of Apple's cultist customer base that they somehow think that they can replicate this level of success by copying Apple's impractical and user-hostile design decisions.

          So this is why Apple decided to build the SE, which is a short, fat 5S that needs no case to be usable. Maybe Apple knows what their customers want better than you and Samsung. Just a thought.

          I offer an anecdote: I have a 5S, bought the year it came out. It's a 3 year old phone now. I find the 6 and beyond to be obscenely, grotesquely big and thin. While a recent visit to the Fruit Cart (apple store) so a friend could get his 6s+'s face sensor looked at I chatted up an employee. I told him how much I li

        • > Apple customers want thinness at all costs.

          Way to go with the unsupportable generalizations.

          I'm an Apple customer and I want a phone that it robust and has long battery life and I'm entirely happy to compromise on thinness.

          • Yet you happily continue to buy Apple products, instead of putting your money where your mouth is and going for a different brand.

            • Yet you happily continue to buy Apple products, instead of putting your money where your mouth is and going for a different brand.

              Is making up random assumptions about people you don't know healthy?

              I've owned plenty of Android phones. I have an iPhone right now because I wanted to try it out. I don't see other manufacturers compromising on thinness either.

        • by SeaFox ( 739806 )

          "Many consumers" does not equal "Apple customers". That, right there, is the fundamental problem. Apple customers want thinness at all costs.

          No they don't. Go on the MacRurmors forums and people there are actually clamoring for a thicker phone, because they hate the bump that the camera unit causes on the back of the device, not allowing it to sit flat on a surface. I personally don't see why that would be such an issue (since they're likely to have a case on the back that prevents the camera from touching the surface anyway). They also want more durability after the iPhone 6 "bendgate" and more battery, along with thinner bezels on the device.

          T

          • No, the issue is that all those morons on MacRumors and elsewhere gripe and complain, but then run out and spend tons of money on the latest Apple iGadget anyway, despite all their bitching and complaining.

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        A thinner phone is somewhat more convenient all things being equal ...

        Actually, no. The most convenient design is the one that doesn't slip out of your hands easily and break. Excessive thinness is actually a big contributing factor to the use of cases. The thinner the phones have gotten, the more people have used cases. I used my original iPhone without a case for much of its life and never came close to dropping it. I tried to use my iPhone 5 without a case after the holster broke, and I nearly drop

    • by iTrawl ( 4142459 )

      The thinner the device in the chunky case the thinner the whole assembly is too. Imagine attaching those protective cases to brick-like phones. Not the same, is it? In the past the brick was the phone. Now the brick is made up of all that padding you attach to it to keep it safe. If they can make some progress regarding the padding, to make it thinner yet as efficient, then you get some sweet pocket padding device.

    • by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @12:19PM (#53592723)

      What's up with this 'thinner' obsession?

      one year at CES, there was an angry gypsy that whispered "thinner" into the microphone and all our electronics have been suffering ever since. ;)

  • Does anybody have any idea outside of a hidden agenda that is *NOT* in the general public's best interests why they would wait to reveal this information if they have already found out what was causing it?

    As near or far as I can figure, if they know the cause already, they should publicly release a statement right away which explains it, apologize profusely for what happened, and clarify that they are taking measures to ensure that it doesn't happen in the future. Full stop. Move on, instead of dwellin

    • Three ways I see to look at. One is they found the likely cause but want to avoid getting egg on face if it turns out they missed something. Given that they already had a double recall they probably don't want to create the appearance that they are clueless.

      The second way I could see it is by pronouncing they can show down third parties releasing their own investigations and could also time when the news got released. Given that CES is this month that can be used one of two ways, either release when press i

  • Good to note.. heh (Score:4, Informative)

    by XSportSeeker ( 4641865 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @11:11AM (#53592447)

    "A popular theory among many is that Samsung attempted to further slim the form factor of the Galaxy Note 7"

    This popular theory came from a private company that disassembled a single unit and came up with the speculation just to promote their own company, yet it has been spread by the tech press irresponsibly as a specialist opinnion.

    Though the theory is plausible, it has no substance. So it' s a good thing that an official statement will be coming out soon.

    • by Dunbal ( 464142 ) *

      disassembled a single unit and came up with the speculation just to promote their own company

      Bellingcat will sue for stealing their business method. They will also lose because Bellingcat doesn't even bother disassembling even a single unit, they just make shit up at a bar one night then publish it.

    • You forgot that this private company was staffed entirely by software engineers and project managers and didn't have even the slightest hint of any experience or knowledge of hardware design.

  • Let's see - they set themselves on fire, are banned from planes... Yep, Samsung must've declared a jihad against Apple.

  • We can expect further hot products from Samsung. If a company is on fire, Samsung is. The public is burning with anticipation for more explosive products from an organization unique in its capabilities to rekindle buyers' enthusiasm.
  • It was the battery! Nothing to see here, move along...

  • only problem is, they didn't put the "light forest on fire as signal" command in the manual. next time....

  • by slashmydots ( 2189826 ) on Monday January 02, 2017 @01:17PM (#53592953)
    I heard they're going to throw a Note 7 and a Takata airbag into the large hadron collider to see if they form a black hole of crappy Asian engineering standards that sucks in all the money around it.
    • crappy Asian engineering standards

      By all means why don't you come up with some better engineering at that price point. But hey it's easier to simply sit on a forum and shit on another company who are engineering frigging miracles in miniaturisation.

      • I'm American so instead I think I'll do it at a REASONABLE AND REALISTIC price point.
        • I'm American so instead I think I'll do it at a REASONABLE AND REALISTIC price point.

          Yeah but no one buys reasonable and realistic. You can see that quite clearly in the rise of cheap shit from China.

  • My son bought himself one of these. Nice UI for an Android device, it wasn't the TouchWiz. My fears of a glass back came true, when he was switching from a case and dropped it two feet onto his desk. The entire back was shattered.

    Fortunately, the phone was already recalled. Who's stupid enough to make a handheld computer with a glass back?

    https://twitter.com/PerfectReign/status/778987256652587008
    • >Who's stupid enough to make a handheld computer with a glass back?

      Like the Nexus 4?

      That was a crap phone. The 5 was great. The 4 was their practice run.

    • My understanding is that the glass back helps to improve radio reception [forbes.com]. It's apparently a significant problem for the newer all-aluminum phone designs. The aluminum blocks reception, and there are various ways of coping with it, typically by compromising the solid aluminum back with other materials.

      • Fascinating! I had no idea. I did like the metal back on my HTC One M8. However I've always had plastic otherwise on my android, Windows, and IPhone
        • I have an HTC One M7 myself. Notice that, in fact, it's not a seamless metal back. There are small plastic strips that cut across the top and bottom, and the sides are plastic as well. I'd presume that's not an aesthetic choice, but for reception purposes.

          I've always gotten good reception with that phone, so I do wonder what the advantage of the glass panel is over the HTC's segmented design. Maybe they patented it? Who knows.

  • And their starting this whole "slimmer = better" race.

    1. Slimmer phones are harder to hold, and almost impossible to hold with your shoulder when you just need both hands for a moment.

    2. Slimmer phones have smaller batteries and less battery life.

    3. Slimmer phones push phone makers to go with fixed batteries and to remove SD slots.

    ***

    What I want....

    A thicker phone...with a large removable battery. And if you really want to make me happy, give me three mico-SD card slots and a RAID option. And guess what,

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