Unannounced ASUS C302CA-DHM4 Chromebook Hits Newegg, and It Looks Great (betanews.com) 109
An anonymous reader shares a BetaNews article: If you have been looking for a new Chromebook with some modern specifications and features, I have some good news. An all-new convertible touchscreen ASUS Chromebook has hit Newegg. Apparently, the company has not yet announced the laptop, making it quite the surprise. Called "C302CA-DHM4," it has solid specifications, looks great, and best of all, it is reasonably priced. Also cool is the fact that the Chromebook has a backlit keyboard -- very useful for those that work in the dark. It even features dual USB-C ports (also used for charging), but neither are USB 3.1 Gen 2 -- both are Gen 1, which is essentially the slower USB 3.0. If 64GB of onboard storage isn't enough, you can expand using the microSD card port. Luckily, this ASUS Chromebook comes with 4GB of RAM, which I consider the bare minimum nowadays. While some folks may pooh-pooh the Intel Core m3 processor as underpowered, I disagree -- it is a very capable chip. For Chrome OS in particular, I expect it to be quite nimble.
Looks great? (Score:1)
Called "C302CA-DHM4," it has solid specifications, looks great...
This thing looks like a MacBook ... which makes that statement heresy.
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I take, "retard who doesn't understand the inconsequential power demand of a few leds for 500 alex". Oh look I found the daily double, Fuck you.
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The couple hundred milliamps of a current draw from the backlight is nothing compared to the CPU and the display.
Re: Backlit Keyboard? (Score:1)
"if you have been looking for a new Chromebook" (Score:2, Insightful)
No one ever has been looking for a Chromebook.
It's still a mystery how and why they are sold.
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They are great for schools. The OS is nearly impossible to compromise and they come with a full keyboard unlike an iPad. Plus you can buy two or three for whatever Apple charges.
Re:"if you have been looking for a new Chromebook" (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually, I've been in the market for a Chromebook for my 13 year old son. He uses Google Docs for schoolwork and the new capability of some Chromebooks to run Android apps means that he could do his "Android gaming" on the same laptop. Best of all, it won't break our tight budget. My current front-runner is the Acer Chromebook R11. (The R13 looks much nicer, but is a lot more money.)
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Re: "if you have been looking for a new Chromebook (Score:2)
What's a "finder"? It has folders/files and an excellent file finding facility. There's no desktop, that's true.
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..but it has a Downloads folder too. Are you sure you've actually used ChromeOS?
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ok, that's your choice, but it just seems like all your 'issues' aren't actually valid - at least, not any more. Perhaps it's time to have another look, especially now some are coming out that have some actual horsepower - it's surprising how much you need for even a half reasonable number of tabs/windows.
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Re: "if you have been looking for a new Chromebook (Score:2)
It is confusing that Slashdot seems to fetishize the Chromebook: a touchscreen centric, cloud only, spyware ridden, closed ecosystem with 0 dev tools that can only run lightweight web apps, while constantly hating Windows 10 for being a touchscreen centric cloud friendly os, which occasionally phones home, has a full blown Linux subsystem accessible through bash and has one of the best suites of development tools available.
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When the EULA reads "thou shalt bend over upon request", it seems misplaced to enthuse over the clover.
One thing worse than picking up pennies in front of a steamroller [wikipedia.org] is picking up cherries under a gorilla (this includes old, tired, dissipated gorillas with weak bladders).
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It's more or less a tablet with a touchpad and a proper hardware keyboard.
I get 10+ hours of battery life from mine, it's light (plus the power supply is tiny), it was inexpensive, I don't have to worry about malware. When I'm visiting family over the holidays, or going somewhere for a couple of days, I don't need a full-blown laptop. I just need something that's a bit more comfortable and ergonomic than a smartphone, for web browsing, e-mail and Youtube videos.
It's a straight-forward device for straight-fo
Re:"if you have been looking for a new Chromebook" (Score:4, Insightful)
No one ever has been looking for a Chromebook. It's still a mystery how and why they are sold.
People who don't know anything about computers don't know that these are any different from a regular windows laptop. I know at least one person whose father bought one thinking it was a normal computer.
For many people, a computer is a web browser and a web browser is a computer.
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A Laptop processor is far too slow and clumsy for code development!
I think you should name those top-10 schools, so that we can mock the quality of their PhD programmes.
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If your needs are basic productivity software, email, and web, it's a great option. I have two (and not coincidentally I have two kids). You can program Arduino from them, Lego makes Mindstorms software for them, Khan Academy works - even niche stuff like Quirkbots and the USB microscope. When the kids get "virus notifications" from shady web advertisements I can laugh and tell them to ignore it. If it gets Fubar'd (which hasn't happened), give it the secret salute on boot and it wipes it back to factory, r
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So why not put ubuntu on a cheap windows laptop and retain the ability to go back?
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Because it's easier to screw up a Ubuntu install.
If you're on /., then you're not the target demographic for a chromebook. If you are saddled with one, you'll need five minutes of reading and then you'll put Ubuntu on it or otherwise make it do things no normal human cares about doing. If you want a computer, you care about what you can make it do, not what software comes with it. You're not normal and chromebooks are for normal people.
Chromebooks are what I'd recommend for nearly all of my family and frien
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I just want to add that the ones with the nice screens also make excellent dumb terminals for remote desktop. That's typically how I work from home.
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You are right, there are expensive Chromebooks. I have no idea what the niche is for them or how many they sell. I can only speak to the dirt-cheap ones that clearly have a huge market.
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If your needs are basic productivity software, email, and web, it's a great option.
And if you want it to be a real computer then put Ubuntu on it. 64 GB of flash is plenty, the SD slot just sweetens the deal.
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Yes, just don't hit the space bar on boot :)
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No one ever has been looking for a Chromebook.
"No one," Anonymous Coward?
This thread is full of examples of people who are happy with their Chromebooks.
is it really that great? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:is it really that great? (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't care that whether a phone has the same or even higher resolution, as long as it's only ~5" big. 1080p at 5" and 1080p at 13" are two vastly different use cases. And web browsing on a phone is an absolutely horrible experience.
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I agree, that's pretty high , especially for a core m3, which is a chip I have tried to like, but it just throttles itself to hell and back under seemingly any small load.
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When doing serious writing or reading (a high resolution screen is pivotal when reading long, especially with technical documentation) its important to have a decent resolution screen.
I disagree. I suspect that you still possess good eyesight in spite of the middle-aged-plus status suggested by your low user ID. I'm not so lucky. I have a 32" monitor with some godawful-high native resolution that makes most things tiny even on that big a screen. I run it at less than its native res, so it's not as sharp as it could be. Lower resolution would be better for me, and I'm far from being the only one in that position. And if you ARE as young as your apparently good vision would indicate, then
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I run it at less than its native res, so it's not as sharp as it could be. Lower resolution would be better for me, and I'm far from being the only one in that position.
Why wouldn't you just run the monitor at a higher DPI? DPI scaling is old hat at this point.
A slashvertisement? (Score:4, Insightful)
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Never Buy ASUS Laptops (Score:2)
Extremely shoddy hardware, with the cheapest possible components and glitchy, jerky operation owing to defects in communication between the glitchy slow components and other parts of the hardware. You would do much better to buy ACER or Lenovo, which is why they were the big winners in sales figures last year while ASUS did poorly.
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agreed, the Acer Chromebook 14 , while only having a celeron , seems a better deal, better looking too, why would i pay an extra 200 for an i3M ?
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I bought my wife an Acer Chromebook, I think it has a 15 inch screen though. At any rate, she loves the thing. The Haswell? Celeron is very capable, the construction is good, has a nice bright 1080p IPS screen, the works. And all for 250 bucks. I'm not sure what the deal is with Acer as their Windows laptops in my experience suck but they make pretty good Chromebooks. It's like two different companies. I have a 10 inch Acer 2-in-1 I picked up on a whim a few months ago and it is horrible. The keyboard and t
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My main concern about this device is that the Intel chip in it - at $281, amounts to 56% of the retail cost. Give me the same thing in ARM please, and pass the savings through.
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Extremely shoddy hardware, with the cheapest possible components and glitchy, jerky operation owing to defects in communication between the glitchy slow components and other parts of the hardware.
Haha, you're making that up. It would be bad business for Asus to put out a machine with weak components that break immediately, causing huge return bills and massive hit to reputation. For that reason, the low end is where you will find serious reliability... high return rate would break the business. (BTW, this doesn't apply to Dell, just avoid.)
The dominant fact of life about this form factor is the thermal envelope, which limits the processor clock. Just suck it up... that's the cost of the sexy thin pr
Reasonably priced? (Score:2)
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Very good point. I agree $499 is way too high.
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It's because the Core M3 in it costs $281.
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I thought half the point of a Chromebook was that it was supposed to be cheaper than a standard laptop?
I'm sure that was the case at first as they were going up against the extremely dominant Windows platform and they felt like positioning the Chromebook as, among other things, a value was a good way to get some market share. Now that they have traction and people are buying Chromebooks on other merits like security, ease of use, and simplicity, the OEMs are taking a shot at going up market. Now the message can be, you know that Chromebook you like so much, yet was slow and cheaply constructed? Well now by j
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I thought half the point of a Chromebook was that it was supposed to be cheaper than a standard laptop?
This form factor is more like an ultrabook, so compare to that.
...aaaaand it is already gone. (Score:1)
Thank you Trump!
Fool me once, twice (Score:2)
Fool me once*, shame on you. Fool me twice**, can't get fooled again. Fuck you Asus!
*with the Transformer Prime and it's shitty ass WiFi, and GPS so bad you actually expected me to use a dongle to get a usable GPS signal
**with the Transformer Infinity, and it's piece of shit software upgrades (and from what I understand to be somehow due to inferior memory bandwidth?) that render the thing slower and slower with every update, to the point that I can do a factory reset on my Inifinity, install absolutely no
What? (Score:5, Insightful)
What the fuck are you even babbling about? Chromebooks aren't given away. Unless you browse using TAILS on a read only USB stick you're being tracked somewhere by some ad agency. Get a Chromebook for your parents and you'll never get another tech support phone call.
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Below cost? Except for the MS tax I can find comparable Windows laptops. And if ChromeOS is free to the manufacturer, why is Asus selling them below cost? That fails the sniff test and all sorts of logic. And if you hate it so much you can wipe the drive and do everything with your own version of Linux...?
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And if you hate it so much you can wipe the drive and do everything with your own version of Linux...?
And then the thing will beg you, every time you turn it on, to wipe GNU/Linux and reinstall stock Chrome OS. At "OS verification is off", you can press Ctrl+D to continue booting. But someone else who turns on your developer mode Chromebook is unlikely to know this and will instead press Space as prompted, then press Enter as prompted. The latter begins a wipe, causing you to lose all work that has not yet been pushed to your backup or version control as well as the use of the laptop until you return home w
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My Acer C720 and my ChromeBoxes don't nag me, but then I flashed new firmware on them.
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I thought the owner of a Chromebook still needed to turn off OS verification in order to install and boot Linux-on-bare-hardware on said Chromebook. I admit that I haven't bought a Chromebook myself because of blog posts that I've read about this behavior. Can you link to a page describing how to install Linux-on-bare-hardware that boots without prompting the user to wipe it?
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Google gives away ChromeOS and Android. Chromebooks are sold below their true cost because they are selling YOU.
And it's nice that for once I'm the one on the receiving end of a subsidy. I own an Acer C720, and I'm running Xubuntu on it, so all of those Chrome users who bought one are responsible for the sweet deal I got on it. :-)
I wonder how long it will take for somebody to jailbreak this latest Acer so even more Linux users can be subsidzed by Chrome users...
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+1000
I did this about a year ago for my 70 year old parents and now all the calls I get are related to family events rather than tech support. Well worth the few hundred bucks for a 1080p chromebook. They absolutely love it.
My wife loved hers, never needed to boot Linux (Score:5, Interesting)
My wife switched from a Linux desktop to a Chromebook, which would also run Ubuntu. To my surprise, she never had any reason to boot Ubuntu - Chrome was all she needed. As someone else said, for her the computer is the web. Battery life was great, it would sleep and wake quickly and without glitches so she'd charge it maybe once a week. Just close the lid when she's not using it and the battery would last a week.
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To my surprise, she never had any reason to boot Ubuntu - Chrome was all she needed.
Works for many people, but basically a casual user. No artist would ever be satisfied working in a browser, for example. Sometimes you just need to strip away the crap and use a computer as a computer.
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I do the same with my Fedora 24 and Fedora25 versions. I close the lid, When I want to use it, I open the id, press the power button and the laptop wakes up from where it left off.
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They still need to make it easier to restrict logins to being just from that chromebook, or require 2FA. My GF's mom is super gullible (lost $40K to phone scammers) and more than once has been convinced to type her Google account password into some other site.
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Yeah, but it (2FA) is not ready for gullible grandmothers (yet).
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Have you read every single line of code currently running on your computer? How about the UEFI code? Hard drive firmware? We know spy agencies have compromised that before. You have absolutely no clue if your box is spyware free. How about the management engine in your CPU or the firmware on your ethernet interface? You'd have no idea if it randomly sent packets back to the home company in China. Yes Google uses analytics and metrics on its users but you can't call it spyware when they tell you what's being
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What you call spyware I call the price I gladly pay for free email, calendar, contact management, search, web browsing, drive space, photo organization, document creation/editing/management, (simple) web site hosting, a mobile device OS, maps, translation, music management, video hosting, messaging, social media (I know), note-taking, and data synchronization.
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I call people like you selfish. You are willing to trade your children's future away for a trinket. Oh, you think it is just a bit of your privacy that you trade for all the "free" stuff that google gives you? Google and such are building a massive wall of predictive software that is going to royally screw our kids, grand-kids, and great grand-kids. If they can predict what large numbers of people will do under any given circumstance, they can control what large numbers of people do. This is not going to en
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I don't trust Google to always do what I think is morally right, but they give me tools to see and expunge everything they track about me.
That's a far better deal than I get from most companies I interact with.
Sure, of course they may be lying, but why would they lie when 99.999% of their customers won't even bother learning that there is such an option, let alone exercise it?! Lying would open them to legal risk, telling them the truth insulates them and costs them practically nothing.
Certainly not GNU philosophy, maybe Linux (Score:3)
> Sure they may be based on linux but they do not share the philosophy.
That's an interesting comment. Certainly it doesn't match Stallman's GNU philosophy, but Linus's Linux philosophy - maybe not so much conflict there. You pop open a terminal and there's Linux, with the standard Linux tools.
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> Sure they may be based on linux but they do not share the philosophy.
That's an interesting comment. Certainly it doesn't match Stallman's GNU philosophy, but Linus's Linux philosophy
Totally matches Stallman's philosophy. What he cares about is that you can get the source to the code you are running, and the toolchain, rebuild it, change it, and run it on the device. Checkmarks for all on Chromebook. Well, except for the copyleft requirement for making changes to open source code available, which Google does even though not legally required to. Also note that Linus has never been against Stallman's magnum opus, the GPL, only against the FSF, which tends to be grabby about copyright assi
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Totally matches Stallman's philosophy
Not at all. Yes, the client-side is OK, but the server-side (eg Google Docs) is completely closed. It would have to be Affero GPL to allow you to deploy a modified version of the web app.
Chromebook is almost like a computer with all proprietary software, connected to a display and keyboard with free (GPL) firmware.
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Totally matches Stallman's philosophy
Not at all. Yes, the client-side is OK, but the server-side (eg Google Docs) is completely closed.
I guess we'd have to ask him. You aren't forced to use Google Docs.
No need to ask, he spouts off without being asked (Score:2)
Stallman was talking about how horrible ChromeOS would be before it was even released.
http://m.theregister.co.uk/201... [theregister.co.uk]
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Stallman was talking about how horrible ChromeOS would be before it was even released.
As is the case more often than not, he's right. A full-blown computer that can only run a browser, feh. Everybody who uses one will run into that limitation sooner or later and complain about it, especially as the devices keep moving closer to the ultrabook form factor. Google is well aware of this and is busy back filling, supporting Android apps and multiple windows for example.
I was surprised (Score:2)
> A full-blown computer that can only run a browser, feh. Everybody who uses one will run into that limitation sooner or later and complain about it
My wife replaced her Linux desktop with a Chromebook, which I immediately istalled Ubuntu on. I also left ChromeOS as dual boot. By booting Ubuntu, it ran pretty much just like the desktop she had before. My wife loved that little computer. One great thing was the battery life - it would suspend amd resume very quickly and gracefully, so by just closing
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So for your wife, the moment when she realizes it isn't a real computer will come later, rather than sooner. But it will come... disconnected from the internet and need to print something perhaps?
She had it for three or four ars before I broke it (Score:2)
She had it for three or four years before I accidentally broke it, and she was always happy with it. We printed stuff out about two or three times per year, meaning the inkjet nozzles were likely to be dried up, so even from my big desktop I print via the Fedex Office (Kinko's) on the corner. As I said, it wouldn't quite fit *my* needs, and it may not fit *your* needs, but it works very well for very many people.
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I'd love to know how, in your mind, Linux was ever going to "win the desktop" while also maintaining the unix philosophy. When people speak of Linux ruling the desktop (or the pocket I guess), they certainly do not envision the masses editing text config files and piping bash commands. But if that's your thing, Chromebooks do have a developer mode with full access to the guts and many Android handsets/tablets are rooted without too much effort - anyone who cares will probably check to make sure of this befo
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The odds of a tissue type match would be even tinier than they are within the same race. Heck, it's less than 50% chance within the immediate family.
Either it's a myth or it dates from before they knew about stuff like that and the guy would probably have died anyway.
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