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HP To Buy Samsung's Printer Business For $1.05 Billion (usatoday.com) 111

HP has agreed to a deal with Samsung to acquire their printer business for $1.05 billion, a deal that will be the largest print acquisition in HP's history. USA Today reports: "The acquisition of Samsung's printer business allows us to deliver print innovation and create entirely new business opportunities with far better efficiency, security, and economics for customers," said HP president and CEO Dion Weisler in a statement. The Samsung deal would give HP access to 6,500 printing patents as well as 1,300 researchers and engineers "with advanced expertise in laser printer technology." While this deal is being negotiated, Samsung's mobile phone business has been navigating a recall of its Galaxy Note 7 smartphones over issues with batteries catching fire and exploding. One of the most recent accidents reported involved a six-year-old boy in New York, who was using the device when it "suddenly burst into flames."
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HP To Buy Samsung's Printer Business For $1.05 Billion

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    The way things are going, they could have gotten Lexmark for less.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    What do batteries catching fire have to do with printers?

    NOTHING!

    Please stop with the stories that are off topic with themselves.

  • by sphealey ( 2855 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @07:43PM (#52875181)

    = = = While this deal is being negotiated, Samsung's mobile phone business has been navigating a recall of its Galaxy Note 7 smartphones over issues with batteries catching fire and exploding.= = =

    I doubt there is much more connection between Samsung's printer and cell phone divisions than there is between their printer and guided missile destroyer units.

    sPh

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by rtb61 ( 674572 )

      Well, there is one connection, the money from the sale of the printer division to pay for the losses of the built in battery division. I wonder how much Samsung saved in battery manufacture by having non user removable batteries, compared to how much they lost as a result of having non user replaceable batteries, youch, decades of claimed battery savings down the drain and no where near paying for the whole bullshit marketing about built in batteries being better than user replaceable ones. I guess the Sam

  • Note to Hp: You guys could have got the business for 250 million, if you hadn't bought the ink cartridge department, too...

    Of all people who should know better, it would be you. *sigh*
    • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
      TFS mentioned laser printers. HP has been spending all their efforts on ink, not laser, so they are behind. Though that means people can pick up their cheap lasers for $100, but they don't last any better than the ink ones, not like the 20 year old HP laserjets that are still going.
      • Thanks for reasoning your way through a funny comment, I bet they LOVE you at parties.
        • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
          No mods up for funny, a mod down, for something. Looks like your funny wasn't, so dissecting an incorrect statement that wasn't a joke (even if intended as such) seems appropriate. They bought the laser division. Laser doesn't come with ink. Just like your joke doesn't come with humor.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    samsung's printers were one of the few remaining product lines you could reliably use third party or remanufactured toner cartridges in. first thing HP will do, no doubt, is nix that, either by "redesigning" samsung's models with DRM, issuing a 'critical' firmware fix that does the same thing, or flat out killing-off the samsung models completely.

    captcha: frugally

    i guess that leaves brother as the best choice for lower-end lasers (and inkets for that matter) that happily use cheap non-OEM consumables.

  • by Sarusa ( 104047 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @08:05PM (#52875371)

    Samsung laser printers are cheap and just work. The ones at work (and the ones I have at home) just WORK, the only time they don't work is when they're out of paper. You can always print to them, and it's reliable.

    On the other hand, the HP printers on the same work network are pieces of crap that get 'lost' all the time ('Printer is not online'), probably because of how terrible the HP drivers are. And those HP drivers nag you all the f@$ing time to install the rest of the HP bloatware.

    So now they're going to slap their shitty drivers on the Samsungs and they'll be completely terrible too, and cartridge prices will skyrocket. There's no upside on this for consumers.

    • Yep, I have at least 5 Samsung printers around town and routinely recommend them to others. The Samsung devices were reliable and reasonably priced. Like others, I will never buy another HP printer, even if initially the new HP offerings are merely re-branded Samsung devices. It certainly seems HP has fully consumed any good will that informed consumers were willing to extend as they cashed out on their brand. I am very disappointed that they are taking out my favorite printer supplier in their ensuing dea
    • by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @09:40PM (#52875923) Journal

      Samsung sometimes rebrands other companies' printers, such as xerox. And if you have special requirements, such as PostScript or PCL, look elsewhere. These are supposed to be cheap printers

      • by Anonymous Coward

        > Samsung sometimes rebrands other companies' printers, such as xerox.

        You got that backwards: laser printers sold as Xerox are usually re-badged, made by Samsung devices, with a bit of luxury firmware (PS support, more refined PCL support, sometimes more onboard memory and a faster embedded CPU).

      • by ADRA ( 37398 )

        My Samsung laser has both PS and PCL... network card, duplex, etc etc.. and was miles ahead in price. Secondly, they weren't COMPLETE BASTARDS for DRM locking their toner carts.

    • by Mashiki ( 184564 )

      Samsung laser printers are cheap and just work. The ones at work (and the ones I have at home) just WORK, the only time they don't work is when they're out of paper. You can always print to them, and it's reliable.

      Had exactly the same thought, guess this means I should pick up a couple of more laser printers before HP gets their hands on them. Every person I've recommended them to vs any brand of inkjet has been very happy with them. The HP bloatware is probably the worst thing out there, you'd think after people complained about how shitty that stuff was ~10 years ago with HP printers they would have listened. NOPE gotta double down, make it even worse and hide the "install driver only" options.

    • pc load letter what the fuck does that mean

    • by zmooc ( 33175 )

      While this is sad, this shouldn't really be a problem if you've already got a Samsung printer; it's going to outlive you anyway so you weren't going to buy a new one anyway :p

    • by orient ( 535927 )
      I put a brand new DRMed Samsung toner in a Samsung printer and the printer rejected the toner for not being an original Samsung item. Never bought or recommended a Samsung printer since then. Wow, it's been 11 years and I still don't miss Samsung printers.
    • My bad. Commenting to remove negative vote.

  • This looks like a transaction that should not be approved.

    • This looks like a transaction that should not be approved.

      In this case, a monopoly may actually benefit consumers, since at least the ink cartridges will be interchangeable.

      • by ADRA ( 37398 )

        How does that help consumers? Do you really see HP/Samsung releasing twice the number of printers they individually do now, or will they simply gut Samsung brand as a play to buy them out of the market? My money is heavily in the second outcome.

  • Still running HP LaserJets made in the '90s in production. These things still work like champs, AND still have drive support up through Windows 10.

    • by Strider- ( 39683 )

      Unfortunately, HP learned from their success, and has chosen to make their printers shitty since then so to force regular upgrades. I kinda wish that I hadn't given up my old 4simx, but when I moved into a 526 square foot apartment, I didn't want my printer taking up half my floor space. That thing was built like a tank.

    • by heson ( 915298 )
      HP did not make those, that is why they are good, they put their logo on them.
  • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @08:26PM (#52875489)

    Look, I just want the machine to put ink on paper. I don't want any innovation here, and certainly not from HP's driver team.

    • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @09:25PM (#52875839)

      Look, I just want the machine to put ink on paper. I don't want any innovation here, and certainly not from HP's driver team.

      Ain't that the truth! HP puts more crap in more places than anything else I've seen except maybe Office. and some of the old Norton's AV stuff.

      Nothing like a Revo uninstall to illustrate that.

      • They're buying Samsung because Samsung are soooo good at software. The marriage of those crappy devs and HP's massive bloatware is just what the industry needs!

        We have an HP all-in-one 'pro' printer at home. It's actually pretty good, but the scanner stopped working the other day, just saying "cannot connect to server". Some googling turned up some settings clearing and rebooting, but nothing worked. Just one comment said "it could just be HPs servers are down". Thankfully there were some workarounds (shock

        • They're buying Samsung because Samsung are soooo good at software. The marriage of those crappy devs and HP's massive bloatware is just what the industry needs!

          We have an HP all-in-one 'pro' printer at home. It's actually pretty good, but the scanner stopped working the other day, just saying "cannot connect to server".

          I have one too, and it's been okay except that the power supply puts out way too much RFI. Now that's a niche problem, and I just unplug it when I use the affected item. Earlier HP printers had a problem of locking up when there was a printer issue, then randomly printing out what was causing the problem later.

          But yeah, its kinda hard to come up with the next big need in printing. Its not that everything is solved, but we're pretty darned far along the path of diminishing returns.

  • I really liked Samsung printers.
    • Me, too. I have a CLX-6220FX and really like it. I have been thinking of upgrading to a faster and more capable model (although it could be argued that the one I already have is overkill for a home office) but Samsung has been letting their printer division languish lately, at least where workgroup printers are concerned. I don't care too much for HP since Carly's ruining everything that made HP great (make HP great again? ;)) so I'll probably look at Xerox (I've previously had a 6180DN) or Ricoh.

      What I lik

  • Seagate bought their hard drive business, and apparently shut it down, rather than use Samsung's superior tech and facilities, to keep churning out crappy drives based on Maxtor tech and dirt floor factories. I have yet to have a Samsung drive fail, some of my drives have over 40000 hours.

    As for the memory... WTF happened there? For a while, the best, cheapest 4GB DDR3 modules on the planet, and then.... poof.... they ended production and have never made that sort of impact on the market since.

  • Huh? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Sir Holo ( 531007 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @08:46PM (#52875649)

    FTA: "The acquisition of Samsung's printer business allows us to deliver print innovation and create entirely new business opportunities with far better efficiency, security, and economics for customers," said HP president and CEO Dion Weisler in a statement.

    Huh? Can a Professor of English please parse that gobbeldey-gook sentence for me? Is it even a sentence?

    • I am not a professor of anytighing -- but --

      "The acquisition of Samsung's printer business allows us to deliver print innovation and create entirely new business opportunities with far better efficiency, security, and economics for customers," said HP president and CEO Dion Weisler in a statement.

      What that means is "We ran out of ideas and suckers - er, I mean - customers - and had to buy our next generation of printers from someone else to turn a quick buck. Y'know, because we fired all our competent engineers eons ago to make a quick buck which we then squandered away."

      "security" was thrown in because it's a current buzzword.

    • FTA: "The acquisition of Samsung's printer business allows us to deliver print innovation and create entirely new business opportunities with far better efficiency, security, and economics for customers," said HP president and CEO Dion Weisler in a statement.

      Huh? Can a Professor of English please parse that gobbeldey-gook sentence for me? Is it even a sentence?

      Syntactically, it is a sentence, just like 'Sarah fluxes the pineapple with the clitoral differential monkey which decorates entropic synergies up to the donkey." :)

      In other words, it is meaningless bs that has been beautifully constructed.

  • by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @09:20PM (#52875819)
    Will these printers have a headphone jack?
    • If it does, it'll require a proprietary driver that comes packaged with a confusing management console that rarely works well, if at all.

  • Two points I'd like to make;
    1) the reliable early HP laserjets were actually built around a Canon engine. Anyone who used to bag on Canon LBP then rave the virtues of HP Laserjet were promptly despatched red faced back to the mail room.
    2) Fuck printers, watch 'em burn.

  • by williamyf ( 227051 ) on Monday September 12, 2016 @11:33PM (#52876385)

    Most of HP Ink (pun intended, remember that the HP of Yore split into HP Enterprise for Big Iron and Services, and HP Inc for desktops and Printers, tickers: HPE and HPI) Laser printers, even from the begining of "Laser Time" time, use laser printing Engines from other manufacturers (In the begining, mostly Canon, nowadays, they use Samsumg Engines too). So HP gets the Laser engine from a 3rd party, slaps a Microcontroller, some plastic, writes a bloated driver, and of you go.

    Samsung and Canon, on the other hand, do all that, but also make the laser engines...

    Also, HP Ink is not Strong in Multifunctional Lasers for SOHO/Prosumer/Office/BigCorporates. And has no presence Whatsoever in the Copier business.

    For HP this deal means:
    1.) Get rid of a competitor, actually, they probably got Samsung because it was the weaker of the lot, or for the other reasons detailed here. No worries, we still have Brother, Lexmark, Canon, Xerox, ... even Dell

    2.) Verticaly integrate the Laser Engine into the production, with the associate cost savings. Sorry for Canon, no more HP bussiness for them in the medium term... (contracts will not be renewed, or renewed in shorter terms than without this deal, new products will be based mostly on Samsung Laser tech).

    3.) In the medium term, deny other competitors (Dell, for example) of Said engines (Dell uses Samsung laser engines on many of their house brand lasers printers) or, having competitors using their engines to actually put money on HP's Pocket. Again, most likely contracts will not be renewed, or will be renewed on shorter and/or more expensive terms. If I were Dell, I'd rush to Canon's HQ and invite them some niguiri and Sake to, you know, discuss things.

    4.) While the product overlap is Huuuuuge, the Market overlap is not, both Geographicaly (think, for example APAC, not only US) and client wise (enterprise vs consumer vs prosumer/soho). That means that HP Ink printers can reach places were samsung is strong, and Samsung printers can reach places where HP Ink is strong.

    5.) Cross selling (Mr 500 employee office, here are your printers, can I interest you in some workstations/desktops/laptops? Mr. 800 employee office, here are your Workstations/desktops/Laptops, can I interest you in some printers to go with them?)

    6.) "Cost saving synergies" (i.e Layoffs/Pinkslips/Redundancies).

    7.) A nice throve of patents with which to defend from (don't even think on suing me, I have my patent's and Samsung's), or harass (hey, Sign this cross-pattent agreement with me, or we'll sue), or even get royalties money from competitors.

    8.) Get a presence in the copier business.

    Now, is that worth $1.05*109?

    Only time will tell.

    • My Dell 2130cn was a rebadged sammy. The new series 2142/H625/H825 are rebadged Ricohs or Xerox... I forgot what the Tier 3 tech said when I couldn't get it to connect to my AT&T router.

      Every dell printer is a pure rebadge with a different case.

    • I've been working big corporate for the last 15 years. I've seen more HP printers and plotters used in a corporate environment that probably any other, so I am not sure how they are weak. I would say their corporate business is much lager than even their personal business. When I first started we still had an old Tektronic thermal printer I used (which was fun and used colour wax).

      As to if they are any good or not, well we've had our share of issues but probably no more than anything else. Largest share of

      • Printers and plotter (though this acquisition is about printers only), Yes, MULTIFUNCTIONAL printers for corporates, not sure (here in LatAm, canon and Xerox). What about printer rental?

        Also, which region is your region? LatAm (that's were I am)? NAFTA? EMEA? APAC?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    So HP's solution to their poor sales is to buy the guys that make the worst printers in the market.

    Samsung's printers are outperform in everything by even generic crapware printers. They aren't even good for storing the paper since the tray is usually the first part to break due to the use of ridiculously cheap plastic.

  • What the hell is the connection between Samsung printers and smartphone batteries that overheat? Is this new style of non-sequiturs an attempt at looking clever without actually making a serious effort at understanding the subject? Are we going to see things like "Gravity waves have been found, as predicted by Einstein, who famously never wore socks"?

    In this case there is an excellent opportunity to comment on a variety subjects:

    1) HP's and Samsung's financial trouble and the future direction their products

  • One of the things I've noticed lately is the tendency for people to get so swept up in trends that they forget about the overall market. PC and printer manufacturers need to come to terms with contraction of a mature market, and I think HP is doing that in this case. Yes, of course, fewer people are buying PCs and even fewer are buying printers for home, but that does not mean the market is totally dead. All it means is that you're selling fewer of them, to people who actually need them for "real work." Pap

  • I've been in the photocopier (now called MFP) business, from the service side for 37 years. Other than Xerox or Canon, I've pretty much worked on them all. Been with Toshiba & Konica/Minolta for the last 19 years. Samsung made us a push when they got into the desktop & console market a few years back. They had a rock bottom price to get into the market, 3 year part warranty on ANYTHING. Of course the sales department JUMPED on it. They brought in a couple machines, SCX-8030 b&w, and CLX-9230
  • Same old formula at HP, massive layoffs followed by seemingly random acquisitions (they picked up SGI not too long ago) , followed by BONUS!!!, then by more layoffs.

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