Ask Slashdot: Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? 240
New submitter ne0phyte73 writes: In some countries and in some touch typing books key "6" is pressed with right hand and in some others with left. It's not a big issue until you have a split keyboard. Guys at UHK are putting it on the left side. Do you agree? What hand do you use to press "6"? Left hand here, but it's not a strong preference; I'll take a keyboard that omits Caps Lock wherever they put the 6.
I don't. (Score:5, Funny)
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then I in the RH
and X in the LH
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I use the keypad with num lock on
Right side, because that's where the number pad is (Score:5, Insightful)
I use the number pad a lot more often than the top row of number keys.
Both. (Score:2)
It depends on what key I'm hitting just before it and with which hand.
Perhaps the split-keyboard designers could solve the issue by putting a 6 key on both halves.
Yes, Both! Except they can't. (Score:2)
Unfortunately, one of the features of their split keyboard is that you can fit the two halves together into a one-piece keyboard (which sometimes makes sense to do), and putting a 6 on both halves doesn't work well for that. Maybe if they could put a small, easily-removable extra 6 they could still do it, but that's getting messy.
The big problem with their keyboard? It's that "Mouse" key where the Control key belongs, next to the left pinky, where most current keyboards evilly put a Caps Lock. Having an
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You're exactly right! And precisely why I hate split ergonomic keyboards.
Here's a cluestick Logitech, Microsoft, etc., other split keyboard manufacturers:
Put the bloody 5,6,T,Y,G,H,B,N keys on BOTH sides of the split keyboard.
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Buy a keyboard with programmable key displays, then program the keyboard however you like.
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7 keys for the left hand (tilde, 1-6)
7 keys for the right hand (7-0, minus, equals, backspace)
I prefer the keyboard to be centered on the screen.
While looking at the Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard [microsoft.com] I noticed that the N key is taking up the space of two keys. Many folks have pointed out that the B key is centered below G and H of an inline keyboard. Those who press the B key ambidextrously have complained about it on ergonomic keyboards. While I don't want to see the 6 key doubled up,
My numeric key pad is on right side of keyboard (Score:4, Insightful)
It falls on the left side of the keyboard (Score:2)
Depends (Score:3)
Whichever finger is closest to the 6 key wins. It's the American way.
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Yup. I really struggled as there were a few characters (YHN, and less so, TGB) that I type with both hands on a normal keyboard, but I avidly prefer ergonomic designs. The Microsoft Natural 4000 is my favourite. But I'd love it if the 6TGB and 7YHN were duplicated on both the left and right side.
I picked up the habit by keeping my pointer fingers on the D and H back when F# keys were on the far left, and then GJ or GK after the F# keys moved to the top. I have big hands, long fingers, and can reach the enti
My Microsoft ergonomic keyboard has it on the left (Score:4, Informative)
My Microsoft Natural 4000 keyboard has it on the left.
Since I've been using Microsoft ergonomic keyboards for years, I'm now in the habit of hitting the 6 with my left forefinger.
(Microsoft can't make a decent operating system, but their keyboards and mice are first class.)
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(Microsoft can't make a decent operating system, but their keyboards and mice are first class.)
I agree, but I think the reason for this is that the only thing they have do with "their" keyboards and mice is the MS logo on it.
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Heh. My way of keeping anyone off my computer is using i3 on NetBSD...
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Personally I think split keyboards are extremely uncomfortable. I don't know why people prefer them to the old style.
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I do it wrong (Score:3)
I took a typing class in 10th grade (the first opportunity I had back in the 80s). It was the most practically useful class I had in high school. The class was very clear in teaching that you use your right index finger for 6 and 7, while your left does 4 and 5. Going down the keyboard, the left index finger also does T, G, and B, while the right does Y, H, and N. The only one I do wrong is 6.
Now looking at my keyboard, 6 is almost centered between F and J, the home positions for the index fingers, but it's ever so slightly closer to F, so perhaps they were teaching the class wrong?
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Yes, really. I had been using computers since 6th grade (for a unit in Gifted & Talented, they bussed us across town to the one school that had Apple IIs for a BASIC programming unit--best thing that happened to me in all of elementary school [6th grade was the last year of elementary school in that district]). I, like many others, developed my own two-fingered approach.
I knew I wanted to touch type, but I hadn't managed to teach myself. I had been looking forward to being able to take typing in high
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As long as you type fast enough for your needs, who cares? I've known a couple of two finger typists who were plenty fast.
Yeah, but it looks kind of amateurish. It's like eating with chopsticks so that you hold one stick with left hand and the other one with right hand.
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The six is on the right side. (Score:2)
The six is closest to the right hand when resting on the home row. It's in line with the rest of the keys that the right hand press like y h and n. Why would you press it with the left?
Neither (Score:2)
Two 6s on a split keyboard? (Score:2)
Does anyone make a split keyboard with a 6 for both halves? That would seem to satisfy everyone at a cost of one extra key.
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I'm not going to pay for an extra key just to make you freaks that type on the wrong side happy.
What kind of stupid question is that? (Score:2)
Of course, I use the num-pad with my right hand. Who would not?
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Of course, I use the num-pad with my right hand. Who would not?
Users of a laptop without a num-pad.
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Left hand (Score:2)
Anyhoo, the teacher (back in the 70's) was very specific about which hand/finger went with which finger.
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Yes (Score:2)
I use both hands (Score:2)
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Where is this classic ALT-xxx functionality handled, BTW?
OS, BIOS, KB controller?
Whichever is convenient (Score:2)
Do You Press "6" Key With Right Or Left Hand? (Score:2)
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Or is it Caprica 6 or Head 6?
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Why not both? (Score:2)
Why don't split keyboards simply duplicate the border columns on both sides? This is the main reason i haven't bothered to buy one.
Finger size ratio (Score:2)
I'm one-handed... (Score:2)
you insensitive clod!!
No. (Score:2)
No, I don't.
F5 key is more important (Score:2)
I use the F5 key all the goddamn time, mostly refresh/rerun/recompile
F5 is generally the left-most Function key of the second block, separated by a space from the F4 key. I use the F5 way, way more than I do the 6 key (which is over on the numpad).
I got a wireless Microsoft Sculpt ergo keyboard [amzn.to] and while I love it, it's taken me a while to get used to the fact that the F5 key is not in the middle, I have to look for the F6 key, then go one to the left. After six months or so I'm used to it,
Does not apply to some layouts (Score:2)
French fr_FR Keyboard layout has numbers at upper SHIFT selection.
You are better using the numeric pad. Guess how it can be an annoyance with laptops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
split keyboards are fun (Score:2)
i had one - it was arm-rest mounted. there was only one space bar. i touch-type, so it would be like "rattle rattle rattle THUMP arse!.... rattle rattle THUMP".
no the weirdest thing i found was that because the keyboard was mounted on the arm rests, it was *outside* of my peripheral vision. it took three weeks to get used to, and i realised that at the time i clearly wasn't genuinely a touch-typist... because i had been using my peripheral vision to locate the keys! within three weeks i was back up to s
Left the first 2-3 times (Score:2)
The '6' key is the one key I, as a touch typist, fark up well over half the time.
Stab in the dark (Score:2)
What about "Y"? (Score:2)
Left (but right for 7 or higher) (Score:2)
There you go.
Let's conduct a test (Score:2)
Left, right (Score:4, Insightful)
I have a split Microsoft Wireless Natural at home (yes, a huge offense as a Linux-only user) and the 6 is on the left.
And at work (also Linux-only of course) I have some type of split Logitech and 6 is also on the left.
I am thinking left is probably right (pun intended).
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Poor Microsofty serf... so sorry to offend you. And yes, I have a 75" high-end TV, whatever that matters.
Oh, my mouse is Microsoft, also. They can't make an OS worth a damn, have destroyed innovation for decades, have cost consumers and taxpayers countless billions of wasted dollars, have illegally ruined tons of competitors, but certainly have made some very decent keyboards and mice!
Right hand (Score:2)
With my nose ... (Score:2)
Seemingly silly (Score:2)
Seemingly silly question, but actually a nice one. I'm right-handed, and I guess it depends on which hand is closer, so no preference in particular. Looks like left hand is preferred, though.
It depends (Score:2)
I go both ways (Score:2)
The 6 and 'b' key get hit by my left and right probably equally. I do some "stupid" stuff when typing and that's one of them. Whatever hand is free tends to whack those keys. On the other side of the coin space bar is ONLY ever hit by my right hand. I've tried changing that habit before and I can't seem to shake it. I know it slows me down a bit (I'm at 105wpm usually) but whatever. I can live with it. You can see the wear mark on any keyboard I've had for years and I think it's funny.
I tend not to u
No arrow keys means I don't care. (Score:2)
The useless part of the keyboard is the number pad. I want that space so that my arm isn't hanging so far out to reach my pointing device. But I'm not willing to gain more space in that area at the expense of high-usage cursor-movement keys, that's completely unacceptable. So feel free to drop the 6 entirely.
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The keyboard is the useless part of the keyboard.
When I was around age 10 I learned to type with one of these.. https://www.google.com/search?... [google.com]
I regret that microwriters never took off. With a weeks practice you could type perfectly fast one handed while drinking coffee with the other.
Either (Score:2)
Depends which key came before the 6. Sorry, I learned to play piano years before I saw a typewriter. ... but it's fast."
Thank goodness I never had to take keyboarding in school - the teachers would would walk by in programming and say, "my God
Why not both?! (Score:2)
Why not both?!
10 key club here (Score:2)
worked as a 10 key operator at a bank long, long ago, in a life far away. I never shook the 10 key for data entry...anyone else here remember checks ?
There is only one right answer... (Score:2)
Both the 6 and the B keys belong on both sides of a split keyboard. It couldn't possibly cost more than another $1 and we can get back to fighting over real significant, intractable problems, like the Oxford comma.
whichever hand is free (Score:2)
It depends on which keys I need to press before and after.
Both, I use ASCII Decimal codes.... (Score:2)
Right Hand: Hold Alt Key
Left Hand: Type 54 on numeric keypad
I type all keys with left hand (Score:2)
I type all keys with left hand in order to be able to keep my right hand on the mouse, really fast!
Has to be right (Score:2)
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Its in the middle (Score:2)
... yeah okay so the picture shows that in their keyboard they're putting the 6 key a couple milometers one way versus the other... but it doesn't matter.
What is more the statement "in some countries people do X instead of Y"... in regards to pressing the six key with the right or left hand... no one gives a shit. People do either and both.
It varies very slightly from one keyboard to the next.
On mine for example... it appears to be so close to the middle that I can't really tell... I've looked at it a few t
Right hand. (Score:2)
First, I use the Dvorak layout, but this has no effect on the numbers. (It does affect the two keys between 0 and backspace though.) What really has a substantial impact is that I use a keyboard with no stagger. 6 is directly above F (you'd probably have a Y there unless you have a QWERTZ kezboard), which in turn is directly above D (you'd have H there). It's a right hand key, with no ambiguity whatsoever.
You might imagine it is difficult to get used to a matrix keyboard, that you'd have years of stagger-tr
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I don't... (Score:2)
Why cripple your keyboard? (Score:2)
I'll take a keyboard that omits Caps Lock wherever they put the 6.
No one's forcing you to use full caps, and I don't think it's wise to encourage removing it. Why should I have to pay for a special "programming keyboard" just to be able to do SQL?
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Member of Team Number Pad chiming in.
Re:NumPad Hater Here (Score:2)
On my current laptop, the number pad also gets used for the easy-to-reach versions of PageUp/PageDown/Home/End and one copy of the Delete Key. Very annoying when I accidentally hit the NumLock.
On my last N laptops, the NumPad means that the keyboard is not in the middle of the laptop, which makes typing uncomfortable and encourages my hands to get off-position, cramps my right shoulder and elbow, and encourages bad typing. Obviously that's not a problem with a separate keyboard like these guys are designi
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If you ever work with numbers on a regular basis, like in a spreadsheet, it's SO much faster to use the numpad.
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I'm fairly certain you can get a keyboard with no number pad...
Get this one.. http://www.amazon.com/Happy-Ha... [amazon.com]
Really, it's worth the wonga.
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I use the numpad almost always.
This. If I ever do use the other key it's with my left hand. Y is used less than T in English so my keyboard has the T/6 closer to the left index than the right.
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I use the numpad almost always.
I don't have a numpad you insensitive clod! I have a Happy Hacking keyboard.
However when typing I just sort of launch my fingers at the keyboard and hit the keys in the required order. This comes from typing from an early age. I never learned 'proper' touch typing, but the muscle memory is pretty well ingrained and I can type faster than I can think of what to type.
So whatever finger is close to the six and fits in the logic sequence of where my fingers need to go will be the one that hits the 6 (right hand
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but do you use the numpad with your right, or left hand?
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I am a keyboard geek, and I collect all info I can get on split ergonomic keyboards.
I found that among different keyboard brands there is about a 2:1 ratio of having the '6' key on the left vs. right.
I suspect however that most brands have it on the left, because of Microsoft. (Above, I counted Microsoft as one, and discarded all direct clones.)
On keyboards with columns instead of rows, the '6' key is always on the right side, in the same columns as 'Y', 'H' and 'N'.
I know of one keyboard with the '6' key o
Yeah, it's deep, too. (Score:5, Funny)
Of course. For those of us who are, shall we say, gifted, we don't even have to get out of our chair to hit the "6" key.
However, the fact that we have to type sans trousers makes us sort of unemployable but that's a decent trade-off.
I can also play five octaves of the C note simultaneously on my piano in this manner.
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However, the fact that we have to type sans trousers makes us sort of unemployable but that's a decent trade-off.
Is that some sort of typographical euphemism?
Personally I like my fonts equipped with study "trousers," and I iron a good "serif" into my trousers themselves for good measure.
But I suppose even this "Sans Trousers" has to be better than Comic Sans... I don't even think that's appropriate for work on Casual Font Day.
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2 American Marines taking out some wacko in Belgium (not France; it was on the Belgian side of the border) has absolutely nothing to do with tech news, "news for nerds". This is a tech news site. One with poor management, but still a tech news site.
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Yes, it's a tech news site (of sorts) but which finger you use on the '6' key has got to be ... well ... kind of low on the priority list for stories, wouldn't you think?
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I suppose, but remember what I said about the management of this site. This one is probably a Slashvertisement of sorts.
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"I use a base 5 numbering system, you insensitive clods!"
But seriously, as someone who properly learned touch-typing in high school in the '80s, left side 45/RT/FG/VB, right side 67/YU/HJ/NM. But I support having the 6 on both sides of those split keyboards.
For the people whining that they can't fit on both sides, most split keyboards are not edge-to-edge, and it would only be a minor inconvenience for manufacturers to make a double-6.. Just GIS for "split keyboard" In fact, it looks like edge-to-edge is
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Next question: To capitalize, do you use the Shift key with the hand opposite of the hand typing the capitalized letter? ie.: type "A" with right hand on shift key and "J" with left hand on shift key?
Oh snap, I forgot that nobody cares.
Re:Fixing the Caps/Control/Mouse Key's more import (Score:5, Insightful)
As a draftsman, I find myself using the Caps lock key quite a bit. Without it, I'd be sitting on the Shift key for pretty much of the day. No, the Caps lock key is quite useful, thank you very much.
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