AMD Radeon R9 Fury X Launched, Independent Benchmarks, HBM Put To the Test 103
MojoKid writes: AMD officially launched the Radeon R9 Fury X based on their next generation Fiji GPU and HBM 3D stacked DRAM memory. Fiji is manufactured using TSMC's 28nm process. At its reference clocks of 1050MHz (GPU) and 500MHz (HBM), Fiji and the Radeon R9 Fury X offer peak compute performance of 8.6 TFLOPs, up to 268.8 GT/s of texture fill-rate, 67.2 GP/s of pixel fill-rate, and a whopping 512GB/s of memory bandwidth, thanks to HBM. Its compute performance, memory bandwidth, and textured fill-rate are huge upgrades over the previous generation AMD Hawaii GPU and even outpace NVIDIA's GM200, which powers the GeForce Titan X and 980 Ti. To keep the entire assembly cool, AMD strapped a close-loop liquid cooler onto the Fury X. There's a reason AMD went that route on this card, and it's not because they had to. There will be air-cooled Fury and Fury Nano cards coming in a few weeks that feature fully-functional Fiji GPUs. What the high-powered liquid-cooler on the Fury X does is allow the use of an ultra-quiet fan, with the side benefit of keeping the GPU very cool under both idle and load conditions(around 60C max under load and 30C at idle), which helps reduce overall power consumption by limiting leakage current. The AMD Radeon R9 Fury X performed very well in the benchmarks, and remained competitive with a similarly priced, reference NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti, but it wasn't a clear win. Generally speaking, the Fury X was the faster of the two cards at 2560x1440. With the resolution cranked up to 3840x2160, however, the Fury X and 980 Ti trade victories.
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Ditto. My card was all the way up to $110, which is about my limit for a single PC component because I'm cheap. I do count MB, CPU, and RAM separately, so there's a little wiggle room there. If I crank up the detail much in Skyrim, though, I do get less than 30 FPS with vsync on. I'm allergic to tearing. I miss ye olde page flipping days, in some ways of course.
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>Most games release 5 years after consoles
FTFY
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The only people who should be buying the high-end versions of videocards (or anything, for that matter) are people who can actually afford it.
For the rest of us, the low-end and mid-range cards work just fine. I'm curious about the Fury nano, for example.
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Since this is Slashdot, here's the requisite car analogy. Why spend tons of money on a sports car with tons of horsepower, when an economy class import will get me to and from work for a fraction of the price? Because
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Pshaw! I had the Intellivision AND the Odyssey from Motorola. Somewhere, in my basement, I still have both. I also have a non-working Pac-Man and Super Street Fighter II standup that I want to turn into MAME boxes but I have yet to get around to doing either. I have kept or repurchased a lot of the stuff that I had when I was younger. I can not find my old PET box and have yet to find one for sale locally.
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-1, Troll (Or retarded)
Your solution is to ditch your 2015 your 2013 gaming system (Current year minus two) for a console that, if you crunch the nubmers, is as about as powerful as a low-mid grade gaming PC from 2010. You can say this objectively because current game consoles now use (customized) PC hardware.
The two year upgrade cycle hasn't been true since the early 2000s at best. You can game quite comfortably on 5.
With consoles you also get to enjoy:
Closed walled gardens
Inflated prices
Fewer available ga
Re:This is why I gave up PC gaming (Score:5, Interesting)
I think he just likes the fact that he can go to the store, buy any game with his console's name on it, and it is guaranteed to work. He doesn't need to worry about having the right OS, the right amount of RAM, the right processor, the right video card, the drivers, and so on. Of course, even if his system is set up perfectly today, the specs will change as his machine ages. In other words, a video card that will play any game today, will not play any game in three years. A PlayStation Three still plays every single game made for a PS3, from the games that came with the system on launch day to the games that are still being released today.
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I can go on Steam (Or anywhere else to buy games), buy any game, and it is guaranteed to work.
"Having the right OS"
As long as you're running Windows 7 or 8, you're fine. If you're running Linux, and you want to game, well, I suppose you chose poorly. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux and feel it is definitely superior to Windows, but if you want to be a gamer, you have to run Windows.
Also, I can easily twist that argument back to you as "Having the right console". You can't play the latest Call of Duty or
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I can go on Steam (Or anywhere else to buy games), buy any game, and it is guaranteed to work.
As much as I want to agree with you this just isn't the case. I'll raise you Arkham Knight which was pulled from Steam. Receiving lots of negative [metacritic.com] reviews due to being a shoddy port. Oops.
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What you have claimed is not true at all. Arkham Knight was not pulled from Steam - anybody who was unhappy with the crap they released could get their money back. No questions asked. So the guarantee that the OP claimed does exist on Steam. Either it works (to your personal satisfaction) or you get a full refund.
Remind me, which consoles let you do that?
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What you have claimed is not true at all. Arkham Knight was not pulled from Steam - anybody who was unhappy with the crap they released could get their money back. No questions asked.
Show me where you can buy it on Steam? I linked to the store page, if you look at that page you'll notice you can't buy it until Fall 2015. What's that called when something is released and then unable to be purchased?
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"Batman: Arkham Knight will be available on SteamOS, Linux and Mac in Fall 2015."
Sales of Batman: Arkham Knight have been temporarily suspended while Warner Brothers works to address performance issues.
Guaranteed to work my ass.
Remind me, which consoles let you do that?
Fuck consoles.
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Ok fair point, I updated my blog feed and saw that they have pulled it completely (from steam and all physical retail channels as well).
You seem to have a different definition of guaranteed. Normally when somebody offers a guarantee it means that they are confident enough that it works that they will cover your cost if it fails. That is exactly what has happened for buyers on steam. Are you using some other definition of "guarantee"?
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Ah, crap. I should have scrolled down. ;-) I did not notice your reply and responded saying basically the same thing up to, and including, the whole point being that you had probably mistaken the usage of the word guarantee to mean that it has a guarantee that provided for a refund in the case of a defect and not guaranteed in the sense that it was certain to work. Also, a trivial point, I mentioned that it would be quite likely that one would get a refund for a non-working console game as well. If it did n
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The whole refund concept is not pertinent. The conversation's topic is about something else entirely - in this case being guaranteed to work. The use of the word guarantee may have been the cause for the confusion. In this case it means certain to work - not that you will be refunded. If a video game on a console fails to work then you will certainly get a refund for that as well. I suppose, there could be an outlier which would mean you would have to demonstrate why it did not work. The only reason that I
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a formal promise or assurance (typically in writing) that certain conditions will be fulfilled, especially that a product will be repaired or replaced if not of a specified quality and durability.
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All future sales of the PC version of AK have been suspended by Warner Brothers until further notice.
Regardless, one shitty game doesn't mean anything.
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To be fair it does mean something when the assertion includes the words "all" and "guaranteed." That is why I try to avoid stating such certainties as much as possible. Very few things are certain, guaranteed, or (in the case of discussions typically found here) are able to accurately include the word "all" as a quantifier.
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So you gave up PC gaming because you can't stop spending money that you didn't need to spend?
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1. If you're constantly upgrading you're doing it wrong. You should only buy a new GPU that moves you up at least 3 tiers. [tomshardware.com]
2. I guess you don't play any MMOs such as WoW, any RTSs such as Starcraft, or use any mods for Skyrim, Minecraft, etc. Consoles aren't always even viable in some cases. If all you care about is dumb button mashers such as Diablo 3, or Destiny then sure, knock yourself out. Meanwhile some of us will be checking out the free Path of Exile and other PC only games.
3. I've been building m
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if your game settings arent significantly better than console versions, or youre not pirating, why bother?
$650 is almost 2 brand new xbox ones for gods sake. you paid $650 to play console games, at near console settings, for the length of a single console generation. great job. and on top of that, you get the extra fun of maintaining a PC OS.
was this supposed to be impressive?
"I could have not upgraded a thing and kept right on playing"
on a 7750? an AMD 7750? the one with 1GB of vram? the one that gets 26fp
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Funny .... (Score:2)
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If those cheesy little plastic connectors they're using inside of the package to route coolant to the radiator fail, they might wreck more than that. I'm not completely against liquid cooling if it actually provides better performance...
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The failure rate of low pressure liquid cooling is actually quite low for the lifespan of the cards. (It's really low if you take out the "user connected" and "unknown branded" liquid cooling.
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The failure rate of low pressure liquid cooling is actually quite low for the lifespan of the cards.
That's true. But it's non-zero, and since there is no performance benefit to this over the nvidia card, why would you buy this?
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I'm not pushing liquid cooling, just saying the closed loop works great on the CPU, I can see why they would push it for video.
If it were a soldered heat pipe cooler, I could get behind it... but then it wouldn't be flexible. However, I did just watch a video where a kid did a pretty internally sloppy casemod (with decent external results) where he used shears to cut a steel bracket and bolted a big fat quad-double-ended heat pipe cooler to his video card in place of the factory cooler. This let him knock the fan off of it entirely and use a combination of convection (he aimed the motherboard's ports towards the sky) and one 120mm
Re:Funny .... (Score:4, Informative)
If those cheesy little plastic connectors they're using inside of the package to route coolant to the radiator fail, they might wreck more than that.
Apparently AMD contracted that part out to Cooler Master, which has a fair bit of experience with liquid cooling design. Should be ok.
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It's in the nature of fanboys. But I was positively surprised by this card, I was expecting them to come in much more power hungry and hotter due to the liquid cooling. That this was like their 220W CPU stunt with the FX-9590, a 3-400W card just to match performance at the cost of everything else. Instead it's nearly a match on power (275W vs 250W), the cooling is quiet and while it adds a radiator it's shorter making cabling easier. For all the people who want to give AMD a fighting chance, this is a competitive offer that you don't have to excuse to buy.
That said, I wonder how much it'll add to AMDs bottom line as that $650 price tag is probably quite a lot less than they hoped for, availability at least for reviews is also reportedly slim. But still, this is probably the best launch AMD has had since 2013 and I hope they can push out the rest of the lineup and leave the 300 series behind as soon as possible. Particularly the R9 nano could hit a more mainstream market, the Fury/Fury X only support a small - but profitable - segment. They need high volume cards too though, according to the Steam survey the GTX 970 has been selling 3.5x the volume as the GTX 980.
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Please AMD give us NEW midrange not rebadges (Score:2, Interesting)
I wish upon wish that AMD would give us some mid range cards which aren't rebadges of previous cards. The mid range 300 series are rebadged 200 series which themselves are rebadged 7000 series.
That's THREE generations of cards which are exactly the same. If i buy a new graphics card i'm not going to buy one that was originally released three years ago just because they've stuck a sticker with a higher number on it.
I want to support AMD, i really do. The last thing we need is for AMD to either go bust or lea
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A modern mid range card is a GTX 970. APU is going to get spanked hard by that.
Similar Performance to Nvidia (Score:3, Funny)
But you get the joys of AMD's great drivers!
You'll have to excuse me if I am not chomping at the bit to go buy this card.
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That is not a surprise. AMD is the red headed step child of the PC community. People who buy AMD CPUs or video cards do it because they cannot afford Intel or Nvidia, or because they have something to prove. I get the mentality. I used to drive a highly modified Datsun 510 and the most joy I got out of that car was out driving people in Porsche's and other nicer, more expensive cars in my "piece of junk Datsun".
It seems like AMD buyers have a similar mentality. They will go on for days about how AMD ch
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I don't need the latest and greatest, nor do I need the most performance to boost my ego so I can get into arguments about how my computer is better than yours.
It's not about that. It's about intel really is better. It's not always as much better as it costs more, but it really is better. There was a moment when AMD CPUs were better than intel CPUs, but that moment has fled. I would like to see it come again, but I'm not holding my breath. I probably will buy an AMD CPU again, but mostly because I don't want to spend umpty-hojillion dollars to get the best.
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But if my HD7750 could run it over 30FPS for the entire game? Yeah....he's doin it wrong..
My suck ass configuration was an AMD Quad CPU and a Radeon 7970. (Intel CPU users didn't have any problems with the card.) New drivers, old drivers, special drivers. None of it work. Replaced the video card with a Nvidia 720 and it worked like a charm with no changes to the game. Gee, I wonder why.
BTW, I bought the game three years after it came out for $2.50 at a Steam Black Friday sale. You would think ID Software would get their AMD support straighten out by now.
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Same for 2fps in Rage, what do you want to bet that he turned up the graphics and his CPU couldn't deliver until he got the less nice graphics that the new CPU/GPU could handle?
I used the video systems that the game recommended. When that didn't work, I lowered all the settings and it still didn't work. I even used a special command to get Rage to run all four processors in my AMD quad CPU, which helped but didn't fix the underlying graphic issue. The Nvidia 720 came after the Radeon 7970, but it has CUDA cores and the other card didn't.
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My experience was the same. The first computer I built myself was a 486DX2/66 and over the years I have tried out AMD cards on numerous occasions. Every time I do, there are driver issues that make me regret it. The last time I bought an AMD card it was a Radeon series right around the time PlanetSide came out. As soon as I saw that Optimized for Nvidia splash screen, I once again knew that I had made a mistake.
Anyone who reads game sites has seen the problems that AMD cards have been having with major
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It's "champing", dipshit.
Cooling "solution" (Score:1)
But in this case it would be "Put a CLC on it!"
But the question is... (Score:2)
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And the answer is: is it a PS4?
Capped Crusader (Score:2)
I've got $50 that says even one of these Radeon R9 Fury X beasts won't be able to make Batman Arkham Knight run without wildly fluctuating framerates, texture pops, tearing and The Bat Man doing The Jerk while gliding.
Fucking Warner Brothers. I'll pre-order another Warner Brothers game when the head of Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc. comes and nuzzles her nose in the crack of my ass. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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No, a promise is a promise. If the head of Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, Inc. comes and nuzzles her nose in the crack of my ass, I will pre-order the next Batman title.
But short of that, I won't be pre-ordering anything from Warner any time soon.
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I can't speak for their specific choices, but sometimes games are chosen for the variety of their demands not the specific demand of a title itself, or its ubiquity in previous comparisons as a point of reference. Also, some games tax the shaders more and some games tax the memory more, and some games are poorly optimized resulting in untrustworthy results. They build a "benchmark suite" based on these factors and use it for a good half year or a year. Bioshock Infinite is a demanding and beautiful game