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The Case For Flipping Your Monitor From Landscape to Portrait 567

Molly McHugh writes The vast majority of computer-related tasks see no benefit from a screen that is longer than it is tall. Sure, video playback and gaming are some key exceptions, but if you watch Netflix on your TV instead of your computer monitor and you're not into PC gaming, that long, wide display is doing nothing but hampering your experience. Let's flip it. No, seriously. Let's flip it sideways.
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The Case For Flipping Your Monitor From Landscape to Portrait

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  • Have Both (Score:5, Interesting)

    by PvtVoid ( 1252388 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:15AM (#48572937)

    I have two monitors: one landscape, one next to it flipped into portrait mode. It's not fucking rocket science.

    • Re:Have Both (Score:4, Interesting)

      by B33rNinj4 ( 666756 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:18AM (#48572971) Homepage Journal
      Same here. I've found that both fit my needs for my work. Plus, it's great to have a restaurant menu up on my portrait monitor.
    • by ArcadeMan ( 2766669 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:18AM (#48572987)

      I use my monitor rotated in portrait mode and rotated 270 degrees.

      • Re:Have Both (Score:5, Insightful)

        by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbara.jane.hud ... minus physicist> on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:27AM (#48573123) Journal

        I use my monitor rotated in portrait mode and rotated 270 degrees.

        I've rotated my screen 360 degrees :-)

        "The vast majority of computer-related tasks see no benefit from a screen that is longer than it is tall."

        Seriously, most of todays screens are so big that you can fit 2 pages side-by-side, which is a lot more convenient than one page at a time in portrait mode. Ditto for individual windows. Rotating them into portrait mode will cause neck strain as you have to tilt your head back to properly see the top.

        • It leads to a little bit of weirdness at either the top or bottom of the transition, since there aren't any (common) monitor sizes that are 1920 pixels tall; but given the absurd cheapness of more-or-less-adequate 1920x1080 displays, I've become fond of a 'triptych' style arrangement where I have the nicest monitor I can reasonably afford in landscape orientation in the center(2560x1440 is pretty reasonable these days, 2560x1600 if the premium isn't too bad, one of the '4k' resolutions once the necessary di
          • by Ottibus ( 753944 )

            [...]one of the '4k' resolutions once the necessary displayport and HDMI revisions to run them above 30Hz settle down

            You should be OK with DisplayPort for 4K, it has been around for a while. HDMI is more recent and therefore more marginal.

            And I totally agree about waiting for 60Hz, 30Hz feels very sluggish for interactive work. I just got a 120Hz monitor and that feels pretty slick for desktops (as well as games, of course!)

        • Seriously, most of todays screens are so big that you can fit 2 pages side-by-side, which is a lot more convenient than one page at a time in portrait mode.

          It's not convenient at all for most users who read one website at a time.

        • by whoever57 ( 658626 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:56AM (#48573447) Journal

          I've rotated my screen 360 degrees :-)

          Does it improve the picture now that you have twisted cables?

        • Rotating them into portrait mode will cause neck strain as you have to tilt your head back to properly see the top.

          You're sitting WAY too close.

    • I have two monitors: one landscape, one next to it flipped into portrait mode. It's not fucking rocket science.

      Drop zones + 30" or bigger screen at a minimum of 2560x1960 res + up to 9 programs open side by side. You have space for up to 9x 853x533res windows or my preferred setup: 3x1x3 - 6 resources open for reference or drop swapping to the main middle panel which looks/acts more like a portrait screen. None of this affects the ability to full screen video or play games and keeps it all on a single monitor. 3200x1800 works well for that

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      Sure, have both, but why have 2?

      The Radius Pivot [youtube.com] let you switch on the fly, in the early 1990's.
    • Re: Have Both (Score:4, Insightful)

      by SLi ( 132609 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:49AM (#48573363)

      I would do this at work for writing code, but alas, I currently work on Windows, and its support for portrait monitors, let alone landscape+portrait, is broken enough that the path of least pain is just to use landscape alone.

      Specifically, there seems to be no way to get proper antialiased fonts in portrait mode. While ClearType makes Windows fonts quite tolerable, it doesn't (and arguably can't) work in portrait mode. Traditional antialiasing could work, but for some inexplicable reason Windows disables it for a large range of font sizes (something like 7..13).

      Even worse, you can either use ClearType on all of your monitors or none of them. On portrait monitors Windows, when using ClearType, still renders the fonts as if it was landscape; the result is an incredibly blurry, colored mess. So if you have one portrait monitor, you have to tolerate aliased fonts on all of your displays.

      • I've noticed the problem myself and turned off Cleartype - I find the vertical aspect ratio more than makes up for the loss in smoothness, though that can vary from font to font - try some of the programming-specific fonts, there are some very good free ones out there - Adobe's Source Code Pro is a decent starting point, can't remember the name of the one I finally settled on.

        As for subpixel rendering "arguably not being able to work in portrait mode", what would be your reasoning? Certainly any subpixel h

      • Re: Have Both (Score:5, Informative)

        by wbo ( 1172247 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @12:11PM (#48573641)
        ClearType / Subpixel font rendering works just fine on my Windows 7 PC with 1 24" monitor in landscape and another 24" rotated in portrait.

        It didn't work for some reason when I had a fairly old ATI/AMD graphics card (It didn't take into account the rotation of the portrait monitor), But when I replaced the card with a mid-range nVidia card the problem went away. My guess is the ATI graphics driver wasn't properly reporting the orientation and pixel layout information received from the monitor.

        I have seen some (usually cheap) monitors that don't appear to have an option in their menu to set their orientation. My guess is ClearType probably wouldn't work properly on them since the DDC information would be incorrect when rotated, but that is more of a problem with the monitor than Windows.
    • Oh yeah? I have one in landscape, one in portrait AND one at 45 degrees.

      - Topper

  • Depends (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Bigbutt ( 65939 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:15AM (#48572945) Homepage Journal

    I manage Unix systems so having it be wide screen helps with longer lines.

    But I also write code so having a portrait screen helps when I'm reading documentation (PDFs for example).

    So I have a four monitor setup. Two Landscape (one reversed above my number 1 landscape monitor) and Two Portrait; one to the left and one to the right of the two center monitors. Works well for web browsing and coding where I want more side to side screen space and gaming and works well when coding and I need directories to the left and pdfs to the right. The top screen has my debugger or Firebug if I'm working on a web page.

    [John]

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:17AM (#48572951)

    The examples show lots of web sites in a maximized browser window. I use my widescreen monitor in landscape mode so I can have multiple windows simultaneously visible side-by-side. The examples are doing it poorly!

    • Normal users only read one website at a time. Only programmers, professionals, etc need to access lots of information simultaneously.

    • by Jeff Flanagan ( 2981883 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:24AM (#48573075)

      The examples show lots of web sites in a maximized browser window. I use my widescreen monitor in landscape mode so I can have multiple windows simultaneously visible side-by-side. The examples are doing it poorly!

      Yep. The biggest use I get out of wide monitors is working on two things at once on a single display. This way I can get everything done on one display while I watch TV or movies on my second monitor. It would be nice to have a 3rd display that's in portrait mode.

    • This. Monitors are deep enough even in landscape to do just about anything at 100% efficiency. But a landscape monitor allows you to add exta windows. So maybe you get an application at about 100% efficiency and a second little windows open at the same time, if you need it.
      • I'm a bit surprised that the plummeting cost and increasing availability of giant monitors hasn't given any impetus to some sort of decent tiling window manager(even just as an option lurking where only the power users would find it). Sure, in Linux, basically every permutation of Window management is possible(and might even be maintained); but pickings are slimmer in Windows and OSX.

        Setting a system so that 'maximize' only expands a window to fill half of your giant wide screen, or dividing a single phy
        • by hawkeyeMI ( 412577 ) <brock@NOSPaM.brocktice.com> on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:56AM (#48573451) Homepage
          There are various apps that will help you mimic a tiling window manager on Windows and OSX, by stuffing windows into pre-defined areas on the monitor. They don't work great. I looked and looked for proper tiling window managers like i3 on Windows. They just don't exist. There have been several attempts but they all seem to be abandoned. I had decent success with Divvy on Windows, for what it's worth, but I prefer i3/linux on my 39" 4K SEIKI display. Landscape. Honestly i find the article a bit dumb. Windows even lets you snap windows into half the display by dragging to the edge these days.
        • by Immerman ( 2627577 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @12:08PM (#48573611)

          Actually as I recall that's an included behavior in Windows 7 at least - drag a window to one edge of the screen and it "semi-maximizes" to fill that half. Tweakable in whatever settings screen lets you drag a window to the top of the screen to maximize. (Not using Windows at the moment, so can't test)

          • Better to use the Windows-Key and the left or right arrow than dragging to the edge if you have multiple screens. This way you can also snap to the side where your screens are (virtually) connected.
        • by tepples ( 727027 ) <.tepples. .at. .gmail.com.> on Thursday December 11, 2014 @12:12PM (#48573651) Homepage Journal

          Setting a system so that 'maximize' only expands a window to fill half of your giant wide screen

          In Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 8.1, pressing Win+Left or Win+Right (or dragging a window's title bar to the left or right edge) will "Snap" it, which expands it to fill half the screen. In previous versions of Windows, you could do something similar by clicking one window's title in the taskbar, Ctrl+right-clicking another, and choosing Tile Vertically.

    • Also my eyes are side by side, so my field of view is "landscape" in nature. Even were I blind in one eye, my single eye field of view is wider than tall.

      Back in the 90s is was popular for desktop publishing to use portrait monitors, until they found they could simply have as much vertical resolution with more space on the side...higher res landscape monitors.

  • My old ViewSonic VP171s has built-in rotation and I've had it for a long time.

  • by barlevg ( 2111272 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:17AM (#48572965)
    But both of my desktop monitors are locked into landscape. Now what I'd *really* like to see is a portrait (or a flippable) LAPTOP monitor...
    • Get an iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard. This works well for wordprocessing.
  • View angles (Score:5, Insightful)

    by MrLogic17 ( 233498 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:18AM (#48572969) Journal

    Some monitors are make to be viewed landscape, and when rotated have horrible view angles.
    I found some at work where the view angle was so bad, only one eye would get a good picture, while the other eye showed a faded & discolored image. Rubber-necking around would find a small sweet spot for viewing.

    TLDR; doesn't work well on some monitors.

    • Re:View angles (Score:5, Informative)

      by jandrese ( 485 ) <kensama@vt.edu> on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:20AM (#48573015) Homepage Journal
      In general: avoid TN displays if you intend to rotate the screen. IPS displays are much better for this.
    • Re:View angles (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Russ1642 ( 1087959 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:21AM (#48573031)

      And here's the comment I was looking for. Monitors aren't designed to be placed into portrait mode. They completely suck. Each eye sees different brightnesses and colours. It's truly awful unless you're one of those people that doesn't mind a distorted image. You probably have your widescreen TV in 4:3 to 16:9 stretch mode at home too.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Squapper ( 787068 )
      All monitors are made to be viewed landscape. It's about biology. Our eyes are by nature more accustomed to view wide scenes instead of tall ones. If you feel like flipping your monitor to a vertical format, you probably have a too small monitor. With a properly sized widescreen monitor, two webpages fit nicely side-by-side. Who maximizes browser windows nowdays anyway?
  • by Anonymous Coward

    Computer monitors nowadays are just Hi-def TV screens. I had better monitor resolutions in the 90s than I do today.

    • Computer monitors nowadays are just Hi-def TV screens. I had better monitor resolutions in the 90s than I do today.

      Some of them are, and for a while things did go that way due to very inexpensive 1080p panels making higher-res displays look like a bad value, but that's changed recently. I just got a beautiful 2560x1440 display for only $300 from Monoprice. I'd post a link, but I'd feel too much like an advertiser, so you'll have to search yourselves if interested.

  • by XxtraLarGe ( 551297 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:19AM (#48572993) Journal
    Portrait monitors were all the rage back in the 90's. All the desktop publishing people [nytimes.com] used them for working with Aldus Pagemaker.
  • Monitors, and scopes, were 4x3 because TVs were 4x3. 1970s word-processing systems like Wang and Dialogic used CRTs portrait-mounted. Rotating monitors have been around for years, especially since LCD displays are so much easier to reorient than big heavy CRTs. This is not news.
    • This, obviously, didn't precisely demand 4:3 (and a variety of different ratios and even shapes were available at various times, I still covet one of the circular ones); but the manufacturing and structural demands of relatively cheaply building big glass tubes full of nothing and electron guns likely constrained some of the more extreme variations that occasionally crop up with flat panels. Aside from some really old or odd circular units, being square came about by customer demand; but I suspect that it w
  • Oh, I see. (Score:4, Insightful)

    by wisnoskij ( 1206448 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:23AM (#48573053) Homepage
    So if we ignore many different and popular reasons to use a computer then portrait comes out on top.
  • Yeah, I work in console mode... reading wrapped log file lines is bad, mkay?

  • For viewing images or watching movies or playing games landscape view works best. For most all other cases, reading documents, coding, surfing the web, portrait view is better. Think about the flow when you are reading, isn't it natural that you want to see more rather than scrolling up and down?
  • I've always thought that it's great to have an extra monitor be portrait. But I'm just too old school to commit my primary monitor to it (also I deal with a lot of tables/spread sheets of many columns. I'd prefer to see an entire entry than a few columns of many entires. But in the end it's all on what you do and how you do it.
  • Don't (Score:5, Interesting)

    by zmooc ( 33175 ) <zmooc@zmooc.DEGASnet minus painter> on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:26AM (#48573119) Homepage

    So because web designers fail to properly design the web and thus leave me with ridiculously narrow columns, I should rotate my monitor? That's rubbish. Scientific research has shown again and again that we can read longer lines much more efficiently than we can read short lines, even though our subjective experience is often to the contrary. Just fix those websites and keep your monitor in landscape. Thank you.

  • A decent wide screen monitor has large work place for main activity and a band on the side perfect for windows containing reference material, or make it more 50/50 split if references are heavy.

  • Help! (Score:4, Funny)

    by berchca ( 414155 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:32AM (#48573165) Homepage

    Okay, I've managed to get the monitor off my laptop (it must have been stuck; I had to pry it off). Can someone tell me how to re-attach it as portrait?

  • The examples shown are mostly for browsing web pages in maximized windows. If that's your primary use case, you could probably get away with using this configuration, or even a tablet. But if you want to use multiple overlapping windows to do things such as side-by-side comparisons, then widescreen is definitely the way to go. But for me, this is a moot point. I try to keep my eyes fixed on a particular spot on the screen and use the scrollwheel to move the content to my focal point. A more useful feat
  • I use two 24" 1920x1200 screens in portrait mode side by side. That gets me 1900x2400 viewable with a vertical bar down the center. They are IPS panels so the viewing angle is fine in that orientation.

    Putting the two monitors side-by-side in landscape or mixed was not going to happen at my desk so this was just sort of a happy discovery. With the nearly square aspect, it fits into the corner where the old CRT used to put it's backside and I still get lots-o-dots to look at.

    I usually end up working with 4 wi

  • Lots of websites limit their width to, say, 1024 pixels. Other websites, like this one, extend across the entire page, but don't wrap text which makes them hard to read.

    I wish more websites would allow their contents to wrap into two or more columns, like magazines do. Here, for instance, is a user style to wrap Slashdot comments into two columns. [userstyles.org]

  • Xerox Alto, one of the first PC (1973) had it!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Alto/ [wikipedia.org]

  • by Alicat1194 ( 970019 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:44AM (#48573311)
    Good luck using a portrait monitor to look at spreadsheets - it'd drive you mad by the end of the day.
    • I've set up portrait monitors for users in accounting who need to see more rows than columns on spreadsheets. Less scrolling downward that way.
  • Sigh (Score:4, Insightful)

    by ledow ( 319597 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:44AM (#48573315) Homepage

    My eyes are aligned horizontally, not vertically.

    Sure, I can make the case for more vertical space. But not at the expense of horizontal.

    The only thing we use vertically is paper, and that's because we rarely consider the whole page in one go - only caring about one half at a time. And that makes it two pieces of landscape A5.

    Books are portrait, I'll give you that. But you unfold them into a landscape A5-ish or large book with multiple columns (because of the difficulty of printing very near the gutter in the middle).

    Children's picture books? Almost all landscape.
    Movies? Landscape.
    Photographs? Mostly landscape and certainly specified in landscape size and cameras are mostly designed for landscape operation (except when making portraits - for which we shockingly use them portrait!)

    You have two eyes, one left, one right. Together they focus on the object of interest.

    If you want a BIGGER landscape monitor so you can put a full A4 piece of paper on it - do that. Get it in landscape format and it will be wide enough to visualise two pieces at the same time at full height. That's not true if you flip the portrait/landscapes in those sentences.

    Portrait displays have specific and specialised uses. And almost all of them leave horizontal space in everyone's visions (sometimes for a purpose, e.g. portraits without lots of side-art on them, sometimes because of cost - airport displays not being wider than necessary). If you fill that horizontal space, you get a landscape display of the same height that is suited for all purposes.

    I can't see the case for portrait monitors for ordinary desktops at all except to "be different" or in very specialised applications where a landscape monitor of the same height will do twice as much.

  • How hard is it to make toolbars dockable on the side? My monitors are just about tall enough to display 8.5x11" sheet in 1:1 (not quite, with about 10.75" of vertical display area). But using Word means giving up nearly 1.75" at the top and nearly 0.5" at the bottom. I know I can make the ribbon hideable.

    Chrome, Adobe Reader eat up top & bottom space too.

    Let me move all that stuff off to one side!

  • by Macdude ( 23507 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:48AM (#48573341)

    If the author of this piece was smart enough to stop using windows full-screen, he'd realise that it's very useful to be able to view (at least partially) multiple windows at the same time.

  • That use their monitors in portrait are DTP types. For we systems types we like the screen real estate that landscape provides.
  • ... that I view everything in a full-screen window. I do not.

    .
    Indeed, I do take heart to what the article says, as the individual windows on my desktop are taller than they are wide. But If I were to flip my monitor to portrait mode, I'd get less usable screen real estate, not more.

    The author of the article seems to use the desktop monitor the way a tablet is used, i.e., a full-screen window for each app. I do not do that on my desktop, I do not want to do that on my desktop.

    The author of the art

    • The author of the article seems to use the desktop monitor the way a tablet is used, i.e., a full-screen window for each app.

      Why are tablets even used that way when a 7" screen is as big as two 4-5" phone screens and a 10" tablet is as big as four? I want to be able to read a page in half the screen and write comments in the other half.

      • Yeah, that's one of my peeves. Full-screen makes sense on my small iPhone, but my 10" iPad is more than big enough for 2 windows.

  • I hated it because I could scarcely read what he was doing when I sat next to him due to the viewing angle.

  • I have rotated both my monitors 45 degrees. So they're half landscape, half portrait: I see (some) long lines, and I see (bits of) a lot of lines.

  • The case for not: (Score:5, Informative)

    by Culture20 ( 968837 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @11:57AM (#48573475)
    Subpixels orient horizontally.
  • VVS (Score:5, Interesting)

    by fox171171 ( 1425329 ) on Thursday December 11, 2014 @12:17PM (#48573699)
    Sure, video playback and gaming are some key exceptions

    Well, with all the tards with VVS, I suppose even video is not always an exception either.

    Vertical Video Syndrome - A PSA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

    You're not shooting that right dummy!

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