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WD Announces 8TB, 10TB Helium Hard Drives 296

Lucas123 writes: Western Digital's HGST subsidiary today announced it's shipping its first 8TB and the world's first 10TB helium-filled hard drive. The 3.5-in, 10TB drive also marks HGST's first foray into the use of shingled magnetic recording technology, which Seagate began using last year. Unlike standard perpendicular magnetic recording (PMR), where data tracks rest side by side, SMR overlaps the tracks on a platter like shingles on a roof, thereby allowing a higher areal density. Seagate has said SMR technology will allow it to achieve 20TB drives by 2020. That company has yet to use helium, however. HGST said its use of hermetically-sealed helium drives reduces friction among moving drive components and keeps dust out. Both drives use a 7-platter configuration with a 7200 RPM spindle speed. The company said it plans to discontinue its production of air-only drives by 2017, replacing all data center models with helium drives.
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WD Announces 8TB, 10TB Helium Hard Drives

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  • I thought we were running out of Helium reserves?

    Are there not other available inert gases that work as well?

    • Re:Helium? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by nitehawk214 ( 222219 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:02PM (#47866867)

      Considering a single balloon has more helium than $10,000 of these hard drives, I don't think this is going to be a serious issue anytime soon.

      For party balloons, well, too bad.

    • Re:Helium? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:07PM (#47866909)

      No, there are not. In this case, low molecular weight is the key, and that nearly rules out anything except H2 and He.
      H2 is too reactive though. Ne is interesting, but even more expensive the He and the only advantage is less leaking.
      N2 is not meaningfully different from normal air, and Ar is even heavier.
      CH4 is cheap, light, and mostly unreactive (at moderate temps) but it's really not light enough to compete with He.

      And that's the end of the list.

      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        But helium filled disks will ensure an early end of life though. As there is basically nothing you can build that can contain it indefinetly..

      • Hot air works.

    • Helium is the second most common element in the universe. OK, there's not a lot on Earth... but it's easy to make.
      • You have a weird definition of "easy".

        Or are you talking about extracting it from natural gas wells?

      • by MavEtJu ( 241979 )

        Now if there was an easy way to get it out of all these stars....

      • Easy? Do you know how helium is produced? The helium we currently have access to is the result of Earth crust radioactive elements disintegration.

        How do you think you gonna produce efficiently and in a cost effective manner He in volume? Tell us, I am very interested to start a business to produce it and I will give you half the shares for your effort.

        • Speak with the Qatarians:

          "Air Liquide recently started up the world’s largest helium purification and liquefaction unit, a turnkey project at Ras Laffan Industrial City, Qatar. The new unit’s production capacity is approximately 38 million cubic meters of helium per year."

          http://www.airliquide.com/en/q... [airliquide.com]

          Do I get half the shares in your business?

          • by fnj ( 64210 )

            How the hell does this address GP's point that all the helium produced comes from subterranean gas? Way to miss the point.

    • That would be interesting to know. Helium is remarkably low-density by the standards of inert gasses(~.18grams/Liter vs. ~.9 for Neon and 1.25 for the ignoble-but-pretty-well-behaved Nitrogen), so it may actually be substantially different from any of the other options.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @06:57PM (#47866823)

    All my audio files sound like "Tiny Tim"

  • USA has it. (Score:4, Funny)

    by turkeydance ( 1266624 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @06:57PM (#47866829)
    helium, that is. invisible gold, Texas A (for Amarillo).
  • containment (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Eric Coleman ( 833730 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:00PM (#47866843)
    The most important question is what is the lifespan of the helium containment. Helium is notorious for getting in to and out of places that other elements can't. For example, in balloon borne cosmic ray experiments, or anything with a calorimeter or hodoscope that utilizes photomultiplier tubes, you have the problem of the helium from the balloon getting into the PMTs, which hold a vacuum. Of course, there are low pressure conditions to consider, but I'm still skeptical of the helium staying in the hard drive.
    • Totally agreed, my first thought was "how will you keep it filled"?
      • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

        by Anonymous Coward

        The enterprise grade drives are designed to be refillable. Consumer grade will not be, but will have a several year MTBF by which time the drive will be obsolete anyway and you'll be able to get one 4X the size for the same price.

        So not really an issue.

        • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @08:12PM (#47867357)

          The enterprise grade drives are designed to be refillable. Consumer grade will not be, but will have a several year MTBF by which time the drive will be obsolete anyway and you'll be able to get one 4X the size for the same price.

          So not really an issue.

          Yeah, because I'm going to have keep a helium tank on hand to refill my drives / call a WD tech to do it for me with hs own supply of helium - "Go ahead and open up the drive bays in our secure data center and jam your nozzle into our running drives, you said you were coming between 8 AM and 5 PM, right?".

          • Re:containment (Score:5, Informative)

            by rtaylor ( 70602 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @09:43PM (#47868005) Homepage

            That's almost exactly how it works with our quarter million dollar SANs.

            They get paid to maintain the SAN and regularly visit to swap hardware bits or apply software patches to it.

        • The enterprise grade drives are designed to be refillable.

          I am very skeptical. TFA does not say anything about refillable drives. If there is a valve for refilling, then that valve itself will be a major point of failure for helium leaks. It is very difficult to design a valve that will let helium flow in, without the helium also leaking out.

          • Re:containment (Score:5, Informative)

            by fnj ( 64210 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @10:32PM (#47868307)

            Yes, sealing of the valve is a non-trivial issue, but it clearly can't possibly be an insuperable problem. Every K tank of compressed helium gas produced since the 1920s has such a valve, and those tanks are pressurized to well over 100 atmospheres. I have had such a tank sitting for over 10 years with negligible leakage as measured by gauge pressure. I did learn to my dismay that if you leave the main valve open and rely on the regulator and balloon-blowing attachment to hold, you will wonder where the gas went within weeks to months.

            It would be interesting to know the pressure these drives operate at. If it is just room pressure, then I don't see how you could refill it unless you had an outgress valve as well as an ingress valve, in order to flush it.

            • It would be interesting to know the pressure these drives operate at. If it is just room pressure, then I don't see how you could refill it unless you had an outgress valve as well as an ingress valve, in order to flush it.

              WD's website says the helium is "low pressure", whatever that means. But regardless of the pressure, when the helium leaks out, it will not be displaced by air. It will leave behind a vacuum. The helium will leak out, but nothing will leak in to replace it. It will stop leaking when the partial pressure equals the concentration of helium in the atmosphere, about 5.2 ppm.

        • obsolete?

          if you use drives as shelf-spares or backups, then this is a MAJOR problem!

          I have drives that are 10+ yrs old and while I don't spin them up very often, I do expect them to still work years from now as long as I give them a spin-up every so often, to keep them in shape.

          a drive that fails just sitting there, unused, is NOT something I want to buy! or own.

      • You just buy a WD-authorized helium cartridge... Make sure that it hasn't dried out, and that the activation chip hasn't expired.
    • It is probably refillable (or I hope it is). Like every year you get to refill your helium. Containment is always a problem with helium, usually solved by regular refilling.

      • Not a problem. The MTTF of a 10TB magnetic disk is probably around 10 minutes.

    • Re:containment (Score:5, Informative)

      by maswan ( 106561 ) <(wm.wm.nawsam) (ta) (2todhsals)> on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:12PM (#47866947) Homepage

      Clever materials choices and lower pressure than on the outside (~40% IIRC). Luckily leakage is easily measured in the product design and testing phase, as well as ongoing QA. So not nearly as much risk to your data as stupid firmware bugs that only turn up under some circumstances after lots of usage. And no, they won't be refillable.

    • by confused one ( 671304 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:21PM (#47867011)
      Just fill the datacenter with helium... That way as much will leak into the drives as leaks out.
    • by ebonum ( 830686 )

      Simple question: 10-15 years from now, after the helium has escaped, will this thing still work? Today you can take a HD built 10-15 years ago, and there is a good chance it will still work (assuming you have the right cables, drivers, etc.).

  • by sribe ( 304414 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:05PM (#47866887)

    I ordered 6TB drives 3 hours ago...

  • by Chris Mattern ( 191822 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:05PM (#47866897)

    Now all my MP3s sound like the Chipmunks!

  • Helium, being not only a small atom but a monatomic gas, leaks through the tiniest holes. What happens when the helium gets out?
    • If it does leak out, the drive will surely crash, and then you lose your data, and go buy another drive(s). Seriously though, this is compacting more hardware into the same space as current technology, in order to fit into the current frame of things as they are, which is nice. But in my way of thinking, this is a lot more "stuff" crammed into a space that should maybe be bigger, and would seem to make crashes more likely. I bought a 2TB drive not long after they came out, had it in a RAID setup, and bot
      • I bought a 2TB drive not long after they came out, had it in a RAID setup, and both drives crashed 3 days after I installed them.

        I mean I bought (2) 2 TB drives.

      • Remember the Quantum Bigfoot? It was big, but it was cheaper than the competition since it was 5.25" form factor. They turned out to be pretty reliable too.
        • It was hellaciously slow, though.
        • by pjwhite ( 18503 )

          I still have a couple of Bigfoot drives running strong in a Windows 98 machine. Most reliable drives I've ever had. Slow, yes, but for my application, fast enough.

  • by amaurea ( 2900163 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:09PM (#47866927) Homepage

    When these drives were first announced it was speculated that they would use heat-assisted magnetic recording [wikipedia.org], which could store a bit into a single magnetic grain rather than a domain consisting of hundreds of them. But it turned out that they used shingled magnetic recording instead, which seems to have less long-term promise. What's the news on HAMR? Is it still being pursued?

  • by BenJeremy ( 181303 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:15PM (#47866965)

    By 2020, SSDs will have greater capacities than 20TB.

    We are seeing the buggy whip manufacturers in full denial. 10TB drives should have been out a year ago, and consumer 6TB drives should be selling for under $100. The floods in Thailand gave platter drive makers an excuse to keep the prices (and profits) jacked up artificially while the insurance money replaced aging plants with the latest technology.

    With a fraction of the energy usage, densities increasing, and hopefully a reversal in the recent trend towards less durability, SSDs will probably also overtake platter drives in price per terabyte within 5 years.

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      > By 2020, SSDs will have greater capacities than 20TB.

      I will believe it when I see it.

      Even with spinning rust you see a lot of vaporware and delay.

      Gleeful declarations of the death of the other option are entirely premature.

      > and hopefully a reversal in the recent trend towards less durability

      That's the real kicker. I can bitch and moan about my Barracudas all I want but at least they give me ample warning before giving up the ghost. SSD has yet to prove itself in this regard.

      • I have some relatively ancient OCZ Vertex drives that are still running, 24/7 as OS drives for two of my servers (media and an ESXi box). Meanwhile, I have a large stack of platter drives that gave up the ghost with no warning whatsoever.

        Reliability is as much a quality issue with SSDs as they are with platter drives, but there is less tolerance, more failure points with a platter drive, due to mechanical action.

    • by Mad Merlin ( 837387 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @07:56PM (#47867269) Homepage

      With a fraction of the energy usage, densities increasing, and hopefully a reversal in the recent trend towards less durability, SSDs will probably also overtake platter drives in price per terabyte within 5 years.

      It's not so much a trend as it is an unavoidable problem with increasing densities of SSDs. As you shrink the process size to fit more stuff in the same space, the durability goes down. As you change from SLC to MLC to TLC to fit more stuff in the same space, durability goes down. Substantial technological advances will be required to produce a 20T SSD with both acceptable durability and cost.

      In comparison, shortscreen monitors (often mislabeled as widescreen) are a trend which has no logical or technical underpinning.

      • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @08:22PM (#47867409)

        With a fraction of the energy usage, densities increasing, and hopefully a reversal in the recent trend towards less durability, SSDs will probably also overtake platter drives in price per terabyte within 5 years.

        It's not so much a trend as it is an unavoidable problem with increasing densities of SSDs. As you shrink the process size to fit more stuff in the same space, the durability goes down. As you change from SLC to MLC to TLC to fit more stuff in the same space, durability goes down. Substantial technological advances will be required to produce a 20T SSD with both acceptable durability and cost.

        In comparison, shortscreen monitors (often mislabeled as widescreen) are a trend which has no logical or technical underpinning.

        You could easily get 20 TB of flash today if you used a full size drive enclosure instead of the 2.5" wide, 7mm high shit they put out today.
        I've got plenty of 5.25" drive bays. Give me a 5.25" SSD with a HDL, SATA Express/NME, or PCI-e 3.0 (x4 at least) connection. Then give me a chipset that lets me RAID across PCI-e storage devices, making sure I can boot off the resulting array and pass TRIM to the drives behind it.

        Or how about someone starts making RAM drives (for a decent price!) again?

        • Or how about someone starts making RAM drives (for a decent price!) again?

          It's easier to just buy more system RAM than to have specialized "RAM drive" hardware.

          Then, if caching doesn't give you good enough performance, you can just use software to create a RAM disk.

          • But I want to BOOT off of it and have everything on one drive/partition. This isn't 1992, I don't enjoy juggling partitions for no fucking reason.
            I want battery-backed, NAND-backed, RAM speeds. Blitz it all into the drive's RAM at POST. Then the OS doesn't even have to know WTF is going on.
            At shutdown or loss of power, dump it all back to NAND.
            You could probably even extend the life of that NAND dramatically by ONLY writing to it when power has been cut. So even when you've shutdown/halted, you're pulli

      • SSDs have far more room for innovation than platter drive technology. There are lots of promising advances making their way to production. Even better... you don't have to shrink the chips and make them more dense - you just have to make the existing fab cheaper. In 6 years, those chips will cost a fraction of what they do today.

        As for monitors, 1080p is the result of convergence between the television and the computer monitor. Like it or not, it has resulted in an unprecedented reduction in price. South Ko

    • by Kjella ( 173770 )

      There's still a >10:1 cost difference between 4TB HDDs and 1TB SSDs and SSD prices are not dropping that fast. Current SSDs are already on the bleeding edge of processing technology with 16nm MLC so there's fairly limited density increases and big durability issues ahead. I guess the wildcard is 3D NAND, but much like going multicore for CPUs it's a substitute. However, they are taking over all normal end user uses in cell phones and tables and laptops, it's just the big bulk storage left.

    • I've been watching storage price trends for the past five years.

      Cost per 10TB of storage:

      • Jul 2009: Platter = $750, SSD = $28,125
      • Jun 2012: Platter = $567, Flash = $8,200
      • Nov 2013: Platter = $450, Flash = $5,417
      • Today: Platter = $373, SSD = $3,750

      SSD progress has been amazing. The price for SSD storage is now 10x that of platters, compared to 37.5x in 2009. The cost for a platter drive today per TB is 50% of what it was five years ago, but for an SSD it is only 13%! Does it look like SSDs are about to take over

  • Ain't Helium leakage only an issue under positive atmospheric pressure?
    If the keep the Helium slight under normal atmospheric pressure it should stay inside the drive.
    As long as the seal around it is good enough to keep other larger molecules out, the Helium will sit happily inside the drive..

    Or am i missing something? never paid attention to those bits of science classes when i was younger...

    • You're missing the part where He is an inert monatomic gas -- since any pressure is created by how much helium you've got in that otherwise-vacuum, you'll find that the helium atoms, which can pretty much go anywhere they'll fit, will eventually find their way through the mass of other atoms bit by bit. They're small enough that they'll drift right through any "air pressure" as they can comfortably fit between most other gas molecules no matter how tightly they're packed together.

      So it really all comes dow

      • So it really all comes down to the seal: if they can get the seal to leave a gap no greater than two protons thick (He comes in stable isotopes of 1 or 2 neutrons), then no helium can escape. Good luck getting a seal that good though.

        Well, you just need to squeeze your neutronium together really hard along the joints.

        Seriously, "a gap no greater than two protons thick"? Have you completely forgotten about electrons? You know, those things that hold all Earthly matter together (and apart)?

  • When approached for a comment, Dejah Thoris [wikipedia.org] would only say "How have I come to be on Jasoom? And where is John Carter?".

  • except that we've done away with the national Helium reserves and fraking + excessive natural gas mining is venting it all into space. There's a couple scientists that raised the alarm, since our entire tech is based on the stuff (and no, we can't just make more, and mining on the moon is _hard_). On the plus side I'll be dead by the time it's a problem.
  • and put a vacuum in it?
    • by xlsior ( 524145 )
      and put a vacuum in it?

      Wouldn't work: The read/write heads are actually floating a microscopic distance above the platter on cushion of air/helium/whatever. Without the gas, the distance between the heads and the platter would vary wildly, and it would almost immediately and literally come to a grinding halt, scratching up the disk surface in the process.
  • Certainly we need an update to this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb_PyKuI7II

  • So with the slow yet inevitable leakage of helium, what will be the estimated lifetime of these drives?

    Planned obsolescence, anyone?

  • This has a familiar ring about it. We discussed this same story two years ago.

    http://hardware.slashdot.org/s... [slashdot.org]

  • by dsgrntlxmply ( 610492 ) on Tuesday September 09, 2014 @10:10PM (#47868187)

    In the late 1960s, DDC of San Diego made head-per-track disk drives that operated with a helium atmosphere. These units had a cylinder of helium fastened to the baseplate (the units were 19" rack mount), and the documentation included procedures for replacing the cylinder and for purging from a full-sized cylinder if it was ever necessary to open the unit for repairs.

    I had driven down to San Diego circa 1978 to buy a cylinder of refill helium from DDC for one of these in a hand-me-down system, but never got around to replacing the cylinder on the drive. The cylinder sat in my garage for years. Thirty years later I was a returned adult physics student. My professor was using a similar helium cylinder to purge a cryostat for a superconducting magnet. He ran out of helium, and the department had no other helium. I told him "wait 20 minutes, I'll be back." I retrieved the cylinder from my garage, and the professor was both delighted and baffled. When connected to the regulator, the cylinder proved to have maintained a remarkable fraction of its original pressure, and the professor was able to complete his procedure. Sadly, another part of the magnet failed and suffered a gas pressure explosion as it was being cooled.

    In a remarkable coincidence, I noted that the department's helium cylinder and mine were identical, all the way down to a part number stenciled on them.

  • How many of these do I need to get my laptop down to 0 lbs?
  • Instead of an all-out pissing contest, can we have *reliable* 1 TB drives? Every drive bigger than 500GB has developped problems here a couple months past their warranty. Besides, Helium leaks unless properly sealed.

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