Double Take: Condoleezza Rice As Dropbox's Newest Board Member 313
Condoleezza Rice, Secretary of State under George W. Bush, and defender of Bush-era (and onward) policies about surveillance by wiretapping and other means, has landed at an interesting place: she's just become a part of the small board at Dropbox. TechDirt calls the appointment "tone deaf," and writes "At a time when people around the globe are increasingly worried about American tech firms having too close a connection to the intelligence community, a move like this seems like a huge public relations disaster. While Rice may be perfectly qualified to hold the role and to help Dropbox with the issues it needs help with, it's hard not to believe that there would be others with less baggage who could handle the job just as well."
Some people are doing more than looking for an alternative for themselves, too, as a result.
Good choice (Score:5, Insightful)
She's pretty sharp, well connected, and understands how the government sees these types of date & service providers.
At a she's an awesome catch for any cloud company. Throw in her political awareness and it's even better.
The important stuff (Score:5, Funny)
Did she donate to a Prop 8 organization?
Re:The important stuff (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, she supported propping up eight dudes and having female soldiers point at their junk.
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Well, she supported propping up eight dudes and having female soldiers point at their junk.
I generally have to pay to have kinky shit like that done to me.
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You probably also don't die as a result.
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There are quite a few rumors / gossip she is gay or in a lesbian relationship herself. She couldn't break with Bush's anti-gay agenda but she advocated respect and has come out in favor of civil unions. So consider he mildly supportive of gay rights and not bad at all for a Republican.
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Insightful)
She's pretty sharp
Anyone that thought the Iraq War was a good idea, should not be described as "pretty sharp". There is a saying that 'Whatever women do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half as good.' Condoleezza Rice is proof that we have moved past that. She is female (and black), and promoted to the highest levels, despite the failure of nearly all her policies. She is proof that you no longer have to be male to be both successful and incompetent.
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Insightful)
The Iraq war was good for all the companies involved, just like the other wars. Plus, it took down the criminal who dared to trade oil in euros, not dollars, so it was good for the State as well.
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It was good for Iraq since Saddam and his brutality are done and Iraq is now a functioning if troubled democracy. As a bonus the cost was less than Saddam's long term average of death and destruction, and that is now ended. And it also meant no more oil for food money being diverted to build palaces and buy weapons but instead is going to benefit the Iraqi people.
It was also good for Europe since many European countries got either oil or construction contracts from Iraq.
It was also good for leftist weekli
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Hey, Saddam was know to kill up to 3 people a year! So what if a hundred thousand of his people died, and Al-Queda was able to move in to a country previously unavailable to them to begin killing locals. So long as those 3 people were saved! And my Halliburton stocks paid nice dividends.
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Interesting)
That depends upon whether you mean "good idea ... for the USofA" or "good idea ... for me and my friends".
A lot of companies made a lot of money off of that war.
I don't agree with that. I think that anyone, regardless of race, creed, religion, etc, will always have a job publicly supporting the existing power structure.
She wasn't elected. She was appointed by the people who were elected. And those were white men.
Which is why I think that she's now at DropBox. She still has those political connections. And DropBox wants to pay her for access to them.
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I think that anyone, regardless of race, creed, religion, etc, will always have a job publicly supporting the existing power structure.
Isn't that an amazing step forward in egalitarianism? Such a short time ago, someone like her would never have been accepted, no matter what her political views. Pretty cool, eh? Nah, just kidding. Let's keep blaming everything on "white men" LOLZ
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Insightful)
The Iraq war achieved all of it's objectives:
The objective of the war was to destroy Iraq's WMDs. The things you listed were made-up-after-the-fact justifications.
Prior to the war, we had three goals:
1. A united Iraq
2. A secular Iraq
3. An Iraq opposed to Iranian influence.
These were also the goals of Saddam Hussein. They are NOT the goals of the current government of Iraq, which has pretty much the opposite goals (for instance, they are supporting the Assad regime in Syria).
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Insightful)
The objective of the war was to destroy Iraq's WMDs. The things you listed were made-up-after-the-fact justifications.
That was never the goal. That was the BS propaganda. Don't believe everything^W anything you see on the news. We didn't even hear the term "WMD" until Blair said that the UK wouldn't join us without a UN mandate.
The UN resolution that served as the peace treaty that ended the first Gulf War included a requirement that Saddam destroy all his WMDs and provide proof that he had done so. That proof hadn't been provided, so, bingo, pretext for war. Whether Iraq actually had any WMDs was only relevant to ginning up emotional support: the propaganda mill. It was never actually important.
BTW, it's no more important that Iraq have pro-American policies than that France does. Democracies are more open to trade and less open to war, so we benefit regardless. It's far easier for a dictator to find purely personal gain in expanding his territory regardless of sanctions, as we see in Ukraine now, for example.
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Democracies are more open to trade and less open to war, so we benefit regardless. It's far easier for a dictator to find purely personal gain in expanding his territory regardless of sanctions, as we see in Ukraine now, for example.
Except the country that invaded Ukraine was Russia, and Russia is a democracy. It doesn't become "not a democracy" just because you don't like the guy they elected. Putin was reelected with a much bigger margin than Obama, and has sky high approval ratings.
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Saddam had elections - he received 100% of the vote with 100% voter turnout! Putin's still working towards that goal.
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And you know Putins elections were not fradulant how exactly?
1. Because independent observers, while reporting irregularities, said it was more-or-less a valid election.
2. Because his margin of victory was almost the same as pre-election polls.
There is a huge dissenting voice in Rusiia that somehow did not translate into the polls.
Uh ... Putin got 63% of the vote. So the other 37% were a clear dissenting voice. But they lost. That is how democracy works.
Keep wearing those rose colored glasses.
Look, Putin is an autocratic bully, and all around asshole. But he is a DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED asshole. The fact that you don't like him (I don't like him either) doesn't mean Russia is "not a demo
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The USA has started more wars than any other country. Your democracy claim falls pretty damn flat at that fact.
Re:Good choice (Score:4, Insightful)
"* Got our troops out of Kuwait, and anywhere else too close to Mecca"
um no, US troops have been and will continue to be in Kuwait. not to mention Qutar.
"*... and showing other tin-pot dictators that the US should be feared."
the only thing Bush did that Obama has undone.
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Vastly fewer troops, though. We used to have a significant presence there after GW1. I'm not blaming Obama in that way yet - the goal was deterrence of the likes of Kim Jong Ill, not so much Putin.
Was it worth 4,488 Americans dying? (Score:3)
Was the Iraq war worth 36,710 dead and wounded US military personnel (4,488 dead)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U... [wikipedia.org]
The father knew not to take out Saddam. The son, not so much. And it was a war initiated on completely false pretenses (sort of a False Flag event).
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She's also just a board member. They rarely make any decisions regarding company policies or products. Instead the board is there to make sure they get paid, that the company's executives are held accountable to them, and so forth. The board is essentially the company's owners or representatives of the owners.
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99% of the users of Dropbox will not care and for a large number of potential users she will provide sense of legitimacy.
Goodbye paranoid trouble makers that use the free service, hello companies that pay for the service.
I fear that some members of the tech crowd think they have more power than they really do,
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Goodbye paranoid trouble makers that use the free service
Can't speak for any of the other 'paranoid trouble-makers' out there, but she doesn't scare me.
Probably doesn't scare anyone else smart enough to encrypt private stuff before uploading it to the cloud, either.
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She's a horrible cunt who lied...
That may not be truthful. There's a consensus building that she and her allies genuinely believed in their policy. That doesn't speak well for her competence but at least her integrity isn't under as great a scrutiny.
So, it's an old familiar foe called Ignorance that we keep on fighting, instead of some malevolent conspiracy.
Re:Good choice (Score:5, Informative)
No, even Downing Street knew that the whole justification for the invasion was crap, if you remember they complained internally that "the intelligence is being fixed". Blatant falsification of data, deliberate sabotage of the WMD inspections (IIRC they were 97% complete when the US told inspectors they had to leave immediately because bombing was about to start), illegal propaganda operations targeting the US public, the whole run-up to the war was founded on lies that were exposed in the foreign press but knowingly redistributed by the US media. There may be "a consensus building", but joining that group will require deliberately forgetting everything that was actually going on at the time in favor of historical revisionism.
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date & service providers
dropbox == escort service?
Urbanspoon isn't an african american dating site?
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Saying she's a bad choice is like saying a successful defense lawyer is a bad choice because he got his client off, and you were the prosecuting attorney.
FTFY. Because really, it has nothing to do with competence. I'm sure she's very competent. Just in a way that is bad news for dropbox users (ie, the "prosecuting attorney" in the fixed analogy).
Force her out! (Score:5, Insightful)
Quick, let's boycott Dropbox so we can force her out of the company. Then after we've succeeded we can have a another Slashdot story lamenting how intolerant we've all become and we can point fingers at everyone else.
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I'm not going to 'boycott' them, but I am going to stop using them, and I now no longer care who they have on their board.
I am disconnecting anything which I have which still points to DropBox since I haven't used it in a while anyway.
But for a company which does cloud storage to expect that people won't look at that appointment and say "oh hell no", they're sadly mistaken. You might as well appoint Alberto Gonzales as a Constitutional scholar and privacy expert.
I'm betting DropBox suddenly sees a drop in
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And I am going to install their app on my parents' phones too now, whereas before I only had it my own.
I'll certainly take Mr. Gonzales over Mr. Holder, who, without being much of an expert in anything (not even manners or sense of decorum [nbcnews.com]), presided over dramatic expansion of warrant-less surveillance [huffingtonpost.com].
Re:Force her out! (Score:4, Insightful)
As opposed to Gonzales who said habeus corpus wasn't really a right? Who said that torture was OK?
You can keep him.
I'm not defending Holder, but Gonzales didn't seem to have the barest clue about what the Constitution said and what it meant.
Sorry, but pretty much anybody from the Bush era (and quite honestly a bunch who are still in Washington) has no business working at a place which has a privacy policy.
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Whats worse, a AG who doesn't know or AG who knows and ignores it anyways.
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It's not an autocracy.
You vote in the least problematic option and then you work with the other branches to limit the problems.
I voted for Obama. Twice. Because I thought the other options were worse. And now I oppose many of Obama's policies. And I let my Senators and Representatives know my opinions.
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So did Abraham Lincoln [about.com]...
For the umpteenth time: waterboarding is not torture. At most, it is "torture-lite" — anything, from which the subject walks away without bodily harm, does not qualify.
First of all, Obama's era is only worse in this regard. I und
Re:Force her out! (Score:4, Insightful)
It was torture when the North Koreans were doing it to US prisoners of war. Please tell me what has changed.
Re:Force her out! (Score:4, Insightful)
Waterboarding is regarded as torture by any other civilized country of the world.
Doesn't matter if you type you fingers bloody or stomp your feet to pretend otherwise. Just shows what America is made of these days ... not the right stuff.
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Seriously. Who would look at her record and think "Yep! My data is safe with that company. They're 100% supportive of my security and privacy."
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The NSA had a great track record of security and (internal) privacy while she was national security advisor. All the leaks happened after she left.
Do you think they wanted her for ethical advice?
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Dick Cheney?
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I'm betting they see a very small drop in usage/users. I'm going to pick a random percent out of my ass and guess that less than 10% of Dropbox users will even know about her getting on the board and of that a very small % will care enough to drop the service.
But I'm just making a wild guess and have nothing to base my numbers on.
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Baggage? (Score:5, Insightful)
I know you all think Bush and Obama are the same, but there's no way Secretary Rice has "close connections to the intelligence community" under the Obama administration.
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You still could have... until you posted.
Surely (Score:4, Insightful)
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Defend her from what? She's getting hired- not fired (or having to resign for the good of the company). Are there campaigns to try and get her forced out that I am unaware of?
Re:Surely (Score:5, Informative)
Of course there are:
http://www.drop-dropbox.com/ [drop-dropbox.com]
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Re:meh (Score:5, Insightful)
That being said, I assumed dropbox already was infiltrated by the NSA.
And now it's confirmed. Freaking astute move by the board members with gag orders and National Security Letters if you ask me.
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Oh why not? (Score:4, Insightful)
She was the provost of Stanford University, she's got a huge rolodex in government and SillyCon Valley. She's also obviously got a big background in IR and particularly working with Russia and Africa, which are both huge growth markets for Internet companies.
Her biggest crime was not asking all the right questions, and didn't have to swag necessary to challenge Cheney or Rumsfeld, not that she was particularly motivated. She's proven to be a pretty bad administrator and manager, but she's going on the Board, not into management.
Re:Oh why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
She was intimately involved in the decision to go to war with Iraq and spoke publicly in support of it.
She was an integral part of the Bush administration's campaign of lies surrounding the war, working to further public support of the war by lying about Iraq's non-existent weapons of mass destruction.
Rice played a central role in affirming the "legality" of the Bush administration's torture program.
Rice not only spoke in favor of the Bush administration's warrantless wiretap program and expansive domestic surveillance program, she authorized the warrantless wiretap of UN Security Council members.
But you keep thinking that a extremely brilliant and accomplished individual, having obtained her Masters degree at age 20, isn't smart enough to ask the right questions or able to go toe to toe with Cheney or Rumsfeld....
Re:Oh why not? (Score:4, Funny)
Oh please. We all know the real reason they hired her is because they only have to pay her 77% of what they'd pay an equivalent man. She's a bargain!
Re:Oh why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
The problem is that, while she is smart, she is also ideological.
If her ideology conflicts with the facts, the ideology wins.
Not only was she NOT willing to ask question, she WAS willing to give press interviews with WRONG information. Because that WRONG information suited her ideology. Even though it would cost lives.
NOT the kind of person YOU want on the Board of Directors of a company tasked with providing access to YOUR data.
She didn't care enough about the lives that would be lost to ask any questions. And she cared so little for those lives that she provided wrong information to support the drive to war. Do you think that your DATA will mean more to her than that?
Re:Oh why not? (Score:5, Insightful)
That is not quite true. To simplify, she was a neocon who was overconfident of what US military force could do. That would put her on the side of Dick Cheney, but on the opposite side of Rumsfeld and Powell who were urging caution.
I will second you point on that she is very sharp but that her management of the state department was subpar.
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US military did the job, the problem goes back to the post invasion policies as defined by Paul Bremer which made things worse. Had we used de-nazification policies on the Baath party, the insurgency would have been much more limited. Remember, even in post-WW2 germany, 4-5k soldiers died to German partisans (aka insurgents).
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Maybe – hindsight is 20/20. Everybody believed that the US would win the initial ground war. The long game was a different matter. My point is that the neocons felt that a small military force could rapidly democratize Iraq – that the population was yearning for a western democratic system. Some neocons where talking about probably regime change in Syria and Iran within a few years. Widely optimistic.
From what I have read about counter insurgency / pacification, it takes large committed force ye
Re:Oh why not? (Score:4, Insightful)
I've said this before, the US Military does obliterating an opposing force quite well. Which serves well when the objective is the liberation of a territory from hostile occupation, where the US can go in, win, and then the local populace can quickly get things back the way it was. It does not do occupation very well nor really has outside of the Wester Hemisphere.
The exception being post World War II with the Marshal Plan. Which planning for that began in 1943 and by 1945 the government had managed to twist the arms of a lot of academics, economists, finance, and high ranking industry officials to spend two years post war to help rebuild western Europe.
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She gave speeches strongly advocating war in Iraq, and was an integral part of the whole process that led to a war which killed over 100,000 people. It was later solidly established that the people at the very top of the Bush administration knew their excuses for war were BS and kept repeating them anyway, and ignoring all the evidence that they were wrong.
I keep reading about how intelligent this woman is. But given the things she's done, she sounds pretty goddamn dumb to me. It's not everyone who can say
My Fellow Board Members... (Score:2)
...we must not let the next warning from ShareFiles.com be a smoking gun in the shape of a mushroom cloud!
We must send our youngest interns to effect regime change on their board!
Thank you, and God Bless Dropbox!
Congratulations Dropbox ... (Score:4, Insightful)
I've been meaning to disable this for a while.
If she's on your board, I'll get that done now.
There is now zero room to trust DropBox as an entity.
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Some of us never trusted DropBox in the first place.
Low even for Slashdot (Score:2, Insightful)
If she were a Democrat, the article would talk about the racist/sexist Republicans that were trying to force her out.
The Democrats have only enhanced the spying and wiretapping, but you don't get outcry's about the likes of Facebook the Zuckerberg's of the world who are huge Democrat donors.
I love to see that "tolerance" the left is famous for.
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I love to see that "tolerance" the left is famous for.
And we've seen it from the Soviet gulags to the Khmer Rouge's killing fields.
Re:Low even for Slashdot (Score:5, Informative)
Let's say Republican Senator Susan Collins took this position instead. Then: No issue and no uproar.
The problem is not that Rice is a Republican, it's that she was a part of the most terrifying Republican administration in history, and oversaw defense of torture and mass-surveillance wiretapping programs.
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it's that she was a part of the most terrifying Republican administration in history, and oversaw defense of torture and mass-surveillance wiretapping programs.
So if she had been part of the most terrifying Democrat administration in history, it would be ok?
To be clear, I consider both parties to be clowns. They are mostly all friends and laugh at all the hardcore party partisans that get all worked up and think it's real. It's just like pro wrestling. You're just a mark.
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Well, he couldn't have said "the most terrifying administration in history" anymore, could he?
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I hope you consider the Obama admin one of the most terrifying Democratic admins in history then as they oversaw defense of drone assassinations and much more expanded mass-surveillance. Lets add in gun-running to mexico, getting our ambassador to Libya and 3 others dead and then lying about it, enacting policies that encourage the militarization of local police, etc. Of course it takes a lot to surpass the Woodrow Wilson admin with their arresting journalists and shutting down newspapers that were their
Team mentality (Score:3)
I was trying to figure out why people would say that she's connected to the NSA. I was wondering if they'd say that about anyone who served in the White House (Al Gore is on Apple's board). I guess to people subscribing to a team mentality, any member of the republican leadership must be working to promote the NSA, and all the brave democrats are fighting against it.
But in reality, it's pretty silly to think that she's going to advocate turning over all their data to the NSA just because she's on their boar
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I think if James Clapper or Keith Alexander joined the board of DropBox you'd see the same issues. But they haven't.
Being a donor to one of two political choices (or often both) is one thing. That's very, very far removed from power. Actually having started wars whilst being Secretary of State is entirely different.
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Facebook changing THEIR privacy policy directly affects users. The outcry is justified and has nothing to do with the politics of their CEO or board. This issue is entirely different. People are calling for boycotts and pressure because a perfectly capable board member used to work for the Bush administration which started a wiretapping program. It has NOTHING to do with what she personally has done nor what she has done as a board member of the Dropbox company.
Thanks for playing, next ti
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I see the hamster stopped running in it's wheel.
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I see so you want the policy to be in place so that you can be outraged that it happened instead of preventing it from happening.
Nice slippery slope fallacy. You're 0 for 2. Care to try again?
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Hear that ringing? I think that might be 1994 calling...
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Perfect. Every bug report could be immediately closed our with a resolution of "What difference does it make?".
Uh oh! (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently they never checked her stance on Gay marriage:
“I don’t ever want anybody to be denied rights within our country. I happen to think marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s tradition, and I believe that that’s the right answer. But perhaps we will decide that there needs to be some way for people to express their desire to live together through civil union.”
Condoleezza Rice — Dec. 20, 2010
I guess websites will have to protest and such and then she'll resign after 2 weeks right?
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Did she supported any bills that were discriminatory? If yes, then I would say that she deserves the same backslash as Mr. Eich. Of course, it's not to be to decide but from the homosexual community. From the short quote I can't decide, because same-sex marriage was never about the marriage itself but the recognition of the union from the government. Basically, I would agree with Rice on this particular quote.
Lets see what the quote says:
"I don’t ever want anybody to be denied rights within our countr
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Well (Score:2)
Sum up... (Score:5, Insightful)
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For non-savvy users: I recommend Tresorit [tresorit.com]. I really like the interface, and they seem to have security as one of their primary focuses. Everything you store on Tresorit is encrypted before it leaves your computer / device.
For more savvy users: SpiderOak [spideroak.com]. Its interface is ... more than a little bit convoluted. But it's got all the same security and encryption that I like about Tresorit, plus file versioning and a web interface.
Chappelle said it nicely (Score:2)
Political golden parachutes (Score:2)
Are they not grand? Where do i sign up?
Oh god, not another. (Score:2)
BRB, deleting everything from my dropbox and discontinuing service.
Re:Wiretapping? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Revolving door of business and government. Having her on board increases the probability that if the Republicans gain the Senate this year, or the Presidency in 2016, the government will "encourage" its subcontractors to use Dropbox, or adopt Dropbox itself. Even if they don't, Republican-sympathetic nation states (vs. Democratically-sympathetic na
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If he'd wanted to look stupid he'd have assumed that having someone associated with Bush II on the board was a necessary and sufficient condition for being able to snoop on people.
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Uh, her endorsement of torture. How about that, I won't do business with or respect anyone who supports torture.
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A conservative is incapable of understanding what racism means. Seriously. Ask them to define it and they get a convoluted bundle of CRAP.
Only a conservative would fail to understand concerns about someone who pushed the Patriot Act to the hilt as NSA adviser is 'racist.'
It's most liberals that don't know what racism is. They sceam "racism" if someone mentions islamic terrorists. They think it's great to hire someone just because they're a minority even if they're under qualified and ignore white males when they are qualified. They don't see Affirmative Action as inherently racist, even though it's based totally on race. And they certainly love to say and do racist things about black and latino/hispanic conservatives, but throw a complete fit if a conservative says anyt
Re:Wiretapping? (Score:5, Funny)
White male tears are my favorite beverage. :)
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Racism is not merely having pride in your race, even if you're white.
Yeah, that's not racist, just stupid. Why should you have pride in something that's not an accomplishment (except for the late Michael, I guess)? And, if you don't believe your skin tone to be superior in any way, how would pride even enter the equation? I take my initial comment back: having pride on your race, whatever it is, is both racist and stupid.
Re:Wiretapping? (Score:4, Insightful)
A conservative is incapable of understanding what racism means. Seriously. Ask them to define it and they get a convoluted bundle of CRAP.
Conservative: racism is discriminating based on race. For example, college admissions are racist if they use different requirements for different races.
Liberal: racism is the absence of penalizing whites. For example, college admissions aren't racist as long as they penalizes whites; if they penalize Asians more than whites, that's still not racism, since whites are still penalized in some way.
Both are simple: one seeks equality at the start of the process, the other equality at the end of the process, and both think the other hates equality, like almost everything else in the conservative/liberal divide.
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"Big-L Libertarians" are a bunch of crazies, from all over the left-right spectrum (thus the two axes model). But mainstream conservative though is very much aligned with "classic liberalism" now - empowering individual liberty - while the mainstream left seems to value doing things for the benefit of the collective, "collective rights" (fuck you Justice Breyer [scotusblog.com], and the like. So "small-L libertarians", sure.
But that's just another way of saying "equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome".
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I'd have an easier time believing in "equality of opportunity" again if economic power were more evenly distributed. Unless you're telling me a lower-class kid from the ghetto, a middle-class kid from the 'burbs, and an upper-class kid from whatever upper-class enclave you wish to name all have the same "equality of opportunity". From my vantage point, the first has opportunity of jail or long-term unemployment and welfare, the second lifelong debt and wage slavery (until about age 50, where they slide down
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The reason it was controversial is that she most likely knew about the NSA spying on all of us and told us nothing.
So? Obama and his administration did too.
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...reminds me of Steve Schmidt on Colbert saying only criminals want privacy
You can't take Stephen Colbert seriously - it's a comedy show where he portrays a republican caricature.
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