Google Launches Cloud Printer Service For Windows 135
An anonymous reader writes "Google today announced it is bringing its Cloud Print project to Windows. The company has launched both a driver and a service, both of which are available for download now from Google Tools. For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer. It integrates with the mobile versions of Gmail and Google Docs, and is also listed as a printer option in the Print Preview page of Chrome."
One of the things that annoys me about Android: having to print through the Cloud (tm) when I have an Internet Printing Protocol CUPS server on the same network as my phone connected to a printer ten feet from me. It wouldn't be so bad if the Google Cloud Print libraries weren't proprietary and did something like IPP proxying instead of using a similarly proprietary API.
Ads in the middle of your print jobs (Score:5, Funny)
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it won't be on the same page, but you might experience some lag due to NSA snooping
So will NSA get it then? (Score:1)
I've always wondered with Cloud Print, it is routed through Google servers?? So Google and NSA sees everything you print?
i.e. it's not just some sort of exchange of IP addresses and port numbers, it's an actual man-in-the-middle attack on printing? You print to the printer in Epson in your house and it actually routes the thing through Google/NSA data center?
Really??
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What is your problem, they already saw you download it?
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Google is a commercial subsidiary of the NSA. Or the NSA is a federal op by Google. I forget which.
Dr Eric Schmidt seems to work on behalf of both... You know what they say... Former spy? How can I tell if you have stopped lying to me?
Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Ads in the middle of your print jobs (Score:4, Informative)
Use Feedly? I switched with absolutely zero issues. In fact, my RSS app updated, said I should switch to Feedly, and all I had to do was click a button and log in with my Google account. It was the most painless migration I've ever experienced. I'm aware that's no longer available, but the service itself is good, though there have been a couple of short outages due to maintenance.
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cant monetize? are you joking? this is pure gold - they scan every print job for keywords and save that data for eternity.
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I intentionally stayed away from Feedly because (at the time at least) it was free. That doesn't scale terribly well, as we well know. I went over to FeedBin.me (using the Reeder app for iOS) and am very happy to pay then $20/year for a service I actually enjoy using.
Remember when ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Google supported existing open APIs instead of pulling a Microsoft and inventing their own for everything and dropping support for open APIs?
Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?
Re:Remember when ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?
Don't be dramatic. Google is not going to replace SMTP.
They're just going to require your email recipients first be added to one of your Google+ circles.
Re:Remember when ... (Score:5, Funny)
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We can only hope. We need a protocol that has encryption and sender verification built into it rather than all this crap layered on top of SMTP.
Maybe if Google made a new protocol people would actually adopt it.
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Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?
SHIT
The new Google toilet will analyze your bowel movement in the cloud. It will look for signs of disease, figure out what you last ate, and where and who you ate it with (using location based awareness). Then, using a synthesis of powerful AI data-mining and machine learning coupling your search history with a list of the contents of your emails and contacts, it will figure out whether you are a pedophile/terrorist/atheist or don't support government spying, and forward this intelligence to your girlfrien
Re:Remember when ... (Score:4, Interesting)
Google supported existing open APIs instead of pulling a Microsoft and inventing their own for everything and dropping support for open APIs?
Whats next to be replaced by some Google specific protocol for Google users? SMTP?
No they didn't Go read the fucking article and do some homework. They WROTE THEIR OWN API! They are also telling developers how to write drivers for existing printers to support receiving the print jobs, instead of actually using existing protocols like IPP. https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/receiveJobs [google.com] https://developers.google.com/cloud-print/docs/proxyinterfaces [google.com]
I wonder it Google has a long range plan to get all printers Google-Cloud-Printing enabled, and then have your device auto-selecting the closest printer (not necessarily your own) based on your geo location? I still shudder at the privacy issues.
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More likely: CUPS is owned and supported by Apple. Can't be seen to using an Apple maintained system for printing with android now can we...
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You're agreeing with the GP. A proper quote would be this:
Remember when Google supported existing open APIs instead of pulling a Microsoft and inventing their own for everything and dropping support for open APIs?
The GP just split the sentence between the subject and body, like many posts on slashdot do.
Apparently the moderators missed this too.
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I wonder it Google has a long range plan to get all printers Google-Cloud-Printing enabled, and then have your device auto-selecting the closest printer (not necessarily your own) based on your geo location? I still shudder at the privacy issues.
All prints can be picked up at the local NSA field office.
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You are arguing with someone who agrees with you.
Hint: The start of what they have to say is hidden in the subject of their reply.
IPP/CUPS printing (Score:3)
Would it be possible for alternative Android rom makers like CyanogenMod to replace or augment Google's cloud-printing service with printing directly to your IPP-capable printer or CUPS print server when connected to your home network?
It seems like it should be possible for someone to make a custom rom set that eliminates a lot of the Google spyware stuff and makes Android closer to just plain Linux-on-your-phone, while still being compatible with all the Android apps.
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Samsung TouchWiz phones will print without any "cloud" involvement, but only to certain models of Samsung printer, which unfortunately excludes by slightly older but still rock solid CLP550N.
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You can run Cyanogen, etc, with no Google interactions at all. You can do the same for most of the stock Android devices as well, just skip the Google sign-in.
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Well, their are a number of options for printing to a CUPS printer from Android. This one works just fine:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.blackspruce.lpd
Remote CUPS look OK
JfCupsPrint looks OK
I would say you have a few options to do this.
Would I rather see CUPS built in to make it "just work"? YES! I bet we would see a LOT of printers suddenly shipping with built-in CUPS servers if this were to happen. And I would love to see built in SANE support as well (insanescanner is out, but not
Re:IPP/CUPS printing (Score:5, Informative)
If you have a business grade laser or print server (CUPS,LPR,SAMBA, etc) , the app will talk directly to them without any off-site conversion. No print data leaves your local network unless you choose the GCP (Google Cloud Print) option. (This app is not NSA approved ;-)
It would be helpful... (Score:1)
... if Google announced the date this service will be discontinued so my business partners won't be crying like they have about Chrome Frame and Google Reader.
PrinterShare (Score:4, Informative)
Sure it would be lovely to have easy printing built into Android, but honestly I've found that PrinterShare [google.com] works just fine.
Confidential documents (Score:1)
I guess Google wants to have access now to the traditional hardcopy documents that you provide to your tax accountant and your banker.
The world is quickly separating into two stable groups: Google fans and Google haters. The latter started as the former, but got better.
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That would be the legal requirement. However there are many businesses (like all) that don't want to send all their printed documents to a man on the cloud.
Android local printing (Score:3)
"One of the things that annoys me about Android: having to print through the Cloud"
A networked Samsung printer can print on your local network from an Android device via Samsung's print app.
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I wonder if Google has realized that Samsung is now the greatest threat to Android and not Apple. I know in building mobile Apps we've changed our policy from testing on the Google Devices, additional handset QA extra to testing "Android" on Galaxy SIII, S4, and Galaxy Tab as that's now what most of our clients now identify as "Android".
Samsung is not a small company and I'm wondering how long it will be until they say, "So long and thanks for the OS. We're forking and replacing your services with our own
Yeah, for how long? (Score:1)
As much as the privacy concerns, I'd be worried that they'll shrug and suddenly decide to 'pull the plug' a year after I incorporate it into my routine. This is too low-level of a function to hand over to a bunch of easily distracted next-big-thing buccaneers.
Wow wow wow! (Score:1)
Wow, they reinvented spam and printer sharing?! What an innovative company!
Or you could own your content (Score:2)
And print it whenever you like. Woz was right - nobody owns anything anymore, you're just using a device (terminal?) to access content that another has agreed to let you access. Soon printing your own content will be seen as some kind of subversive act.
Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (Score:1)
For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer
So if I want to print my document to a printer in Bulgaria, no problem! That's just flat out daft. Cloud storage, processing and applications provide ubiquitous accessibility. Cloud printing provides ubiquitous inaccessibility.
Google 2.0 is a collection of some of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen in my life. Surely there's still somebody with common sense working for Google?!?
Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (Score:5, Informative)
For those who don't know, Google Cloud Print connects Cloud Print-aware applications (across the Web, desktop, and mobile) to any printer
So if I want to print my document to a printer in Bulgaria, no problem! That's just flat out daft. Cloud storage, processing and applications provide ubiquitous accessibility. Cloud printing provides ubiquitous inaccessibility.
Actually, I find cloud print to be very convenient. I print to my home printer while I'm at work and printers at work (my office and remote offices) from home, I have printed to my mom's printer and my father-in-law's printer from another state (easier than sending them a document and helping them print it). It's also zero setup when I get a new computer... as soon as I'm logged into Chrome I can print and it just works. No fiddling with drivers because that was already done once.
Surely there's still somebody with common sense working for Google?!?
Bah. Common sense is usually neither common nor very sensible. But what do I know? I work for Google :P
Re:Google is becoming synonymous with idiotic (Score:4, Funny)
But what do I know? I work for Google :P
Well blow me down with a feather! Someone working for Google who thinks Google's ideas are good.
Who would have seen that coming?
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I do find cloud print to be really convenient
I'm happy for you. Have you thought of starting a club?
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You mean a Hangout+ surely ;-)
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I do find cloud print to be really convenient
I'm happy for you. Have you thought of starting a club?
I'm glad you're entertained.
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The guy's brainwashed. Giving himself up completely to the company. Of course he's going to say nice things about their ideas/products. If he didn't like them, he wouldn't have posted as it would have been career suicide (if he could be identified of course).
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The guy's brainwashed. Giving himself up completely to the company. Of course he's going to say nice things about their ideas/products. If he didn't like them, he wouldn't have posted as it would have been career suicide (if he could be identified of course).
Bah, I have no problem being critical of Google products that I dislike, and there would be no repercussions whatsoever. Google isn't that kind of company, there's no blowback for criticizing -- in fact good criticism is more likely to garner kudos. And identifying me is trivial.
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Actually, I find cloud print to be very convenient. I print to my home printer while I'm at work and printers at work (my office and remote offices) from home, I have printed to my mom's printer and my father-in-law's printer from another state (easier than sending them a document and helping them print it). It's also zero setup when I get a new computer... as soon as I'm logged into Chrome I can print and it just works. No fiddling with drivers because that was already done once.
So how long before you start getting spam sent to your printer? Or we discover printer firmware has bugs and sending it "special" print jobs gives an attacker a foothold into your local network?
Really surprised (Score:3)
As someone who's been trying to use Cloud Print since it launched, I had assumed that the project was abandoned long ago. It has always been extremely flakey, it never "just works", etc. When it works, it's great. When it doesn't, you are left staring at a screen identical to when it does, with no diagnostics, and no sign of potential progress.
There are also some rather insane missing features, like the inability to rename printers (eg: if two of your friends have an HP DeskJet 1050a, and they both left it with the default name, have fun trying to decide which one to print on. Or if they both renamed their printers, but gave them sensible names like "HP (Upstairs)")
CloudPrint was a nice idea which Google has given zero attention. I do not expect things to suddenly work now that Windows is in the mix.
First always on wifi, now force fed cloud printing (Score:2)
Is Google trying to get out of their way just to acquire every last bit of information for NSA masters?
I cant deny information to an app - its an app that decides if it will run on my phone depending on what Im willing to give it. Dont want to share my contact list? wont play half the games.
Then Google disables WiFi button because 'gotta have this location data no mater what!'
"Let Google's location service and other apps scan for networks, even when Wi-Fi is off"
And now they want copy of everything I print?
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Funny, that was about the first thing I thought too.
Wrt your other complaints I could, of course, observe that other platforms offer a much finer granulation of access control, even AFTER installation, but we still have to acknowledge that being asked is better than not being asked at all, as was the case before..
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Are you saying they have done this or projecting they will?
I have two Android devices running pretty current versions, and I have a button to disable wifi.
In fact, I routinely turn off wifi on both devices to prevent ads and other network traffic when I don't want it. Neither has access to cellular data.
My test for a new application is airplane mode ... if it can't operate in airplane mode, it gets immediately deleted.
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Are you saying they have done this or projecting they will?
I have two Android devices running pretty current versions, and I have a button to disable wifi.
this button will stop working in 4.3, it will still be there, but it wont turn off wifi :) it will be there to make you feel good
Android's achiles heel (Score:2)
At least it works! (Score:2)
The Android software works like a charm (except for the occasional forgetting that pages that require logging in won't be logged in -- your receipts, for instance, aren't so simple to print).
On the other hand, HP's software, which only operated while I am on the WiFi, never worked to print a web page (I could print photos). I'd get a blank page, or worse, a black page.
Would stick with Chrome ... (Score:2)
I set this up the other week for the mother in law, and me, I'd stick with cloud printing through Chrome the way I set it up for her.
Why? Because I can sign out of Chrome until I need it again.
Installing this as a driver into Windows means I've now put Google into the operating system -- and increasingly I believe they will take advantage of that and record and send data when I'm not directly using it.
So, I will pass on installing a Google cloud-print driver, because I prefer the option of being able to tu
Enterprise? (Score:2)
Perhaps I've missed an obvious step but after loading the Cloud Print for Windows I cannot seem to find a way to connect my work PC to my homes Cloud Print printer. As with many that work from home, I log into the company network via VPN. While on Chrome I can easily print to it but have not found a way to print to it using any Office app as it doesn't load drivers for a "Clou
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So they finally formalized... (Score:2)
...this project?
http://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/build-instructions-windows [chromium.org]
Yea, we have this up already, but nice to see an actually-released installer.
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This is not new (Score:2)
I've had this setup on my Windows machine for a long time now. It's been a feature in Chrome for a very long time.
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:4, Insightful)
You're 1 of 2 people who can get CUPS a) setup and b) working well enough to not just spew ink with a real printer.
Says the person who apparently hasn't used Linux since 1993.
Back on topic, presumably Google won't support CUPS, because the NSA wants a copy of everything we print as well as everything we email.
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which the NSA can get by taping Google's ISP without Google's consent....Try paying attention.
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which the NSA can get by taping Google's ISP without Google's consent....Try paying attention.
How exactly are they going to tap my printing if it goes over my local LAN to a CUPS printer?
Try paying attention to the discusion.
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Google and/or Microsoft will put code in the driver to divert a copy to the NSA.
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WTF are you talking about? Total WOOSH, I was pointing out that Google has not been complicit in any of the NSA spying because they have captured the traffic at their ISP.
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CUPS didn't even exist in 1993! It was lpd back then. I don't remember when CUPS first popped up in RedHat or whatever i was using at the time, but it was as long time after 1993.
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:5, Informative)
Every Mac user on the planet who prints ... does it through CUPs.
I.E. there are more CUPS users than Linux users.
Want to try again?
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Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.
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So why couldn't Google do that?
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:5, Informative)
Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.
Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?
Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]
You'll find local and network printer search and configuration, default paper and printer settings, print queues, pretty much everything you need, all in a nice pretty gui.
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Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.
Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?
Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]
Are you serious? How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631? I use Linux eight hours a day at work, and for programming I wouldn't use anything else, but even I use a mac when I need things to work. A web server running on a port I would never find is not a reasonable place for a UI most users need to discover.
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Are you serious? How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631?
IPP has been a IETF standard for over 13 years. [wikipedia.org]
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:4, Interesting)
I think most newbies just use the hand dandy printer wizard. I set up Ultimate Linux for one guy and he later bought a printer. He called me about what to do with the cd that came with it and I told him to pull the pdf off of it and then throw it away. I explained to look for the picture of the printer on the settings menu and about 2 minutes later he was happily printing away. Even I don't use cups page anymore. I will say that if you own a canon printer it prints about 3 times faster on a mac than on linux. I love the printer but I'm starting to hate canon. Next printer will be from HP. Canon can suck my dick.
Web Interface is Disabled
The web interface is currently disabled. Run "cupsctl WebInterface=yes" to enable it.
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HP is mostly ok, but I cannot get borderless prints with my Hp under Linux, Virtualbox and XP no problem at all.
I guess i'm asking too much for lab quality prints from an old inkjet.
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:5, Insightful)
How on earth would a normal person figure out that printing is on port 631?
One of two ways:
Seriously, your complaint makes as much sense as asking 'How on earth would a normal person figure out that you browse the web by running iexplore.exe?'
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You know that would be a good idea to put a link to localhost:631 (or whatever printer configuration utility there is) on the desktop, Fedora doesn't do it though. On XFCE printer administration is "hidden" in Applications Menu>Administration>Print Settings.
IIRC in Gnome2 it was Gnome Menu>System>Printer Settings.
Who would ever think to look there.
Of course in many modern Linux distro's you don't have to actually set up your printer because it's done automagically when you plug it in. In my ca
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I meant that "Who would ever think to look there" sarcastically since those are easy to find. I always get messed up because vbulletin uses braces and Slashdot uses greater-than/less-than so my "sarcasm" tags disappeared.
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Most "normal people" (i.e. Linux and OSX users) use a GUI built into the OS which does all of the nice driver location, installation and configuration. I rarely use 631 (in fact, just checked my Mac and was surprised to find 631 is disabled by default... never used it).
CUPS works really well on Linux and Mac. (Except for many Canon printers since Canon is just a terrible company... don't buy Canon printers).
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Most Linux users access their printers from either a notification area icon or something like:
Application Menu>Administration>Print Settings
or even:
system-config-printer
in a terminal.
Gives you a nice GUI....even the cups page on port 631 is all GUI based. Heck, even on the Playstation 2 Linux kit you didn't need to edit printer configurations manually, you brought up the old style redhat printtool and that was on a Red Hat 6.1 based distro.
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"Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]"
In the main, that works. However, it should be noted that support for CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN varies from distribution to distribution, and even from version to version.
What I find (seriously) annoying is that if CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN is enabled, it's always defaulted to localhost only. That may be fine for a desktop... but in case no one ever told the CUPS folks (and the folks creating server linux distros), sometimes linux is used on servers.
To that end, here is my own cheat-sheet on getting CUPS-HTTP-ADMIN on the LA
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We default to localhost for security reasons - most systems are clients/not sharing printers, so why expose your system to the world/office?
Run "cupsctl --remote-admin --remote-any --share-printers WebInterface=Yes" after you install to enable remote access, share printers, and enable the web interface. Add "DefaultEncryption=Never" if you don't want to use SSL/TLS (although personally I don't recommend that - encryption comes "for free" these days...)
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This works on Macs too. The Mac power user I know always sets up printers on Macs with the web interface.
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Which you then wire into samba, which you then connect to with a Windows 8 box, which half the time just doesn't print anything. And then, when it doesn't, are there any clear error messages in the cups log? in the samba log? No. When a job starts but does not complete, it stands to reason that I don't want either no error message or a thousand unit debug messages, but something tracing the path of a failure up the call stack from where it's first found. It is annoying when developers cater only for 1) them
Re:Congrats, Unknown Lamer... (Score:4, Informative)
Only because Apple made it work properly and added a GUI instead of text files that bomb with a misplaced comma or tab.
Wow - you really haven't used linux in the last decade or so, have you?
Find a computer with an install of any of the major linux distributions, fire up a web browser, and point it to http://localhost:631/ [localhost]
You exaggerate the difficulties of setting up a printer using CUPS and a modern Linux distribution. ;-)
I just did a little experiment. I'm sitting in a holiday house borrowed from friends, using my trusty Lenovo laptop running Debian Squeeze. Next to me on the bench is a printer - I've never used it before and it's been covered with a cloth up until the start of the experiment.
I removed the cloth, powered up the printer, and then plugged the USB lead into my laptop. About 10 seconds later a dialogue box appeared on my desktop saying, "A new printer has come into existence. Do you want to use this driver?". I answered yes. It then said, "Do you want to print a test page?" Again I said yes, and shortly afterwards there appeared a perfectly formatted colour test page.
I'm not sure it can be made much easier than this.
John
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You exaggerate the difficulties of setting up a printer using CUPS and a modern Linux distribution. ;-)
I removed the cloth, powered up the printer, and then plugged the USB lead into my laptop. About 10 seconds later a dialogue box appeared on my desktop saying, "A new printer has come into existence. Do you want to use this driver?". I answered yes. It then said, "Do you want to print a test page?" Again I said yes, and shortly afterwards there appeared a perfectly formatted colour test page.
I'm not sure it can be made much easier than this.
John
Ok - even I didn't know things had progressed that far! In my defence, the only USB-only printer I own is plugged into my router so that it can pretend to be a network printer. It's probably been years since I last configured a USB printer on a linux desktop distro :-)
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As the parent said: Apple created an easy to use GUI and made it work. He didn't say just the Printer Dialog in OSX. Remember the world of printing in Linux prior to Apple taking over CUPS? I do. As much as it's cool to rip apple on /. these days, the next time you can easily attach and use a printer in *iux remember to thank the folks at Apple.
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Additionally, Apple's use of Bonjour (like many things Apple a combination of existing protocols with a little polish) lets local network printers appear as print targets with automatic configuration and driver downloads if needed. That's something that's been promised by many systems, including Windows and Linux, but again with OSX it actually just works - almost boringly well.
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You'll find local and network printer search and configuration, default paper and printer settings, print queues, pretty much everything you need, all in a nice pretty gui.
Yup, and there is a 10% chance that your printer will even be in the list, or work. My last printer was a nightmare to get working with CUPS, and at some point a foomatic upgrade broke it somewhat (disabled color or something).
My current printer is a postscript printer and I'll never go back - works out-of-the-box with the vendor-provided ppd with almost zero effort to set up. However, this is still not the norm for linux printing, unless your distro is doing a LOT of integration work.
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You realize there is a embedded web GUI in CUPS, and has been for quite some time? (I was using it 6 years ago, and it wasn't 'new' then). Try checking http://localhost:631/ [localhost] - that is the URL if you have it enabled.
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One reason its so nice that Apple still uses the same boring, simple text files that everyone else in the *NIX world does - but has also created little daemons and GUIs to make modifying them simple for non-expert users. And even if you're an expert computer programmer, there's no reason for you to also become skilled in administering CUPS and Postfix just to print a memo and send email.
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Partially agreed. Printing, including installation, should go like this on a ETIAF *NIX system:
...echo "someotherconfig = someothervalue" > "/var/spool/cups/My Document.ext.conf" ...
Easy, obvious once the general pattern is known...
That's your definition of easy? And obvious? FWIW, the same approach on the OSX variant of UNIX is:
1) Plug the printer into the computer or indeed anywhere on the local network
2) Choose the printer from the list of "Nearby printers" when you go to print something
3) Very occasionally wait a few seconds while your computer communes with the internet on your behalf and installs the appropriate drivers
4) Retrieve your printout from the printer
Why make it harder than it has to be?
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It gets better: Every computer user on the planet who prints through CUPS... is using Apple-owned software [slashdot.org].
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So? Its OSS, not exactly possible to lock you in.
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