Will Robots Take Over the Data Center? 141
1sockchuck writes "Robotics are beginning to be integrated into data center management, creating the potential for a fully automated, robot-driven data center. What might a robot-controlled 'lights-out' data center look like? The racks will be taller, as robotics systems can reach higher to manage servers. Robotic equipment would be mounted on rails that allow them to find and move hardware. Early examples of this are seen in tape libraries, but the concepts could be applied to other data center equipment. Amazon and Google are said to be among those looking at ways to create a fully automated data center. AOL says it has already built an unmanned data center. Data Center Knowledge looks at the challenges and opportunities in robot-controlled data centers, including how staff roles would evolve."
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the matrix is everywhere
remote hands on (Score:3)
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Data center temperatures are not for humans. They are selected for a lot of reasons and that is not generally one of them. A big one is what the vendor is willing to support. Another major concern is how long you can last with a major cooling failure. I don't mean a single chiller fails, I mean someone screws up and hoses a bunch of them at once.
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We had someone accidentally turn off the AC in our datacenter for a day. (Please! Don't ask how this could ever be allowed to happen!!) Six months later, we had one hard drive after another needing replacement. I wouldn't have thought anything of it, except that the veteran admin I was working with predicted at the time of the cooling outage that it would happen, and then reminded us all of it when the drives started dying.
The cooling system is there because temp rated components are EXPENSIVE!!
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Get some temperature probes and have nagios monitor them. They are pretty cheap and would have alerted you before damage was done.
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Dude, we're talking about one of the larger "state-of-the-art" datacenters in the WORLD. No way they're going to allow a little bit of open source automation in there that could prevent a minimum numb-nut from turning off the AC. How would that look?
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...so, umm, what if the robot breaks?
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Having a maintenance person come out is cheaper then a full time data server employee.
Eventual a robot will fix it.
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Send out the robot repair robot.
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We'll replace it with a backup robot and send this one to the front of the line at the robot service center where it will be repaired (by robots).
Just don't ask what happens when the failure rate exceeds the repair rate.
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Rapture happens.
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a order is sent to the robot manufacturers for a new robot/repair-bot where, the order processed billing you automatically and they then build it in a automated robotic factory send it to you by google driver-less delivery vehicle to your data or robot-repair center receptively.
its robotic turtles all the way down
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I wouldn't trust a robot to do that job. On one occasion I have had to send a person to repair a drive, that was broken by a robot. A tape robot had literally ripped the front off a tape drive. Not only did that leave us with a broken drive, the piece was now stuck in the robots hand, and it wasn't able to get it out of its hand. So the robot gave up and drove up to the service area, wa
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As long as we can still manage servers while sitting at our desks, I say go for it.
If they can get the inter-rack space narrower than a human body, and populate the racks via robots
as well it might keep the FBI seizures to a minimum as a side benefit.
Maybe run a nitrogen atmosphere for fire suppression.
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CO2 would be heavier (thermal mass), suppress fire and corrosion, and best of all would be cheap.
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makes sense -- absence of oxygen means absence of oxidation :)
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CO2 would be heavier (thermal mass), suppress fire and corrosion, and best of all would be cheap.
Heavier gases usually transfer heat poorly. Light gases have a higher heat capacity per Kg [engineeringtoolbox.com], have much higher heat conductivity (because of faster molecular velocities), and transfer heat better. This is why helium is used in gas cooled nuclear reactors, while heavy gases such as krypton, xenon or sulfur hexafluoride are used in insulated windows.
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Sulfur Hexafluoride would work. It's heavy and thich and settles low, so it would stay put. It conducts heat well (citation needed) and insulates voltage much better than air. Unfortunately it's extremely expensive and I dunno about the ozone depletion/global warming potential.
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We're 3/4ths of the way there!!!
A vacuum would mean absolute NO cooling. The denser the gas, the more heat it could haul away, so something like argon would probably be best.
However, you could do much better
Re: remote hands on (Score:3)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
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As long as I can sit at my desk eating Doritos(tm), not engage in any sort of physical activity, and never have to go outside into the bright sunlight, then I say go for it!
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Wait... (Score:1)
AOL still exists?!?
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You'd be amazed by how many people still use AOL for their primary email account. They may be all they use it for but it ranks up there with yahoo, gmail, and hotmail.
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Robots are smart. They want you to continue to believe they want take over until it's too late. also known as the year 2019.
"do their dirty work while they leisurely play" (Score:2)
"The real problems will start when robots get smart enough to make us do their dirty work while they leisurely play."
Our dogs have already trained me to do that over the years. :-)
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Man that guy must be working with a really old data center.
I mean he got disconnected, off a an old Hayes modem, without CRC.
I am surprised he could connect and post on slashdot at 2400bps.
AOL? How appropriate. (Score:5, Funny)
A data center with no operators for a service with no users.
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A data center with no operators for a service with no users.
They have users. Robot users. Bot Got Mail!
What are the potential savings? (Score:2)
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The datacenter can have a lot taller rooms - less pesky ceilings to install.
Presumably the robots can move faster than a human, so less time walking around locating the correct rack/server. I imagine they wouldn't be able to solve all problems, but they might be able to bring an entire server to a place where a human could be repairing it (much like robotic inventory/library systems do).
It's possible there could be s
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if people are restricted from entering how if the robot going to get replacement components and new servers to swap out? how will the robot be repaired someone will always be allowed in and they will be the weak spot all we can do is limit the number of people allowed in.
To: systems/network administrators (Score:2)
From: The Developers
Subject: Sorry
Body: We can replace you with a well-written shell script. Goodbye!
Re:To: systems/network administrators (Score:5, Funny)
From: The Developers Subject: Sorry Body: We can replace you with a well-written shell script. Goodbye!
From:The Sysadmin
To: The Developers
Subject: Re: Sorry
Your request for root access to run the shell script has been denied per our security policy.
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To: The Systems Administrator
From: The Developers
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry
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I knew I should have paid attention in class better. If I was actually a Sysadmin, a simple problem like root privileges would not stop me. Was it 'sudo init 6' that boots into single user mode? Or do I need to hold down CTRL-SHIFT-ALT-ENTER-BACKSPACE during boot?
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until the developer ask the janitor for the key to the server room. Turn off the computer remove the battery short the capacitor with a paper-clip replaces battery, BIOS now unlocked is booted to from external media script is added to init.d reboot and leave. may be more difficult if drive is encrypted untill developer Google how to spell "klaatu baraba nikto gort" or thinks to type "correcthoursebatterystaple".
Use the bloody jumper (Score:2)
There is a bloody jumper to reset the BIOS password.
Yes, even in this digital age, sometimes a person has to connect two pieces of metal with another piece of metal. Sure a paperclip would suffice, but we are civilized creatures.
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From: The Developers
Subject: Sorry
Body: We can replace you with a well-written shell script. Goodbye!
From: Robotic Monitoring system
To: The Developers
Subject: Robot down
Body: Robot GHGFDX has crashed due to memory exception in sector 45897439876. Shell script trace follows. Please contact the Robot Support Helpdesk at 5555 for service. Select 1 for Administration, 2 for Network support......
job security: (Score:3)
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Yeah, that's a stopper. cause no one could put a rail on stairs robots could attach to.
It's the 21st century, stairs don't even stop Daleks anymore.
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Stairs don't even stop elderly people anymore!!!
http://www.ameriglide.com/ [ameriglide.com]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsCa_SdJuQc [youtube.com]
Let's hope the company makes things robots buy (Score:1)
since people won't have jobs and won't be able to, you know, buy things.
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Isn't Henry Ford still dead? Or is he a zombie now?
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Ford didn't make a device that made buggy whips better and faster without needing any people.
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Did you cry to Henry Ford about how all the buggy whip manufacturers would go out of business?
Considering how adamant Ford was about hiring shit-tons of people and paying them excellent wages as a method of ensuring his company enduring profits, I don't think he's the example you would want to use in this debate.
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'Jobs' will become obsolete.
While thinking about it and preparing for that eventuality would be smart, it would get labeled as 'Socialist' by people and pundits who have no fucking clue what that means.
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But the transition from an economy entirely built around the labor market could be a big problem. If done well, it gives us a utopia where no-one need want for anything they desire. If done poorly, it ends in a world where a fraction of a percent of the world population control almost all the resources and the rest live in abject poverty.
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But the transition from an economy entirely built around the labor market could be a big problem. If done well, it gives us a utopia where no-one need want for anything they desire. If done poorly, it ends in a world where a fraction of a percent of the world population control almost all the resources and the rest live in abject poverty.
... and using human history as a baseline, it's pretty much a given that it will be done poorly.
Good luck getting the collectivists to admit that.
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So you prefer that the collectivists give up so we can slide into abject poverty faster? I guess you assume you'll somehow end up being in the 0.01%.
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"Jobs" will never be obsolete. What an odd idea - people have a deep need to work for what they have, or they don't value what they have and act quite destructively.
Low skill jobs will become obsolete. Repetitive mindless tasks, which for a long time were the source of almost all employment, will eventually be the source of almost no employment. And that's a good thing! There will still be plenty of jobs providing services for one another, which we'll perform to get the money to pay for services (and a
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Ideally, necessities and basics that constitute a comfortable existence would come for free. Jobs would devolve into hobbies where people trade custom hand made crafts or templates for new mas manufactured products.
People do not value 'jobs' at all in the sense of something you must do every day however odious or you get to live in a dumpster.
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I for one vote for cyborg data center staff...
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Maybe we will see a "unit" in data centers which are self-contained "pods", which both Oracle and Microsoft have been mentioning, where one has it hauled in, adds power and networking, and it essentially is completely autonomous. This wouldn't work with the racks that have various different appliances, but for the common SAN/racks/enclosures/switches/routers which are the mainstay of the data center, having a "data center in a box" which can automatically spit out cards, blades, drives, or other parts migh
I've seen this before. (Score:2)
"Robotic equipment would be mounted on rails that allow them to find and move hardware."
The IT tech was upset to learn the cake was a lie.
The answer, as alwans (Score:2)
Will robots take over [x]? Yes, eventually.
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Will robots take over [x]? Yes, eventually.
You beat me to it. Yes, in several decades/centuries/millennia, our datacentres will be run by Robots (or the D'Jingiil, an alien race well known for getting a kick out of running datacentres and playing cards in the night shift)
maintenance of Chillers, UPS, Generators, ATS, ect (Score:2)
maintenance of Chillers, UPS, Generators, ATS, ect. Have that be hands off with no on site can be bad and what if there is a fire that goes some small to big as no one is there and it takes time to trip a sensor.
not unless machining gets more exact (Score:1)
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rubbish, robot can fit a server the same way a human does. it's called tolerances, and a system where tenths of an inch of error cause self-correction of a robots actions has been done for decades.
A robot can be programmed to deal with servers of varying dimensions. As for backplane, ever heard of blade chassis?
don't need to use any square nut fastener system, there are dozens of superior alternatives including mounting systems with NO fasteners.
I don't get it (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been in plenty of datacenters, and I don't see where you're getting any benefit with radical redesigns. They aren't exactly designed for human comfort in the first place...
Lighting? Sure, but motion sensors mean it's only on when someone is in that area. And you'll still need lights, because humans will surely still be going in there to fix the malfunctioning robots, and hiring old coal miners seems excessive.
Temperature? No, the servers dictate the temperature the datacenter is kept at, while human comfort is completely secondary. The 15C degree air coming out of the floor vents below my KVM doesn't make for a comfortable experience, but nobody cares. Humans in the datacenter are the foreigners, who must adapt themselves, not the other way around. If Google could run their datacenters at 75C degrees, they WOULD do that now, and the humans would be sent in with ice packs strapped to their bodies.
Height? If a couple more feet of rack height were useful and cheap, I would be happy enough to keep a bit of scaffolding in my datacenter cages. As for the ridiculous heights predicted, it's not going to happen. Racks can't scale-up that easily (they'd need huge thick vertical supports to handle the weight)... and at some point, it's pretty easy to just install another "floor" for those pesky humans to walk on, install air ducts in, and also avoid the need for super-robust racks... and I can't even imagine that crazy air currents that would be happening with 100' of vertical servers pumping out crazy amounts of heat, not to mention problems like CLOUDS forming and potentially raining, INSIDE the building.
In general, the comparison needs to be made to warehouses... If Amazon/Walmart/etc. had fully-automated warehouses, I'd say automated datacenters would be just around the corner. But they don't... Humans are still very much in the loop, driving around on electrified forklifts or pallet jacks, and doing what the computer tells them to, and when. And if any business could benefit from vertical expansion, quicker response times, and less humans, it's warehousing, but it just doesn't work there, yet. That will be a lot closer to the model for future datacenters, not this pie-in-the-sky nonsense.
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sounds like some thing for the MythBusters to test (Score:2)
sounds like some thing for the MythBusters to test.
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CONFIRMED:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_Assembly_Building [wikipedia.org]
Who works at a data center? (Score:2)
I mean, you look at Apple's massive data centers and there are like 4 cars in the parking lot.
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[Who works at a data center?]
I mean, you look at Apple's massive data centers and there are like 4 cars in the parking lot.
They never leave... That's why they call them INturns.
who cleans up when the robots drop stuff (Score:2)
you've never seen a soda can or three at the bottom of the panel-blinking pop machine at a park or event? or videotapes all over the floor as a robot off alignment tries to set the spots for a news broadcast into the tape decks?
just wait until those are two or four terabyte drives in a bound volume at a cloud host.
because groove belts do stretch and break, and it's gonna happen as soon as everybody is out of Dodge and the guy who signed the contract has left the company for the next fat check at a new oppo
One word: cables (Score:2)
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Doesn't seem any more difficult than picking a tape from a rack. You can get in the ballpark by dead reckoning, but to actually grab a tape/cable/whatever you need a camera, appropriately-shaped fingers, and some clever control logic. It's a fun engineering problem to solve, but one that has been solved many times.
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I'm picturing the harness piece fitting in as simple as take server out of shipping package (already needed) attach barcodes (needed in most cases already) and plug ethernet, power, etc. from back of box to some standard slot-in style connector that matches a connector in the
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Considered for SAGE (Score:2)
Robotic maintenance was considered for SAGE in the 1950s. Robots were never built for that, but the SAGE racks were designed with easy-to-handle plug-in rack modules with all connections on the back.
(Vacuum tube failure wasn't a major operational problem with vacuum tube computers. For the UNIVAC I, normal procedure was to power up the machine and set it to 10% overvoltage mode for 10 minutes. This would burn out any tubes near failure. Those were replaced, and the machine would then run for the rest of
Just need 1 man, and a dog. (Score:4, Funny)
The datacentre of the future will be run by just one man, and a dog.
The man is there to feed the dog.
The dog is there to bite the man if he touches anything.
error rates (Score:2)
It's not about creature comforts, it's about error rates
Humans are imperfect, they pull the wrong drive out of the wrong server, they forget to power down before pulling, they forget to power back up afterward, they forget to set the BIOS correctly, etc.
The room for improvement is in fewer errors.
Just Great! (Score:2)
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you surrender them to the robots; I for one welcome our new black t-shirt wearing robotic datacenter overlords
Colossus (Score:1)
This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die.
no, there are 2 things i can think of... (Score:2)
2. These days it's much cheaper to hire 10 jockey's than build even 1 piece of automated equipment, much less a robot.
3. Throw away servers, like throw away desktops, only with more economic incentive.
ok that's three.
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Well, they'll be installing tracks to service things, and fortunately we already standardized on 4' 8.5" between rails.
I bet that's why Google builds datacenters out of shipping containers -- To take advantage of Standard Gauge.
If you want to improve efficiency in the dc (Score:2)
You can always see where the dead weight in a company is. People that aren't doing anything play with email. Most moderately tasked people fall back to spreadsheets. If your really high up the chain you get power point
Make a Robot Friendly Chassis (Score:1)
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