Did B&N Pass On the 6.8" E-ink Screen That Kobo Snapped Up? 132
Nate the greatest writes "Rumor has it that the new high resolution E-ink screen on the Kobo Aura HD was originally intended for another ereader maker. Inside sources have told me that B&N had first claim on the initial production run of 300,000 6.8' screens, only B&N decided to pass. If this rumor is true then this was the screen that B&N would have used on their new ereader this year. Can you imagine what a Nook Glow HD would have been like? I think it would be the next best thing to a 7" Android tablet with an E-ink screen. It's a shame we might never see it." While flying cars are still on my wishlist, daylight readable screens for more portable devices are even higher up the list.
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So... Linux Advocates, is addressing a letter to... Themselves? Does Mrs Schmitz know about this?
While true that "money doesn't grow on trees", personally I think your solution is part of the problem. The answer is not to donate more money -- That doesn't solve the money problem, it just moves the money around. The answer is to breed currency bearing trees.
Am I missing something (Score:3)
Re:Am I missing something (Score:4, Funny)
It can be read in total darkness, if you use a flashlight.
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The thing that blew my mind about my paperwhite is that the light settings say the light is for bright rooms and that you turn down the backlight to use it in the dark.
that's pretty much true for any backlighted screen. in case of paperwhite, it's a shortcoming compared to normal eink.
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no, Tim is just retarded
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It's perfectly readable in daylight but the contrast is still lower than paper, so in dimmer locations reading can be difficult. They should stop worrying about pixel count and crank up the contrast. I still love it and it's much easier than extended reading from an LCD though.
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The article would apply to the Kindle in the same way it applies to the Nook. What they are saying is that an HD e-ink screen would be truly awesome.
6.8' (Score:4, Funny)
Obvious typ-o, but I feel compelled to make stupid jokes.
"300,000 6.8' screens"
My 60" TV isn't even 6'.
On a 6.8' eReader, you'd only have to turn the page once every hour or so depending on how fast you read.
Doesn't that come to over 386 miles of screen?
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336.75 miles if they are end to end. If you placed them in a diagonal you could get over 386.36 miles.
They would occupy 0.21 square miles.
6.8' screen? (Score:4, Funny)
I fear you have made the Stonehenge mistake, only in reverse.
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Yeah, no wonder B&N refused to pay for them.
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Is Kobo paying Dice for these stories? (Score:1)
Is the Pope Catholic?
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If they did, they fucked up by not including a link to their own site at the mention of the product name: "the new high resolution E-ink screen on the Kobo Aura HD". (Even TFA links only to its own in-house review of the Aura, not to Kobo's site.)
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If it smells like a fish, and tastes like a fish... Why else would a eink reader, that no one has heard about, get so many stories?
It sounds like a good marketing strategy IMO. The only problem is that it would almost be impossible for anyone to unseat Amazon's Kindle from the #1 spot because Amazon has apps for not only Kindle, but the iOS and Android platforms.
I myself would never buy an Amazon eBook because you don't really own it, as they showed when they deleted everyone's 1984 copy. Good luck dele
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Or that you're an American.
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If you had ever bothered to look for alternatives to I'm-A-Zombie and Mr. Burns, you'd have heard about them quite a long time ago.
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You and pretty much everybody else. It's a key indication that these stories are bought and paid for.
No, it just means you (a) have been living in a barrel or (b) are probably not very much interested in reading e-books on a dedicated device, if at all.
I don't own a Kobo device (mine is a Sony PRS-T1, and I'm very happy with it) but if I were in the market right now, I would definitely be giving the Kobo Aura HD serious consideration, if only for the large display.
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My local Chapters doesn't sell bricks or mortar.
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It doesn't matter so much about the brick and mortar stores.
What does matter is that a large chunk of Kindle "features" are not available to Canadians, only to those living in the US.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why the Kubo (fully featured) is popular and the Kindle (crippled outside US) is not, at least in Canada.
Re:Kobo (Score:5, Informative)
Till last week, I had never heard of Kobo. Now there is a story everyday about Kobo.
They've been around for a few years, but since their main revenue driver seems to be their bookstore they don't get as much attention as the more flashy iTunes or Amazon. I've only bought one book from them because I don't like the idea that their content is not in a standard epub format (I don't buy the argument that standard epubs without DRM aren't a valid business model... O'Reilly uses them... JK Rowling's "Pottermore" store uses them...). They've had licensing arrangements to be the bookstore that is tied to some dirt-cheap ebook readers you've never heard of, but they first came to my attention when Target gave them the boot last year in favor of a closer relationship with Barnes and Noble.
Target was carrying two models of their e-ink e-readers (the WiFi [kobobooks.com] and the Touch [kobo.com]), and suddenly put them on clearance for 30% off, then 50% off. At that point I didn't have an e-ink e-reader so I figured I'd try it for 50% off.I can only read books on my iPad for so long before the weight and the backlit screen get to me. The "pearl" e-ink screen Kobo was using made all the difference. I was spending less time watching TV and more time reading books. Then they went down to 70% off as Target tried to clear the last units from their supply chain, and I spent an afternoon driving around to different locations buying them up to give to friends and co-workers as gifts. A friend of mine who is over 65 and an avid book reader (but definitely not a gadget guy... he still doesn't even own a cell phone) has been devouring books on the Kobo WiFi I gave him. His employees tell me he's sitting in his car reading it before work, and sitting in his office reading it while he eats lunch. A friend in her 20s who is a physical book "purist" has taken to the one I gave her in a similar fashion, despite the fact that she told me she'd never read e-books. I'm sure they'd get the same enjoyment out of a Kindle (until Amazon remotely deleted their books one day), but it was cheap enough and usable enough that it turned some pretty staunch anti-e-book people into devotees.
Beyond that, their software is open source [mobileread.com]. The devices run a stripped down Linux distro and there is a community dedicated to rooting and hacking the device... and as far as I can tell they're not fighting it. It was pretty simple to SSH into the device and play around in the shell. A little Googling turns up instructions on how to do it, and videos of people running Python games on the Kobos. This alone should make Kobos a more attractive choice for the Slashdot crowd.
But their offerings weren't really all that different from the Nook and Kindle until Kobo announced [kobo.com] earlier this week that it was selling the "limited edition" Kobo Aura [slashgear.com] with the high-resolution screen. At 256ppi, it's pretty close to the resolution of the current generation "retina screen" iPad, which is listed as 264ppi [wikipedia.org]. Plus the interface looks more usable than the Kobo I'm already spending a few hours a day reading. Totally worth it to me, but YMMV.
Re:Kobo (Score:5, Informative)
The stuff that gets sent to the reader is in a proprietary format, but if you go to their site you can get your book in epub format. Then you may have to run it through a DRM stripper to free it completely (with the right plugins installed, this happens automagically when importing it into Calibre)
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What will happen to purchased encrypted ebooks if Kobo close up shop?
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So, what do you think of the awful format? How is it better than zipped HTML+CSS+images (PNG or JPEG)+an index file?
Cheers.
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As the guy responsible for EPUB at Kobo, I can assure you that we use EPUB for all our books, and have done for quite some time now. The files inside the archive are encrypted or not based on the wishes of the publisher: Harry Potter books aren't encrypted, for example.
I was intrigued by this because every time I've looked at the Kobo store it just says " Download options: Adobe DRM EPUB ".
The Harry Potter books don't have that at all - it looks like I have to go off-site (i.e., away from the actual Kobo store) to Pottermore to buy them?
I've sent a couple of inquiries to the Kobo store about when they're going to have DRM free epub options directly but no response.
At the moment I seem to only be able to buy epubs from places like Baen - but happily able to put them on
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i just want to copy/paste the books folders on my pc direct to the kobo.
any explanation why you people are against folder support?
That is what I do with my Kobo Touch. I mostly use Calibre to manage it but have also copied epubs over with no problems. What device do you have?
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They are big in other countries. In France they are all over the place. Hell, I thought it was an European brand to be honest.
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They are big in other countries. In France they are all over the place. Hell, I thought it was an European brand to be honest.
It looks like they are based in Toronto Canada and strategic partnerships with Cheung Kong Holdings, W H Smith, Whitcoulls, and FNAC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobo_Inc [wikipedia.org].
My librarian friend had decided on Kobo as being the best of the bunch a few years back, largely for their good integration with the library lending system in use in Ontario (and in most of North America - "OverDrive" ) which uses predominantly ePub distribution (DRM via Adobe I think). Now I think many reader support the library system, b
6 foot screens! (Score:2, Interesting)
Well I can certainly understand by Barnes & Noble would have trouble seeing the marketability of a an e-reader one has to use a pickup truck to transport.
And since I doubt it was a color e-ink display, even as a small billboard it wouldn't be popular.
Re:6 foot screens! (Score:4, Interesting)
As a happy B&N Nook owner I can tell you I would gladly replace my trusty e-reader if they come out with an HD version. To be honest, the lack of font sharpness is the only fault I can find with the device when I compare it to books.
And I have lived in a couple of different countries in the past 4 years, so having my library around with me all the time is a godsend.
Death of e-ink... (Score:2)
The issue is not any weakness in e-ink technology - right now the superior technology to recreate pure reading experience. But sooner or later backlit LCD/LED/OLED screens will have some type of control / settings which will approximate an e-ink experience. When that happens there will not be any pressing reason to buy a pure book reader, but go for a tablet whic
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The problem is all of those technologies you listed rely on their own light source. You need something fundamentally different to read in bright ambient light. Something like E-Ink.
At 100% efficiency you'd need 445W/m^2 to be the same brightness as the sun (Sunlight/url). Or, you could just change the screen once, and not have to worry about it becoming washed out.
My prediction is that E-Ink will become higher resolution, cheaper, and faster. I think that most general purpose tablets will come with E-I
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"At 100% efficiency you'd need 445W/m^2 to be the same brightness as the sun (Sunlight/url)."
In what, early spring/late fall? Last we checked, solar insolation ran about 1,000W/m^2 assuming photon flux densities of 2,000 umol/m^2/s-1 yearly average.
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Re:Death of e-ink... (Score:4, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunlight#Intensity_in_the_Solar_System [wikipedia.org]
Maximum, 1400+ w/m^2
minimum, 1300.
Half of that is infrared, then you're looking at 650 w/m^2 MINIMUM, more than 50% extra on top of that which EmperorArthur said.
Guys, I work with light and solar irradiance/insolation all day long. You won't win this argument.
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Bust solar = astronomy which means order-of-magnitude is enough.
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Yeah, teach me to double check that my links work. From the intro to the article: "The total amount of energy received at ground level from the sun at the zenith is 1004 watts per square meter, which is composed of 527 watts of infrared radiation, 445 watts of visible light, and 32 watts of ultraviolet radiation."
Of course, we're both quoting Wikipedia, so you have to take all the numbers with a huge grain of salt.
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Guys, I work with light and solar irradiance/insolation all day long. You won't win this argument.
When you say "work with", I really hope that you're not getting paid very much. Or that you pay a bit closer attention to your work when it's for money. Or that a grownup is checking your figures for you before you hand in your homework.
The original poster, Emperor Arthur, gave you the correct numbers in his very first comment. Since then you've screwed up twice in an increasingly ineffective campaign to persuade us all that you're smarter than everyone else, instead of thinking about the problem or l
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"First you forgot to acknowledge that a backlight doesn't need to outshine the infrared component of the solar spectrum."
First, you forgot to acknowledge that any light source is emitting IR, and thus that factors into power usage and visible-light availability, thus using 445 w of light, even with our most efficient light sources, might only net you overall 110 w in the visible range.........
You also forget that most places that might use this are ABOVE SEA LEVEL. That means the solar irradiance will be HI
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You also forget that most places that might use this are ABOVE SEA LEVEL...My numbers are not off. They've been checked and re-checked with quantum meters, light/power meters, and in most places about 3,000-4,000 feet above sea level...
About a third of the human population lives less than 100 metres above sea level. Most live below 200 metres. (The median living altitude for humans on earth is given as 194 metres - 636 feet - in this 1998 paper [pnas.org]; if anything, it's likely to have shifted downward in the years since, as the majority of the world's rapidly-growing, largest cities are coastal.) In any event, you weren't quoting 4000-foot numbers; you were quoting figures for outer space. Have you even looked at what you wrote, or the sour
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In space, and on several high locations on the planet that have less atmosphere to cause interference, actually.
And even then, that's actually more like on Earth, because as soon as you get out of the atmosphere, you have other things, like UVC (which doesn't penetrate our water-laden atmosphere), to add into the equation, which gets us around 1.8kWh/m^2.
From that exact point, you go half the way towards the sun, you're suddenly dealing with about 3.6kWh/m^2
You might want to go back to school.
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My prediction is that E-Ink will become higher resolution, cheaper, and faster.
As a matter of perspective, I would suggest that even non-state-of-the-art devices such as my Sony PRS-T1 offer resolution that is actually better than the majority of printed novels, given that the texture of the (usually crappy) paper introduces inconsistencies in typeface outlines that are absent in the e-ink displays.
I'm not saying anything against paper publications here (although I was a late convert to ebooks) but since I have moved home (hopefully for the last time) I am rationalising what books I
Re:Death of e-ink... (Score:5, Interesting)
While my iPad3 has a much prettier display than my Paperwhite, the backlight at the lowest setting is still blazing bright on the iPad.
The iPad is waaay too big to be comfortable reading in bed and it's too heavy to hold up for an extended period of time.
I get tired of turning Do Not Disturb mode on and off but if I don't toggle it I get notified every damm time CNN thinks something noteworthy comes up or I get an email.
Even with all this I wouldn't have gotten a dedicated reader except for the power issue. If that iPad isn't plugged in when I go to bed I'll be in dire straits the next day. Even if tablet power improves tremendously, it'll have a tough time matching my Paperwhite's battery life of 2-3 weeks heavy reading with the backlight on.
If you're just looking at readers in the store a backlit screen looks superior in all ways. In practice where you really just care about reading the text of a book, well, YMMV.
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That's just bad design. At the lowest setting it should be off.
I have a similar annoyance with some headphones that have an inline volume control; it doesn't go low enough to mute the sound, so I have to take the player out of my pocket or take the earplugs out if I need to listen to traffic, announcement, people etc.
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That's just bad design. At the lowest setting it should be off.
Why on earth would you want the back light totally off? That's unusable in every situation. At that point, just turn it off.
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I don't know about that. I like the fact that you recharge an e-ink device every month or so and forget about it. With all the electronic devices nowadays, it is something I don't see any LCD replacing anytime soon. Plus call me picky, but I'm one of those people that can't use a backlit display for reading in extended periods of time.
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But sooner or later backlit LCD/LED/OLED screens will have some type of control / settings which will approximate an e-ink experience.
I'm not so sure it's that simple -- one of e-Ink's great strengths is the battery life, since the screen requires no power except for page turns. It's a one-trick pony, of course, as you by nature don't want a high-refresh rate and so most other applications except for reading books won't work. But the trick is so damn good, I think it'll stick around for a long time to come (or at least for as long as people still care about reading books). Apart from anything else, it's just so damn nice to have a piec
Still lacking (Score:5, Interesting)
The current landscape of eReaders is incredibly frustrating to me. Your choice is to go for either the superior platform or the superior hardware. Amazon has, by far, the best platform. It is ridiculously easy to side load to your devices, be it via USB, email (with each registered device having its own address), or the Send to Kindle app. Not only that, but it syncs your current position across devices, even for side loaded documents. Then there's Whispersync for Voice, which works impressively well (and provides a cheap means to get audiobooks, as well). The problem is that the hardware is just a rectangular slab with no ergonomics.
Contrast this with Kobo and B&N. Their hardware looks and feels great. The Aura even has a higher res screen 265dpi, the same as a retina iPad). The problem, though, is that their stores are smaller and have worse prices, and no syncing for side loading (and less easy to accomplish, as well). Both Kobo and B&N have nicer firmware/reading software, as well.
Amazon's advantages are, for me, strong enough that it makes the Kindle the better choice of the three. This irritates me, because the Aura HD looks fantastic. I may get one just for the hell of it.
Re:Still lacking (Score:5, Insightful)
Wish I had mod-points. This is so completely true, and combine it with the fact that they all come with vendor lock in, and it's even worse.
I have a Nook simple touch, and really want to move to a front lit e-ink reader. Problem is the nook glow is the least tempting of the front lit e-readers to me. That said, I feel locked in due to the number of books already in the B&N cloud. Yes I know I can download, strip DRM, side-load, but bleh, I don't consider that a real solution.
Some day maybe we can buy e-books instead of rent them from a couple of disjointed retailers. Then I could buy a new e-reader every year based on whoever built the best one!
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You're right, it's the vendor lock-in that really hurts us here.
I think it would be pretty cool if companies made Android-based dedicated eReaders based off of Google Play Books. That way, you could have competition in the hardware space and not suffer as much from vendor lock-in. Actually, what I want is for Amazon to open up their platform to allow this; they've already admitted they don't make money on the hardware, so it's not quite as far-fetched as it sounds at first (though it'll still never happen).
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That still is vendor lock-in. On the hand of a huge company with consumer privacy issues like Google. No thanks.
Lock in? What lock in? (Score:2)
I have a Kobo Glo with lots of legitimately purchased ebooks from Amazon and BN on it.
All it takes is the Calibre open source library manager [calibre-ebook.com] and a couple third-party DRM-stripping plugins [wordpress.com]. Rarely, converting from AZW, you'll need a bit of CSS skill and a text editor to track down a conversion glitch.
Of course this entails an account at each vendor to buy the books. Downloading is handled by the Amazon and/or Adobe Digital Editions (BN/Kobo) apps used by those accounts. Just don't let the apps fondle your e
Re:Still lacking (Score:5, Insightful)
Contrast this with Kobo and B&N. Their hardware looks and feels great.
Agreed. The Nook Touch is brilliant ergonomically. People constantly ask me about it; when they hold it, they love the rounded, rubbery texture. Thing's durable as hell, too; it's survived 2 years of being in a bag with all sorts of other crap (note, the glow models are NOT durable, any screen marks show up as brighter specks. They require a screen cover!)
The problem, though, is that their stores are smaller and have worse prices, and no syncing for side loading (and less easy to accomplish, as well).
Sorry, what? I plug in my B&N Nook Touch, internal and external storage volumes mount, and I copy over an epub. Unmount, and presto, it's there.
Root either the Nook or the Kindle and you can use whatever reading software you want. The only negative I see with the Kobo is that it doesn't run Android, and thus you don't get access to all the wonderful goodies you can install - however, it's reportedly very easy to hack as a linux system.
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Sorry, what? I plug in my B&N Nook Touch, internal and external storage volumes mount, and I copy over an epub. Unmount, and presto, it's there.
This, it's as simple as plugging in a USB thmub drive.
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The mere fact you have to root an eReader tells me B&N did something wrong. Don't get me wrong--it's cool that you can do it, and good that there's at least one way to get better functionality--but the fact that you have to go through that effort to get the same functionality that the Kindle has out of the box means B&N still has some work to do.
I like tinkering with my PC, but I don't want to have to tinker with every device I buy.
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I like tinkering with my PC, but I don't want to have to tinker with every device I buy.
Tell me about it. I've had the Nook Simple Touch for a year and a half, and while it's rooted, I've never really gotten most of the cool hacks you see online to work (e.g. multi-touch). It's like if you want to spend a weekend on it without doing anything else, sure, you'll probably get it to work. Then I think about how much I make at work, and how much I could get paid just working a weekend. Then I could buy the most expensive e-reader in the world and still have money for ice cream.
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Well, it's always hard to have something that does it all right? Everything that you have said rings true except for one part in my case. When I was choosing between products I compared the prices for books that I like in the three major stores, namely Amazon, B&N and Apple. Incredible enough and for some strange reason since I'm a big fan of purchasing stuff over Amazon, they always had the most expensive e-books. Sometimes B&N would be more expensive. Apple on the other hand was very cheap on some
Re: Still lacking (Score:2)
I'm surprised. I will admit I only did a cursory glance of titles that are on my wish list, but the Kindle price was frequently cheaper than Kobo's by a dollar or two. The difference isn't huge, but it does add up. Some are even more pronounced--Catching Fire, for instance, is $4 cheaper on Amazon than Kobo.
Granted, I can use Calibre and strip the DRM, but my point is that it's obnoxious to have to take that step.
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What sort of ergonomics do you want? I love the eink display and I think the kindle is great hardware. Not sure what I will do when my breaks,
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The Nook and Kobo readers are all more comfortable to hold than the Kindle. I like my Kindle a lot, but it's just not as nice as the Simple Touch I had.
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For the Kindle, you don't even need to connect it to the computer. You just email it to yourself or use the Send to Kindle app, and it shows up on all your Kindle devices--not just one at a time. It then actually syncs your position between devices, which (unless things have changed) the Nook and others don't do for side loaded content.
Re: Still lacking (Score:2)
I've never had any problems with it, and I've been using a Kindle for more than a year. I did have problems with the Nook taking a while to sync, though.
Can't even tell (Score:1)
Is this thing B&W? It isn't worth $20 to me if it's B&W.
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Well, most of us stopped reading books in color when we were like 8. This is not for games you know.
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This is e-ink, that's the whole point. I believe e-ink is generally B&W and definitely has slow response time, which is why vendors haven't been investing as much in it. If you want a 7" HD color display, just get a Nexus 7.
The point of e-ink is that it is particularly well-suited to reading books. The refresh is no big deal since you only flip a page every 10 seconds or so (or less), and the fact that you can just plug it in about once a month to recharge makes it very much like a paper book. The d
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You have to compare it to the reading experience on a paperback. Then it is a huge screen :)
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Creeping featurism? (Score:2)
I have a Nook Color, and have had it for the last 2 years. No it does not have e-ink, but I have never needed it. I do take it outside and have read books easily at picnic tables during lunch, and in the car when waiting on someone. Indoors its readability is never a problem during day or night. Nor is this just me, as two of my family members also have Nooks. The third is my sister who has a Kindle and admits that she wishes that she had gotten a Nook for the ability to sideload content.
E-Ink, while it doe
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Eink has a place, and I'd buy a phone with it if I could since I can't see the LCD screen outside easily even in the shade.
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Nope. Pennsylvania, USA (40.6N according to Google Earth). Cloudy no more often than most other places. In fact this is the same latitude as Spain and Turkey both of which are very bright sunny places.
Where I'm at it is a bright sunny day today with a few scattered clouds. And my Nook without E-Ink can still be easily read in my sunny backyard without problem.
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I have the e-ink model and to me it is not false advertising. Some people like LCDs others prefer e-ink. I have a poor eyesight from heavy computer use so the e-ink is easy on my eyes.
As for having family owners with Nooks, I have to say that the LendMe feature is truly amazing.
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What's the point of being able to store 28,000 books on a device? At a book a day, you're good for 76 years. That's useful and e-ink is "just another bullet point"?
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Actually the ability to store 28000 books is far more useful than E-ink. Gone are the nerdy days of me lugging around heavy backpacks of books and enduring the jeers of high schools jerks. Gone are the awkward days of carrying several tech manuals into the office and seeing the confused looks of co-workers not in programming dept wondering why I'm bringing in so many books. Gone are the days of lending a book to a friend and never getting it back (having to choose between friend and book I'll choose having
Transflective LCD (Score:1)
How's about an old transflective screen like we used to have on the old nokias??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqnb1AQ_nvs [youtube.com]
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So what you are looking for is a magazine reader not a book reader. That's really the only reason (barring children's books) I can see for color e-ink in a e-reader.
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This is what you want, unfortunately the price is outrageous. The Jetbook Color 2. [jetbook.net]