Meet "Ophelia," Dell's Plan To Reinvent Itself 280
redletterdave writes "Dell is reportedly working on a project codenamed 'Ophelia,' a USB stick-sized self-contained computer that provides access to virtually every major operating system — from the Mac OS, to Windows, to Google's Chrome OS, to cloud-based solutions from Citrix and Dell — all via the cloud. Powered by Android, Ophelia works just like a USB stick: Just plug it into any flat panel monitor or TV, and boom, you have a computer. Ophelia connects to the Internet via Wi-Fi, and can connect to keyboards and other peripherals over Bluetooth. Not only is the computer portable and power-efficient, but to make it truly accessible, Dell plans to sell the device for just $50."
well, this article's lost it (Score:4, Interesting)
PCs are cumbersome, heavy and slow. Ophelia provides a computer experience as typical and fast as any other computer -- again, everything depends on the Internet connection -- but at a fraction of the weight. PCs can’t fit in your pocket; Ophelia can. Heck, you could probably stick anywhere between two to five of those computers into a normal pants pocket.
1.) Talk about hyperbole, batman.
2.) I imagine the lag will be horrendous.
3.) Over wireless?
Re:well, this article's lost it (Score:4, Interesting)
PCs are cumbersome, heavy and slow. Ophelia provides a computer experience as typical and fast as any other computer -- again, everything depends on the Internet connection -- but at a fraction of the weight. PCs can’t fit in your pocket; Ophelia can. Heck, you could probably stick anywhere between two to five of those computers into a normal pants pocket.
1.) Talk about hyperbole, batman.
2.) I imagine the lag will be horrendous.
3.) Over wireless?
I regularly VPN over my home Wifi connection to work and run Windows remotely via rdp and it works quite well. Not quite as snappy as a long machine, but works well enough that I don't bother to bring my Windows laptop home to do work, I just remote into the terminal server at work.
It's a lot less seamless over a celluar Mifi device, but still usable.
I don't see why this device wouldn't be usable.
The cellular data bill (Score:5, Insightful)
It's a lot less seamless over a celluar Mifi device, but still usable.
I don't see why this device wouldn't be usable.
I'm under the impression that the the cellular data bill (assuming the U.S. market, where Dell and Dice are headquartered) would make it cost prohibitive.
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It's a lot less seamless over a celluar Mifi device, but still usable.
I don't see why this device wouldn't be usable.
I'm under the impression that the the cellular data bill (assuming the U.S. market, where Dell and Dice are headquartered) would make it cost prohibitive.
I have no idea how much my work pays for my Mifi, so I was commenting on the usability of RDP over cell, not the price, but I think few people will have an HD TV without also having a hardwired internet connection.
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You seem to forget that in the UK the word "unlimited" does not actually mean unlimited when it comes to bandwidth in internet connections. It means "some arbitary amount that we're nto going to tell you about in advance".
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I forget the name of the place...but there was someone trying to sell game streaming like this. Their hardware would run the games and the results were piped to you. But that company went out of business from lack of demand, with many user complaints centered on lag.
So...color me skeptical.
Maybe this will have a niche with people like my dad? He definitely needs a familiar interface and doesn't care about gaming...
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http://www.onlive.com/ [onlive.com]
It's still up and running and seems to be doing a brisk business... I've never used it, though. But I'm going to check it out right now!
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Second this. I work from home two or three days a week, using a Linux or OSX client (depending on what I have with me at the time) to RDP over a VPN link over ADSL to my Windows-based development machines at the office. Quite usable as a desktop environment, although it cannot be used for anything remotely video-intensive like games or YouTube.
That said, even for just desktop use there are huge speed/latency differences between various RDP clients. I've tried several on Linux and haven't found one that work
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Re:well, Dell lost it (Score:2)
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They expect me to do serious "desktop work" via portable high-latency device in the 'cloud' environment using Android?
Why do you care what operating system runs on the device? You're doing your work on the desktop running on the cloud, the Dell box is just the display for that remote cloud desktop. It coudl be Android, IOS, WebOS, or even a new DellOS and it shouldn't make any difference at all to the end user.
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The real issue is with the companies' data being in the cloud. Especially if Dell insists that you use their cloud with their devices.
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I do ssh and X forwarding to machines across the country on a daily basis for work. Works just fine, even with fairly graphical applications. Other types of desktop forwarding should work similarly well in practice.
Re: well, this article's lost it (Score:2)
Except they're not doing ssh or x forwarding, they must be doing vnc. VNC is usable, but not particularly nice much of the time over regular coonnections.
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You're right, if you're staring at a mostly static display, VNC is just great.
Try doing everything you do on a computer via VNC over a residential connection to the Internet. Now do you want to pay Dell $19.95 a month for the privilege? Are you going to call it a game changer?
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RDP via VPN is very usable, and it will only get better. RDP from windows to windows machines is very, very good. It's one of the very few things Microsoft does better than anybody else. VirtualBox has excellent RDP support as well, and it's extremely fast and easy to use.
Thin clients have finally arrived... just in a way nobody ever expected.
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PCs are cumbersome, heavy and slow. Ophelia provides a computer experience as typical and fast as any other computer -- again, everything depends on the Internet connection -- but at a fraction of the weight. PCs can’t fit in your pocket; Ophelia can. Heck, you could probably stick anywhere between two to five of those computers into a normal pants pocket.
1.) Talk about hyperbole, batman. 2.) I imagine the lag will be horrendous. 3.) Over wireless?
Think of it as your smartphone minus the touchscreen, GPS, cellular radio, speaker, microphone and battery. You can make it pretty damn small.
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The "Cloud" (Score:5, Insightful)
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V2.0, no doubt destined for Kickstarter momentarily courtesy of some local hacker, would probably have onboard storage for your data to deal with just such a concern.
Re:The "Cloud" (Score:5, Insightful)
I can't be the only one who's creeped out about this. All my data in "the cloud"... I know, I know, it's been going on for years, but me, I like my data on my own machine away from anyone else. The is just more devolution of the power of the individual & transferring it to others, who may not necessarily have the individual's best interests in mind. Keep your little machine Dell.
You may not be the only one who's afraid of the cloud, but for most people, their data is safer in the "cloud" than it is at home on their old PC that has no backups. It could even be safer against hack attacks if the provider keeps applications patched so no one is still running a buggy unpatched MSIE 6 on WinXP.
Re:The "Cloud" (Score:4, Insightful)
even better, when they screw up and delete something they did not mean to, and go looking for it later, they have someone to blame
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even better, when they screw up and delete something they did not mean to, and go looking for it later, they have someone to blame
Or they could just look in the "Trash" folder at their cloud provider. Google Drive retains "Trash" items indefinitely until you choose to empty the trash folder.
If I'm editing a document and accidentally screw it up, I can just revert to a previous version.
I use Google Docs almost exclusively for creating documents even though I have MS Office and Libre Office readily available, and I have a reasonable backup policy for my home computers, including offsite backups. I use Google Docs more because the docs a
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The amount of "data" on my home computers that is actually worth keeping would probably all fit on a £10 USB stick; but that's not the stuff I worry about going to "the cloud".
What I don't want "in the cloud" is all my incidental data- browser usage, emails (in any more cloud locations than are necessary to have a webmail service, anyway), shopping habits, bank login details, etc. All of that stuff is currently on my home computers, and is obviously not backed up (intentionally). No-one has access to
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Then you're not the target market. For the vast majority, I'm will to guess the providers will have better backup procedures than most homes.
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You weren't going to buy it anyways, so was anything of value lost?
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Who wants to pass packets loaded with ad revenue as just another computer maker?
The cash is in the content and with a device like this data is still in plain text before its lost to encryption.
Contact your HQ about a cpu, gpu deal in a "secure" way and then surf the web in a hotel room - that brand will be back at you all night.
Your message was secure, your later web surfing was unrelated to work - but the gateway, cookies, cloud ar
Mac OS my a$$ (Score:5, Insightful)
Not.
Gonna.
Happen.
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VNC (Score:2)
Re:VNC (Score:4, Informative)
First Apple doesn't own the VNC technology, so they can't legally enforce that.
Second, although OSX's "remote desktop" software listens on VNC's tcp/5900 for incoming connections, for remote OSX clients it uses Apple's custom Type 35 Diffie-Hellman authentication/private key exchange and then switches to an AES128-encrypted link to run Apple's own RDP protocol. i.e.: it's not even VNC protocol.
Apple knows how to win a lawsuit (Score:2)
First Apple doesn't own the VNC technology, so they can't legally enforce that.
Nor does Apple own the EFI technology, yet it won in Apple v. Psystar.
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How would the community react if the license for the next version of Mac OS X were to forbid VNCing to a Mac from anything but a Mac?
TFS speaks about:
provides access to virtually every major operating system — [...] — all via the cloud
Where did you get VNC?
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all via the cloud
Where did you get VNC?
Similar services such as OnLive run various applications on various operating systems in "the cloud" (which means someone's server). The protocol used to push their output to the thin client is analogous to VNC or RDP. And from what I could Google on short notice, the remote desktop protocol used by Mac OS X either is VNC or can fall back to VNC.
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MacOS won't be running from this device. It'll be running from a Mac, which this device will be a remote terminal to.
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It wouldn't be running from this device. Dell would, notionally, have rack cabinets full of Mac Minis in some data center somewhere. To the user, it's all just the "cloud."
I should have been more clear (Score:2)
Dell, or anyone else, setting up virtual Macs for you and me to use? No. I've been in several meetings with Apple reps, and whenever we bring up virtualization things get real awkward. Unless Apple decides to set up the servers themselves, and that they're tired of selling iMacs and iBooks.
Re:Mac OS my a$$ (Score:5, Informative)
Remember, MacOS is on the slow-kill list. It's been slowly merging with iOS and Apple doesn't want to develop two OS's. If 'Mac' still exists in 10 years, it might be the iPhone having a 'Mac Mode' where to goes full-screen to a wirelessly-connected K/V/M. But for 'pros' who need more CPU, rather than building it into the phone (where it will eat power and transistor budget) they might offer the option to buy compute power from the cloud (with Apple taking 30% of whatever anybody makes on it).
In fact, if a $50 Dell dongle has the CPU power to do a 'Mac Mode', we could even see this launching in June on the next iPhone from Apple. Sure, they make a good profit on every hardware Mac they sell, but if they can make the same profit by renting the hardware time and expand their userbase to every iPhone user (with seamless data sync, naturally) then they'll go for the better revenue stream. That will make the phase-out of the Mac that much easier.
Apple dropped "computer" from its name in 2007, when the iPhone was just starting its upward trajectory and the iPod was on fire. A lot changed that year, as the company changed its primary focus to mobile and outlined a long-term plan to leave the desktop market.
Re:Mac OS my a$$ (Score:5, Informative)
I'm willing to bet very, very many internets that Apple hasn't authorized any Mac OS running from this device.
Not.
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Happen.
Don't
Understand.
Device.
It's just a linux boot running VNC client. The actual workstations are back in a datacenter somewhere, and they will be actual Apple certified Macs, running VNC server. I'm really amazed that no one has done this sooner. The one thing you can't do is really graphics intensive games, like shooters.
Odd choice of name.... (Score:4, Insightful)
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The Internet as Hamlet and Microsoft as Polonius?
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The Internet as Hamlet and Microsoft as Polonius?
If we're going to cast the internet as a greek character, I'd suggest Priapus instead.
Re:Odd choice of name.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Naming a product that's supposed to save your business after one of literature's most prominent suicides probably seemed like a good idea at the time.
Dell invented the diskless workstation? (Score:5, Insightful)
It really is amazing how the IT industry continues to re-invent what was done decades ago.
Re:Dell invented the diskless workstation? (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, this apparently comes from Dell's acquisition of Wyse. That is, these guys: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/72/WyseTerminal100.jpg/220px-WyseTerminal100.jpg [wikimedia.org] -- the people who *did* do this decades ago. So, I guess, fair enough.
Two Words... (Score:2)
An Even Better Idea (Score:4, Funny)
Dell's R&D must be working overtime to come up with a clever new idea like that.
Here's another "someday" idea they can pursue: put a 5" crt, two floppy drives, and a Z80 in a suitcase. Call it a "portable" computer!!
USB, not. (Score:5, Informative)
Dell selling Android devices is like... (Score:2)
Apple selling Android devices.
This is just an announcement at CES. Doesn't mean shit. Dell stopped shipping Linux tablets... why? Dell makes Linux laptops pricier and more difficult to get than Windows ones...why?
So Dell is planning to 'reinvent' itself on an Android based Rapberry-Pi kind of form factor device; which it hopes people will buy from Dell despite its name rhyming with Hell? Good. I'll believe it when I see it.
I'm not sure how much of a game-changer this is (Score:2)
It's from Wyse, so it's basically a "thin client". Don't get me wrong, Wyse makes good thin clients, but it's not fundamentally different than anything out there already. It's basically a way to run "VDI" (Virtual Desktop Interface) from your pocket.
OK, cool enough, but I can already do that with an app on my smart phone. I can run a plethora of thin client software - Citrix, VMware, Webex, PCAnywhere, Microsoft RDP, VNC... what else? The only unique thing I see here is that you can attach to a larger e
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Your international computer is now a Dell and friends of Dell out of the box.
Its all race to the default settings and who gets closer to the user before they https.
Great plan Dell (Score:2)
Reinvent yourself by copying cheap Chinese products that are already available for ~$45 and charging 10% more.
virtually... yeah right (Score:2)
>" that provides access to virtually every major operating system â" from the Mac OS, to Windows, to Google's Chrome OS, to cloud-based solutions from Citrix and Dell â" all via the cloud"
Virtually every major operating system and yet Linux is not mentioned... typical. Change "virtually" to "most" and that might be accurate. Of course the article doesn't have many useful details.
$50? Yeah right, and then some monthly "service fee", no doubt. And then you have to trust Dell's "cloud" with al
I hope they shorten the name for commercials... (Score:5, Funny)
This is dumb (Score:2)
They will just start building the functionality into the monitor. This will be the default behavior of the monitors unless you are feeling "inelegant" and decide to plug something into the inputs. Then the Dell shiny toy is a paperweight.
In fact, the internal processor power of a monitor should be able to run this with spare cycles.
The endgame is to use the usb ports on the monitor to connect drives and allow storage. Bing!
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It gets fun when they give you a button to switch back and forth between PC inputs and android screen. Then you can use the monitor to select where your keyboard and mouse events go. To the android or to the PC.
Totally new idea! (Score:3)
It's a bird!
It's a Sun Ray!
It's an X Terminal!
It's... It's... a failure.
Works like a USB port? Wuht? (Score:4, Funny)
Ophelia works just like a USB port
Err, does it? A USB port is a slot for plugging USB devices into. This is a teeny tiny computer that you plug into a display.
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I'm pretty sure this has been done before.
This seems a lot like a Chromebook, except you save a couple hundred and don't get an LCD panel or keyboard or USB ports.
Yeah, this is gonna take right off.
What's the over/under on this ever being released?
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Insightful)
REALLY? (Score:3, Insightful)
Sounds like a glorified WebTV device. Dell has been going down the shitter for years turning out trash hardware.
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Informative)
even if this is useful as just a web browser, this is going to be a market changer.
They've been on the market for a while. I have half a dozen of them, given others to family and friends as Skype terminals.
http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?SearchText=android+usb+pc&catId=0&manual=y [aliexpress.com]
A lot of SMEs in parts of Asia have started using them as basic office PCs as well. I'd say Dell is trying to get on this wave before it peaks.
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Funny)
Yeah, even if this is useful as just a web browser, this is going to be a market changer.
So why name it after a crazy chick who's husband and boyfriend were such arseholes they drove her mad till she threw herself into the river?
What's their next project codename? Syphilis?
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Funny)
sounds catchy
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I'm not so sure about that. The article seems to describe yet another thin-client solution, only this time it uses the buzzword "cloud" to describe the servers. The only real difference between it and older thin-client solutions is that it uses the equivalent of a Raspberry Pi in a USB form instead of bulkier old technology built into the monitor itself.
Game changer? I doubt it very much.
Most people who buy internet-enabled TVs don't even use the internet capability for anything more than playing Yo
Re:Been Done (Score:4, Insightful)
You really think Dell will let you use that as a Web Browser? Think again.
It is going to be a dumb terminal that connects to Dell Services. These services will likely have a monthly/usage based fee.
There is no business sense in giving you hardware with low profit margins for your personal use.
Or qemu and a garage sale tower (Score:3)
nstead of $400 towers (which include the Windows license) that last for 5+ years, now I need vSphere licenses, veeam licenses, a very expensive SAN and tons of super expensive server grade hardware to create my own cloud. Then loads of windows server licenses that cost far more than desktop licenses, tons of expensive CALs, very expensive terminal server and/or citrix CALs and so on. It would end up costing more and it would limit us in many ways.
Or a qemu license (free) and cheap craigslist towers now have hardware acceleration in CPU. No 3D acceleration, that's true, so not good for gamers. Personally, I'm not a gamer, so I use exactly zero 3 D applications.
I see it as filling a niche not quite served by tablets (if you want a screen larger than your hand) and not ideally served by desktops.
Re:Or qemu and a garage sale tower (Score:5, Insightful)
You are right, no sane enterprise will use cheap hardware and free software to run such a service. Imagine if google used nothing but cheap x86 hardware and free software to run their operation, instead of the huge IBM mainframes they have now.
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Insightful)
Everyone's heard of Dell.
Except, for the past seven or eight years, whenever they've heard "Dell" it's been preceded by "piece of sh*t".
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Informative)
https://dx.com/p/android-4-0-mini-pc-google-tv-player-w-wifi-allwinner-a10-cortex-a8-tf-hdmi-white-4gb-137012 [dx.com]
You were saying, anon?
Re:Been Done (Score:4, Informative)
I've got the next one up. Mygica a11 I like it a lot. Very fast. I put plex for android on it. 3 USB ports. HDMI port. No sperate audio jack but that's OK. Was half the cost of the apple TV and also has airplay on it.
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Interesting)
If(and it isn't a small if, you run screaming from Dell software for a reason) Dell can get the software working properly, I'll give them that.
As you note, assorted Android-powered 'stick PC' products(the mk802 is sort of the 'kleenex' of the category; but the array of model numbers and knock-offs is frankly rather dizzying) are done to hell and back by now, and cheap too.
The quality of their firmware, however, might charitably be described as 'downmarket'. I'd assume that Dell will manage to clean things up a bit; but it would fail to surprise me if(once you've glommed on some CALs and VM rentals and assorted bullshit-as-a-service stuff, you'll be right back up to where corporate thin clients have always cost, only a bit smaller this time).
Re:Been Done (Score:5, Insightful)
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I pity your cognitive capacity.
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Re:Licensing & Latency (Score:5, Informative)
The two biggest roadblocks to Ophelia - besides most LCD's not supporting this type of USB connection - is licensing these multiple OS's on the cloud and the inherent latencies that are going to hound such a small CPU while it tries to handle graphics, WiFi & Bluetooth network stacks and the throughput of data. $50 is a wonderful price for the hardware. What will the services end of this product cost?
Amazon will rent you an entire virtual Win Server 2008 server for around 12 cents/hour - presumably desktop pricing would be lower, but if a typical home user uses their desktop for 4 hours/day, that's around $15/month at 12 cents/hour.
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The two biggest roadblocks to Ophelia - besides most LCD's not supporting this type of USB connection...
It's a USB-[thumbdrive-]sized device. If you looked at the picture it's got a HDMI connector on it.
Re:Licensing & Latency (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Licensing & Latency (Score:2)
Actually, $50 is kind of a ridiculously high price for this. A raspberry pi is $25 and can do more than act as a dumb terminal.
Dell isn't going to reinvent itself by convincing everyone to stop buying $300 laptops from them and start buying $50 USB sticks. They're going to have to charge a decent amount for service.
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Actually, $50 is kind of a ridiculously high price for this. A raspberry pi is $25 and can do more than act as a dumb terminal.
Dell isn't going to reinvent itself by convincing everyone to stop buying $300 laptops from them and start buying $50 USB sticks. They're going to have to charge a decent amount for service.
$41.99 - Rasberry Pi with enclosure [mcmelectronics.com]
$9.99 - Rasberry Pi Wifi adapbter [mcmelectronics.com]
$7.99 - Mini bluetooth adapter [mcmelectronics.com]
Total: $59.97, not including Dell's software.
They're going to have to charge a decent amount for service
Well yeah, that's the point - to get out of selling low-margin laptops and get into a higher margin service business.
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Oooh, this is a fun game.
Pi $35 (http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=43W5302)
Case $6.39 (http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=92T3300)
Wifi $9.99 (go with yours, or newark has one for the same price)
Bluetooth $5.56 (http://www.newark.com/dynamode/bt-usb-m2/adaptor-bluetooth-usb-class-1/dp/39T4089)
total: $56.94
That gets you hardware that is presumably more powerful than what Dell is pushing (because it's not just a dumb terminal) and can be used to do other things than con
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Oooh, this is a fun game.
Pi $35 (http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=43W5302)
Case $6.39 (http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=92T3300)
Wifi $9.99 (go with yours, or newark has one for the same price)
Bluetooth $5.56 (http://www.newark.com/dynamode/bt-usb-m2/adaptor-bluetooth-usb-class-1/dp/39T4089)
total: $56.94
So you came up with about the same price as me, for a device that's more comparable to Dell's device than a raw Pi with no case, and no wireless connectivity?
That gets you hardware that is presumably more powerful than what Dell is pushing (because it's not just a dumb terminal) and can be used to do other things than connect to Dell's cloud.
Why would you presume that a Pi is more powerful than the Dell when Dell hasn't released specs? Just because the Pi can be made to do anything you want doesn't mean that the majority of consumers want to have a device that they can load any software on -- many consumers want a device that they plug into their TV, and then 2 minutes later they enter th
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After you eat a blue Popsicle treat... (Score:3)
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Ah, so now we'd have to not only bum someone else's monitor/TV and Internet connection just to get access to our own documents which we're not even carrying with us, but we'll need to carry a keyboard/mouse combo everywhere we go as well and stock up on even more batteries? Wow... this is just getting worse and worse.
I'll just carry get a laptop if I need a portable system, and use a real desktop--with a good old-fashioned, no-nonsense wired keyboard and mouse--for anything halfway serious.
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I'll just carry get a laptop if I need a portable system
I agree. It's just that they don't make 10" laptops anymore because a tablet and an external keyboard are so much higher margin.
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what use is a tiny computer without a way of controlling it?
What, Bluetooth [dell.com] doesn't count?
Re: Sounds (Score:2)
It would be if you stripped out all the stuff that makes a pi cool.
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Why not? "USB-sized" is a meaningless term after all.
Surely a raspberry pi is larger than the tiny USB dongle that does bluetooth plugged into my laptop, but smaller than the USB HDD also plugged into the same laptop.
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The Dell part is the missing link turning your droid, iPad into a real computer, linking Tv and the net
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I like it. Many Chinese/Taiwanese manufacturers already offer this, either as a HDMI stick or small set-top box running Android, but Dell just has more clout to make the hardware rock solid, make it work very well with the OS and seamless cloud offerings. I'd get this on day one and breathe some life into my TVs.
Since when did Dell make hardware rock solid or make any form of an OS?
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Back when they were rebadging Sony Trinatrons and ASUS motherboards.