Order Limit On Raspberry Pi Lifted 204
hypnosec writes "Raspberry Pi, the small $35 ARM-based computer system capable of running Linux that took the world of technology by storm just a few months back, has its order limit shackles removed as it has been revealed that manufacturers are now producing 4000 units per day. The Raspberry Pi Foundation, the non-profit organization behind the tiny computer, has said that RS Components and element14/Premier Farnell have started producing enough units to allow them to scrap the order limit on Raspberry Pi. In a blog post, the foundation made the announcement. Initially the limit of one unit per customer was placed in the light of limited stocks. Despite these limits, there was always a shortage and people had to wait for long time to get their hands on one of these credit card sized computers."
Still waiting... (Score:5, Interesting)
I ordered mine a while ago. Credit card was charged about 3 weeks ago. Still waiting on shipping information. :-(
Not that I'm upset. It's obviously a toy computer for me. But it's Summer, and I want to play with my toy!
(Planning on hooking up a couple external USB hard drives and using it as a low power NAS.)
Re:Still waiting... (Score:4, Insightful)
Not only have I not ordered, but I haven't got an email saying that I can order. Maybe they should get through the back log before they start permitting people to try to order multiples...
Re:Still waiting... (Score:4, Informative)
Basically although they're a fantastic company to deal with they really do not have their head around managing their domains and are harming themselves by unintentionally sending a few spam triggers.
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Thanks for the heads-up, but there's nothing applicable there.
It sure would be nice if the R-Pi foundation could have found some competent resellers to do business with somewhere in the world.
It would also be nice if shipping didn't cost more than I can get an Arduino bought and shipped for. That's not about competence, that's about greed on the part of the resellers they chose to work with.
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When did you sign up? I did about three weeks ago. My email that allowed me to order came through today. I placed an order and sadly it said about 11 weeks to shipping. I can't imagine how backlogged it will be when they get larger orders coming through.
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I signed up last week and received my order email today.
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Re:Still waiting... (Score:4, Interesting)
The RaspberryPi actually seems to max at about 2MB/s per my tests at a 1500MTU, and over 4.4MB/s at 1492MTU.
Many protocols such as SSH have high overhead, but a low-overhead protocol can expect these numbers.
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The problem is the "B" model's Ethernet port is really a USB-to-Ethernet adapter connected to the processor's USB host controller. Couple that with a relatively weak ARM11 processor (really that CPU is meant to drive the VideoCore 4 graphics processor - basically to feed the beast with data so customers
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The RaspberryPi actually seems to max at about 2MB/s per my tests at a 1500MTU, and over 4.4MB/s at 1492MTU.
Sounds as if something is broken in your setup. The only reason for that huge difference is something which introduces IP fragmentation for pretty much every datagram.
Many protocols such as SSH have high overhead, but a low-overhead protocol can expect these numbers.
"Overhead" is maybe not the best term here. Compression and ciphering (i.e. CPU usage) easily becomes the bottleneck in bulk data transfer over ssh, but those are some of the features which make ssh attractive!
ETA: 11 weeks (Score:2)
"Dispatch expected in 11 weeks"
That's what the raspberry pi website says.
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I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
I wonder if they called the cap on raspberry orders... wait for it... the raspberry beret.
Re:I wonder (Score:4, Insightful)
*dramatic groan* (since I have no mod points) =)
Re:I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
Now it can be the "the little computer formerly limited to one order."
4000 units per day, 4 bazillion /. users ordering (Score:5, Funny)
Dangit, couldn't you have waited to post the slashdot article until I had ordered mine?
--Joe
Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (Score:4, Interesting)
Already here? (Score:2, Interesting)
I just saw something that fits the small Android PC slot perfectly:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/minix-tv-box-h24.html
Its an Android PC designed for TVs, but maybe ideal for my small PC needs, already can run Ubuntu, but I want it for Android.
Or perhaps these will start appearing in boxes:
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2012/07/worlds-first-tegra-3-mini-itx.html
Mini format PC style motherboard, with PC spec, but Quad core Arm, running Android, supports up to 3 screens, HDMI, cheap.
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Puzzling because the system is built to run a customized version's of Google's Linux-based Android OS. Maybe they should have included a photo of Torvalds or the Google dynamic duo?
Besides,
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One of the big pushes by vendors have been the HTPC segment. By the time you actually get a working rPi, with case and power supply, you've already matched prices with many of the Allwinner A10 based solutions. Not to mention, NO ONE gets an rPi for $35. Turns out $35 actually translates into $55 + $10 power + $15 case, for a total of roughly $85. You can get a superior solution for up to $20 less than that, delivered. On top of that, the A10 solutions frequently have real SATA, builtin in WIFI, a faster CP
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Do you know where one can buy an A10 board? There are plenty of devices using it, but is there a board (it's ok to include case) available?
Re:Speculation: Will somebody do an "EeePC"? (Score:4, Informative)
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As aways, everybody just don't add connectors for the GPIO pins.
That Goosebery board is only usefull for testing your software. It is simply not usefull for hardware projects.
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"lacking ESD protection on the HDVI port"
This isn't the 90s. Devices today are much better in resisting ESD damage.
It's been at least ten years since I've killed any piece of hardware via ESD.
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I thought it was USB powered? I have, literally, a half dozen usb power supplies laying about.
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Can I run Debian on the A10? With hardware floating point? Are binary blobs required? This is what is really needed to beat the RPi. I don't need more CPU or RAM or SATA, I need plain vanilla Debian and full use of the hardware.
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The Mali 400 GPU drivers are openly being developed. This is all fairly emerging stuff. Give it some time.
If that's the case, this is the platform everyone should be working on. The RPi is actually harmful because it discourages people from working on a truly open platform.
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Can I run Debian on the A10? With hardware floating point? Are binary blobs required?
On paper you should be able to - it's an ARM Cortex-A8 which is enough to run the Debian releases with hardware floating point, and you might even be able to get unaccelerated graphics working without using any blobs. Open source hardware acceleration is still stuck in the reverse-engineering stages.
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I got mine for $35. I run it without a case. I already have a USB charger that came with my phone, and I always charge my phone from my computer anyway so I could just use that. The display is my old television via composite video. I already have an ethernet lead. I already have a spare USB keyboard. Actually the TV and the keyboard were both redundant once I had enabled ssh, I just use X11 forwarding over ssh.
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Well, mine was $35 plus I think $6 shipping, I plugged it into a spare phone charger I had lying around and it currently has no case, but I was planning on using a cardboard box. I haven't even had to buy a cable for it. So yeah I really honestly did spend a whopping $41, nothing like $85 (seriously is that even much money?).
Considering I was in the market for a HTPC and I was looking at AMD all-in-one fanless systems (~$150) with a nice case (~$150), I think I'm doing ok here.
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I don't really need a smaller motherboard, I'm only going to buy a medium size tower case anyway.
What else will I use as a combined leg rest and heater in the winter under the desk otherwise?
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What else will I use as a combined leg rest and heater in the winter under the desk otherwise?
Isn't that what girlfriends are for?
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This is slashdot. You can guarantee just about anyone with a UID over 900,000 is gay.
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VIA APC has the same problem as R-Pi, but even moreso. VIA wants a fucking mint to ship it. Why is it that Dealextreme can send me a tablet from China for free but VIA needs thirty bucks? Is it just because of the stupidly gigantic shipping box?
MiniX looks like the hotness right now for the price point, but it would be nice to have more RAM.
$35 or $25 (Score:3)
The article summary says $35, but http://www.raspberrypi.org/ [raspberrypi.org] states $25. Which is accurate? Is there more than one model?
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Never mind, I found it here http://www.raspberrypi.org/faqs [raspberrypi.org]
How much will it cost?
The Model A will cost $25 and the Model B $35, plus local taxes.
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You're right, it does come out to almost $70, although you left out a few purchases.
5 dollar supply [adafruit.com] in a free case(if you buy from RS, the shipping box makes an excellent case, better than element14 which shipped a crappy chipboard box with one layer of bubblewrap), and a RPi that only cost me $5 or $7 in shipping because I bought from a local branch instead of the UK headquarters of the distributor.
Including shipping for the power supply(approx $3.87 if I bought it alone, actually less) and a 1 meter HDMI/
Re:$35 or $25 (Score:5, Informative)
Check the FAQ [raspberrypi.org]:
The Model A will cost $25 and the Model B $35, plus local taxes.
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Model A has been redesigned to have 256Mb RAM, one USB port and no Ethernet (network connection). Model B has 256Mb RAM, 2 USB port and an Ethernet port.
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There are two models, the A (which hasn't been released yet) has a nominal price of $25 while the B has a nominal price of $35.
However those nominal prices do not include shipping, tax or handling (the first two are understandable but the third seems a little slimy to me). The real all-in price here in the UK seems to be about £30.
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The article summary says $35, but http://www.raspberrypi.org/ [raspberrypi.org] states $25. Which is accurate?
its more like $45 and 10 week waiting time in reality.
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Speaking of RaspberryPi... NetBSD support (Score:4, Interesting)
Since we're on the subject -- NetBSD is being ported to the RaspberryPi, despite all the roadblocks in place to do so. (RPi is not an open platform) It is booting to multiuser in test code. See hubertf's post [feyrer.de] on the subject. I intend to help test as soon as my unit arrives.
I want but... (Score:2)
You know I want one. I want to support their non-profit, and its a cool thing but... and there is a big but....
I just bought a few TP-Links. There is one you can get (wr700n) for about $15-25 (have to look around), can run Openwrt. With Ethernet, USB host, and Wifi, powered from a miniUSB.... is pretty damned close to a rasberry pi for a few bucks less...and its tiny.
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it looks like you are right... I know one of the TPLinks does support it, and has those features in about that price range.
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Sigh...I am glad that you posted this. I did a bit more digging, its the wr703n that I was thinking of, which is highly unfortunate, since I got the wr700n from my amazon order. Oops. Thats more than a bit dissapointing.
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WR-703N does, though. it has double the flash and RAM. (4/32MB).
I ordered one from ebay the other day for $23 CAD shipped (I guess ~20 USD). It will be interesting to see how it works out.
openwrt wiki entry for WR-703N [openwrt.org]
solution in search of a problem... (Score:2)
This is such a cool toy - I wish I had something I need it for. I really do. Suggestions?
Great, I'll be ordering some more! (Score:2)
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Yea another fumble (Score:2)
Lifting the restriction of people ordering multiples while most of us cant even get a email with news of availability and an average roumored 12 week lead time. Tucker sold more cars than they had as well, didnt work out for them, maybe having an item in stock doesnt matter as long as the money keeps rolling in.
They should have fufilled their backorders before doing this, just another "sigh I dont want to even deal with these people anymore" move
Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:5, Informative)
* I'll run "full" Linux (or ?BSD) rather than Android being the only option (and not even the latest Android no doubt)
* Wired network access is possible
* A "proper" keyboard & mouse can be attached (I'm assuming the phone doesn't have a host-capable USB port)
* Other USB connected devices too for that matter
* Easy access to I/O channels for connecting non-USB things (such as motors and other custom electronics)
Of course if you have the phone hanging around you could try repurpose it, it would probably be a fun project if you are that way inclined, but I suspect the extra hassle would eat any saving from not buying a Pi or equivalent. A quick scan on eBay.co.uk suggests that you would be better off selling the old phone and putting the proceeds towards something like a Pi.
You are right that the phone does have some advantages over the Pi though (built in screen, built-in keyboard (IIRC the Dream was a slide keyboard unit?), neat little case, almost certainly smaller than a Pi+case,
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It is more flexible than the old phone option though, especially for those of use who don't have one lying around. ...
* Easy access to I/O channels for connecting non-USB things (such as motors and other custom electronics)
That's the part that interests me the most! I'm studying mechanical engineering, and I've always seen I/Cs as just a way to control where/when electricity is delivered. I like the arduino for this reason- I can access pins without having to learn a new programming language, or do any sort of memory management. I really see the R-Pi as a more powerful arduino (unfortunately, it's more expensive- with the arduino, I can take out the atmega328 chip, add a few components on to a perf board, and make my projec
Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:4, Interesting)
And if you can later learn to code in C, your project may not even need an ATmega328. As an example, the ATtiny13A is only 1.06$CAD at Digi-Key.ca.
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digikey is pretty expensive on micros. Newark has ATTINY85 for less than a dollar (CAD) in single quantity. It has eight times as much flash, RAM, and EEPROM of the tiny13, so you can use C on it more practically. (tiny13 only has 64b of RAM... pretty hurtin' unit, really.)
For less than double that, you can get a mega168 though, same thing used on the earlier arduinos. It's got double everything the 85 has, plus real serial devices and far more IO. (the USI on some of the tinys is pretty odd to use. and on
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That should be 64B of RAM. Oops.
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I see HTC Dreams selling on eBay and Amazon for £60-£100 used. A Raspberry Pi is something like £20. So by using your old Dream instead of selling it and buying a Pi, you're losing between £40-£80.
So no, it'd be more expensive to use the old smartphone. Although using the smartphone is certainly a lazier, and hackier method (both good things).
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I have an original Motorola Droid sitting in a drawer I'm thinking of re purposing into a smart thermostat. It's going to need a helper and the Pi is way overkill for that. I'll probibly use an Aduino [arduino.cc], which is still way overkill, or roll my own interface with a U421 [usbmicro.com] and let the droid do all the processing if I can get them talking to each other.
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So says Slashdot, Debian will run on the G1:
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/08/11/13/2240244/debian-running-on-the-t-mobile-g1 [slashdot.org]
Debian obviously supports most any server functionality you care to mention, and runs fine from a CLI.
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Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:4, Interesting)
I was luck enough to get in on the first round of availabilty, and only had to wait 10 weeks to get it (only mostly sarcastic), and it's been a great unit. It's given me a platform to work on and learn far more about cross-compiling, working in a small(er) footprint, and generally programming in general.
Currently, I'm working to make it the core of a computer concept for my car. Will it be as good as stuff "off the shelf?" ~Really~ unlikely. Will it be a whole lotta fun getting it going? You betcha! And so far, I've only shelled out about US$45 for the Raspberry Pi and some wiring to get started on this project.
Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:5, Informative)
Small, very cheap (proper computers are at least ten times as expensive), and can be run from a small pack of AA batteries.
If I need something that fits any of those criteria and doesn't require massive general computing power then the Pi is perfect.
Robotics, small distributed experiments, mucking around with programming, seeing what can be done, fitting a computer (almost) into an Altoids tin, low power.... I would say that at $35 this is pretty awesome. Heck, as it has the capability to decode HD video and has a USB port, WiFi, and a SD slot then it works fine as a main video computer, just connected to an old LCD. Great for the kids' room.
Oh yeah, and it's silent. Because of the low power it doesn't require fans.
So, small, cheap, silent, energy efficient..
Consider the issue explained
Piling on Some More Reasons (Score:5, Interesting)
Consider the issue explained
To go a little further, I'd like to remind everyone that it was developed and pitched as an educational tool in the UK [slashdot.org] with some big backers [slashdot.org].
I now have five of these in my possession with one lent to a friend whose wife keeps him on a very short leash financially. And I had one arduino that was fun to tinker with but I'm more excited about these just because of the prospect of the numbers. Even if I never write one line of code that utilizes this board specifically, there are going to be hundreds of projects developed by hobbyists, teachers, students, etc that are going to target this particular chipset more than any other just based purely on the numbers game. And, I must admit jealously as an American, many UK students that take CS courses are going to come out of high school fully versed in this particular chipset with free time and college and on their hands to make exciting or entertaining projects with it. And the $25/$35 price point really enables that. I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience). And since I have five, one is hooked up to a USB drive with all my movies and music to my TV. Another is permanently attached to a monitor with a wireless keyboard and mouse. Another is simply on the network and I can SSH into it and run code on it.
Lastly I'd add that they are simple. Buy a $300 machine from Dell and watch something go bad on it at some point in time. There's not a lot to go bad on these devices but they haven't been around long enough to test their reliability of MTTF in the wild. So I could eat my words on that point but so far they run like a champ for me with no defects.
Frankly put, the pervasive nature of this product is going to make any code you write for it consumable by many people -- the demand is so high one can only speculate on how high that number will become. I'm definitely sending some of these to my younger cousins that have shown an interest in computer science and I hope the schools in the US make an effort to leverage these devices.
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"I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience)." ..why? isn't an arduino mega obtainable shipped to your house overnight(or in two) for the base price of pi?
in couple of years there's going to be plenty of similar offerings on the market. right now you can buy about similarly specced android boxes for 80-100 bucks or so if you order from china(that come with psu, remote controller etc).
Re:Piling on Some More Reasons (Score:4, Interesting)
Actually.... overall I prefer the aduino. The price on these is great for what you get but, as an educational/devel platform.... the issues with broadcom that are evident int he FAQ make this very unattractive.
The arduino is, at its heart, just a breakout for the atmega with a nice boot loader pre-burned. I can work up a design, then if I want to go into some manner of production and make alot...I can incorperate the atmega directly into my design, and go from a $30 part "development platform" to a $3 part with a few bits of support (crystal, voltage regulator...)
I can't do that with pi. I am stuck with a pi. I can develop on a pi but then, every time I want to replicate the design, its another pi.
Its great for what it is, and it may lead to the development of more fully open platforms but, for what I am looking at, I see little advantage over just getting a linux capable wifi router and starting from there. In fact, the wifi itself makes it even better.
But overall, for what I need, I also don't need much more than an atmega.
Re:Piling on Some More Reasons (Score:5, Interesting)
The Arduino and RPi are fundamentally two different kinds of device, and aren't really comparable other than both being low cost and both having GPIO pins. The RPi really is more low cost personal computer with easy to access GPIO, rather than a microcontroller development board. They both have their place.
The Broadcom issue (which although I like the RPi, grates with me) is lack of public documentation on the GPU. Having said that it is already known how to get a plain simple frame buffer and get it to boot into a roll-your-own-kernel of your own design (i.e. not a linux kernel) if you're not looking to use the advanced GPU features, so the situation is better than it was a while ago.
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Ahh I read through the FAQ but didn't realise that was just the GPU. Not so bad then.
Still it depends what you need it for, I see some uses for these. However, most of what I need is more in the arduino space. I kind of assumed if we were comparing the two, then we are not comparing on advanced features like the more general linux tools being available (which is huge) and the video support, which, is nice and great for some things, but not so useful for a lot of projects.
I don't mean to shit on the pi, its
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If you need video output or a fast CPU, get a Pi.
If you just want some I/O lines and simple development, get an Arduino.
Comparing the two by price is a bit disingenuous. You can roll-your-own Arduino for about $3 when you want to make a permanent device. That's ten Arduinos for every Pi.
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if I want to go into some manner of production and make alot...I can incorperate the atmega directly into my design, and go from a $30 part "development platform" to a $3 part with a few bits of support (crystal, voltage regulator...)
You don't really need either of those. ATmega chips have an internal 16Mhz clock and aren't very fussy about voltage. The only reason you'd need a regulator is if the things you connect to it need a regulated supply.
But yeah, a $3 chip and a piece of perf board are all you need for the production version of your Arduino project. You can even get the chips with less legs and make things really tiny, eg eight pin Arduino [sparkfun.com].
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"I'm much more daring with these boards because I have five of them (if I burned out my arduino mega that'd be a painful learning experience).
Be careful. The specs would indicate the Pi is *much* easier to trash than an Arduino.
The Mega is a bummer because it's only available in surface mount. The Arduino Uno chip can be replaced for $3 if you do bad things to it.
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Why would you use tiny one-board computer when full computers aren't that expensive and, for that matter, the price probably isn't issue. You can get much better devices that way.
I think people are too often thinking Raspberry Pi as a mini-sized desktop computer, while it mainly targets simple programming and a basis for various embedded projects. R-Pi more like a really powerful Arduino. It's painful to read stories about people trying to cram some full-fledged linux distro into it.
But yes, if you really want a general-purpose mini desktop machine with lots of bang for the buck, I recommend getting a used netbook and forgetting R-Pi.
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I think people are too often thinking Raspberry Pi as a mini-sized desktop computer,
To all those people:
It's got 256Mb RAM. I don't know how lean-and-mean their OS is but I doubt it can open more than a couple of windows before you run out. I'm not even sure Firefox could open a couple of pages without using it up.
When you run out of RAM you're swapping to an SD card. Think about that for a moment...
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In 1987 Amiga could open multiple windows simultaneously with just 0.5meg ram. And it was rather fast with only 7mhz.
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Yes, but there wasn't much in those windows. These days we expect more.
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Well mine is running XBMC very happily using raspbmc, and will output 1080p. It really wasn't that long ago that 256mb ram was decent. It isn't that snappy in a desktop environment, but really, we aren't talking about a particularly limited set of capabilities here.
Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:5, Informative)
First, there is inexpensive, and then there is lunch-money inexpensive. Once you get to the price of a couple $20 bills, it becomes an impulse buy, no need to budget it.
Second, size / heat / power draw are big issues (no fan).
Third, unlike many other ARM-based devices, this one boots directly off the SD card. So it makes it much harder to "brick" than, say, re-purposing a home router with a Linux distro. And, most of the other similar type devices don't have video / audio out, so they are only suitable for network use or as an embedded controller.
As for what projects I'm using this for:
1) Simple NAS type device to dump backups to -- I have a network based backup daemon running on it with a restricted protocol, which makes it very resilient to being attacked by malware on other boxes that I'm backing up.
2) My parents have an LCD TV in their kitchen -- I am planning on hooking one of these up so they can use it as a kitchen computer (wireless keyboard, look up recipes, play card games, etc).
3) Also, I can give one to my Dad to hook up as a spare computer, that would allow him to click on anything without getting into trouble (one of his friends is always forwarding stuff, some of which may link back to a drive-by download site).
Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:4, Insightful)
They are intended for teaching hacking.
$500 school computer: "Right kids, it's 3 to a keyboard for the duration of a lesson. You can sign up for access during after-school club. Don't break anything because the next lesson needs the computers too. We won't have the PC lab next week because Mr Jones' class wants to take a turn.
$500 home computer: "Don't break it, Mummy wants to use Facebook after you've gone to bed"
$25 board: The PTA has signed up a sponsor so every pupil gets their own.
Also the Pi is designed for really simple recovery. Flash a new SD card and start again with a clean slate.
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Re:Could someone please explain to me (Score:4, Informative)
Before you run too far with this, most kids will need more than $25 to get started. A monitor, keyboard etc. or a separate PC to ssh from. It all adds up.
True, but they Pi team observed that there's loads of keyboards and mice going to landfill. For a display, there's composite to an old TV (sounds awful, but we managed in the 80s/90s) HDMI to a new TV, or get a dedicated monitor. It *is* a shame the Pi has no analogue VGA for all the CRT VGA monitors going begging.
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They are intended for teaching hacking.
Unfortunately, the limiting factor for that isn't the available hardware. It's available teaching talent.
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Most of the hackers are self-taught. As soon as I got computer and learned that I can write my own programs, I've learned myself. Working with teacher would be too slow.
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I imagine the Pi is cheaper than the PIII after you factor in electricity costs...
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US is via Allied [alliedelec.com].
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I actually had gotten to an order page a while ago, this was way after the initial rush. Placed the order (Element 14) in April, and just got it last Friday. I also got an invitation to order it from RS about a couple weeks ago.
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The order site still says 12 weeks delivery time. Obviously the manufacturing ramp up is not keeping up with orders. Maybe removing the order limit is still a bad idea. Maybe just raising it to a few (schools can order more) would be better.
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When I got my order invitation a few weeks ago, they offered plastic cases of various colors with the RPi. I ordered a clear case.
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If you happen to buy regularly from Digikey, this one [digikey.com] might work for you @ $6.40 plus shipping.
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http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10516&p=119100&hilit=web+browsing#p118172 [raspberrypi.org]
Re:Not a toy (Score:4, Informative)
the other will be the file server for my business
Am I the only person who shuddered when reading that?
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the other will be the file server for my business
Am I the only person who shuddered when reading that?
Maybe.
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Hey guys, check it out, a spammer trying to spam a site when people can just hook up at your local porn shop's arcade.
I haven't seen anything funnier on here in a long time.