TSA Shuts Down Airport, Detains 11 After "Science Project" Found 537
OverTheGeicoE writes "A group of students and a professor were detained by TSA at Dallas' Love Field. Several of them were led away in handcuffs. What did they do wrong? One of them left a robotic science experiment behind on an aircraft, which panicked a boarding flight crew. The experiment 'looked like a cell phone attached to a remote control car with some exposed wires protruding.' Of course, the false alarm inconvenienced more than the traveling academics. The airport was temporarily shut down and multiple gates were evacuated, causing flight delays and diversions."
Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
When it comes to security (Score:2, Insightful)
There's no such thing as too much fear.
You're looking in the wrong place (Score:4, Insightful)
Before TSA (Score:1, Insightful)
How many things actually happened in the entire history of commercial flights before the TSA existed? And why do they still exist in light of that? Sheesh.
Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Zero.
Number of people nude Xrayed or sexually groped (on their breasts or crotch) or strip-searched or locked in glass jails for carrying breast milk or ..... (this list could go on several pages).
Millions.
I hope none of those machines were malfunctioning and ejected lethal doses. They are never checked. TIME TO END THE TSA. And the Fed (give the power back to the State central banks).
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Insightful)
The terrorists are strip-searching people with judicial approval.
Obligatory (Score:5, Insightful)
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
Because that way, more people click on it. Don't you know how news sales works?
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Insightful)
The terrorists are laughing up their sleeves.
Earth to Absent-minded Professor. Come in please.. (Score:5, Insightful)
What kind of moron takes something that "look[s] like a cell phone attached to a remote control car with some exposed wires protruding" onto an airplane?
Re:Before TSA (Score:3, Insightful)
How many things actually happened in the entire history of commercial flights before the TSA existed? And why do they still exist in light of that? Sheesh.
Doh! Wasn't logged in for some reason.
Re:Earth to Absent-minded Professor. Come in pleas (Score:5, Insightful)
What kind of moron takes something that "look[s] like a cell phone attached to a remote control car with some exposed wires protruding" onto an airplane?
What kind of moron LETS SOMEONE take something that look[s] like a cell phone attached to a remote control car with some exposed wires protruding" onto an airplane? I mean, if snow globes [salon.com] are verboten, how in the world could that contraption possibly get on board in the first place?
Another TSA Fail (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Earth to Absent-minded Professor. Come in pleas (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:When it comes to security (Score:5, Insightful)
The hilarity is that if the nerds really wanted to play havoc with US air travel, they could, and there's not a damn thing the TSA could do about it.
This is a bit suspicious. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:That sounds reasonable (Score:4, Insightful)
People leave stuff on planes. That's a fact. People carry weird looking electronics on board. That's a fact too. You can't scream bloody murder unless there's one. Just because someone has wires n'shit doesn't mean it's dangerous.
Re:That sounds reasonable (Score:4, Insightful)
Well, if the flight crew is freaking out, then either the TSA let it through or gave it the OK because it's ON THE PLANE.
Either the TSA's useless (for letting a bomb go through)
or the flight crew's panicking (for assuming the TSA let a bomb go through).
Lack of communication (Score:4, Insightful)
The same with the shooting in Florida. If both guys had just talked/asked questions that teenager would still be alive.
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Earth to Absent-minded Professor. Come in pleas (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
FTFY.
Re:It got on the plane (Score:5, Insightful)
If it got on the plane, someone checked it somewhere and gave it a thumbs-up. That makes it more likely to be a toy, just like it looked.
What's to say that when it passed through security it wasn't a cell phone, an RC car and wires with plugs on them - in different bags and/or from different people? I hate to be defending the TSA, but in this case I think it was perfectly reasonable to suspect this could be an airport/airplane assembled bomb. "Forgetting" it on board might be a way to make it blow up on the next flight rather than become a suicide bomber, honestly I have a hard time finding fault with suspected terrorist bombers being cuffed. Yeah of course it sucks for everyone affected when it turns out to be an innocent mistake but if they didn't react to this, what do you expect them to react to?
Soooo ... "exposed wires"? (Score:5, Insightful)
So if I put coloured epoxy over the wires so they cannot be seen ...
The point is that the people claiming that this looks like "a handmade explosive device" do not know what "a handmade explosive device" looks like.
It just looks UNUSUAL so they panicked.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
>>>The TSA sucks, but I can't say I disagree with their response in this case.
A little late don't you think? The TSA's job is to keep bomb-looking devices OFF the plane, not discover them 5 hours later after the flight is already over. If this was a real bomb* then it would have already been used. TSA == fail. (again)
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*I doubt terrorists will waste their time attacking airplanes with bombs. They'll go after soft targets like your home or factory. The best way to deal with them is to keep them OUT of the country in the first place (yes that means walls on both borders; enemies shouldn't be able to just walk in).
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:When it comes to security (Score:4, Insightful)
If everybody on Slashdot gets an old phone, opens it up and leaves it on a plane...
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
Carter was a disaster as a president. However, the Republicans since 1980 have made a point of nominating the dimmest bulbs in the box.
Reagan? Already senile. His was a Weekend At Bernie's presidency.
Bush the Elder? A retread, complete with barfing on foreign dignitaries.
Then they moved on. BobDole... yeah. Shrub the Younger, whose intelligence could be measured in scoops of raisin bran. McCain, who while a "war hero" from years prior basically campaigned like a zombie.
And then we get the "brain trust" of this latest batch. Herman "couldn't even make an edible pizza" Cain. Mitt "robber baron" Romney. Rick Sanctimonous, champion of home schooling and anti-science rants. Michelle "hehe, I went into law because my hubby said we were done having babies and I should make myself useful in the daytimes before his nightly blowjob" Bachmann. And of course Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich, who "historians" who have a running bet to top each other and misrepresent American history in a worse way.
A friend of mine has a better word for these sorts of idiots - they're known as Brain Donors. Kind of like kidney donors, they obviously donated a long while ago and somehow are alive without a functioning brain.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
Except this is proof that the TSA completely fucked up and didn't do their job. If the device was such that it would terrify (much more highly trained than the TSA goons) air crew, what the holy fuck was it doing on the plane in the first place, let alone in the cabin or outside of a container in cargo, with the power source disconnected?
What also pisses me off is that the passengers were the ones who were taken away and interrogated. I wonder: Did the TSA agents who fucked up also get taken into custody and subjected to interrogation?
If not, why not? Either through intent or incompetence they allowed this to happen. If it was intent, then they're clearly abetting terrorists, and if they're incompetent they shouldn't have jobs anymore.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
I like that. Who needs bombs when you can effectively DDoS the airport?
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:4, Insightful)
Taking down a plane is scary, and it would really suck for the people on the plane. Hijacking a plane and hitting a building with it is much worse.
Your argument is that if we didn't have the TSA, we'd not have any security, and that's incorrect. Keep the security we already have - scan the bags, metal detect the people, and be done with it. You can't scan for all the possible ways to make something explode, and any hijacking attempt is very likely to be stopped by passengers that are now aware of the problems (like both of the bombers that you mention).
9/11 happened because passengers figured the hijackers would make demands, and then they'd go land somewhere and the people would be free, because that's what typically happened with hijackings before then (I believe.. I may be picturing movies). There was no incentive to fight back, and risk of injury or death if they did. When the passengers on Flight 93 found out about the attacks in other places, they realized that they either fought back and maybe lived, or died in a fiery death and caused other people to be injured/die. They then tried to regain control of the plane. I don't think any hijackings with a conscious passenger cabin are likely to succeed for a very long time.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
And the Fed (give the power back to the State central banks).
I hate rider bills.... :)
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:3, Insightful)
You're mistaking a difference of opinion with bias. Yes, there's a difference. Go look it up.
And this complaining about the slashdot moderation is a really tired meme. The only time it gets brought up is by people who somehow care what their post is sitting at. Yes, it's a popularity contest. That's inherent in any moderation system. No, it doesn't mean that it automatically means that your beautiful snowflakishness is being unjustly trampled. It means that the majority think that what you wrote is dumb, uninformed or stupid. Yes, this is a vague judgment. Get over it.
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, it's more like "Lots of Americans hate THEIR GOVERNMENT." I actually love my country, and it's idiots, very much. Most of them are fairly kind and happy. But lawyers and CEOs are usually suspected of vile anti-social behavior (correctly) until proven innocent.
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it really so hard to believe that a mechanism connected to what looks like a cell phone could be a bomb?
Ask someone who has been in Iraq and Afghanistan (or Israel for that matter) what is frequently used to detonate IEDs remotely on command.
Honestly, I know that there are some pretty ineffective TSA regulations out there, and that there's a lot of security theater going on, but I'd rather look like a fool than let hundreds of people die on my watch. And frankly, what do you think many homemade bombs are, if not science projects taken to a murderous extreme?
Perhaps this was an overreaction, but nothing in the article provides facts other than the indignation of those inconvenienced.
I do have to wonder, though, where can we draw the line where stupid things like this don't happen to innocent people, but that real terrorists can't take advantage of those lines.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:1, Insightful)
It's a shame the big, bad horrible USSR didn't snuff her out. I wouldn't have to listen to libertardians quoting from the Gospel of Rand all the time.
Re:Soooo ... "exposed wires"? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
As I said to someone else, back when the Lite-Brite Mooninites panicked the Boston Police, the first rule of making a bomb, is to not make it look like a bomb. That's why IEDs get buried, stuffed into dead dogs, what have you. Around here, if you wanted to hide a bomb in plain sight, you'd stick it in a crumpled Dunkin Donuts bag.
Re:When it comes to security (Score:5, Insightful)
This isn't fear, it's pure stupid. They got it through airport security, on to a plane, flew to their destination, and *now*, suddenly, it's a f***ing danger to the entire state of Texas. Those TSA morons just showed stupid they are and how much they can over react. There used to be this thing called "Lost and Found", but today, if you leave anything anywhere around an airport, you're a Terrorist(tm).
Oh Pleezeee (Score:0, Insightful)
Grow up will ya?
Just because Ayn Rand got some things right doesn't make her an oracle, most of her ideals are garbage.
Hell, even those idiots who co wrote the Bible got a few things right too, but the rest is controlling crap.
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:You're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Insightful)
That was wartime. Different rules apply during war.
Was there a decade in the last century in which the US not at war with some country (or now, terrorist groups)?
And those 'innocent civilians'?
Uuuh, scare quotes. Yes, at least the vast majority of them, exceptions notwithstanding.
there's at least one documented case of them coming to the aid of a crashed Japanese pilot. Would you have the government just ignore that?
Are you seriously trying to justify the internment of a whole ethnic group because of the actions of one single individual?
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
I do have to wonder, though, where can we draw the line where stupid things like this don't happen to innocent people, but that real terrorists can't take advantage of those lines.
There is no such line, and I think that most Americans will agree that the one that has been drawn is much more in favor of stupid things like this happening to people than we would like to settle for.
The important thing to remember is that security is far from free - and the TSA continues to exclusively prove that the dollars being spent on its services only put people at greater risk by diverting funds from more effective investments.
Re:Number of actual terrorists blocked by TSA (Score:5, Insightful)
This was found on a plane right??
I think the biggest problem here is that the TSA at one airport cleared the device for carry-on (not checked) and that another airport goes apeshit when the same device, already approved, is left on the plane.
Where is the communication and common sense here? The TSA should have never let it on the plane as carry-on and checked it, with special instructions if you needed to go that far.
The TSA is responsible for creating the situation here.
Re:Scare quotes (Score:5, Insightful)
Didn't read TFA, so I'll answer based on the "data" here.
It's perfectly legitimate to assume that this is a bomb. Perfectly reasonable assumption to make. What isn't reasonable is the actual reaction.
Close half the airport? Why? Just taxi the airplane to somewhere remote and examine the object there. An airplane on the ground simply will not go up in flames due to a small bomb (and even if it does, if it's in a remote corner of the airport, let it).
Detain the people involved? Sure. But why handcuff students?
And, yes, I live in Israel. And, yes, I simply fail to see such a thing causing such a reaction here.
Shachar
Re:It's a crap, not justification. (Score:4, Insightful)
My feeling is that those TSA pigs wouldn't be happier. They found justification for their crap existence and secured some more of future funding for their parasitic operations
You know the US is no longer a First World country when a government agency can justify its existence by causing a huge economic loss for no real reason.