Turning Your E-Reader Into a Cheap Tablet 193
grahamsaa writes "NPR's Weekend Edition aired a story today on how rooting the Nook Color can turn it into a full fledged and relatively inexpensive Android tablet. The story claims that the process takes about half an hour, and only requires the purchase of a Nook and a microSD card, and points listeners to a YouTube tutorial on how to root the device. Could this signal a change in how mainstream users see devices like this? Could rooting Android devices like the Nook ever become mainstream?" We ran a story about this in December, and I haven't seen a flood of hacked readers anywhere so I doubt that tablet makers have anything to worry about.
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For not suing everybody like Sony is.
These are not the 'droids you are seeking. Nothing to see. Move along.
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SHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! :P
What are you thinking?! You're gonna jinx it!
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Nook has been going that way for a while. Shortly after I got mine they upgraded the web browser to release status rather than beta. They included a chess program and audio player with the release as well. I've been wondering how long it was going to take them to include at least basic programs like a to do list or calendar program.
Mind you that's the Nook WiFi without the fancy color screen, the one with a color screen seems even more of a no brainer.
I suspect what's going on here is that Barnes & Nobl
Re:Thumbs up to Barnes and Noble (Score:5, Insightful)
They plan to make money selling books, not book readers. The more readers they sell, the cheaper each one is to manufacture, and the more readres they sell. People who root aren't very likelyt o buy books, but the cheaper the price, the more people who will buy books will buy readers.
Plus, B&N are a brick & mortar store, and always have been. Unlike Amazon, where having employees dealing one on one with customers is an expense to be minimized, at B&N, it's the whole point.
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well that and in the barnes and noble i was in the other day the lady behind the counter told the customer who was buying one, is that you just had to follow some instructions on a website and you could do so much more.
Of course this Barnes and noble was on a tech college campus, so it isn't that surprising.
It's ok, Microsoft into the breach... (Score:3)
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video playback doesn't work quite right, bluetooth doesn't work quite right, but both of them work. By late april it should be a clear winner, and that will make the decision much easier.
And people on here wonder why the general populous just wants an iPad.
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Wait. You're actually comparing a rooted and hacked e-reader hobbyist project to the ipad? Wow. Just wow.
Uh... so now people aren't reading the summary? The parent post had a good reason for comparing it to a mainstream tablet. Here ya go, just the relevant lines (emphasis is mine):
"Could this signal a change in how mainstream users see devices like this? Could rooting Android devices like the Nook ever become mainstream?"
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Wait. You're actually comparing a rooted and hacked e-reader hobbyist project to the ipad? Wow. Just wow.
Sorry, I don't understand why you're so 'shocked' by the comparison. Both products are tablets. That one is a hobbyist project is what makes the article interesting.
Spec wise, it's not far off from the iPad and even matches some iPad 2 specs. 512mb ram, 800 MHz A8 processor (OC to 1.1GHz), muti-touch display, expandable 8GB flash.
The iPad and iPad2 seem to be popular right now with tablet enthusiasts, so why not make the comparison?
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Where did he imply that the iPad owes any of its success to the relative quality of a nook color? I know it's Sunday and everybody's hungover but, really?
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video playback [on the nook color] doesn't work quite right, bluetooth doesn't work quite right, but both of them work. By late april it should be a clear winner, and that will make the decision much easier.
And people on here wonder why the general populous just wants an iPad.
What he said. Emphasis mine.
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I think you missed his (admittedly trollish) point.
He was saying that the drooling masses just want an iPad rather than having to dick around with rooting an NC (since taking that 5-10 minutes out of their day makes them cry), not that rooting NCs makes people want iPad's more.
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Well, been there, done that. I'm generally happy with the results. I thought I'd address the issue with playing videos, then make a few remarks about the advisability of rooting your Nook.
I have not had a problem with playing videos I transcoded from DVD, but it took a little fiddling to get the transcoding details right. Thus far I've had pretty good results with the following (on Linux);
(1) Rip the DVD program to a file like so:
mplayer dvd://1 -dumpstream -dumpfile myfile
This takes the first program (dvd://1) on the DVD, dumps the video and audio (-dumpstream) to a file you specify (myfile). I do this so I can muck around with the transcoding.
(2) Transcode the file into H264 baseline profile like so:
ffmpeg -i myfile -threads 0 -vcodec libx264 -acodec aac -strict experimental -ab 128k -vpre hq -vpre baseline -b 600k myVideo.mp4
Your distro may require "-acodec libaac" instead, and you might want to double the audio bit rate ("-ab 256k") if you really care about the sound. Expect the transcoding to take several hours.
The results are very good, more than acceptable as far as the video is concerned. The picture has snap and is for the most part motion is smooth. Dark scenes with continuous variations in tone tend to get blotchy, but not as bad as I've had trancoding DVDs to MPEG-4 for my iPod. If there is a lot of busy action in a dark scene you lose some detail. The aspect ratio doesn't match the Nook screen, and for some reason the video does not quite scale to the full width of the screen, although that hardly matters.
The audio is OK out of the speakers (considering) but sounds distorted through headphones -- at least a good pair. This is probably the fault of the experimental aac codec on Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit. You could try encoding to MP3 with LAME instead; I think that should work and should sound good enough for most mortal ears. Alternatively you could go to 256K AAC audio encoding with "-ac 256" and see if the sound's a bit cleaner. I haven't got around to messing with that, but if I can get the audio just right I'd be delighted with the Nook for playing transcoded DVDs.
In any case, I figured this out just out of cussedness. If playing video is really important to you, perhaps you should get a real, more expensive tablet. The main reason I rooted my Nook was to get access to my Kindle library. I found that computer books on the Kindle sucked. This is largely a matter of sloppy conversion, but source code and tables are often provided as images rather than text, and even where provided as text source code is often unreadable on the Kindle. Ironically, I found the iPhone app to be better for reading Kindle computer books than the Kindle. The Nook's screen is a little more fatiguing for long reading sessions than the Kindle, but it's much easier to see diagrams, especially color, but not *just* color. Text tables are a lot easier to make out.
One fault of the Nook reader app is that you can't zoom in on images (although they're more usable than on the Kindle even though you *can* zoom in on that). But if you read your *Kindle* books on the Nook, the Kindle reader for Android allows you to zoom in. So again, Kindle books that rely on illustrations are more usable in the Kindle app running on a rooted Nook than they are either on the Kindle itself or in the Nook reader, which is too bad. I'm trying to support B&N by buying books through the Nook store.
The only other minor issue with using a rooted Nook as a tablet is that unless the method you choose installs a custom tablet UI, you're going to deal with the fact that the Nook lacks the hardware buttons Android 2.x expects a phone to have (search,menu,home, back). The hack I used installed a small on-screen button that brings up a soft menu version of these. It works, but it is not elegant.
My summary: I wouldn't buy the Nook color with the intention of rooting it and using it as a tablet. In a tablet I'd bluetooth and some kind of provision for A/V out. However it's a darn good eReader, and if you have it you might as well root it and be able to use it as a tablet and a Kindle reader too.
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You think video playback on e-ink is like a temple? I thought it was kindof a lame idea, myself.
But then you don't think it will work.
You seem confused. I prescribe more time at the Wat.
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The trademark feature of the E-ink version of the Nook is that it ALSO has a small LCD display. Your not going to be able to play videos on the big screen, but there's no reason you can't watch them on the tiny one. Now, whether or not there's a point to that may be another question, but the option is there.
People are definitely rooting both versions of the Nook, E-Ink and Color.
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And the Nook Color, as ThatsMyNick mentioned above, has only the LCD screen -- no e-ink. It's bad for battery life while reading, but great if you want to make it a tablet.
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Nook Color uses an LCD, but the regular Nook uses E-Ink, hence the confusion.
BTDT (Score:3)
Overat Slatedroid.com, they've been turning the Pandigital Novel Reader into a full Android tablet for over a year now. During this past holiday season, discounts brought the price to around $70 - for this 7" color tablet.
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And it sucks. Really it does. Only the latest release fixes the sleep problem. And the tablet is slow as hell, the wireless weak as hell and slow as molasses...
I have one here all hacked and the hacked market installed... I dont like waiting for everything to load and reading large PDF's on it is a exercise in pain....
Hacking these is great, but they are low end hardware packages. Android needs 1.2ghz or higher and a lot more ram than these things come with.
More likely to signal a change in Nook design (Score:4, Informative)
Could this signal a change in how mainstream users see devices like this?
Its more likely to signal an upcoming change in Nook design and/or software.
Could rooting Android devices like the Nook ever become mainstream?"
Perhaps after the Linux desktop becomes mainstream.
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As far as who will hack it, it may be more than we think. People who have no clue how o install an OS are hacking the iPhone. Of course, a many average users are incapable of following simple instructions, or conceptualizing how a computer works, so they will not be hacking.
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I don't see how this is bad for B&N. Unless the hack destroys the DRM of the books, anything that will increase sales of the nook will keep B&N one extra step from bankruptcy.
You can install the Kindle app on a rooted Nook Color.
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That's really not that big of a deal. B&N opted to go with what was intended to be the standard for ebooks, as in epub, they knew that people would be buying from other stores. It's mostly Amazon's short sightedness that this isn't already possible.
OTOH, rooting Nook and removing the links to their store would hurt B&N, but I doubt that it's going to be common enough for them to worry about.
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even if you replace the full OS, you can always then install the B&N android app on you now android tablet from the android marketplace.
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If you like the Nook as a reader, unfortunately, that's hardly comparable, if for no greater reason than none of the decent reader apps, Nook reader app included, seems capable of reading the nook's /media partition (they all seem trapped in /sdcard which is annoying as hell).
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I don't see how this is bad for B&N. Unless the hack destroys the DRM of the books, anything that will increase sales of the nook will keep B&N one extra step from bankruptcy.
If they sell them at a loss, however... If the Nook is a reasonable tablet for $250, why aren't other companies selling them at similar prices?
As far as who will hack it, it may be more than we think. People who have no clue how o install an OS are hacking the iPhone. Of course, a many average users are incapable of following simple instructions, or conceptualizing how a computer works, so they will not be hacking.
The only numbers I could find are from 2009. Less than 7% of iPod touches and iPhones were jailbroken then. It's worth noting that this was before multitasking was brought to iOS, and also before WiFi hotspot sharing, both of which were major reasons people gave for jailbreaking. Also, these are earlier adopters than those buying iOS devices today, so of the 100 mill
No, this isn't going to become mainstream (Score:3)
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That's essentially illegal in most of the world. There's all sorts of bureaucratic stuff you have to go through if you want to drive on public roads. Not to mention the hassle of getting the thing licensed and probably emission tested as well.
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That's essentially illegal in most of the world. There's all sorts of bureaucratic stuff you have to go through if you want to drive on public roads. Not to mention the hassle of getting the thing licensed and probably emission tested as well.
Sadly, in most of the (3rd) world, most manufacturers only pay lip service (or a small bribe) to get the environmental license or whatnot they need to get their product out into the street.
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You can also find books and websites about how to build your own car, but hardly anybody does that, statistically speaking.
Well, there's a big price difference between a car and a Nook, so I won't be surprised that fewer people are into car building vs. Nook modding. In the First World, that is.
In the developing world, all sorts of "car-like" vehicles get "built" out of used car parts imported or sneaked in through a country's ports. A good example would be the "jeepney" [wikipedia.org] of the Philippines or the songthaew [wikipedia.org] of Thailand. There are also variants of three-wheeled vehicles (tricycles) that adapt the motorcycle into the equivalent o
I love my Nook Color (Score:4, Interesting)
I currently own a nook color that I rooted with Eclair (2.1). For me I wanted something in between a phone and a full laptop for when I am sitting around in waiting rooms. It serves this purpose perfectly. I would not give this tablet to anyone who tech illiterate though, as it is still rough around the corners. Given that the hack is only a few months old, I am extremely impressed with its current abilities, especially with its low price tag, and am eager to see how it continues to progress. Some of the cons are that it is not 3G, does not have a camera, and its sensors may be lacking or the hack making them available seems to be lacking. Though the hack does bring some entirely new functionality to the Nook. It was found that the WiFi chip also includes Bluetooth which is turned off in software. It is now available in some of the ROM's and now provides the ability for Bluetooth keyboards and SIP calling.
Overall, I could not be happier with a $200 tablet. It really does everything I need it to do and then some. It has decent battery life and retains all of the standard Nook functionality in addition to the features provided by rooting it. I consider it a great value when compared to the Galaxy tab as I find it difficult rationalizing the missing features are worth an additional $400. Moreover, so far it seems that B&N have been amenable to people rooting their Nook. As they should, since I buy books from B&N that I wouldn't have previously, and am encouraging others to buy their hardware and books because of their attitude towards the hacking community and the versatility of their hardware.
It really seems like one of those rare situations where everyone is winning. Fortunately, B&N doesn't seem to be in a hurry to shoot themselves in the foot with both barrels, a la, Sony, etc.
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Agreed. Awesome hardware and functionality for the price. My only gripe is that I've been so spoiled by the responsiveness of my Apple products that I can't fully enjoy my Nook Color for its comfortable to hold size and elegant package. At 800MHz w/ 512MB RAM it's plenty snappy when actually executing stuff. It's doing exotic things like scrolling a web page that make it feel like watching a hand-cranked silent film. Seriously, Google, give up on your software rendering fetish already. I know you're trying
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i think we're overestimating the Slashdot effect here. B&N plans to sell hundreds of thousands of these things. The geek community who actually buy these things explicitly to root them might rank in a few thousand. :-) they might even attract a few extra buyers - i'll be needing a small computer for travelling later in the year. The lack of 3G isn't really an issue because roaming is expensive and at least in Argentina they wouldn't sell me 3G on a prepaid SIM. (Wifi in bars an
Do they ship to australia?
Ask Slashdot: Ebay Chinise Tablet "EPAD" (Score:2)
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I believe these mostly have resistive touch screens rather than capacitative ones. If you're fine with a stylus ...
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Slashdot != NPR (Score:2)
Not only is the nook color a tablet ... (Score:2)
It is also one of the best tablets. Currently, outside of the xoom, the only one in the wild that runs Honeycomb.
Most of the development takes place in slatedroid.com and xda-developers.com.
The sad state of Android tablets, is that community firmwares are light-years ahead of factory defaults.
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Right, because Motorola and Samsung don't give a shit what happens with the software on your device after you pay for it. There's no revenue for them in providing updates to the latest-and-greatest software, so you can expect them (as a rule) to refuse to provide any upgrades except bare-minimum security support.
When you decouple the software from the hardware maker (like Android), you automatically crea
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I don't agree with your statement that there is no revenue in providing updates.
If somebody offered a very high quality phone, with great hardware (better than the iphone), with upgradeable memory and processor, user-replaceable battery, and some sort of slot to add 3G, and in the future replace that card with 4G/5G etc. and offered 10 years of software upgrades, then that company would have a great selling point, and it would be able to outsell even Apple. Create a phone that you can upgrade, allow us to u
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No, they wouldn't have a great selling point, because the device they were offering to sell would cost orders of magnitude more than it does today, and very few people would be willing to buy it. This is the reason they still haven't built a car that will run for 500,000 miles with virtually no maintenance and get 100 miles to the gallon.
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Modularity has costs.
You want to replace the CPU?
Ok - you need a ~400 pin socket, a clip to hold the CPU down, an adaptor to hold that CPU, as it's not designed to be socketed.
This adds weight, unreliability, and volume.
You want to add a hole for upgradable wireless - it gets even more complex.
You have to pick ahead of time the volume for this hole - which will mean wasting space, as you need to leave some spare.
You need an internal lining for this hole. You need a hole in the structure, which weakens it an
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Certainly, and my comment should not be taken as a statement that Android was the one to invent this model. I'm simply pointing out that you can expect the "community updates" to be light years ahead of the "manufacturer defaults" as a result of this model, pretty much forever. Android tablets absolutely haven't invented this model, and given the state of Android phone support from manufacturers, you can expect the tablets to follow the same model.
No manufacturer is going to spend a bit more time than the
Nook Color could satiate desire for iPads (Score:2)
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Past the minor border discrepancies in some things that depend on orientation, and the occasional lag on the accelerometer info, the Honeycomb image works pretty well, all things considered (It's such that I question them holding back the full release of the typically FOSS portions of the distribution for 3.0...seriously...). No, it's not for John Q. Public- but if you're rooting the thing, you're already more technically advanced and can manage with the "pre-release" version on the thing.
The rooting process takes less than 5 minutes (Score:2)
You don't need to root it to use as a tablet (Score:2)
Read that too fast (Score:2)
Thought the headline said "Turning your E-Reader into a Cheap Toilet" at first. LOLed.
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~doubletake~
Wow! That's what I saw too. I'm actually surprised to discover it wasn't just me.
Mainstream in the same way iPhone unlocking is (Score:2)
Rooting Android devices (Nook or otherwise) will never become truly mainstream. The more it's mentioned in the news though, the more this will become mainstream in the iPhone-unlocking sense of the word. The average user knows that it's possible and has a friend, or a friend-of-a-friend that can root it for them, but has neither the inclination or knowledge to root it themselves. The ultimate effect is the same though.
Rooting Aluratek and Kobo? (Score:2)
Where are instructions for rooting the Kobo or Aluratek ereaders?
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"Could this signal a change in how mainstream users see devices like this? Could rooting Android devices like the Nook ever become mainstream?"
No, it can't signal *anything* with regards to being mainstream. Geeks will do this, perhaps many thousands, but it's completely impossible for something like this to become mainstream. You guys know how you are always complaining about "idiots" who can't run their computer, and how you often install Firefox on their computers, give it a blue 'e' icon and name it "In
Why bother? Other android tablets out there (Score:2)
I started looking at the nook color, but decided against it. Why bother with a device you have to jump though hoops to make a capable device, when there are decent full fledged android tablets out there for the same price? The Archos 70 is fairly popular, has similar specs, is slightly cheaper, and EVERYTHING WORKS, you don't have to wait for hacks to get peripherals working...
I give Archos credit for their 250gb hdd model, as even apple doesn't seem to have figured out multimedia is a killer app for the
The big question: why not root initially? (Score:2)
There should be more systems following the lead of the Nokia N900 which you do not have to "jailbreak" because you have full access to start with.
Half Hour? (Score:3)
Heh... It took all of about 10-15 minutes tops. I've been running Honeycomb on it for a bit now and I must say that while the build's got rough edges, it's good enough to allow me to properly target the games I want to make to the upcoming tablets as well as to phones.
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From someone that has done this and used a Galaxy tab for a short time... It's not the same, not even close. the Nook Color is slow as molasses compared to the Galaxy tab or even a 1st gen ipad.
It's a great hack for the poor, but useability is very low due to the limited ram and really slow processor.
IF all you want to do is run the facebook app and the twitter app along with your ebooks, it's great. If you think you will use it as a full-on tablet.... well get used to S-L-O-W.....
Re:Full Fledged Android Tablet? (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/nook-color-technical/3483-nookcolor-full-specifications.html [androidtablets.net]
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_p1000_galaxy_tab-3370.php [gsmarena.com]
In addition rooting allows overclocking the Nook Color which greatly increases the speed.
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What he said was that usability is low because of a combination of two things:
* limited RAM
* really slow processor
Perhaps the Galaxy Tab's faster processor makes up partially for the limited RAM. Maybe there are other differences.
I remember back in the old days when this place was filled with nerds.
Lesson finished, get... off... my... lawn!!!
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Re:Full Fledged Android Tablet? (Score:4, Interesting)
The one useful thing about root-ing it, other than giggles, might be underclocking it even more to improve the battery life.
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Unless you can also reduce the core voltage (Score:3)
Most of those embedded systems don't have a programatically (or automatically) controllable core voltage rail. In that case (given a constant voltage), the speed increase is linearly proportional to F, so you're better off just getting your stuff over and done with and then going into idle.
If the core voltage is configurable, then underclocking becomes significantly more useful as power consumed is proportional to V squared. Since decreasing the operational voltage generally also requires the clock rate to
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In addition the processor can be clocked faster than the default under-clock the device comes with. I get a quandrant score of 1164 which is slightly better than the Galaxy Tab's score of 1064.
There are other differences such as having 3g and bluetooth out of the box but t
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Re:Full Fledged Android Tablet? (Score:5, Interesting)
Uh it has the same memory as a galaxy tab and can be overclocked to 1ghz. While the arm core may not be as fast as a galaxy, it can't be nearly as slow as my ancient G1 at 600mhz, which is happily running froyo at the moment and has the least amount of RAM of any android device. (192MB) If 512mb in android isn't enough for you maybe you need to lay off all the widgets and background apps stealing CPU cycles. I would imagine that a lean Nook running froyo would be more than just usable.
The galaxy tab is nice, but also over twice the price of a nook. For some speed isn't everything. I mean what are we really talking about here? Another 2-5 seconds to load a web page? Another 2-3 seconds to load an app? Does everything have to be immediate? I don't see the appeal of the tab either. The honeycomb based tablets are the next generation. It will be interesting when that level of hardware starts hitting close to the price of a nook now.
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From someone that has done this and used a Galaxy tab for a short time... It's not the same, not even close. the Nook Color is slow as molasses compared to the Galaxy tab or even a 1st gen ipad.
It's a great hack for the poor, but useability is very low due to the limited ram and really slow processor.
IF all you want to do is run the facebook app and the twitter app along with your ebooks, it's great. If you think you will use it as a full-on tablet.... well get used to S-L-O-W.....
My rooted Nook Color has replaced the iPad (1st gen) tablet that I had and has done everything I wanted to do with a tablet. With the Groupon deal, $125 for the Nook Color was a steal and it allowed me sell the iPad before the price drop, recouping my investment and I couldn't be happier. I had thought the screen being smaller would be a problem, but honestly, the ability to hold the tablet in one hand outweighs the extra screen real estate. I thought I would be compromising the tablet experience I had w
Re:Full Fledged Android Tablet? (Score:4, Informative)
I use it for reading books, PDF's, Church Applications (a nice Scripture program), taking notes, calendaring, news apps, irc and some games.
It experiences glitches less than my Android phone but others experience may be diffeerent.
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Courier was never a real product. It was never a prototype. It never made it to the demo stage. If you look at any of the "demos" you'd see that all the screens and animations were simulated. It's sorta like saying you wish that Dr. Emmett Brown actually made a time-traveling DeLorean.
Even if somehow had made Courier, it would have made a terrible reader. Judging by the sheer horsepower required for the Courier, it probably would not have been battery efficient. Also MS would have probably picked OLED
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Now take them on a plane with you.
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to back this thought up, consider how you use books that are spirally bound. When holding in hand and reading, you flip the page all the way around and look at a single sheet.
A single screen, in a portrait layout is just about right. 7"-10" seems to be the best range. ideally about 10-16oz, which is the #1 reason the iPad is not great for reading books, it is just too heavy. #2 being that the screen wears on the eyes after about an 1 hour of reading where eink is comfy for much longer. I have read for 8+ h
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book reading and reference material are opposite ends of the spectrum of book use. Thats why I specifically said 'when holding in hand and reading', not while doing research or assignments etc.
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It depends on how many of the cool features are encumbered by patents.
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I'm not saying that NPR is going to cause B&N to run out of stock, but they did just expose the idea to a new segment of people, who might just be interested enough to try. It also represents the idea of rooting a device starting to drift out of nerd circles, which is interesting and probably a good thing.
While it will likely result in some number of additional rooted Nooks, it will primarily only be done by geeks who heard this story and finally decided to give it a try.
Rooting will never go mainstream. If the idea does "drift out of nerd circles" it will not be a good thing, it'll be a very bad thing. You think you are bothered too much as it is right now fixing people's computers? Now imagine those people rooting their tablets. That can't end well.
Fortunately, it's not going to happen in any significant n