B&N Nook Successfully Opened 275
garg0yle writes "A team has managed to open the Barnes and Noble Nook e-reader, gaining full access to the operating system. From the article: 'The Nook is now a computer running a full Android operating system, with a built-in, free cellular connection to the internet. It also has a battery that lasts days, not hours.' They are documenting their progress on the Nook Devs wiki."
How soon (Score:2)
until this whole operation gets blocked? I might have to snag one now before BN gets wise to this.
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BN won't do anything, AT&T will. They'll simply limit Nook's to specific peer's so they can continue to be used for book purchases but not for general web access.
Re:How soon (Score:5, Insightful)
Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
Re:How soon (Score:5, Funny)
Free internet? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. See the problem is cellular Internet costs money. Even if you don't think corporations should be allowed to make a profit, it is still going to cost money. You have to have a large network of radio towers to broadcast the signal, those have to be wired back in to a robust network to route the data, which has to be connected to the Internet at large. Of course all that doesn't maintain itself once built, things break, people need to fix it and look after it.
That all costs money, as such, access is going to have to cost money.
So, why is access "free" on things like the Kindle and Nook? Well it isn't. What happens is that Amazon or Barnes and Noble pick up the cost. There are two reasons they can do this:
1) Usage is low. Since access is used only for searching for, or downloading, new books as well as a smattering of other things like news, it isn't all that much. That means they aren't having to pay out a whole lot per device.
2) A large part of the usage has a profit associated with it, namely buying books. Thus each time you use the wireless to get a book, they make some money.
This leads to a situation where it is feasible to offer it to customers at no charge.
However, if you start using it as general purpose Internet, to browse whatever you want, to download files, to play games, that breaks down. Suddenly cost goes up a whole lot, and less (or perhaps none) of the activity generates any money. As such it can't be sustained. They have to restrict it, shut it down, or charge.
Things in life aren't free. If you think everyone should just give everything away, well that shows a real lack of understanding of how the world works (and a good indication you've never had to provide for yourself).
Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Interesting)
Doesn't that sound like any reasonable plan?
Instead, they create a device that could do what you want, but is limited by DRM and artificial restrictions. That is just asking for the device to be opened up, and now they've created the problem they could have solved by simply pricing bandwidth appropriately and increasing their revenue stream.
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You could - but product differentiation is a pretty important marketing concept. Neither Amazon nor B&N particularly wants to conflate their devices with netbooks.
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Solution: Don't buy one. It's not like these are life and death matters here where you can somehow morally justify stealing something.
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If you don't, they will go with another product or create a solution for themselves out of the materials that they have.
Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
The Nook is an eBook reader and that is all is aspires to be. That is it's business model. There is room in this world for specialized devices (they don't ALL have to all be general purpose) and I certainly think companies should have the option of creating special business arrangements (such as a constant cellular connection supported by book purchases) to support those devices.
Of course AT&T will lock this down. That is the right think to do so that those people who DO want a device such as this is, will be able to get it.
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The current problem is that I (and obviously a few others) really would like a netbook with an e-ink screen. There currently isn't a device for sale (that I am aware of) that provides this. But there are devices for sale that could provide this.
The problem we have isn't with them providing a niche product, it's that there isn't an equivalent general purpose product available. The only current way to solv
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I, OTOH would like a eInk screen without a damn cellular modem, or wifi, or anything that increases the by 100 dollars costs for the dubious ability to instantly download books. Give me a damn USB connection.
I survived decades during which I had to go to the library or bookstore to get books, I think I can continue to exist while not having the ability to instantly buy them. So don't talk to me about 'niche' markets. Mine doesn't exist yet, for some reason.
However, what we're talking about here is the fac
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In criminal law (such as the rape you alluded to), sure. But we're talking about contract law here. "She was asking for it" is not only an acceptable argument, it's pretty much the canonical argument that all others simplify to!
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really? can you give an example?
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Actually, they do this the same way you can prevent useful tethering on "smartphone only" plans. You pick a gateway and lock it down - the gateway only allows you to connect to certain sites,
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Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
However, if you start using it as general purpose Internet, to browse whatever you want, to download files, to play games, that breaks down. Suddenly cost goes up a whole lot, and less (or perhaps none) of the activity generates any money. As such it can't be sustained. They have to restrict it, shut it down, or charge.
Things in life aren't free. If you think everyone should just give everything away, well that shows a real lack of understanding of how the world works (and a good indication you've never had to provide for yourself).
If this is a free market, then as a consumer it is none of my concern how the supplier intends to make money. Nor is it my responsibility to use a product in such a way as to maintain the supplier's sustainability. This does not make me a crook. I'm merely trying to maximize the deal for myself. If this seems somehow unethical, consider that the same applies to the supplier. They need not concern themselves with such things as whether or not their products benefit society as a whole or whether a customer can really afford to buy such an offering.
So anyway, consumer wanting as much as possible for as little as he can is 1/2 of what makes a free market free. That doesn't make customer or supplier immature. To say otherwise shows a lack of understanding of the free market and an indication of a lack of sophistication as a consumer -- sorry, couldn't resist the symmetrical dig ;)
Perhaps if all consumers and all suppliers were to take the long view, the socially responsible view, that might be good. But without laws to enforce this on all parties (and restrict the free market), I just can't afford to put myself at a competitive disadvantage vs. suppliers or other consumers. Can't feed my family or pay the bills with smug self-satisfaction or inner holiness.
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Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
Giving things away is not socially responsible, and definitely not fiscally. If no one ever pays for anything, no one has a reason to maintain it and your free 3G network would very quickly be overwhelmed and be burnt to a crisp.
Re:Someone else who wants somethign for nothing (Score:5, Insightful)
Hmm, that's a lot of ad hominems and anger in response to a post that was completely correct!
As the GP said, the reason Kindle/Nook are allowed free access to the cell networks is because Amazon and B&N reached an agreement with the cell networks to provide a certain level of service at a certain cost point. I don't think either Amazon or B&N whoever are currently interested in making the Kindle or Nook general purpose computers with tiered pricing schemes, etc, and I'm absolutely certain that the terms of the deals they reached with e.g. Verizon would be VERY different if this was the model they were pushing. In other words, it would completely change the cost structure of the Kindle and Nook for the consumer.
The products are locked down so that this doesn't happen. Do I like it? No. I also don't plan on getting a Kindle or Nook. It's silly to believe that fundamentally changing the nature of the Kindle or Nook wouldn't fundamentally change the price structures involved (and probably making it less attractive to many consumers)
If the devices were open to begin with, they'd be a lot more expensive.
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Free? Why do you think it (and the Kindle) cost $250? You pay for the internet access when you buy the thing.
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The internet is paid for by the book purchases, with the carrier receiving a percentage of that. Any margin on the device goes to BN/Amazon.
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It's a little of both really. In some instances the sale of ebooks don't actually make enough money to pay for the cost to transfer them over. Like during roaming. And you can still use the cellular even if you never buy a book on it, there is a small but significant minority of customers who buy one or two books and then only use the free browser and download free books. There are a lot of accounting tricks to say that free books come out of a marketing budget. And users that don't buy books come out of so
And so it begins (Score:2)
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Or they'll just block them entirely, void the warranty (because it was messed with...) and have Barnes and Noble file 'Network Access Restoration' under 'Warranty Service'.
Brilliant move AT&T! (Score:4, Insightful)
nookDevs is down, naturally (Score:2)
I may? Oh, joy!
And so it begins.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Welcome to the Arms Race, Android and Nook. Enjoy your stay.
Now I have to get one of these, mod it, install the teathering package that I have on my G1 and I'm set... Read books AND provide random WiFi Hotspot...
Who's going to make the Android App that will allow me to use this thing to track my D&D 3.5/4.x character? ;)
lol (Score:4, Funny)
Re:lol (Score:5, Funny)
dude, nobody here wants to hear about your mom...
Jailbroken! (Score:2)
Can I attach this term to the Nook now too?
Beware! Root access to the world. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Beware! Root access to the world. (Score:4, Funny)
Along most of the American eastern and southern coasts, the word "nook" is slang for "vagina". That's why sex is sometimes referred to as "nookie".
So it's funny that these unlocked systems are leaving their ports wide open, ripe for molestation by intruders across the globe.
And suddenly, I want a nook. (Score:2)
And suddenly, I want a nook.
I was going to wait for the next gen, but the likelihood that B&N would keep it as accessible in the next hardware revision is about as much as Amazon buying these for all their employees.
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And suddenly, I want a nook.
...because you want to access B&N's book-buying servers to buy ebooks? If you all think this device will be a free portable Internet connection, think again. AT&T will shortly make all traffic from the Nook only routable to the B&N servers as originally intended. At that point, all you'll have is a Nook without a warranty.
Re:And suddenly, I want a nook. (Score:4, Insightful)
A Nook without a warranty, with an Android OS, and where the system is stored on a commodity memory card vs a ROM or proprietary storage method. A device that hasn't been TIVO'ed into only accepting signed system files, and which uses an OS with an active development community. For $300.
How worthless, how worthless indeed.
Free wireless means squat to me, I'm not a traveling man, I'm either at work or at home 90% of my life.
Free Cell Connection? "Yes, but don't do that." (Score:3, Insightful)
We've been down this road before [slashdot.org].
Don't do that. Pushing the connection to carry things it wasn't meant to is pretty much theft of service, and it will get pushback from rightfully upset providers, and maybe more from policymakers who see hackers who can't behave themselves.
Do what you'd like with the devices and/or media that you've purchased, but recognize that there's a line of fairness and don't cross it.
Re:Free Cell Connection? "Yes, but don't do that." (Score:4, Interesting)
It takes a SIM card, so really there's no excuse for using B&N's internet. Get an appropriate SIM and use your own.
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At which point you're paying for it. Which is fine, but a bit more expensive (approx $600/year) than using B&N's.
Will it take another SIM? (Score:2)
The unit has a SIM slot, hopefully it will take another SIM. Then you can buy service from someone who supports tethering (is there anyone doing that on GSM? heh) if you need that feature. Otherwise, configure your Linux side to perform all communications via WiFi somehow, and you won't have a problem with abusing their network. I don't know if this will increase uptake significantly, but I certainly wouldn't consider buying any such device that I wasn't able to load Linux on.
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Unfortunately it seems culture these days follows the "if it can be exploited for my own gain I must exploit it and should not be held responsible for exploiting it no matter what damages my actions cause" mentality.
I don't own either of those readers but if I did I'd really appreciate the planless cellular connection. I'd be very annoyed if some people lacking in self restraint caused the companies to disable the cellular connection or force a data plan on someone who wanted to continue using the cellular
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If those 3G connections are not VPNed exclusively to B&Ns servers that is criminally stupid.
More criminally stupid than sticking an Open Source Operating System (or OSOS as I like to say) on a removable storage device, and unlocking the full potential only requires the altering of 1 word in 1 file?
Re:Not really (Score:5, Insightful)
No that's ethically brilliant and something I plan on rewarding them for with my dollars.
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For the 1 week of free Internet access? Whoever the provider is, (AT&T or whoever) WILL shut it down.
Either they'll find a way to block opened Nooks, or they'll force a patch onto Nook's and disallow access to unpatched Nook's, and the patch will essentially either lock you into the closed system or shut off your internet access.
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If they were smart, they would treat it as a regular cell phone, and charge you a hefty monthly data fee for general internet access, while still keeping access to the B and N site free. And B and N would open an application store.
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About the same as any other jailbroken IPhone, smart-phone, dataphone, Web-phone or handheld device.
MicroSD card? (Score:3, Insightful)
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And it makes it trivial to upgrade the storage later...
Oblig. Penny-Arcade (Score:4, Funny)
The battery... (Score:2)
I'd like to see how long the battery lasts during heavy internet use.
Days? Sorry, but I just don't think so. My Kindle DX battery lasts about two weeks, as long as I don't have wireless on and only read 1-2hrs a day. If wireless is on, substantially less. If I'm *using* the wireless a lot, even less than that.
So, let's leave the hyperbole out of the summary, shall we?
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It's a quote from the fine article.
eInk MPD remote control client (Score:2)
I really would love an eInk (read: no back light) MPD client for my custom MPD server. Although, stealing Internet access is not my forte. I wonder of the modem can be swiped out for a WiFi card.
You knew this was coming... (Score:5, Insightful)
This is why we can't have nice things.
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Dunno about you, but I consider a hackable device to a be a nice thing.
One of the reasons I've been holding back on an ebook reader is because there hasn't been much success in opening them up despite the fact that they run open source software under the hood. Now that this has happened with the Nook (before it has shipped, even?), I'm pretty much set on buying one now.
Coral Cache link. (Score:2)
http://nookdevs.com.nyud.net/Main_Page [nyud.net]
It's not hard. Just add .nyud.net after the hostname.
Re:Coral Cache link. (Score:5, Informative)
Too late. The wiki is dead.
Here's the text from the "Rooting" page:
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Looking to root your nook? You have come to the right place!
nookDevs.com is not liable if you screw up during the root process. kthxbai
This will probably void your warranty, nookDevs.com is not liable for that either.
[edit] Requirements
microSD(HC) card adapter
Small screwdriver
45 minutes
Fingernails or a sharp knife
A linux/unix based computer
Android SDK
[edit] Instructions
Turn off nook
Take off the back cover of the nook
Remove the battery
Remove the user microSD card if there is one
Unscrew all screws. Dont lose them. There is a hole in the bottom left with white in it. That is also a screw. Unscrew that.
There are a bunch of tabs around the sides of the nook that release the white bezel. Once released you will need to unseal the glue
Congrats you are 25 percent there!
There are two black tabs on the sides of the nook where the page turn buttons are. Push those back to unlock them
You should be at the board now. Find the OS microSD card
Remove it
Place the microSD card in a adapter, then into a computer /dev/sdb1 /media/disk replacing values as needed) ./adb connect IP_OF_NOOK:5555 ./adb shell /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip.bak
Mount it as ext3 read-write (sudo mount
Open the file init.rc as sudo (sudo nano init.rc)
Find the line that starts talking about adbd
Replace the first occurance of the word disabled with enabled
50 percent done!
Eject SD card
Put SD card back into nook
close nook up
restart
Now, on a computer again, download the Android dev toolkit (google it)
Open a terminal
cd to the android folder
cd tools
If you want to disable updates from B&N run: mv
CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE ROOTED YOUR nook. Have fun, be safe, dont forget to bring a towel
[edit] Notes
More pictures for tutorial to come later
Make sure to put the SIM card back in correctly if you remove it. Blue and white site up with the notch in the battery compartment opening end, on the right hand side. Refer to included pic. (discovered nook 3G not working when I got to work. Paperclips make terrible screwdrivers)
Android Debug Bridge (adb) is a versatile tool lets you manage the state of an emulator instance or Android-powered device.
Full documentation and list of commands available in adb can be found here:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/tools/adb.html#commandsummary [android.com]
Deja Vu all over again... (Score:2)
Remember the I-Opener [wikipedia.org]?
I predict a similar fate to the Nook:
- Wicked cool device hits the market.
- Hacked and liberated.
- Provider(s) lose money due to the liberation.
- Tug-of-war between provider(s) and hackers.
- Provider(s) give up and more on after losing too much money.
I expect the cell connection will be firewalled pretty soon unless they completely munged the process and can't. Expect some OTA updates pronto to keep the rooters out. Tug-of-war over rooting. Eventually new TOS to make you a criminal
Just don't power-cycle the thing... (Score:3, Funny)
If you're dealing with the Nook and you power cycle without properly shutting down, you can expect a visit from Mr. Resetti... Those are never fun.
free wireless? (Score:2)
I doubt people will be getting free cellular internet very long if at all. The SIM card identifies the user as a Nook, and if the service provider has any brains, they will restrict the routing of all traffic from such users to where they want.
Not that this is not a cool hack. I would like to throw in my own SIM card and take this baby for a spin.
have they disassmbled the jars? (Score:3, Interesting)
I havent coded for the Android yet. But was under the impression it used a "custom" form of Java, mainly special multi-process JVM.
Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Insightful)
What does the FCC care? It's still compliant, even if it's hacked.
I daresay the wireless carrier will be a bit ticked though, but they should have seen it coming. If the data connection this thing uses isn't firewalled to only talk to the B&N servers it's their own fault.
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Just-World Fallacy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon [wikipedia.org]
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Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Insightful)
On one hand, it's somewhat witless to leave a car like that. On the other, stealing it is a despicable thing to do. Both the situation and action are necessary so the blame for the incident goes to both. Since the action is far worse than the situation, the blame is very heavily weighted towards the criminal.
Even that's too simplified. But you get the idea.
Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Insightful)
You're confusing the concepts of "accident" where variables outside of control/observation come together to create an unfortunate circumstance.
No one accidentally steals a running car. No one accidentally hacks a Nook thus subjecting a company to many new costs. Those situations require people with intent to create them. Those people with intent are at fault for any ill-effects of their actions. Not the victims.
It is not your fault if you get shot in the leg and robbed while walking down a street. You shouldn't be *surprised* if it happens while you're wearing expensive clothing while walking in a war zone, but the fault lay with the person choosing to harm you.
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For example, if I setup a mail server, and don't take even the simplest precautions to secure it (so it is a wide open smtp relay), who is my boss going to blame when his mail keeps bouncing because we have been blacklisted as a spam bot? The guy(s) who actually exploited us? Or me for leaving the front door open to them in a way that would certainly lead to us sending spam?
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Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:4, Insightful)
If the money wasn't in the bank, the thief wouldn't have the opportunity to steal it
If she hadn't worn that short skirt, she would've made it home ok
I he hadn't have been a Tutsi, Jew, Muslim, Christian, it probably wouldn't have happened.
Nice relativism. I agree with your take on the car analogy, but I think your belief about blame breaks down the closer it gets to reality.
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Some juridictions will charge you as an "accessory" if you leave your car running, it gets stolen, and it's used in a crime.
[citation needed]
Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Informative)
Umm, no. Certainly morally it is, but not legally.
If you leave your car running, the blame for the theft can be placed on you, and in some states you can actually be held partly liable if the thief does something wrong with the vehicle. Especially if the person who stole your car is underage.
Some decades ago, at my father's business, my mother stopped by to drop something off. Since she was parked next to the rear entrance to the store (which was in a mall), she hopped out of her car with the keys in it and the car running. It was winter, and the car had a habit of not starting well if it was already warmed up. Apparently a couple of kids were hanging out in the area, because the car was stolen in the 30 seconds it took her to drop off the paperwork and come back outside.
The police eventually caught the kids who did it once they wrecked the car. The kids were 17 and 16, and one of them was a repeat offender (petty theft, etc) whose name appeared in the police blotter regularly. But since the keys were in the car, the car was considered an "attractive nuisance" and the kids could not be held liable to stealing it. Quite the contrary, the presence of the keys was legally considered to be a compulsion for someone to steal it, and my mother was therefore liable for the theft AND everything they did in the car, including any injuries to themselves or others.
Fortunately for us, when the kids totalled her car neither of them was seriously hurt, and the property damage they did was minimal. We had to buy a new car, and pay for the property damage the wreck caused, and pay the medical bills for the kids to get checked out at the hospital. It set us back about $15,000 or so, since insurance wouldn't pay a penny of it of course, but it was an interesting and eye-opening lesson in liability.
Fortunately, the police officer decided not to press charges for reckless endangerment of a child, or my mother could have ended up in real trouble for having her car stolen.
Re:DMCA notice coming (Score:5, Insightful)
While nothing is impossible, I'd be really surprised if they actually managed to successfully prosecute your mom for an attractive nuisance this way. Normally that would apply to something like a swimming pool without a fence, or an abandoned truck in the middle of a field. Teenagers stealing a running car would normally be a really hard sell, since 17 is an age where you should clearly know that taking a car without permission is illegal.
I'm not doubting your story, but I suspect that the cop in that case may have brought that out as a way of not having to deal with the car-theft for some reason, and scaring your parents out of pressing charges against the kids themselves.
Of course I could be wrong, but something here doesn't seem quite right....
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Such is why we don't prosecute victims of crime
Except you do, in certain circumstances. Usually involving child pornography laws in some fashion. And possibly other cases involving bizarre twisted applications of anti-terror laws.
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I've honestly never heard of such a thing, and find that bizarre.
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This is why it's irrational for a child to be at blame for abuse. For example: A child in poor circumstance may reliably be beaten when he doesn't do his chores. If one day, he d
Re:Holy crap. (Score:5, Insightful)
Because, in the case of the Kindle and Nook, the cost of the wireless connection is subsidized by book sales. There will be no additional purchases to subsidize Netbook access so what purpose would it serve a manufacturer to have it bundled in?
Re:Holy crap. (Score:5, Funny)
Whooosh (Score:4, Funny)
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Unless you're the Feds.
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Limitations of e-paper (Score:5, Insightful)
This begs
raises
the question of why we don't already have netbooks this awesome, with free internet
Subsidized by book sales, as OldeTimeGeek pointed out.
and days of battery life.
Netbooks can view YouTube. Readers with electronic paper displays can't.
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Well, good thing this also has an LCD.
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It's Youtube. :-P
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Well, that's where this device is superior to the Kindle. It has a color LCD display (albeit a small one) in addition to the E-ink. If this "hack" stays open for long enough, I'd bet we'd start seeing some interesting applications that take full advantage of the dual screens (Possibly even a Youtube player). The point being that this device has the hardware to truly be a fun gadget so long as it stays rootable... I'm strongly cons
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This begs the question of why we don't already have netbooks this awesome, with free internet and days of battery life.
Future value of money, basically. Anything that can be subsidized and supported by a subscription model will be of superior quality whenever the interest rate on lending is >0%. Razors and blades. This is the essence of human capital. Why invest in production or technological improvement when you can invest in locking-in future consumers?
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"Why invest in production or technological improvement when you can invest in locking-in future consumers?"
The I-Opener business model only works for a while. First they got hacked, then they got superseded by cheap general purpose alternatives, then they gave up.
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The "days of battery life" are for electronic paper use and the occasional book download. I imagine if you were surfing the web on it, you'd get a far shorter battery life, even if you hacked the ability to bump pages on to the epaper screen and switch off the touchscreen for reading.
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I suspect that, in large part, it's an issue with the display. My understanding is that you can't change anything on an electronic ink display without redrawing the whole screen, which takes long enough to be visible. (My understanding may, of course, now be outdated... I haven't looked carefully at how these things work in a year or so...) Ever worked on an old enough computer that the entire screen flashes when you press a key on the keyboard? It loses its appeal pretty quickly.
And if you replace it wi
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A lot of wireless carriers impose restrictions and/or higher charges on tethering.
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Hell, since you can pull the filesystem out and read it, has anyone looked to see if they built in a killswitch or enforceable upgrade policy?
I just want to make sure my eBook reader can't delete all of my George Orwell downloads without even a second's notice. Of course, if I just put nothing but pirated PDFs on the device, I won't have that problem anyway. :P