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California Moving Forward With Big-Screen TV Power Restrictions 339

Hugh Pickens writes "The Los Angeles Times reports that California regulators are poised to pass the nation's first ban on energy-hungry big-screen televisions just as they did with refrigerators, air conditioners and dozens of other products since the 1970s. 'We would not propose TV efficiency standards if we thought there was any evidence in the record that they will hurt the economy,' said Commissioner Julia Levin, who has been in charge of the two-year rule-making procedure. 'This will actually save consumers money and help the California economy grow and create new clean, sustainable jobs.' California's estimated 35 million TVs and related electronic devices account for about 10% of all household electricity consumption, but manufacturers quickly are coming up with new technologies that are making even 50-inch-screen models much more economical to operate. Sets with screens of up to 58 inches would have until the start of 2011 to comply with a minimum efficiency standard, with more stringent rules being introduced two years later. If all TVs met state standards, California could avoid the $600-million cost of building a natural-gas-fired power plant, says Ken Rider, a commission staff engineer. Switching to more-efficient TVs could have an estimated net benefit to the state of $8.1 billion, the commission staff reported."
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California Moving Forward With Big-Screen TV Power Restrictions

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  • Re:Misses The Point (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 17, 2009 @08:54AM (#29776871)

    I totally agree. Well said.

    Green is the new Red. (hammer and sickle)

  • by aurispector ( 530273 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @09:36AM (#29777053)

    More feel-good lefty lunacy from la-la land. It's politically impossible for lawmakers in CA to do anything even slightly unpopular or politically incorrect. Hence their continuing futile attempts to vote themselves into utopia. Next they'll pass legislation mandating Pi to equal 3 so their stupid kids don't have to think too hard. They're broke and instead of cleaning house they're focusing on this crap. Complete and total disaster of a state.

  • by Zarf_is_with_you ( 1382411 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @10:12AM (#29777335) Journal
    Really how low can the energy requirements go?

    I have a old TV I rarely use in thing its a about 20 inches I have had it since 1995 it still works fine. I noticed that it says it requires over 600watts!

    I have a Rear projection TV that I purchased in about 2001 43 inch, it only requires 480 on surge to startup and it looks less than 190 watts to run.

    I ran it off a Voltage inverter and a car battery during long winter blackout, I never gave a second thought to how much power the TV used and I was VERY surprised and thankful at how little it did use during that time of emergency.

    I have new a 24 inch HD LCD monitor I have never seen anything so clear and bright and sharp and the bonus is that it draws about <65watts!

    Why are they legislating this?

    When things are already moving in the correct direction, how much lower can you go?
  • Re:Idiots (Score:4, Informative)

    by pommiekiwifruit ( 570416 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @10:24AM (#29777425)
    The problem is that California is so large, manufacturers are not going to make a CA TV and a rest-of-the-world TV;

    They do that already for the USA - they make NTSC only 110volt only televisions with crappy connectors for sale in the USA, and NTSC/PAL/PAL60 televisions 100-250volt power with RGB SCART connectors for countries that like colours to be the same from time to time.

    (We have to specially import US specification televisions to check how it murders our games' artwork when played over there, and adjust the source artwork to avoid red and yellow).

    Perhaps with HDTV they will standardise the models a little more, but it may not be as widespread as you think.

  • by mspohr ( 589790 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @11:21AM (#29777779)
    Due to energy saving mandates and regulations like this new proposal, California has managed to keep per capita electricity consumption flat (no increase) since 1973 while the rest of the country has doubled per capita usage during the same period. This is a big win for everyone in California and keeps us on the cutting edge of environment and energy policy as well as lowering the costs for everyone in the state.

    1. Energy efficiency regulations.

    2. ????

    3. Profit!

    Please don't move to California and screw it up.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @11:46AM (#29777911)

    ..tell you how much electricity your TV set can use or how much water your toilet can use per flush, has the power to do anything.

    The government - meaning you - can go on denying the fact that L.A. is a desert and simply continue to outgun and outspend outland farms and wilderness areas trying to protect their water rights.

  • by the eric conspiracy ( 20178 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @01:44PM (#29778667)

    Except of course you can get a private insurance plan as a supplement, like approximately 7 million Brits do - mostly through their employers.

  • Re:Misses The Point (Score:4, Informative)

    by bcrowell ( 177657 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @05:37PM (#29780097) Homepage

    What does bother me is the fact that the Government is going to mandate that I switch to crappy ass light bulbs that take half a minute to come up to full brightness [...]

    I don't know where you get your compact fluorescents, but mine come on immediately, and I don't notice any delay before they're at full brigtness. Maybe you just need to buy newer ones that have the latest high-tech solid-state ballasts.

    [...] and will contaminate my house with mercury if dropped.

    (a) Liquid mercury is harmless unless ingested. (b) If you drop one, sweep it up. (c) The amount of mercury in one bulb is a few milligrams. That's small compared to a mercury thermometer, but I don't hear you complaining about mercury thermometers. (d) The wikipedia article [] shows that the environmental aspect of this is FUD: "In areas with coal-fired power stations, the use of CFLs saves on mercury emissions when compared to the use of incandescent bulbs. This is due to the reduced electrical power demand, reducing in turn the amount of mercury released by coal as it is burned.[43][44]. In the United States, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency estimated that if all 270 million compact fluorescent lamps sold in 2007 were sent to landfill sites, that this would represent around 0.13 tons, or 0.1% of all U.S. emissions of mercury (around 104 tons) that year.[45]"

    If you want to oppose government regulation on general political principles, that's one thing, but please don't oppose it based on FUD.

    As an added bonus, there isn't a single CFL made in the United States. There are still incandescent bulbs produced here. Thank you Uncle Sam, for removing my choice to support American jobs and ensuring that even more of our money leaves the country and goes to China.

    How about being a little more consistent here? If you use energy-inefficient technologies, it affects my life with pollution and global warming. If you think you have a god-given right to do that, then essentially you're saying you think you have a god-given right to have me subsidize the hidden costs of your lifestyle. In other words, you want a government subsidy. So on the one hand, you seem to be all fired up about how evil government regulation is, but then you turn around and say that you want government subsidies for your polluting lifestyle, and government subsidies for obsolete US industries that can't adapt to new technologies.

  • by gyrogeerloose ( 849181 ) on Saturday October 17, 2009 @09:28PM (#29781307) Journal

    People can come up some pretty outrageous ideas and will often release them to the press just for the publicity even when they know they don't have the slightest chance of succeeding. As wacky as California politics can be (and despite it's reputation, this state doesn't exactly have a lock on legislative craziness), the ban on black cars has never been taken seriously as far as I can tell.

Logic is the chastity belt of the mind!