Nvidia Fakes Fermi Boards At GPU Tech Conference 212
fragMasterFlash writes with this excerpt from SemiAccurate:
'In a really pathetic display, Nvidia actually faked the introduction of its latest video card, because it simply doesn't have boards to show. Why? Because it didn't get enough parts to properly bring them up, much less make demo boards. ... Notice that the three screws that hold the end plate on are, well, generic wood screws. Large flat -head Phillips screws. Home Depot-grade screws that don't even sit flush. If a card is real, you hold it on with the bolts on either side of the DVI connector. Go look at any GPU you have; do you see wood screws that don't mount flush or DVI flanking bolts? ... If you look at the back of the fake Fermi, [from this PC Watch picture], you can see that the expected DVI connector wires are not there, just solder-filled holes. No stubs, no tool marks from where they would be cut out. Basically, the DVI port isn't connected to anything with solder, so they had to use screws on the plate."
Who cares... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Who cares... (Score:4, Insightful)
Exactly. What is the point of this "news" anyway? Lots of times companies build something that looks kinda like the product but isn't it. This was same with Wii on E3 too before it was released. It wasn't the actual Wii at all.
The purpose is to show off their new products that are coming. Sure, they could you just have a paper that lists the features. But as people are physically there, they might like to see something too. If it's not fully build yet, they have to make up a prototype to show. It doesn't really change anything with the product - when it gets out, reviewers will tell if it sucks then.
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The second I saw NVidia articles I knew that this was just a PR thing just so that people don't forget about them after ATI's launch. I knew their product wasn't finished and they had to show *something* in development, but c'mon, you have to admit this is pretty funny. I mean--wooden screws and boards!
I didn't know it would be *this* bad, LOL.
Re:Who cares... (Score:5, Funny)
I mean--wooden screws and boards!
They are wood screws, not wooden screws. Wooden screws are made of wood, wood screws are made to screw into wood, and are made of steel.
The boards themselves look legit - except for the odd screws and lack of an actual DVI connection to the board.
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Wood screws, not wooden screws btw, usually are flat head
Excuse me what!? I haven't seen a standard (flat head) wood screw in quite a while except when I take apart walls. there almost all Robinson(square) or Phillips(cross).
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What are you, stupid? The question you should be asking is, what's the point of showing a fake product, if not to deceive? There isn't one. If it was intended as an artist's interpretation of a future product, they could have just said so. Clearly this is part of a false advertising campaign to promote their product, and make it seem like they're ahead of rivals when in fact they still have plenty of work to do.
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Because products in development are never like the final versions. That is because they are in development. But people in these conferences like to see something physical, so its better to make up something that looks like the final product along with telling about the features.
If the upcoming product shown in these conferences would be the final version, why aren't they selling it already?
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Of course they do, but why do you think that is? Because they're just dumb punters who like physical objects, even if they're fakes? Or because they actually care about seeing the REAL stage of production, the effort going in, the technical hurdles, seeing the real product before it hits the shelves, etc.? You don't lie to people just because you know they want to hear it.
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No there was working silicon at the tech show, it was encoding the HD stream live.
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It's completely normal, and there is no deception.
Do you think Nvidia suddenly lost the ability to bring a product to market?
That they'll never produce another product?
Stop trolling
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So if I go to amazon and pre-order one of these based on the performance, only to find they can't actually mass produce them as valid PCI cards, that's fine? Right. It's false advertising, pure and simple.
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OK, so you're willing to bet that it'll be OK. What you're willing to bet on, however, is entirely irrelevant to the morality of what they're doing. I surely wouldn't make that bet.
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Intelligent response. Well done.
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My friend, this is the whole point. Advertising something that is not available, and may never be available (at least as advertised), is a falsehood.
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I'm not talking about legality, I'm talking about morality. Legality is the last refuge of people who don't care about ethics. As for your "question about the concept automobile"... that's because I didn't care to read that much of your response. But no, I don't think that there's a problem showing a concept vehicle, because it's labelled as such.
Re:Who cares... (Score:4, Interesting)
The original CD player comes to mind. They demoed it as a small elegant device on the desk, hardly bigger than the actual CD. Under the table, hidden by the tablecloth, were the hulking electronics. But they knew that miniaturisation of the electronics would be just a matter of time and they wanted to show what the system could be.
Re:Who cares... (Score:5, Insightful)
It wasn't described as a mock up, but as a real working Fermi board.
NVIDIA are quite a way behind in the next generation race (time-wise, not tech-wise), and they had to try and make it look like they were a month or two away from having product availability. This fakery just makes the late Q1 2010 rumours sound more likely...
Re:Who cares... (Score:5, Insightful)
You don't generally call attention to the fact that a mock-up is, in fact, a mock-up. That would defeat the purpose of having it in the first place. They are still going to produce real cards, showing a mock-up doesn't negate that fact. As was said earlier, the article is fanboy crap.
Re:Who cares... (Score:5, Insightful)
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Since when do "generic wood screws" come chromed and without a tapered head? Has the author actually seen a generic wood screw before?
Summary is crap, article is slashdotted. Next, please.
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Why not count the number of times he was right, divide that by the total number of articles? You could also multiply that by the fraction of text on the page that doesn't read like something from rense.com, and compare the resulting number to a similar calculation on other sites?
Using that view, I think I'll stick with AnandTech [anandtech.com], who was saying Q1 and pointing out that it was late for this generation anyway.
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Yea, those are some pretty outlandish conclusions to jump to based simply on the shape of 3 screw heads and a white speck in a blurry low-res photo.
I mean, I'm sure that a tech company as large as Nvidia would have a few extra flush-mounting screws around amongst their huge stocks of video cards. If they really wanted to convincingly fake a real video card, I doubt they'd go to Home Depot to buy some "wood screws" instead of just ordering one from their warehouse or even just pulling a few screws out of a p
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It wasn't described as a mock up, but as a real working Fermi board.
NVIDIA are quite a way behind in the next generation race (time-wise, not tech-wise), and they had to try and make it look like they were a month or two away from having product availability. This fakery just makes the late Q1 2010 rumours sound more likely...
You're right about NVidia claiming it was real
FTA: Note 1: Nvidia PR was asked to comment on the faked cards earlier this evening. Their reply was, "I'm glad you're asking us before you write. That statement is false. The product that we displayed was an actual Fermi board. The demo ran on Fermi silicon." We do not believe all of that statement.
I'm willing to give NVidia the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes hardware engineering samples are all hacked together like you wouldn't believe to get the first
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But the mounting screws weren't actual Fermi mounting screws. How can we ever trust you again!?
Re:Who cares... (Score:4, Insightful)
I dunno. I worked for companies that demonstrated fake products. Well not exactly fake - we had working hardware and software, just that the working hardware was a big mass of board and didn't fit in the box and we still didn't have the CPU power to get more than about 60% of the performance we were supposed to get.
Now we went to great lengths to fake things at the trade show so we could keep the project going. I actually like the idea of tabloid hacks poking around and uncovering tricks like this, it keeps people honest.
Re:Who cares... (Score:5, Informative)
Just like the first Amiga prototype. Basically just wirewrapped boards [amigahistory.co.uk] cabled together. Actually used at a trade-show, but hidden under a table.
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Those original prototype Amigas (with the 5.25" drives and the expansion chimney) were in metal cases, not wooden. These generally had the older chips, Portia instead of Paula, Daphne instead of Denise, as I recall.
This is a natural part of product development... final, consumer-ready products don't spring to life fully borne, and in the case of something like the Amiga, the developer's units (which only went out to a handful of developers) were designed to get hardware into hands as quickly as possible, ra
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I've seen lots of companies do that (defence companies, medical prosthetics). The defence companies would have a prototype system that would consist of rack mounted circuitboards, then they would repackage everything into a single ASIC chip within six months. The medical companies made artificial hands which had an external circuit board controller that was packaged into a shielded box along with a battery pack belt. That was reduced down to a chip and battery that went into the wrist of the prosthetic hand
This is actually a lot more common... (Score:4, Insightful)
This is actually a lot more common than you might think. Lots of tech shows (whether it's cell phones, computer parts, etc) bring "fake" models in. Sometimes it's just the production case with weights in. Sometimes, when a device needs to be outputting video, what you see is just a movie being played as opposed to its actual output.
Recently, netbook manufacturers have been caught doing it. During shows, you can see some brand new, thin and light netbook with a sign as "display model only". When show-goers pick it up, they see empty holes where USB, power, and ethernet connections should be. All that's there is a LCD, a keyboard, and a plastic shell.
Re:This is actually a lot more common... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:This is actually a lot more common... (Score:5, Funny)
More like "any sufficiently rigged demo is indistinguishable from advanced technology"
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More like "any sufficiently rigged demo is indistinguishable from advanced technology"
The woooosh you just heard and are probably wondering what it was, was a clue-by-four that utterly missed you.
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Nah, I just didn't find the original funny.
Especially not +5 funny.
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Agreed. Speaking as an Engineer who has worked on hardware between first manufacture and first sale, this is no big deal. Prototypes are expensive, and usually not pretty. And you just don't let the folks in marketing (or the executives) touch your prototypes - you usually don't have enough to use yourself, much less to loan out for a few days, and risk getting broken at the hands of photographers and the like who don't take proper precautions in handling the boards. Not to mention, they look pretty ugly -
NVidia confirms, claims it's a "Mockup" (Score:5, Informative)
Little update found on this article: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15798/34/ [fudzilla.com]
not necessarily faked (Score:5, Informative)
Having built many a prototype board in my day I can tell you I have utilized all manner of odds and ends including not only wood screws but wood as well - I don't think it means the card is a fake, it may be an engineering prototype or a software development board or whatever. I personally don't see anything in the photos that screams to me "FAKE" !
Re:not necessarily faked (Score:5, Informative)
Exactly my thoughts. And according to a fudzilla article linked above, this basically what happened. The actual "product" is an engineering build and not something they want a PR guy waving around so they gave him a mock-up of it.
Personally, I don't give a damn what their hype machine has to say about anything. When they get silicon in production and I can "reasonably" expect to get it physically in-hand, then I'll start paying attention... Served me well for "waiting" on Duke Nukem Forever. :p
Even nVidia says it's fake. (Score:2, Insightful)
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So what? They gave the PR drone a fake one to wave around and used the real one to do the demo.
If they faked the demo, now that's a problem. But they didn't.
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Just on a point of information, the "PR drone" was actually Jen-Hsun Huang, company president and CEO. If the card he was waving around was a mockup, he surely knew about it.
Not that I see that it matters. Huang openly admitted they're at least "a few months" away from production, and it was strongly implied at the press conference that GeForce models would come before Quadro and Tesla (lots of airy talk about high-end customers running to different cycles). It was a cute spot that this was, most likely, no
Totally faked. (Score:5, Insightful)
The end of the motherboard was roughly dremmelled off to match the fan enclosure (that is surely the designed fan enclosure for the card). The power connectors were glued on, and didn't match the solder pads for said connectors (indeed one was mostly sawed off).
Prototype? No. This card can't work.
Blatant fake presented as a working board? Yes.
Back-pedalling and claiming it is a mock up after the fact? Yes.
Re:Totally faked. (Score:4, Insightful)
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I would also expect people to have long-enough memories to remember when nvidia was blaming OEMs and users for what amounted to nvidia's single defining royal fuckup - anyone remember Bumpgate?
Re:Totally faked. (Score:5, Funny)
Ferocious nerds with no life? Check.
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I have done likewise, and I agree.
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Well, as TFS (yeah, that's right, you didn't even read that!) states, the DVI connector is not actually connected! So it can't actually display anything. Which by definition means, it's no a working graphics card. Which is another way of saying that it's FAKE. :)
Ya well (Score:5, Informative)
Notice the source. The site semi accurate is run by a guy, Charlie Demerjian, who was fired from The Inquirer for a number of reasons, including making shit up. In particular, this guy has it in for nVidia. I don't remember the details of why he has it in for them, I think they cut him out of the information loop because he leaked some info he wasn't supposed to. Regardless, he hates nVidia and does everything he can to make them look bad. In his case, that includes just straight out making shit up.
So that's why he's making such a big deal of this being a fake. He wants it to be fake because, well I dunno, I guess that is somehow a "win" in his mind.
Personally I find it funny since companies do mockups for demonstrations all the time. Wouldn't at all surprise me if the card he was holding was such a mockup.
At any rate as with most things in life, you want to check sources, and on the Internet that is doubly true. Some people have an agenda to push and will... modify, to put it mildly, the truth to suit their needs. I though we'd all be well aware of that after all the political BS of recent years :P.
Re:Ya well (Score:5, Informative)
Charlie Demerjian, who was fired from The Inquirer for a number of reasons, including making shit up.
Like what? That's a hell of a big accusation just to take on faith.
I think they cut him out of the information loop because he leaked some info he wasn't supposed to.
Unlikely. Because the Inq never signs NDAs. That's their official policy and has been since Mike Magee founded it. [theinquirer.net]
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Just because it wasn't NDA'd doesn't mean he was supposed to reveal it. There is a little thing called "honor" and some people in the world still have it and assume others do as well. For example some time ago I was e-mailing back and forth with a guy from SVSound. He decided to let me know about a new upcoming product that wasn't public information yet (their surround speakers, which were announced on their news page a month ago). He asked me to please not go posting it on forums at that time, until they a
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It's entirely bullshit, from what I can tell. He was sacked at the same time as a whole bunch of the Inquirer's writing staff, most likely for cost-cutting reasons rather than anything else.
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Was it a fake wooden mockup? Yes
The rest is irrelevant.
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You know, I had noticed a very anti-nVidia bias from the Inquirer before and once I saw your post I realized I hadn't seen any of that sort of thing for a while. Good post. As a disinterested observer I'll confirm that The Inquirer definitely has (had?) it in for nVidia for some reason.
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I always found ATI cards work better for me (HTPC setups - I am not a gamer), however even I am not a "fanboi", so I can easily see Charlie's strong bias. It is not that he makes up facts, as far as I have seen, he bases his articles on information that turns out to be true or mostly true. However, he blows things way out of proportion, and his sarcastic style of writing is most definitely not proper for journalistic use.
In this case, he does have a good point. Go to http://www.nvidia.com/object/fermi_arch [nvidia.com]
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Agreed.
As soon as I saw 'Fudzilla' and 'nVidia' in the same sentence, I knew it was going to be a bucket of accusations. From the moment nVidia released the GTX295, I've noticed their articles always have a tag about nVidia being shitty or deceptive in some manner.
At first, I thought he was an ATI fanboy, but from other comments I've seen, I don't think he cares all that much about hardware performance as attempting to stick it to companies he doesn't exactly care for.
That said, I read his site daily since
Re:Ya well (Score:5, Funny)
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After going through three months of bullshit involving one GTX 285 and two 8800GTs both coughing up black screens due to shoddy engineering and shoddy driver development, plus an HP laptop with an nVidia GPU taking a shit barely a year prior, I want to see nVidia fail, but for some very specific and legitimate reasons. As in I generally can't understand how hype and brand loyalty can sustain a company through multiple fuckups with nobody to blame but themselves. Even the Republican Party has fallen on hard
They don't look like "wood screws" to me (Score:2)
They look more like the screws used to mount hard disks/CD drives.
faker (Score:5, Informative)
Those do not look like wood screws to me. not even close. They appear way too small and they dont appear to be counter sunk. Go to lowes and see if you can find any wood screws that match. They do remind me of the ones used to mount motherboards or for mounting 5 1/4 and 3 1/2 drives. And my geforce 7800 gtx has those stand offs with both dvi connectors. I didnt realize that was novel.
Re:faker (Score:5, Informative)
I have to agree. I don't see wood screws. What I do see is wide head machine screws holding the backplate to the assembly. Maybe it's because I work in a shop that only manufacture electronics for a specific mission, but I didn't see anything out of the ordinary. Much less anything worthy of the hyperbole and sensationalism coming from this article...
I do think that some assembly parts may not fit well or are meant for a different product which could explain the bad fit and finish. Anyway seems like a non-story to me..
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Yeah, I never saw wood screws with a rounded head on them like that. Not to mention chrom dipped. I mean, if you were going to go to the trouble of chrome dipping some wood screws you sanded down to look like machine screws, you really have to be diabolical in all the wrong ways.
Then you can't be very good (Score:2)
Look more closely, at the PCB, the other end of it.
If you don't notice any of it, then I pity your boss. IT HAS BEEN CUT OFF! They sawed of the end of a PCB straight through stickers and electronics and you don't see anything wrong?
Mind you, I think what we got here is just a mock-up. That is extremely common. You produce the working prototype that works but is ugly and a mockup that doesn't work but is pretty.
But saying you can't see any goofs in this mock-up means you are either blind or haven't the sl
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"As you can see from the picture above of my Radeon HD5870 sitting on my HD4890, the end plate is more than capable of being held on without wood screws."
Anyone care to explain what the heck we're looking at in this picture? I see what looks like a poor video capture of a couple of video cards, but I can't make out anything relevant.
Maybe this guy has a point, but it's damn hard to see what he's talking about from the pictures. The only one that I agree looks bogus is the one where the board is cut flush
Re:faker (Score:4, Informative)
That was my thought. These look like self-tapping machine screws, w/30-45 offset at the head for pulling sheet metal into a offset groove for panel mounting(read: need a impact screwdriver to use properly or bevel punch). You can get chrome woodscrews, they're rare as anything(defeats the purpose of hiding them in case a plug fallout when putting wood furniture together), much easier to find sheet metal screws, or self-tapping metal of the same type.
I call FUD on the article.
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They only confirmed that it was a mockup, not that the screws were wood screws. Idiot.
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I believe DVI needs those flanking standoffs as part of the spec.
Every VGA port I've seen has them too.
No idea what they're complaining about there.
The screws holding the backplate on, I'm pretty sure they're the ones nvidia uses to hold the x-bracket on the back of their cards on with. They don't look like wood screws to me.
Happens all the time, but... (Score:4, Insightful)
You'd think a company like Nvidia would be a bit more careful given their CEO's penchant for bold claims and harping on any perceived gaffe by competitors.
I suspect this "announcement" was very rushed after AMD's recent announcement of their new DirectX 11 part that seems to outperform anything Nvidia has out at the moment and at a lower price point. Combine that with Intel's snub on producing chipsets for new/relevant PC platforms and one can imagine that Nvidia was anxious to appear competitive. Nvidia is in for a VERY tough slog.
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Well, it's not like nvidia just found out ATI was about to release a DX11 card. They are both sticking to long-standing roadmaps and there's not really anything to be surprised about.
I don't think anyone is in a panic. Nvidia's GT200 line is still viable and there's no reason to rush out and upgrade until there are at least two manufacturers selling DX11 cards. Hell, there's no reason to buy DX11 support prior to DX11 actually being supported by anything. I recall rushing out to buy a DX9 card to get it ear
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Which is why I'll be very surprised, and unpleasantly so, if nVidia comes out ahead of any situation better than filing for bankruptcy protection, seeing as they burned many of the bridges they had with OEMs and their suppliers back during the whole bumpgate scandal with TSMC, Dell and HP. Especially with a cheap competitor like ATI
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Sobering (Score:2, Interesting)
It's my brick in a box... (Score:3, Interesting)
Anyone in the embedded systems biz who's ever gone to a trade show probably knows the "brick in the box" technique.
1. You fab a slick looking enclosure for your "new product".
2. You put a brick in the box.
3. You show the box with wires coming out of it, and a PC behind the curtain displayinging the actual app.
That way, you have something to show/promise/sell YEARS before an actual product is ready, and can blame the engineers for being slow to finish and test that "last 10%".
Oh, dear: keep programmers away from screwdrivers (Score:5, Insightful)
The author is apparently not that familiar with screws. "Not being countersunk" has little to do with what type of screw something is. Neither does being a "wood screw" have much to do with bing flush with a surface. It has to do with the screw being "pan-head", and whether the surface has been drilled to allow the screw to fit into it. (That's the 'counter-sunk' part.)
To see if it's a "wood screw", a "machine screw", or a "sheet metal screw", you'd have to see the threads and especially the tip. Wood screws have broadly gapped threads, and a sharp tip, and generally a bit of a taper along their length to the point, designed to gouge themselves into the wood as you screw in but without splitting the wood. Sheet metal screws have closer spaced threads, a sharp tip, and much less taper or none: they're used to screw into soft metal like aluminum and gouge their way in, but you generally have to pre-drill a hole for them. Machine screws have closely spaced threads, no taper, no sharp tip, and require the hole to be pre-threaded to work.
Counter-sinking takes time and a bit of skill to get just right without overdrilling and making the case weak. Merely tapping, or pre-threading is quicker: I can easily believe that a prototype would not be countersunk.
Re:Oh, dear: keep programmers away from screwdrive (Score:5, Funny)
Shocker, a Slashdot author unfamiliar with screwing.
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Shockerer, a Slashdot commenter familiar with screwing.
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You are correct. It's gratifying to see people that know something about hardware around here. I agree, those look like machine screws that have a place in the screw kits for working on computers. Either stainless or more likely, plated. I don't recall seeing a head for wood screw that looks like that.
Re:Oh, dear: keep programmers away from screwdrive (Score:5, Informative)
OK. He got the screws wrong. Big deal. Try reading the article.
Some of the things NVidia did on their "working board" include: covering the SLI connector, not having the DVI connector wires go through vias, place the PCI-E power connectors wrong from where the board shows they should be, cut off the end of the board with a saw right though where there was more stuff, have half the vents on the back of the card completely blocked...
This isn't just "they used the wrong screws", this is "total fake that couldn't possibly work". Saying it was a working board was a total lie.
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This isn't just "they used the wrong screws", this is "total fake that couldn't possibly work". Saying it was a working board was a total lie.
Meh, they didn't say that was a working board. They said the demo ran off a working board. No real value in playing show and tell with the real engineering samples, as they probably look less like a real card at this point than the mockup does.
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The reason he bothered to correct the summary so well was because the summary spent so much time screaming "OMG WOOD SCREWZ!!!"
Also, you are correct: claiming that what was pictured is a working board would be a total lie. As such, the article's author really shouldn't be stating that nvidia claimed that item was a working board, since they had another term for it: "mockup."
In short, the author has an axe to grind with nvidia, and is looking for anything he can to make them look bad. In this case, making sh
Re:Oh, dear: keep programmers away from screwdrive (Score:4, Insightful)
Little things matter. When designing hardware, when building software, getting those little details right helps prevent errors and failures later on. The ranting about the wood screws dominated the original post: failing to correct that would help make anyone else who repeated the rant look like, well, like someone who shouldn't be trusted with a screwdriver.
Getting those details right can help your credibility quite a lot when you fill out a bug report, a blog, or even a letter to family.
hard drive screws? (Score:2)
Hack reporting at its best (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah This Guy Doesn't Have An Agenda... (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and there's AMD/ATI adverts all over it. Who gives a fuck about nVidia using a mock up, companies do this all the time at tech shows. It's a non-issue! What is the issue is why an article from a site that is so obviously geared around slagging off nVidia was posted here.
(and no, I'm not new here.)
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Actually nVidia is just a lying company.
First off, they claim their "Universal driver architecture." This means if you have at least a GeForceFX card or higher, one set of drivers will work.
This is not the case. I had to modify the .INF to get the 8600 recognized under XP.
Then they pull the "If there's any other card in your system acting as display, no PhysX for you!" despite original claims.
Now it's this.
NVIDIA is just a lying sack of shit company and there's a good potential for an anti-trust suit agains
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There are adverts all over it? Where?
Oh, you mean to tell me you don't use ABP and NoScript? Shame on you.
Ooh Shiny... Carbon fiber et al. (Score:3, Insightful)
What's up with all the decorative crap that goes into video card housings these days? It would be nice to be able to get high end hardware that isn't burdened with fluff designed to appeal to the minimally sapient crowd.
Don't look like wood screws to me (Score:2)
They look like some of the flattop panheads that I've got around here. The tops of these screws are like pancakes, flat top and bottom with slightly rounded sides. They look exactly like that. I've got some in both 6-32 and 3mm.
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They look like some of the flattop panheads that I've got around here. The tops of these screws are like pancakes, flat top and bottom with slightly rounded sides. They look exactly like that. I've got some in both 6-32 and 3mm.
Rather more tellingly, they look like the screws that are holding my motherboard to my case.
Re:Lies! (Score:4, Funny)
What the article didn't see fit to mention is that the combination of wooden NVIDIA card and NVIDIA Linux driver still outperform the equivalent production ATI card and ATI Linux driver.
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Why does a disabled root login prevent you from rescuing?
Just log in as you and do "sudo su". Voila, a root shell.
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I believe it forces asking for the root account for run level 1.
Dear GP: If that's the case, try sticking a "2" on the end of your boot params (ie. select the line, hit e, edit the line with the mention of /boot on it, and add a " 2" to the end, then hit b to boot).
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There's got to be something you can do to rescue it, surely - at least to the point where a full reinstall is not necessary. livecd?
I lea
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Rather pathetic that they didn't account for the removal by implementing the option to log in with your normal username (I'm talking about in the recovery mode shell-login here)
Boot to the root recovery shell, then just su username .
--- Mr. DOS
Well... ya know.. it's hard to tell sometimes... (Score:2)
... Who can you trust? Some random guy out there, or some Anonymous Coward.
I'm utterly perplexed and I don't know who to believe anymore as both sides have such strong arguments. [youtube.com]