A Real-World Test of the Verizon MiFi 118
uninet writes "Over the course of a few days last week, I was able to spend a good deal of time with Verizon's amazing little MiFi 3G router. It admirably performed its task of providing speedy Wi-Fi Internet to other devices via an EvDO Rev. A connection. Ironically, the device even improved the experience of using the iPhone, making it usable for surfing where its native network (AT&T) doesn't even connect."
Sounds great... if you can justify the cost (Score:5, Insightful)
We've got phones that are palmtop computing devices, internet access devices, phones, cameras, video cameras, and music/video players all in one. Device makers are embracing the mantra of integration. Is it that the wired arms of the telcos can't vertically integrate home and wireless access into affordable bundles due to anti-trust concerns or is it that they currently see that keeping them separate maximizes profit because the market just isn't demanding "internet anywhere" convenience at a workable price point?
Re:Sounds great... if you can justify the cost (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Sounds great... if you can justify the cost (Score:5, Funny)
Mod parent down.
He talks about an actively-developed, real-world, useful, cheap Windows Mobile application and doesn't shit on it.
This is not the slashdot way.
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http://global.wmwifirouter.com/features/ [wmwifirouter.com]
Here's a dumb question though...on the features page listed above the dev only talks about 64 and 128 bit WEP. For years everyone has said, "Don't use WEP!" Do anyone feel unsafe using this program on their Windows Mobile phone because it doesn't support WPA?
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I don't use it, but it wouldn't bother me.
The damned range of a cell's wifi is so short that people would have to be up your ass to do anything mischievous.
Either way:
Support for sharing your cellular data connection over bluetooth and usb
I would just tether via USB (which is what I can do now, for free, directly from my phone's OS).
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There are similar for other phones too, for example http://www.joiku.com/index.php [joiku.com]
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Very cool. One teeny tiny problem: using a cell phone this way without a special (very expensive) plan is probably against your terms of service. Don't know what the odds are of getting caught, but if you are caught, you'll get a bill itemizing every packet you sent this way. We're talking thousands of dollars.
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Isn't simplier and cheaper to just use your cellphone as a modem through Bluetooth?
Cost? Mobile broadband cheaper than ADSL here! (Score:1)
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Re:Sounds great... if you can justify the cost (Score:4, Insightful)
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This wireless broadband service in Hong Kong:( http://www.smartone-vodafone.com/jsp/mobile/home_broadband/english/faq.jsp [smartone-vodafone.com] )is US$19/month for unlimited usage, slightly cheaper than standard ADSL services, a
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No, wireless broadband depends heavily on not having too dense of a user population within a cell. For instance, try using a data connection in Disneyland with thousands of phones making little data connections constantly. It just won't happen. If everyone in the area started using the service, they'd be lucky to get dialup speeds, and there's not a darn thing they can do about it. It's all shared bandwidth, and there's only so much spectrum to go around (which is why spectrum is so expensive).
Wired doe
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Heck with that.. I can't justify a cell phone. I have one that work supplied. The only personal use is for the occasional pick up a gallon of milk call.
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If you're on the road a lot and can justify the extra cost of cellular access, yes, it's very cool. For everyone else, not so much.
Uh, yeah. That's true for this kind of internet connection in general. That's not exactly news.
This is one important difference: you can go on a plan where you only pay for access on the days you actually use it. That means you have to pay full price for the router, but it still would work for a lot of people who travel sporadically. Or an office where one person is often on the road, but not always the same person.
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The daily rate is even more absurdly expensive than the subscription.
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Huh? $15? If I was on a business trip, I'd spend a lot more than that just avoid having to search for a hotspot every time I needed to go online.
Yeah, it's way too expensive if you just randomly need internet access. That's not the use case. Why do Slashdotters keep insisting that what they need is all that anybody needs?
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I do it because I am ridiculously self-centered.
I agree that there are lots of situations that would justify the cost, but the cost still trips my internal "out of line with what is remotely reasonable" switch. In my personal bubble, 5 Gigabyte monthly access should cost $10 (or maybe $15). The cap should also grow rather quickly, and there should probably be something built into the system that turns off (or turns down) the metering on towers that are lightly loaded.
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My data plan is $20/month for unlimited usage.
I can tether my phone via USB and use it as a modem.
I wanted to upgrade my phone recently.
Surprise surprise, they don't offer my current data plan anymore. Seems to be $25 for 5 GB and $35 for unlimited (or something). And they mention shit like "get email from up to X email addresses". Really? You mean you're going to limit (or try to?) how many email addresses I can clap on my phone?
Or is this through your shitty email software/service (as opposed to the p
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Self- or un-self-centeredness is beside the point. This isn't about your personal issues, it's about economisc. In a market economy, $15 for something is "reasonable" if that's the right price point for maximizing profit.
I agree that the way we pay for bandwidth in the U.S. is totally insane. But that's a systemic problem, not particularly connected to this one product.
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Not considering that other people have different needs and so forth is pretty well related to being self-centered.
As far as reasonable in a market economy, I wish the market was working better (and note, the company offering this product isn't making any profit on me...). One way to make the market work better is to try to get people who don't care about the money they are spending to care more about the money they are spending. Pointing out that even though the value they are receiving in exchange for the
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Here in the UK, there are 3G PAYG tariffs from 2 GBP (~ $3.30 USD) per day (with no minimum charge per month). No idea if there's a pocket router available on any of these plans, but a cheap HSDPA USB stick modem is now cheaper to use (and obviously much more flexible) than many pay per day wifi hotspots.
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I'm glad my sense of what it could cost (i.e., a good bit less than $15) isn't completely broken.
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BT currently have an offer for wired-broadband customers. If you're on their "Unlimited" package, you pay a GBP10 one time fee and get a free mobile internet "dongle". You then get 1GB of free usage a month for the duration of your DSL contract, only paying for any extra usage above that.
GBP10 for 18 months of free occasional usage seems reasonable enough for the casual user. And if you're going to be a heavy user of mobile broadband, there are plenty of other contracts that can do you higher download limit
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Hey, if an American broadband provider offered that, I'd sign up instantly. But the broadband market here is less competitive than the one in Europe. Which is funny, because right-wing American politicians and pundits love to trash "European socialism".
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Which wired arm of T-Mobile would you want to integrate their wireless service with? I don't think DT is coming to America any time soon.
Just sayin'...
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And that's why I asked if there were potential anti-trust problems preventing such integration by Verizon, AT&T, etc. If they offered "internet anywhere" packages that bundled wired and wireless service, wireless providers without wired solutions could not compete on that playing field.
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I use my Sprint wireless service as an "alternate" ISP while at work. I completely avoid the company routers, etc. Sure, I'm probably violating a policy or two, but whatever. I don't surf NSFW - generally - but I also don't care to give the company a say in where I go, or let them know where I've been.
These things are great - could almost say life savers - for field service reps sent out into the wild. Try downloading a NIC driver for a NIC that's not working, yet. With my laptop and wireless modem, no
$$ Cost $$ (Score:1)
now whats worth more, having internet outside and where the At&T network is or carrying around a small wireless router that get signals from another company? just asking...
Irony (Score:4, Insightful)
Ironically, the device even improved the experience of using the iPhone, making it usable for surfing where its native network (AT&T) doesn't even connect.
How exactly is that "ironic"?
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Re:Irony (Score:4, Interesting)
Hmm. Getting a signal for one wireless network but not another may not be "ironic" but it's not exactly "incongruent" either. It's not like all networks use the same towers. I think the best we can do here is "interesting".
Ironically, word usage is often incongruent. Isn't that interesting?
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You have to have words. A play without words is just mime. ;)
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Irony is not about reciprocity. If person A does thing X, and somehow it comes back and bites them in the ass, that is not ironic". Instead, "Irony is the use of words in a way to conceal true intention with literal intention. More clearly, irony is when you say one thing but mean another." [not the thing you are describing].
Source: http://www.sc.tri-bit.com/Irony [tri-bit.com]
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The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, now that is irony.
</Bender>
Re:Irony (Score:5, Informative)
Note the Oxford English Dictionary on ironic: "happening in the opposite way to what is expected, and typically causing wry amusement because of this." That a Verizon device makes an iPhone more usable than AT&T's own network is precisely that.
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Although perhaps not quite as pleasing to anglophiles, Merriam-Webster also supports this sense for irony [merriam-webster.com]:
Mea Culpa on Re:Irony (Score:4, Informative)
I mean to say Oxford American English Dictionary. The grand OED itself says:
2. fig. A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be, expected; a contradictory outcome of events as if in mockery of the promise and fitness of things. (In F. ironie du sort.)
It goes on to note this usage has been around since at least the 17th century.
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I mean to say Oxford American English Dictionary. The grand OED itself says:
2. fig. A condition of affairs or events of a character opposite to what was, or might naturally be, expected; a contradictory outcome of events as if in mockery of the promise and fitness of things. (In F. ironie du sort.)
It goes on to note this usage has been around since at least the 17th century.
If it's been around that long, it's probably not irony any more. I bet it's nothing more than rustic by now.
/me ducks and runs
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Note the phrase "mockery of the promise and fitness of things". You seem to be interpreting it to apply to any outcome that's a surprise. By that definition, "I thought the store was open on Sunday, but it's not" is irony. There has to be some kind of jarring note, as in "The Boston Celtics are mostly African-American".
I suppose there's a jarring note here — if you assume that where one cell network has coverage, they all do. But that's a pretty dumb assumption.
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and the sound heard round the world as logic students' heads exploded was.....
similar to the sound of a silent dog fart.
Re:Irony (Score:5, Funny)
The use of words expressing something other than their literal intention; Now that is "irony!"
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Dammit I just posted this!
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Just like the word "literally" has come to mean "figuratively".
It's a world gone mad, I tell you!
Ebony and irony (Score:2)
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It also tricks the iPhone into thinking you're on a faster network. This is just because the iPhone only differentiates between "I am connected to 3G" and "I am connected to WiFi".
There's nothing surprising that the iPhone seems to perform better either.
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Ironically, such a device made out of iron isn't likely to work well.
*ducking*
Load tests? (Score:5, Informative)
Standard disclaimer may apply, a single user's empirical tests do not cover even a fraction of a percent of the real world. Please feel free to post your anecdotes which prove or disprove my anecdote.
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No, this is all true. There is only so much spectrum to be used in a wireless cell. Go to someplace like Disneyland and the data portion of your cell phone will be entirely useless. Newer wireless technologies are working on more efficient ways of transferring large amounts of data, but I don't see any way they can keep up with the rate that data usage is increasing at.
For those who can't get cable or DSL (Score:4, Interesting)
I'll probably go out and buy one before long. Despite the expense, the 5GB monthly cap, and the onerous contract terms, the only broadband choices where I live are EVDO and an older wireless system using Alvarion [alvarion.com] gear. I got my Alvarion setup five years ago and have been gladly paying $44 a month for, at best, 320kbps, using a rooftop parabolic antenna pointed at the nearest tower. I have a laptop with an EVDO setup but still have the Alvarion gear for other household members. I would love to get rid of it.
Aside from people like me who can't get cable or DSL, devices like this work well for occasional users who are more concerned about convenience of installation than blazingly high speeds or the ability to download mountains of data. Clearwire [clearwire.com] has been selling similar services for quite some time.
not so fast... (Score:1)
The following picture was taken when the unit was sitting about 5 feet from my laptop. I'm using it as my uplink as I just moved into a new development with no neighbors to steal wifi from. Literally only 2 other (WPA2) networks are in range. Consequentially, this can't be blamed on interference:
http://twitpic.com/6jafg [twitpic.com]
Also funny, I had to reconnect twice while uploading that photo to twitpic earlier since the unit dropped my connection. The problem is intermittent and hurts all three devices connected to i
OH MAN! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Um, let's see, you suggest perpetrating MITM fraud using a service that requires a 1 year subscription and a credit check in an area where "free public wifi" is already available for you to use as a backhaul?
Oh, I get it. The embedded platform of the MiFi router is easier to write MITM exploits for than your laptop.
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free public wifi available in an airport? in 2009?
do you actually fly?
hell, it's rare to see free wifi in a hotel...
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Tampa International Airport (TPA) has free public WiFi.
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What are you talking about? Every hotel I stayed at on my trip up and down the west coast and then out from CA to TN and back had free internet wifi AND ethernet jacks in lamps in the tables, and they're all different companies!
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everything from desert roadside dumps to the Hilton overlooking SanFran's bay. All had free internet.
Got one. Love it. (Score:5, Informative)
I bought one on a Friday night, and it paid for itself and earned its monthly keep before lunchtime on Saturday.
Interestingly, it seems to be far more sensitive to Verizon's local RF signals than my phone is. Which is nice.
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I have no interest in using a netbook most of the time. I can grab my wife's if I need it, but would usually rather use a beefier machine. And of course, MUCH better battery life running this little WiFi bubble for those other devices, since we're not running a whole computer, with display and storage, just to bridge 3G to WiFi.
Nothing new (Score:4, Interesting)
It's pretty cool given the size of the device, but bridging cellular and WiFi networks is nothing new. I'm sure it's been done long before; personally I recall doing this in 2006 while working at Cal-IT2 (a research institution at UCSD). I was with a group of engineers stuck in barracks at Moffett Field with no WiFi or TV. We did have a Soekris board running Debian, a Verizon PCMCIA broadband card, and PCMCIA WiFi card which worked with hostap; and we ended up with a WiFi access point serving cellular broadband.
These days I can do the same thing using my Samsung Saga and ICScontrol to share connection over WiFi. Or I can tether to my phone to my laptop running Gentoo, place my laptop's WiFi card in ad-hoc mode.
Re:Nothing new (Score:4, Insightful)
It's the size and convenience. None of your mentioned solutions offer anything close to the MiFi form factor. Try fitting your Soekris board in your pocket.
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Actually you're mistaken. The program I referred to, ICScontrol, runs on my Samsung Saga. My Saga is about the size of the MiFi (if not smaller). Also if I'm going to use the MiFi, I'm going to have a computer with me anyway (otherwise there's no point). So both solutions (running the Internet sharing app directly on my phone or tethering then sharing via Ad-Hoc) both apply.
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DIGI has been selling these devices for years. Others did before them;
http://www.digi.com/products/cellulargateways/ [digi.com]
When you have a remote office out in the middle of no where and you need Internet, sometimes this is the only option. This or VSAT/DirecWay.
Another Option: Kyocera KR-2 (Score:3, Informative)
Your other option instead of waiting for a Mi-Fi, or if you want the portability of a USB cellular modem, is the Kyocera KR-2 [kyocera-wireless.com] Mobile Router. I use this with Verizon and it has the added benefit of being network-neutral, and also allowing for using another (faster) network and reverting to the cellular connection as a backup. The downside? Not as portable.
Call me when the price drops. (Score:5, Interesting)
Let's talk when this can be used for using the internet. Until the price/GB drops, this is pretty much useless.
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No, that was the Internet 5 years ago. Now I need to be able to watch streaming videos and and do all those things. Devices like the iPhone have shown that people aren't interested in using the mobile internet for 1 hour/day while on a bus. They want to use it all the time, everywhere they are. I don't want there to be a distinction between "crappy internet on the go" and "home/office internet". I want everything everywhere. That's the world we're moving into, and I'm not interested in settling.
I don't unde
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Not only that, but Verizon used to be "Unlimited" for their devices with the hidden cap being around 10GB, not 5. And even then, they would only cut you if you frequently broke 10GB.
We're seeing steps backward.
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No. I would be happy when it is as fast or faster than my cable internet and costs the same for an unlimited connection. I just don't believe in going backwards.
Anyone know its international coverage? (Score:1, Interesting)
I thought this would be awesome, just the device I need until I tried to get an answer out of Verizon about the international coverage. The guy on the phone didn't even know the Mifi (okay, it was a week before it was due for public release). I've now tried twice to get an email answer about international coverage.
I'm a travel writer. I can't even seem to get anyone -- from any major carrier -- to intelligently talk about international coverage. If I'm going to be locked into a plan for 2 years, I damn
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Apparently pre-paid data SIMs in Europe don't really exist. They bill you up to $31/MB in equivalent charges, which empties your pre-paid pretty quick. Not to mention crossing borders and finding out your pre-paid is all of a sudden 'foreign' and charging you for incoming calls. Darn.
Damn, but it figures. Even the Europeans see data as a cash cow. And they are so right. Plan on using hotel WiFi and putting up with marginal service and no VOIP.
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I thought a quad-band phone would work in pretty much any country (with a functioning GSM and/or 3G network, of course), and that it was more of a question of unbelievably high roaming charges. I dunno about Japan, but Europe is no problem. Most Southeast-Asian countries have perfectly normal GSM networks too.
Nevermind.. (Score:1, Informative)
I was just about to pull the trigger on ordering one to replace my company supplied Verizon usb dongle, until I found out it cost $399 without contract (since the dongle and contract is company owned, I can't go messing with it).
Stupid carriers mark up the prices and then subsidize them at the price they should be at un-subsidized. The hell this thing cost $400 to make/market/support.
ARGH!
Have this as well - it is an outstanding product (Score:5, Informative)
As others point out, it isn't a revolution in communication. It is, however, a very elegant implementation of a useful service at a price that is (for my needs) reasonable.
I've been using it a week or two now, here's what my take:
Summary: It does what it says it does, in the way it promises, without the slightest hassle. For electronics, that's a hell of an endorsement.
The GOOD:
1. Size - it's damn easy to carry It really is as small as the ads make it look.
2. Replaceable Battery - I have a spare right with it (spare was just under $40)
3. Runs on USB charger, laptop USB, or Battery
4. Good - maybe not amazing - battery life (2-3 hours in reality)
5. Micro-usb connector is compatible with my phone charger so I carry fewer blocks
6. Performance -> It out performs the EVDO Rev A. Mini-PCI card that I had in my laptop.
7. Reception -> Better than my best cell phone ---- Also, in poor reception areas like some hotel rooms, I can put it over by the window where the signal is good, and use the network anywhere in the room!
8. Ubiquity -> I don't have to pick what device I bring with me based on my connectivity needs.
9. Multi-Device support -> Laptop, Hand-held game, netbook, kid's laptop in the car, etc.
10. No need to use the crappy Verizon connection software on the laptop (or worse, Dell's bastard stepchild version)
Less Good / Room to Improve
1. It needs a signal level indicator on the outside surface. To check signal, you have to hit the router's config page with a browser.
2. The data sheet on this says it has a connector for an external antenna. I have yet to see such a thing. Maybe it is hiding.
3. It seems to be powered up any time you plug it in to charge. No way to charge with the wifi part off (you can tell it not to connect to the cell network)
Overall, I'm really impressed with this thing.
Sure, I could run a linux vm on my laptop and share the internal card over the wireless; I could get a router that's compatible with another evdo card, or some other solution -- but this just works and works well.
As far as the cost: If you travel on business and end up paying for hotel wifi, this quickly pays for itself. Better yet, is the ability to pop open the laptop or handheld pretty much ANYWHERE and pretty much ANYTIME and get connected. Airport baggage claim, taxi cab, doctor's waiting room, and most important at the park waiting for one of my kids to finish soccer practice. You could just find an open wifi, but I like knowing what I'm connected to.
microusb vs miniusb (Score:1)
Regarding the microusb connector, my experience is the opposite. The MiFi is the first device I've had using this connector. In comparison, my phone, my cameras, my GPS's, etc all use the miniusb connector. I must have two dozen of these cables lying around. Meanwhile, I now have to remember to pack the "special" microusb cable for the Mifi.
(And, size-wise, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have used miniusb instead of microusb)
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As it happened, I bought the MIFI at the same time I gritted my teeth and dove in headfirst on the BB Storm (which it turns out, I actually like -- though I can see where others may not). Both use the new Micro-USB connectors, and I'd purchased a car charger and second home charger for the phone (I keep one in my briefcase for travel). Now, between the two devices I have cables and plus wherever I need them. Synergy working for me for a change.
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10. No need to use the crappy Verizon connection software on the laptop (or worse, Dell's bastard stepchild version)
Less Good / Room to Improve
As far as the VZ software goes, I learned from a board a long while ago that you can setup a dial up connection (dialing *777) through the WWAN modem, and it will connect over a standard DUN. Thankfully, I was able to do this and avoid installing the VZ/Smith Micro abomination they have.
This is great... (Score:4, Interesting)
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Your solution involves tethering which might be illegal with a wireless provider. Not the same.
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While it may thought of like a breach of contract, I don't think your use of "illegal" is correct in this case.
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Immobile phone in HK (Score:3, Informative)
For a family on the go w/ a bunch of ipod touches, (Score:2)
I can't believe it's cheaper in Argentina! (Score:1)
I live in Argentina. We have a pretty good 3G network, provided by 3 companies (Movistar, owned by Telefonica, Claro, owned by TelMEX and Personal, owned by Telecom). I have a small huawei 3G device, it's GNU/Linux and Mac OS friendly, and I only pay $31 (31 US Dollars) a month for unlimited access. It works almost everywhere. I travel a lot, and I even get signal on small towns, and even on the road (I have signal over the 400 km from Buenos Aires to Mar del Plata). Speeds vary, but it's more than usabe (O
iPhone = Non Verizon GSM device? (Score:1)
Can we get rid of the term Wi-Fi, please? (Score:2)
The term wi-fi is a hijack of Hi-Fi. The Fi in Hi-Fi is meaningful, in Wi-Fi it's meaningless. It's just an attempt to steal recognition and to be cutesy. Calling it wireless is plenty informative. Have you seen the commercial for HD sunglasses? They go on and on about being "high definition" to borrow the name recognition of HDTV.
Off my lawn.
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Re:Isn't this what bluetooth was supposed to handl (Score:2)
The Dial-Up Networking profile on most current VZW phones is enabled, so in theory you should be able to set up a connection through Bluetooth. This isn't officially supported, though, which means you're on your own setting it up. There's a BT profile compatibility chart at http://www.verizonwireless.com/bluetooth [verizonwireless.com].
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AFAIK, that only lets you use dial-up - I have a Verizon phone with no data plan, and on the few occasions I need to get to the network & have no WiFi access, I use it. I get 14.4kbps, so it's pretty painful, but it does work. Tethering to the 3G network is a whole different deal, and they're going to charge you for it.