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Amateur Scientists Seek Fusion Reaction 401

ElvaWSJ writes "A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans — fewer than 100 worldwide — are building working nuclear-fusion reactors at home. The designs are based on the work of Philo T. Farnsworth, an inventor of television, from the 1960s. Some of these hobbyists hope similar reactors can one day power the planet, but so far they consume more energy than they create."
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Amateur Scientists Seek Fusion Reaction

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2008 @09:43PM (#24653587)
    Can a string theorist explain why this won't work?, in simple terms please.
  • by Kagura ( 843695 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @09:44PM (#24653593)
    "A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans -- fewer than 100 worldwide -- are building working perpetual motion devices at home. The designs are based on the work of Albert Michelson, co-proponent of luminiferous aether theory, from the 1890s. Some of these hobbyists hope similar devices can one day power the planet, but so far they consume more energy than they create."

    Good article.
  • by TheSHAD0W ( 258774 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @09:47PM (#24653619) Homepage

    Because for every hobbyist who builds one of these hoping to get more power than they put in, there's someone in the background playing a violin...

  • by MarkRose ( 820682 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @09:52PM (#24653665) Homepage
    Meanwhile at my home, I've perfected the generation of natural gas by eating the right combination of Burger King and Taco Bell.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:00PM (#24653737)

    further investigations are preceding.

    Sweet. They built a time machine.

  • by lgw ( 121541 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:06PM (#24653803) Journal

    Only the first paragraph was quoted from TFA - preview button, who needs it!

  • by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:09PM (#24653829)

    I can't fucking wait for the day cold fusion arrives and we get to tell all those assholes in the middle east "Hey heres a fusion reactor that lasts for a century and costs $500. We'll no longer be needing your oil"

  • WMD (Score:5, Funny)

    by clarkkent09 ( 1104833 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:11PM (#24653843)
    A small subculture of amateur physicists and science-fiction fans -- fewer than 100 worldwide -- are building working nuclear-fusion reactors at home.

    In other news, a small subculture of amateur neoconservatives are building working homemade tanks, fighter jets and cruise missiles in order to seek out and destroy these Weapons Of Mass Destruction before its too late and a mushroom cloud appears in somebody's basement
  • by EdIII ( 1114411 ) * on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:24PM (#24653947)

    Burger King and Taco Bell? You could do so much better. Let me help.

    Step 1: Broccoli and Cheese soup. Crush some Oyster Crackers into it and DON'T forget the Tabasco sauce.
    Step 2: Pork and Beans. 1 Can. Always a classic.
    Step 3: ONE foot-long-cheap-ass Don Miguel burrito (the spicy red one). Can be purchased at any fine 7-11 anywhere. Only ONE. Trust me.
    Step 4: 5 Hardboiled eggs with salt and pepper.
    Step 5: Steamed Cabbage and 2 raw onions with plenty of butter.
    Step 6: A single large bag of Funyuns.

    Do all of this within 3 1/2 hours. Sit on the couch and wait about another 2-3 hours. Hold everything in till about 6 hours after you started.

    You know that saying "killed the dog"? Well if you have pets, I don't recommend this.

    DISCLAIMER: If you have any kind of a heart condition, or if anyone else in the house has one DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS.

  • by the_humeister ( 922869 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:26PM (#24653959)

    Strong enough to kill, and death by radiation poisoning is not my idea of a fun time.

    Well, different strokes for different folks...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:28PM (#24653973)

    That's my favorite book ever... having been a boyscout with a parent who worked at a nuclear power plant.

    Due to my book report on "The Nuclear Boyscout," way back when, I am now unemployable. Sucks to be me.

  • by Spatial ( 1235392 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:34PM (#24654023)
    I don't think it can hear him from here. We need to send him a bit closer! :)
  • by adric ( 91323 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:35PM (#24654043)
    Now if they could put it in the form of a suppository...
  • by jcorno ( 889560 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:39PM (#24654057)

    The reason is, and I don't care if I'm modded down to -1, some mods would rather bitch slap people than do actual work like thinking and reading post. Some mods use it to suppress differing opinion.

    I just don't get it. When I have mod points I look for good stuff to mod up.

    That's funny. I usually waste my mod points modding down posts that start with variations on "Go ahead and mod me down." I guess this is your lucky day.

  • by jpellino ( 202698 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:40PM (#24654069)

    Really embarrassing or REALLY embarrassing.

  • by Profane MuthaFucka ( 574406 ) <busheatskok@gmail.com> on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:43PM (#24654093) Homepage Journal

    Confucius say "Man who build fusion reactor at home flux his wife instead of his secretary."

  • by cashman73 ( 855518 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:51PM (#24654135) Journal
    Carl Willis, a 27-year-old doctoral student at Ohio State University, who keeps his fusor just a few feet from his bed.

    Apparently, he never wants to get laid ... EVER!

  • by Anaerin ( 905998 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @10:57PM (#24654173)

    By and large, the only skill the alchemists of Ankh-Morpork had discovered so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold.

    - Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures [lspace.org]

  • farnsworth (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 18, 2008 @11:20PM (#24654363)

    Why isn't this tagged with "goodnewseveryone"?

  • by Born2bwire ( 977760 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @11:32PM (#24654435)

    So don't forget to wear you film badge. Because nothing says safety like a device that can tell you after the fact that you've received a fatal dose of radiation

  • by tylernt ( 581794 ) on Monday August 18, 2008 @11:43PM (#24654505)

    radiation is not some ocult spawn of satan that any amount of it will make your skin turn green and ressurect dead puppies into zombies.

    Shoot, I just spent all this time building a Farnsworth fusor for nothing.

  • by Free the Cowards ( 1280296 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @12:01AM (#24654613)

    So, I'm having trouble figuring this out, and would appreciate some help. Are you an asshole, or just a moron?

  • by coldsalmon ( 946941 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @12:11AM (#24654673)
    If we just gathered together enough matter, it would start fusing on its own through gravitational force. Using this method, we could create a gigantic fusion reactor in space, and then collect its radiation and convert it to electricity. It would be kind of like harnessing the solar power of the sun...oh wait...
  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @12:35AM (#24654783)

    Exactly. Fusion is already happening in the sun, so why not just bring the sun to the earth? Then we have an active fusion reaction that we KNOW will be maintained for years to come!

  • I've never actually heard anything suggesting Michelson believed in luminiferous aether

    Let me help:

    Delta-V, Delta-T, Albert A. Michaelson

    Wanted to find out why light moved so brisk;

    Needed a much bigger

    Interferometer;

    Back to the drawing board,

    can't get the drift.

    -- sorry, remember the quote but not the attribution.

  • by jamesh ( 87723 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @01:45AM (#24655087)

    Apparently, he never wants to get laid ... EVER!

    And if he does, he needn't worry about birth control...

  • by Urkki ( 668283 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @01:55AM (#24655135)

    Yes, Wikipedia is exactly that, a friend. You know, the kind of friend that likes to tell tall tales, and is generally fun to be around with. Just don't ask him/her to help with your homework, at least not if must get it right or you'll flunk ;-)

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @02:15AM (#24655221)

    By and large, the only skill the alchemists of Ankh-Morpork had discovered so far was the ability to turn gold into less gold.

    I think my wife already has a patent on that ...

  • by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @02:40AM (#24655305)

    Except this has nothing to do with violating conservation of energy. Tell the sun you can't get a surplus of energy out of fusion.

    Except this has nothing to do with violating conservation of energy.

    nothing to do with violating conservation of energy.

    violating conservation of energy.

    violating

    viola (*accompanies by playing a small violin*)

  • by Xiaran ( 836924 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @02:57AM (#24655399)
    Maybe he's a "morhole" or an "assron"... I wanna be an assron.
  • by jacquesm ( 154384 ) <j AT ww DOT com> on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @03:04AM (#24655439) Homepage

    a couple of hundred bucks, less if you live near a junkyard :)

  • by damburger ( 981828 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @04:12AM (#24655727)

    I don't mean getting Mr. Fusor to give Mrs. Fusor a special cuddle, I mean using the thing as a neutron source to produce fission fuel.

    I'm guessing not, as the thing would be more tightly controlled.

  • by Nazlfrag ( 1035012 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @07:35AM (#24656671) Journal

    Radioactive carbon is one thing, uranium and plutonium another. There may be some typical overreaction by Greenpeace yet I'm not sure you should dismiss the issue as trivial so lightly. There were linked articles that shed some light on their concerns.

    Greenpeace revealed that Cogema, the operator of the state-owned La Hague reprocessing plant, has installed inadequate equipment off the plant's discharge pipe, 30 metres under the sea, in a flawed attempt to prevent the routine discharge of radioactive particles into the ocean. Levels of radiation on the outside of the two steel chambers are so high (up to 500 micro-sieverts each hour) that a no-dive zone was self imposed by Greenpeace's radio-protection officer.

    Since July, Cogema have been attempting to remove the radioactive crust from within their waste pipe. Greenpeace had called upon French authorities for a thorough Environmental Impact Assessment prior to any operation. This was not conducted, and during the operation hundreds of kilograms of waste material escaped into the ocean.

    Greenpeace revealed today that nuclear particles larger than 63 microns were captured during a scientific sampling FROM Cogema's discharge pipe, while the Discharge Authorization from 1980 states that no particle larger than 25 microns can be discharged by the reprocessing plant.

    In late 1998, following a green light and final checks by regulatory authorities DSIN, responsible for regulating nuclear transport, and OPRI which handles radioprotection, spent fuel shipment transportation from Cruas-Meysse to La Hague resumed. Shipments had been suspended in April 1998 after safety authorities reported ground contamination at the Valognes terminal near La Hague.

    In mid-January 1997, the British Medical Journal published a study by two French scientists, Dominique Pobel and Jean-FranÃois Viel. The report warned of an increased risk of leukaemia for children who played regularly on beaches near the nuclear La Hague reprocessing plant, triggering local public concern. French Environment and Health Ministries commissioned an official epidemiological study of leukaemia around La Hague to be conducted by a high-level, ten-member team of experts. On 16 June 1997, the Secretary of State for Health requested OPRI (Office for Protection against Ionizing Radiation) to conduct an analysis of the marine environment (water, sediments, fauna, flora) around the sea discharge end of the effluent pipe of the La Hague plant. Measurements taken by OPRI near the beaches detected no radioactivity above the natural radioactivity level.

    Activists such as Rousselet had reason to doubt La Hague's chemistry, essentially the same as the separation process developed by the Manhattan Project. It has proved an ecological, occupational, and humanitarian disaster nearly everywhere else. Spills and explosions at reprocessing plants in the United States, Russia, and Britain have polluted rivers and contaminated hundreds of thousands of acres. Britain's Sellafield reprocessing complex, on England's Cumbrian coast, was shuttered in April 2005 after safety authorities discovered that 83 cubic meters of highly radioactive liquids had spilled during a period of nine months.

    While they may be rabidly anti-nuclear they still have a right to be concerned.

  • by Lisandro ( 799651 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @09:07AM (#24657309)

    And resistance is IR^2, damn!, I mean : futile. :)

    Yeah! Power to the resistance!

  • by I Like Pudding ( 323363 ) on Tuesday August 19, 2008 @03:29PM (#24663109)

    Can a string theorist explain why this won't work?, in simple terms please.

    Sun big and hot. Reactor small and hot. Big hot better than small hot. String work better that way.

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