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Performance Comparison of Current Intel Core 2 CPUs 73

crazyeyes writes "Intel has way too many Core 2 processor models. No one really knows if it's worth paying $100 more for a Core 2 Quad, instead of a Core 2 Duo. And when tech websites start interjecting codenames like Wolfdale, Kentsfield and Yorkfield, you know the battle is lost. All we want is a simple guide on the REAL WORLD performance differences between the many Intel Core 2 processors. How do they perform in games like Crysis, 3D rendering software, video encoding software, etc.? Fortunately, there is such a guide — just simple comparisons of the relative performance of these CPUs."
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Performance Comparison of Current Intel Core 2 CPUs

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  • Nvidia too? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bert64 ( 520050 ) <bert@[ ]shdot.fi ... m ['sla' in gap]> on Saturday April 19, 2008 @03:43PM (#23129224) Homepage
    Someone needs to do the same for nvidia graphics cards...
    I went out and bought an 8600 card, only to find out later that a 7900 is actually faster (despite being lower model number and previous generation tech).
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Mad Merlin ( 837387 )

      Someone needs to do the same for nvidia graphics cards... I went out and bought an 8600 card, only to find out later that a 7900 is actually faster (despite being lower model number and previous generation tech).

      Yeah, the lower end 8 series cards are real dogs. I wouldn't bother with any 8 series card under an 8800 GS/GT/GTS/GTX, as you pointed out, the 7 series cards are faster.

      • Yeah, the lower end 8 series cards are real dogs. I wouldn't bother with any 8 series card under an 8800 GS/GT/GTS/GTX, as you pointed out, the 7 series cards are faster.

        Depends which OS you are using. I find my GeForce 8500 GT works real nice under Ubuntu. Even ran Vista decently before changed the OS.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by timeOday ( 582209 )
        Is the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB used in the review any good? It could only muster 18 fps on Crysis at only 1280x1024, regardless of CPU. Isn't that game about a year old? Interesting that the most graphics-hungry game would be two years ahead of the hardware (because 18fps doesn't cut it).
        • Is the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB used in the review any good? It could only muster 18 fps on Crysis at only 1280x1024, regardless of CPU. Isn't that game about a year old? Interesting that the most graphics-hungry game would be two years ahead of the hardware (because 18fps doesn't cut it).

          I would say it is. I think the Crysis developers just didn't bother spending any time optimizing.

        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Is the GeForce 8800 GTS 512MB used in the review any good?

          From what I've seen, the GeForce 8800 GT 512MB cards are the best bang-for-the-buck at the moment. I just recently upgraded from a pair of 7950 GT cards in SLI mode to a pair of 8800 GT cards.

          (Enough of an upgrade that I'm now CPU-bound instead of GPU-bound. Oops.)
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by greg1104 ( 461138 )
    • Re:Nvidia too? (Score:5, Informative)

      by mobby_6kl ( 668092 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @04:10PM (#23129400)
      Well, maybe you should've thought about it for a few extra second before buying the card. The 7900 is indeed one generation older (the 7<8 part), but it's higher up in Nvidia's model range (900>600). Knowing this, I think it's unreasonable to expect the newer, but much cheaper card to be significantly/any (depending on exact configuratio) faster than the older one.

      And not to be a complete dick, here's a handy chart for comparing graphics cards [tomshardware.com] across several games.
    • Re: (Score:1, Offtopic)

      by RichPowers ( 998637 )
      NVIDIA's newest top-of-the-line card is the 9800. I'm using a 9800 right now -- only it was produced by ATI some four years ago.

      The (mild) confusion brought by NVIDIA's naming scheme wouldn't be an issue if ATI's 9800 series was shoddy or unspectacular. But the cards are so good that many people still use them today.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Hadlock ( 143607 )
        My friend won a 9800 pro before they even came out (yeah he was THAT GUY at quakecon). He's got it pushing a 1080p hdtv now as part of his media box (though it doesn't support HDCP since it wasn't even invented yet). Those are amazing cards considering the life you were able to wring out of them (5+ years)
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by sa1lnr ( 669048 )
      You can do a spec comparison here http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php [gpureview.com].

      Not a real world comparison but it may be useful.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by Fweeky ( 41046 )
      Try Tom's VGA Charts [tomshardware.com].

      And even a passing understanding of how their model numbers work should make it obvious that an 8600 isn't necessarily even as good as a 7900; yes, it's a newer generation (7 -> 8), but it's a much cheaper part (900 -> 600).
    • They do this on purpose, it wasn't always this way. It's been this way since the geforce 5 genration roughly.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by springbox ( 853816 )
      ATI and NVIDIA guide [techarp.com]
    • by haruchai ( 17472 )
      The Geforce pages on Wikipedia are very informative
      regarding processor tech, spec numbers and model classes. But, it's quite a bit of reading.

      A Geforce 7900 is a high end 7 Series while a 8600 is a (barely) midrange 8 Series.

      The 8 series supports a higher Direct X and Shader model version.
  • Please, intel. Codenames are fine for internal development but for public products it's just insane.

    Do we really need that many different types of CPUs anyway?

    It's easy to understand "Core" vs "Core 2" (2nd version of Core), and "Solo", "Duo", "Quad" (number of cores). More than that though, and you're only confusing your customers.
    • by Mad Merlin ( 837387 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @04:05PM (#23129366) Homepage

      It's easy to understand "Core" vs "Core 2" (2nd version of Core), and "Solo", "Duo", "Quad" (number of cores).

      Actually, it's not. The Core Duo is not based on the Core microarchitecture, the Core Duo is just 2 Pentium-Ms fused together and does not include 64-bit support. The Core 2 Duo is the first CPU to use the Core microarchitecture and includes 64-bit support.

      Don't forget that the first Intel Quad didn't actually include Quad in the name, either. It was called the Core 2 Extreme QX6700.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by TeknoHog ( 164938 )

        The Core Duo is not based on the Core microarchitecture, the Core Duo is just 2 Pentium-Ms fused together and does not include 64-bit support. The Core 2 Duo is the first CPU to use the Core microarchitecture and includes 64-bit support.

        Where do you draw the line between incremental upgrades and new architectures? The Core 2 is not completely new, it's an updated and extended (as in "64-bit extensions") version of the Core, which is almost but not quite the same as Pentium M. Which in turn is basically a Pentium III with the frontend taken from Pentium 4.

        • by tjrw ( 22407 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @06:23PM (#23130388) Homepage
          Sorry, but that simply is not the case. The "Core brand did not use the new "Core 2" microarchitecture. The Core 2 microarchitecture *is* significantly different to the Pentium-M/Yonah microarchitecture. Intel marketing were total dickheads to label the warmed-over Pentium-M as "Core". If they had avoided doing so, we could have had a "Core" brand with the "Core microarchitecture" and avoided all of this confusion.

          Core 2 was designed from the ground up (i.e. it isn't an updated Yonah/P-M), and incorporates ideas from both the Pentium-M design and the ill-fated Netburst architecture. The Core 2 execution unit is 4 issues wide unlike both Yonah/Netburst that were 3-issue cores. Core 2 is 64-bit across the board. It does single-cycle 128-bit SSE instructions. It has "macro-ops fusion" (the clever trick that combines a lot of "compare and jump" x86 instruction pairs into a single micro-op. It does memory-disambiguation to allow much more aggressive memory access reordering, etc. etc. Yes, it is logically a progression in the P6 family, but it was a very big jump architecturally. Ho hum.
    • I have to agree, "Core" and "Core 2" have to be the stupidest names I've ever heard of for processor architecture. They do nothing but confuse ordinary people (which may be Intel's intention).
    • It is easy to understand now how the naming process works out, but I for one believed for the longest time (up to a few weeks a go actually) that "Core 2 Duo" actually meant it had 4 cores.

      My thought process was:
      "Core Duo" = 2 cores
      "Core 2 Duo" = 2 * 2 = 4 cores
      "Core 2 Quad" = 2 * 4 = 8 cores

      I'm someone who is usually really into these sort of things and yet even I was confused by their cryptic product naming.
  • by Yvan256 ( 722131 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @03:48PM (#23129256) Homepage Journal
    This is the list of the CPUs in the article:
    Core 2 Extreme QX9650
    Core 2 Quad Q9550
    Core 2 Quad Q9450
    Core 2 Duo E8500
    Core 2 Duo E8400
    Core 2 Duo E8300
    Core 2 Duo E8200/E8190
    Core 2 Extreme QX6850
    Core 2 Extreme QX6800
    Core 2 Extreme QX6700
    Core 2 Quad Q6700
    Core 2 Quad Q6600
    Core 2 Duo E6850
    Core 2 Duo E6750
    Core 2 Duo E6600
    Core 2 Duo E6550/E6540
    Core 2 Duo E6420
    Core 2 Duo E6320

    Seriously, someone in the marketing department needs a swift kick in the ass.
    • by Waffle Iron ( 339739 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @04:33PM (#23129604)
      I think that all those numbers at the ends are too confusing. They should replace them with unique combinations of easy-to-remember terms such as "Pair", "Twin" and "Quartet". Then we would have more friendly names without arbitrary digits, such as:

      Core 2 Duo Twin Pair Double
      Core 2 Extreme Quartet Pair Duplex
      Core 2 Quad Twin Quartet II Deuce
      Core 2 Trio Double Couplet Twin Duet

      • Core 2 Trio Double Couplet Twin Duet
        You seem to have forgotten Super Core 2 Duo World Fighter Turbo.

        And let's not even start with five cores. The "Pentium" brand does not need a revisitation as Pentio, even if it gives me an excuse to say Super Core 2 Twin Turbo EX plus Alpha Midnight Remix Advance, Ryu's Legacy Final Form.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Mex ( 191941 )
      "Seriously, someone in the marketing department needs a swift kick in the ass."

      Ha ha, are you kidding? They most likely have got a raise.

      I upgraded my machine for the first time in about 5 years, and I had to ask a LOT of questions before I found out that the Q6600 had the best price/performance ratio at the time. In the end, Toms Hardware charts of CPU comparisons was the simplest way to figure it out.

      Any normal person who walks into a store will have absolutely no idea whether a Core 2 Duo E6850 is better
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        ghz hasn't been the best indicator of a processor since EVER, different processors at different speeds perform differently. A 2.6ghz athlon would wipe the floor with a 2.6ghz dualcore pentium and both would be completely thrashed by a 2.6ghz core 2 duo.

        Intel's naming is not confusing at all to anyone that should be looking at it to begin with, which is to say everything at least as intelligent as a spoon of yeast.
  • I'm also curious to see a greater variety of benchmarks, for both 32 and 64bit code... And explanations of wether the code uses SSE functions or not etc...
    Different processors are faster for different tasks, and i would like to get the best price/performance relative to what i'm doing...

    If i'm running purely 64bit code for instance, AMD cpus do quite well, but if i'm running heavy SSE based code Intel chips tend to perform a lot better.
  • by jdb2 ( 800046 ) * on Saturday April 19, 2008 @04:27PM (#23129552) Journal
    This may be a little off-topic, but I've been trying to find out exactly what architectural difference is responsible for the Intel Core having a higher IPC than the AMD Barcelona. I've looked at all manner of micro-architectural diagrams and descriptions of both architectures, yet I am unable to pinpoint any obvious reason for the Core's higher IPC. Perhaps I'm overlooking something simple -- that would be just like me.

    Can anyone provide some elucidation for this topic?

    jdb2

  • by crath ( 80215 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @04:34PM (#23129608) Homepage

    US Government regulations require that Intel publish performance numbers for all of their CPUs. See the following links for the relative performance of all of Intel's CPUs. Make your own graphs if you need a pretty picture.

    Intel microprocessor export compliance metrics:

  • by Anonymous Coward
    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

    Almost every CPU compared. Now was that so hard?
    • by crath ( 80215 )
      Lots of CPUs (e.g., Intel mobile ULV processors) aren't on this site; which is why I posted the links to the Intel export compliance numbers.
  • I don't really see the point in this sort of study.

    The games mentioned, particularly Crysis, are going to get limited by graphics cards rather than processors anyway beyond the very lowest level processors and the most simplistic in-game graphics settings.

    Some of the processors overclock much better than others, and for anyone who's actually reading an article like this and going to do anything with the information, this is likely to be very relevant.

    FWIW, it's only a few months since I put together m

  • I haven't been known to be on the top of the CPU performance graph for years now, and this benchmark proves one thing to me: I'll rather go for a fast hard disk and fast internet connection before thinking about upgrading my CPU. Sure, there are things that are CPU bound. But only if I really see a need for performance for a very specific task, then I'll look for a quad core or high frequency processor. And if it is for a single task, I'll look around and ask a few friends who might have one already. Maybe
    • Yeah, remember when we talked about the benchmarks being only marginally meaningful, back when there were lots of CPU architecture options for the desktop? 6809 vs. 8088, 68K vs. x86 (>286), and then all the various reductions (optimizations) to specific classes of operations (sparc, arm, etc.)?

      All the stupid half-baked arguments about which was better overall when you are more interested in specific functions, all the production of half-useful benchmarks taken completely out of context to support the sa
  • 7-zip compressing. Multimedia encoding. VC++ has an ever so awesome /MP [microsoft.com] switch. Windows threads getting previews for all your files in explorer. Heck, even Excel 2007 will thread your calculations behind the scenes.

    Games may not make significant use of multi-core yet, but some other real-world things do. Quad core definitely makes an impact on my daily usage.

    • VC++ has an ever so awesome /MP [microsoft.com] switch.
      So does GNU make. On a single-core machine, make -j2 builds in two processes so that one can do disk I/O while the other does CPU-bound program analysis. On a multiple-core machine, replace the 2 with one more than the number of cores.
  • by Carbon016 ( 1129067 ) on Saturday April 19, 2008 @09:51PM (#23131772)
    E8xxx are 45nm. The die is Wolfdale. E6xxx are 65nm. The die is Conroe/Allendale. Q9xxx are quad 45nm. The die is Yorkfield. Q6xxx are quad 65nm. The die is Kentsfield. Generally speaking, anything in the E8xxx line is better than any of the E6xxx line, and anything in the Q9xxx line is better than anything in the Q6xxx line. I'm not understanding what's hard to figure out about this. It's pretty clear nomenclature, especially compared to AMD's 3405940900+X2 silly naming system that's a relic of the megahertz wars, and ATI's similar crazy system. It seems if you go by relative performance in your number system, people complain, but if you go by new "families" like Nvidia, people complain too.
    • by zdzichu ( 100333 )
      I professionally touch only AMD Opteron processors and they are labeled clearly. 1220, 2350, 8320 - XYZZ.
      X is maximum socket count for CPU, tied with number of coherent HT links. I haven't seen Opteron servers with more than 8 sockets.
      Y is generation. 3 is Barcelona (native quad).
      ZZ is frequency number. It is increased by 100 or 200 MHz each two ticks.

      For example:
      2218 is 2.6 GHz; 2220 is 2.8 Ghz, 2222 is 3.0 GHz.
      There are occasionaly two letters added: HE (High Efficiency) for CPU dissipating 68/75W, or SE
  • Wow. Let's run a bunch of single-threaded benchmarks to show how a faster CPU beats a slower CPU!

    BRILLIANCE!

    Why not run tests for F@H or Distributed.net and show what beats what?

    Oh yes. The mythical "ordinary load".

    This article may as well have just run 3dMark and called it a day, their results being almost as meaningful.
    • Wow. Let's run a bunch of single-threaded benchmarks to show how a faster CPU beats a slower CPU! BRILLIANCE! Why not run tests for F@H or Distributed.net and show what beats what? Oh yes. The mythical "ordinary load". This article may as well have just run 3dMark and called it a day, their results being almost as meaningful.
      You must be really drunk to say that the CINEBENCH and x264 benchmarks are single-threaded.
  • Lots of bar graphs in the article, but no mention anywhere of the prices of the various Core 2 CPUs, which is surely important (especially if the chip has the word "Extreme" in its name)? It made the conclusion page fairly lame - most people would want to know which CPU offers the best bang for your buck, but we're given no clue about this metric and therefore are just as confused as to which Core 2 CPU to buy!
  • I do remember quite fondly when I purchased a 386 33 MHz, and it was quite obvious how much faster a 386 66 MHz chip would be. Then there was the 486 line, and the DX2/DX4 monikers to indicate internal clock double or quadruple. Not a big deal. Then it got into Pentiums and things really got confusing, because they released the Celeron, then Pentium M, then a whole bunch of other chips since then that don't seem to give you a good understanding of exactly how much horsepower you're purchasing.

    I just purc
  • Super PI measures real world performance?

    I think their benchmarks give too much weight to the quad core processors. It's still the case that most applications that people use don't really use more than two cores at once.

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