NVIDIA Performance On Linux, Solaris, & Vista 231
AtomBOB suggests a Phoronix review comparing the performance of a Quadro graphics card on Windows Vista Ultimate, Solaris Express Developer, and Ubuntu Linux. The graphics card used was a NVIDIA Quadro FX 1700 mid-range workstation part. The cross-platform benchmark used was SPECViewPerf 9.0 from SPEC. Quoting Phoronix: "Using the Quadro FX1700 512MB and the latest display drivers, Windows Vista wasn't the decisive winner, but the loser... Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 5 with the 169.12 driver had overall produced the fastest results within SPECViewPerf. In only three benchmarks had Solaris Express Developer 1/08 outpaced Ubuntu Linux, but with two of these tests the results were almost identical.""
What is the difference? (Score:5, Interesting)
Alex
Re:What is the difference? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What is the difference? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:What is the difference? (Score:5, Informative)
Thats called culling and it is implemented in software, not hardware.
If I remember correctly there was a simple hack posted on Toms Hardware a while back for converting a Radeon to a FireGL. You simply solder an SMT resistor to a certain trace on the chip package and it pulls a line low. That line actually signals the BIOS to report the card as a Radeon or a FireGL. So in essence the Radeon and FireGL are the EXACT SAME CARD! The only difference is the FireGL drivers look for a Radeon reporting itself as a FireGL. This keeps production simple and even the video card BIOS versions the same.
The FireGL and Quattro cards come with optimized drivers for specific 3D programs like AutoCAD, Maya, 3DSMax, Light Wave etc. There is a drop down box that lets you select the program your using and it loads the finely tuned driver for that program.
Stereo 3D Support Is One (Score:4, Interesting)
I use them for my stereoscopic video stuff with either a pair of shutter glasses or 3D HMD goggles, and can do a live, 3D viewfinder to compose the scene, align cameras, etc.
"Not showing every texture"?? (Score:2)
The difference is partly in the capabilities, eg. Pro cards can do two-sided lighting, and partly in the drivers. Drivers for "pro" cards are more conservative (not always the very latest release), do more validation of input data, and are therefore a little bit slower.
PS: The difference in features is completely artificial, I've "added" two sided lig
Re:True, but... (Score:5, Funny)
No, you've just accidentally switched to Firefox on Slashdot.
Wait a few moments, the cognitive dissonance will pass and you'll be up and trolling like a champ again.
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
back on topic...nvidia pdf [nvidia.com] from september of 2003 explaining the differences. Yeah, old, but it's the only document on nvidia's website that I could find that would explain the differences.
Re:True, but... (Score:4, Funny)
man woman
Re: (Score:2)
Re:True, but... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What is the difference? (Score:5, Informative)
Quadro vs FX -- http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_geforce.html [nvidia.com]
According to the article, there are some major differences between the two architectures. Where features are programmed either at the hardware layer (quadro), or at the driver layer.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Grandparent link is an interesting one, I can see where they would want to start implementing some of those features in standard game cards though, the "interface plane" would be a nice addition for instance to help the performance in modern games with their HUDs.
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
If the ability to run DirectX 9 under Wine was not enough to move gamers to Linux, this is. Things can only go downhill for Microsoft now.
Not to rain on your parade, but a single benchmark showing Ubuntu besting Windows in nvidia driver performance is not likely to move any gamers to Linux, let alone mark any downward slide for Microsoft which already isn't taking place. Seeing as how this isn't even a graphics card for gamers (it would run games very poorly indeed), it will take a lot more than this to move either casual or hardcore gamers to Linux.
Re: (Score:2)
Nowadays, however, it's looking like the fastest solution (or, at least, a reasonably fast solution) might be to put your game on a Ubuntu live-CD and/or encourage the average gamer to move from Windows to Li
I'm going to have to call BS (Score:3, Informative)
I have to call BS on that. If I have to choose between the latest versions of Open Office and Microsoft Office, I will take M$'s closed solution hands down. The interface on 2007 is vastly improved over other office offerings out there. Making something free and open source does not make it good. I can think of many free applications that don't make the grade in cleanness and usability when compared to commercial offerings.
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008 [hitslink.com]
Linux with a 0.65% market share.
In the W3Schools OS Platform Stats [w3schools.com] Linux has seen 1% growth in four years, Vista 7% growth in one year.
The test suite is at best a snapshot of performance at a particular moment in time. It is rarely as objective a measure of the user's experience as its proponents claim.
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:4, Insightful)
Square pegs don't fit every type of hole. No matter how much we sit around and think about it, no "innovation" will make it fit. We can make some sort of hack and call it a square peg fitting in a round hole, but it isn't really.
The difference between programming and marketing is that marketing isn't about standing on the shoulders of others. Giving away your previous work isn't going to help your successor market to any significant effect.
They have invented "open-source" marketing in the sense of hacks, like viral marketing, that aren't really open source but sort of a vague gesture in that direction, but don't expect traditional marketing to be going anywhere.
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:5, Interesting)
There was also another little automobile manufacturer called Toyota with a very small market share, they made crappy little vehicles, used to be called "piss pots". They had a Business Model called "Continuous Improvement". There was a historic event in 2007 that went quietly unnoticed, Toyota surpassed GM in world market share and revenues.
But Microsoft is not GM (Score:2, Troll)
60% of Microsoft's revenues now come from outside the U.S.
Microsoft has been reporting 15% growth in revenues the U.S., 20 to 30% growth abroad each quarter. This isn't the picture of a company on the way down, it is the picture of a company on the way up.
Microsoft's strength in Europe is astonishing given the entrenched resistance, the take-no-prisoners mood of the EU b
Re:But Microsoft is not GM (Score:4, Interesting)
Amazingly enough, Microsoft has been known to lie about some things. I suggest you review the fine print on those "reports", and then ponder why, if Microsoft's growth is really as reported, their stock hasn't been doing as well as it historically used to. Their cash reserves are also shrinking. Then there are the legal battles they're fighting.
That is the picture of a company on the way down.
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:5, Interesting)
have the largest market share. The same could have been said about IBM pcs, or lotus 1-2-3,
Borland's compiler suite, or wordstar word processor.
The fact of the matter that next winner has to start out small because it gets to grab
marketshare. Google is an excellent counterexample to your argument. They were just 2-3 people
in 1998 working on a master's thesis project when Yahoo and AOL were the big thing. And where
is AOL now? How much marketshare does Yahoo have for search engines?
Personally I think that Dell selling preinstalled Linux boxes in the U.S. was the first toll
of the death bell for Microsoft. Then walmart selling out the green PCs was the next tolling of
the bell, and now that Asus is selling Eepc laptops I think is the first nail in the coffin for Microsoft.
Will Microsoft die overnight? No. Will they go out with a bang? No. I think they will go out with
a whimper within the next 5 years unless they somehow manage to reverse their course like they
did in 1995 and embrace the fact that GPL software is here to stay and start using it.
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:5, Insightful)
These are the same people who when asked what kind of computer they have answer with "black". Also, not many people can associate the maker of the softare they use with the actual software application. You ask them which browser they use and they will say "I don't know. I just click on the blue 'e'." despite the fact that the title bar says "Internet Explorer" 100% of the time the application is open. So I hope you don't expect them to know Microsoft created it if they don't even know its name.
As far as marketing capabilities, I hardly ever see a Microsoft commercial. When I do they don't ever specify any particular product in the commercial. How does that really sell Windows or Office? All the marketing seems to happen behind the scenes from the point of view of the end consumer using deals that happen between OEMs and Microsoft salespeople.
Re:the difference does not matter. (Score:5, Funny)
*I think I just hemorrhage about 5 mod points indirectly with this post at a poor attempt at humor
Surprised.. (Score:4, Interesting)
Either way I think this shows the awesomeness of Ubuntu and Linux. ^_^
Why be suprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
Vista has a new driver architecture and it is goiing to take some time for MS to improve the graphic subsystem performance. It will also take NVidia a while to optimise their code for Vista.
Even then, the Vista architecture might just have some inherent issues that are hard to code around.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
ties into the OS as a whole.
And, you'd be assuming wrong. Neither NVidia nor AMD have old or differing code, from what I understand, for EITHER OpenGL API layer.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Why surprised? (Score:2)
Nvidia is putting a lot of effort into their Vista drivers. The problem is that Windows Vista just plain sucks ass, and there's nothing Nvidia can do about that. They're probably thinking what most other people (including Microsoft, more than likely) are thinking... write Vista off as another WinME-type loser, and wait for the next Windows OS, which pr
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
I am surprised by this as I would have thought Nvidia would have put more effort into their Vista driver with Linux drivers being mostly on the back burner. I am assuming it is because their Linux driver is old code (which we all know contains less bugs then new code) whereas the Vista driver is written from scratch? Either way I think this shows the awesomeness of Ubuntu and Linux. ^_^
Except these are workstation graphics cards. And Windows is the one on the back burner. The CGI industry has been using Unix variants for years, and more recently many are moving to Linux for cost considerations.
Re: (Score:2)
I know its all gone and messed up Open GL, but heck I might just be bitter on that point, since I cant for the life of me find an accelerated GL driver for my Vista Mobil
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Surprised.. (Score:5, Informative)
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
That's actually an old article filled with half truths that only show one particular point of view of the DRM on Vista. It was released shortly after beta and now that Vista has been on the market for months, it has actually shown that 75% of the DRM problems were actually true (while the rest were exaggerations).
Did you even read the articles? The very first paragraph.
New Zealand researcher who wrote a paper last December that made a series of outrageous and inflammatory claims about Windows Vista. Since then, Gutmann has expanded the paper to more than four times its original size. The current version available on Gutmanns website clocks in at more than 26,000 words, making it longer than some recent works of fiction.
The end of the first part:
Gutmann has added nearly 14,000 words to his report since writing the original paper but strangely hasnt updated this part.
So, the article wasn't based on a 'beta' version of Vista like you claim it did. Also, Vista went RTM in Nov 2006 and the article was orginally published in December of that year.
You don't read the articles you reply to, and arbitrarily claim without any proof, reference, link or anything that 75% of the claimed DRM troubles were true. Hello? Gutmann? Is that you? :)
Re: (Score:2)
And on the final page, we see a few interesting bits of history.
Re: (Score:2)
I haven't really paid much attention to Vista DRM one way or another. But even an objective observer would at least actually try the things he Gutmann says can't be done. Rather than spend the money and try, the author cites a sales website, and a clearly photoshopped "example use" on the second page. Of course salesmen are going to say everything's possible. As the recent Vista-capable suit shows, you can't rely on such claims to be accurate.
Are we even reading the same fucking articles???! I am tired of having to go back through the articles to cite them for you.
FTA:
No one has been able to identify a Windows system that will play HD content in HD quality? Countless reviews of PC hardware over the past year say otherwise. In November 2006, PC Magazine praised the Toshiba Qosmio for its exquisite playback of HD DVD discs at 1080p using an Nvidia GeForce Go 7600. (PC Pro UK offers similar praise of the fantastic 1920×1200 [1080p] picture in a more recent review of the this years Qosmio, equipped with Windows Vista Ultimate.) This CNET review published in February 2007 described outstanding Blu-ray video quality at 1080p on a Velocity Micro PC running Vista Home Premium. Laptop Magazines July review of a high-end Sony Vaio (also equipped with an Nvidia Go 7600 GPU) praises its 1080p eye candy, which the reviewers watched on a 32-inch TV over an HDMI connection. Ive been watching Blu-ray and HD DVD discs at 1080i resolution (maximum available on my set) on a Dell XPS 410 that I purchased last December. With the right hardware, you can get world-class HD performance out of a computer running Windows Vista.
Most of the reviews(NOT from the salesmen) are linked so you can check them out if you really want to. Please read the article(s) before you comment again. Or I'll have to suppose that you're just a karmawhoring troll.
People have noticed stuttering on playback, due to scheduling priorities between network and realtime playback on Vista.
That was a bug in Vista [technet.com] that was fixed in SP1.
Re: (Score:2)
But look, you're clearly far more invested in the information than I am. Obviously a guy claiming that Vista DRM is causing global warming or that HD playback is impossible is over the top. I think I'll just continue to use Ubuntu where I don
Re: (Score:2)
I was mostly referring to the part where he links to an Austrailian vendor for proof and then provides a picture of a suggested use, with an improbably placed airport terminal monitor easily a hundred feet in the air and amazingly all in focus despite the oblique angle.
That's from Samsung's advertizing material. Looks like a obvious mockup showing the intended use of the monitor. Not a computer monitor for sure like Gutmann claimed, faked ad pic or not.
Obviously a guy claiming that Vista DRM is causing global warming or that HD playback is impossible is over the top.
If you read the highly modded up FUD on here, you'd actually start believing that.
I think I'll just continue to use Ubuntu where I don't have to worry about this or that. You win, and I guess your prize is you can keep using Vista. Enjoy.
I dual boot Vista x64/Ubuntu on my desktop. Used to run gentoo(after endless hours of compilation) back when I was a student and had a lot of time. Should try that on the quadcore sometime, should compile faster. Anyway, it just hurts me to
Re: (Score:2, Informative)
Ed Bott is a freelance technical journalist and book author. All work that Ed does is on a contractual basis.
Since 1994, Ed has written more than 25 books about Microsoft Windows and Office. Along with various co-authors, Ed is completely responsible for the content of the books he writes. As a key part of his contractual relationship with publishers, he gives them permission to print and distribute the content he writes and to pay him a royalty based on the actual sales of those b
Re: (Score:2)
Who do i trust, an independent researcher or an M$ lackey?
FTA:
In Part 1 of this three-part series, I discussed some of the technical errors in Gutmanns paper that illustrate his lack of hands-on experience with the technology hes trying to cover and his fundamental confusion over how Windows Vista content protection features work. (Youll find more examples in Part 3.) If you think Im nitpicking over these details, you miss the point completely. Gutmann is an academic researcher, and the way scientists have worked since the end of the Dark Ages has been with a rigorous set of principles: You start with a thesis, you design experiments that test that thesis, and using those experimental results as well as those of your peers, you assemble evidence that proves or disproves your thesis. Then you publish. As I noted last month, Gutmann has completely skipped the experimental portion of this time-tested process. He has literally no firsthand evidence to support most of the outrageous claims he makes, and much of the secondhand anecdotal evidence he has assembled is either taken out of context or is of questionable relevance. As I show later in this post, some of his evidence is just plain made up. When someone who claims to be a scientist publishes a paper filled with provably wrong facts, that persons competence is called into question. When all of those errors are in one direction, that persons honesty, objectivity, and devotion to the truth are called into question as well.
The point is, why do you have to trust someone? Just look up the references if you have any doubt to see if they match up or not. Alternatively, you can close your eyes and ears and chant 'la la la M$ M$ M$' while Vista plays HD content right before your very eyes. Gutmann has not even used Vista before writing a 26,0000 word diatribe. Also, if Ed Bott has a financial incentive for his spin, Gutmann has a popularity incentive. His article has become wildly popular and linked all over the internet. I
Re:Surprised.. (Score:4, Interesting)
In this case, the unsupported assertion starts with market share numbers pulled out of thin air. Under the heading "Disabling of Functionality," Gutmann writes:
See how he slipped that little statement in there to make the problem he's discussing seem like something that will affect "the vast majority" of Windows systems? The trouble is, the vast majority of sound cards are not "built on C-Media chipsets." Don't take my word for it; that's what the company itself says. In reporting on a 2006 deal between C-Media and Asus, DigiTimes quotes a report in the Chinese-language Economic Daily News (EDN)
C-Media anticipates that its market share in the high-end audio IC market will hit 10%, up from the current 1-3%, according to the company...
The last time I looked, 1-3% was a tiny blip, not the "vast majority."
So the first idiot says the vast majority of audio chipsets are C-media... and the 2nd idiot thinks he's counting him by quoting C-media claim they have well under 10% of the 'hign-end audio ICs'. The two assertions aren't even in conflict for crying out loud.
Consider Toyota... both the worlds largest car company and simultaneously barely represented in the exotic high end car segment. So C-Media is a Toyota of audio chips; sounds about right. This is like a bad slashdot debate, not journalism. On both sides.
Re: (Score:2)
You'll note that Ed spends most of his time attacking irrelevent mistakes in details, and uses this as basis to claim the whole point is invalid.
Gutmann's main point was that the DRM in Vista stops you for viewing or degrades legitimate content like home videos taken from HD camcorders. Ed proved that all of that is a crock of BS and FUD. Gutmann even claimed that it would affect medical images and videos and people started blindly believing it. MS itself had to step up because the FUD was going out of control in the media which was blindly parroting Gutmann's claims without research, and debunk it. [slashdot.org] From the wiki:
In the United States, the Federal Communications Commission approved HDCP as a "Digital Output Protection Technology" on August 4, 2004, despite its known flaws.[8] The FCC's Broadcast flag regulations, which were struck down by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, would have required DRM technologies on all digital outputs from HDTV signal demodulators. Congress is still considering legislation that would implement something similar to the Broadcast Flag. The HDCP standard is more restrictive than the FCC's Digital Output Protection Technology requirement. HDCP bans compliant products from converting HDCP-restricted content to full-resolution analog form, presumably in an attempt to reduce the size of the analog hole. On January 19, 2005, the European Industry Association for Information Systems (EICTA) announced that HDCP is a required component of the European "HD ready" label.[9] Microsoft's new operating system, Windows Vista, utilizes this technology in the context of computer graphics cards and monitors.
So you want Vista to ignore the
Re: (Score:2)
That is, by far, the worst thing to link in a Vista discussion. (By the way, the first link also cites the Gutmann paper as its primary source.) Vista is a horribly bloated OS, but it has much more to do with the unnecessary shiny than anything else. Aside from that stupid 'using the network while playing an MP3' problem, that paper is:
Re: (Score:2)
broken (Score:2)
the graphics start ok, but when i make any inputs(keyboard or mouse) what ever it is crashes.
this is on a HP Pavillion Amd turion64 running 64bit Debian at Testing
Re: (Score:2)
Same here. I can use Maya for 5 or 10 minutes, and then X goes nuts. I can move the mouse, but can't click on, or type anything. I have to ssh in and kill the X process.
I got a nVidia card to make Maya easier to work with. Time to end this experiment I think.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
OpenGL? (Score:3, Interesting)
Could Vista's bad performance be due to its nerfing of OpenGL on Vista in order to get developers to pick DX?
Re:OpenGL? (Score:4, Interesting)
One thing that I like, recently it is not a case of Linux and Solaris having to be as good as MS, but a case of hmmm lets just see which performs better without the a priori conclusion that everyone has to keep up with MS.
I think that very soon, if not now, we can start thinking of MS as an angel with a tarnished halo, if I can put it so gently?
We are slowly moving in to an era of REAL competition, where all OSs are competing for the leading edge and the masses waiting for news each quarter of who is winning rather than everyone not really caring since no other OS is as good as MS. At that point, I think you can clearly and safely declare a win for F/OSS. A battle win if not the war.
Re: (Score:2)
That's never stopped them before.
Re: (Score:2)
Re:OpenGL? (Score:5, Informative)
"Some have suggested that OpenGL performance on Windows Vista is poor compared to Windows XP. This is not the case."
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Do you honestly think that this is going to make things work to make them change things?
It has more to do with it's interrupt handling, etc. than anything else. Vista doesn't do so hot, even with
DirectX, because it's been rewritten in a few ways that don't help them any.
Re: (Score:2)
First, it's overridden by any driver that chooses to implement OpenGL by itself.
And second, it's used for Aero -- the theory being that you can't have two 3D APIs controlling the hardware at once, so if you have a windowed GL app, it'll use the wrapper, whereas a fullscreen GL app will run normally. This is kind of like me run
Doesn't Vista have a new driver model? (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't Vista have a new driver model? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Also OpenGL technically benefits MORE from the new WDDM in Vista because of the RAM allocation system and GPU scheduling as the OS handles all these details for OpenGL and OpenGL applications.
The ICD still has to be optimized to pass through and work with the new Vista WDDM model, so as Vista was first released to now, just like with DirectX - OpenGL on current drivers is considerably faster than the horrid RTM drivers from both NVidia an
Re: (Score:2)
Of course Tiger is at
No XP? (Score:2, Insightful)
this is a surprise (Score:2, Insightful)
What?! Windows did not have the best NVIDIA performance?!
This is a new one. No, really. Usually NVIDIA makes their Windows drivers their best drivers, and Linux is supported as an afterthought because they can make a few percentage points more in sales this way, and because it discourages reverse engineering their hardware, since those who would take the time and effort to do so won't on account of there being a working solution.
In other words, I am surprised that although Windows Vista has been such a mess
Re: (Score:2)
Usually NVIDIA makes their Windows drivers their best drivers, and Linux is supported as an afterthought because they can make a few percentage points more in sales this way...
Not really. Nvidia's drivers are designed incredibly well. Their drivers were designed ground-up to abstract all of the rendering code such that porting it to different platforms is a simple process of designing a shim [wikipedia.org] to connect the driver engine to a specific OS's API. So, with the exception of the driver shim, the codebase is almost identical.
Re: (Score:2)
Video on Linux (Score:2)
Maybe that's on the latest (higher) models of cards, which actually have the performance to do TV. How come those frequently-complained driver limits don't appear in these benchmarks?
Re: (Score:2)
For any normal use - including accelerated video - the NVidia Linux drivers are solid and have been for years.
There may be edge cases where they have worse performance than other drivers, but not in any area that I've personally seen using the drivers.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
What you're talking about is that the video acceleration APIs are not exposed for linux (purevideo). This is still the case, and annoying.
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
The 5200 FX is able to display SD (standard definition) video with no problems. Of course, cards of this class do not have HD encoders.
The 6000 and up series is able to do HD (high definition) video with no problems. I am using a 7300 (AGP 4x bus interface) to do 1080i display (the machine I am typing on, which happens to be my PVR). I am not sure if the card will drive 1080p, but that isn't a "mode" that my TV will do.
The card/driver d
Re: (Score:2)
One more step... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
And FWIW, the best Quadro performance isn't going to make a difference unless you're doing high-performance rendering or some similar task (and you actually have a Quadro card).
Just wait - windows graphic will reclain the crown (Score:5, Funny)
Using the chessboard, the retarded monkey ... (Score:2)
Who's actually surprised by this? Bueller? Bueller?
Re: (Score:2)
I can tell we are conversing with the elite of computer wisdom here. AC, if you read your replies, what sort of experience do you have in um.. education, or the job market?
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Maybe you've heard of a little game studio called Id Software [idsoftware.com]? Or Epic Games [epicgames.com]? I'm not even going to mention what works on Wine.
Oh, I don't know, Maya [autodesk.com]? That's off the top of my head -- I don't do 3D professionally.
But while we're at it, why did you bring up games in what is clearly an article about professional graphic design har
Re: (Score:2)
They were completely wrong on OS choices not just Ubuntu.
Re:Headline is misleading! (Score:5, Informative)
As for the CHUD Tools, they are completely inert unless you happen to be running one of the tools and even then, it isn't likely to cause any significant difference. The kernel extensions used by the CHUD Tools are designed to do absolutely nothing until they are asked to. If you are running a Time Profile in Shark, it will have some impact, but it will be limited to 1-2%.
Re: (Score:2)
Either way, this is totally irrelevant to the article. Ubuntu is a big desktop orientated distro. It's appropriate for the testing, and I doubt there is much difference for the purposes of this test between Ubuntu and PCLinuxOS.
Re:Headline is misleading! (Score:4, Insightful)
I read Slashdot every day, and until this moment I had never even heard of PCLinuxOS. I had to look it up.
Ubuntu, however... Ubuntu, my parents have heard of.
Don't know what metric Distrowatch uses, but it seems to be flawed.
Granted, I don't use Linux as a day-to-day OS, but I have some Linux apps I like which I run via Ubuntu in VMware Fusion. As a casual user, of the distros I've tried, Ubuntu wins hands-down. It's still too hard to set up for my parents, say, but not so hard that I don't just say "fsck it" and delete the partition, as I have done with all the others.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Ubuntu PASTED Vista, and fared really good against Solaris, even when it was beaten by it.
Reality is, this largely has nothing to do with whatever Distro you care to favor- it's that an out
of the box Linux distribution pretty much pasted an out of the box Vista install.
Nothing more. Nothing less.
Re: (Score:2)
Damn kids, can never understand what they are trying to say.
Re:Headline is misleading! Not it is not. (Score:2)
different distributions mean just different packaging systems, artwork, support, etc. Underlying kernel and drivers are the same. The performance is essentially the same, especially for things like graphics subsystem!
Re: (Score:2)
NOBODY reads the effin' article, don't you know...
Re: (Score:2)
I don't think professionals are on latest Linux kernel (major version) either.
Also even on Apple, at least the AVID people are sticking with OS X Tiger 10.4.10 (not 11) wi
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
I bet there are rich but non techie guys buying Quadro for gaming right now. I know a one bought ATI FireGL along with 15K RPM SCSI disk and couldn't sleep because of noise. Not just that
Re:ws cards (Score:4, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Just find a game, play it at a low FPS and then compare it at a high FPS. I used to play Doom and Doom 2, and believe me in many cases low res high FPS was better than high res low FPS. Plenty of oth
Not only that (Score:2)