Dutch Unveil Robot Gas Station Attendant 287
Lucas123 writes "According to a Reuters' story, Dutch inventors today took the wraps off a $110,000 car-fueling robot they say is the first of its kind. (It was inspired by a cow milking robot.) After registering the car as it pulls up to the pump, the machine matches your fuel cap design with those in a database and your car's fuel type, and then a robotic arm fitted with multiple sensors extends from a regular gas pump, 'opens the car's flap, unscrews the cap, picks up the fuel nozzle and directs it towards the tank opening, much as a human arm would, and as efficiently.' Wait till Hollywood gets hold of this scenario."
Paul Verhoeven, prophet of our times (Score:2, Interesting)
First of all, there are other bizarre coincidences, such as the appearance of a DVD in the movie "Robocop" (ten years before DVD would actually debut), the "President Schwarzenegger" reference in "Total Recall" (long before his political career), the 9-11
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
2) You're amazed by the fact that he saw a lazerdisc shrunk it down for his robocop movie? Sorry, I'm not impressed.
3) You got the movie "Total Recall" confused with "Demolition Man", which was directed by someone else.
4) 9/11 reference in Star Ship troopers? Are you sure you weren't just on LSD at the time?
Re: (Score:2)
I'll tell you what doesn't amaze me -- that the OP has never seen a laser disc.
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
I assume you're referring to the destruction of Buenos Aires by the "bugs". That was just satire of the politically-fueled patriotic hysteria following any such event, of which 9/11 was just one example of. If it reminded you of 9/11 in hindsight, that's because history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.
Also, that event was in the original book by Heinlein, published in 1959. I doubt he predicted 9/11 over 40 years in advance, unless you mea
I think it's not the first. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I think it's not the first. (Score:5, Insightful)
you can buy for $12.99 a gas cap that has a flap that allows you to easily fuel the car through the cap.
uses a standard pump nozzle size, replace the black flap with a reflective one and It's a 2nd year robotics student project to reproduce everything they did. Opening and closing the door is as simple by attaching a gripper stud or refelctive tape.
Problem is it's far cheaper to let the people use the pump themselves. Why put in a multi thousand dollar robot to do something that people are doing for free. At full service stations the "attendant" is paid minimum wage as it's not a skilled job. I can pay the wages of a gas pump attendant for 10 years for the price of one gas pumping robot.
Re: (Score:2)
Yes, and the pump attendant will be there 24/7? So you might need about 4 pump attendants, and hope they don't get ill. Not that I am necessarily in favor of robots like these, but there seems to be something wrong with your calculations. And, come to think of it, your wages.
Can you really? I doubt that. (Score:3, Insightful)
Like so many you obviously never employed anyone. This is NOT just a case of paying minimum wage for ONE person.
The robot for the stated amount of money will work 24/7 365 days a year. Never sick, never late, never rude. He makes no demands, has no ambitions to better himself, doesn't demand promotions, doesn't get a higher wage as he gets older. Remmeber this is a DUTCH story, we actually give minimum wage workers a minimum wage they can live on.
The robot doesn't demand overtime, has no holidays.
The rob
Oregon (Score:2)
Then I remembered a trip through the state of Oregon. As of ten years ago or so travelers were not permitted to pump their own gas. I don't know if this is still the case, or why it was the case in the first place, but these robots might actually have an application if there are many places with laws on the books requiring certified entities to d
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
If so, I'm there!
It's a jobs program (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
The gas wasn't noticeably more expensive, and it sure was nice not having to get out of the car to fill up.
I believe New Jersey also has/had a similar policy of not allowing motorists to pump their own gas. It's my understanding that by requiring gas stations to provide at least one gas pump attendant, it keeps at least one person per station employed above and beyond what they would in any other state. Consider
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Sure is safer, too. That stuf is toxic as well as having a lot of energy density for a liquid. Just a little bit of training -- a tiny bit, really -- is all you need to keep people from exposure to hot plasma or a lot of strange molecules that the monkey in you never learned to deal with. You or I may know intuitively what to do, but the non-Slashdot crowd is pretty immense and prone to errors in mundane day-to-day engineering processes such
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2, Troll)
Re: (Score:2)
I had the unfortunate experience of being stuck in the pit of the Pacific North West for like 3 months on a contract. One of the funniest things to watch is all of the Oregon idiots trying to pump gas in Washington. The best was a group of like 17 year olds that were trying to figure it out by committee and eventually drove off with no gas.
Hmm (Score:3, Funny)
[whirrrr-click] Target identified. Model recognized as College Student. Preparing beer tube.
[whirrrr-click] Target identified. Model recognized as Slashdot Visitor. Preparing "In Mother Russia" meme-milk and "Cowboy Neal" flakes.
Re:Hmm (Score:4, Funny)
My fuel "flap" has a lock (Score:4, Funny)
My fuel flag does have the means to be opened from inside the car.. so I guess I could just do that when approaching Sir-Pumps-A-lot.
Re: (Score:2)
The day I feel I need to lock up is the day I start looking for a new house.
Not that a lock would actually stop someone.
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: [after discovering Private Pyle's unlocked footlocker] Jesus H Christ. Private Pyle, why is your footlocker unlocked?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, I don't know, sir.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: Private Pyle, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is an unlocked footlocker! You know that don't you?
Private Gomer Pyle: Sir, yes, sir.
Gunnery Sergeant Hartman: If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?
Private Gom
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
A friend once had an engine-fire, and when the fire department arrived, they just calmly walked over to the car, and unscrewed the fuel cap. They explained that the fuel would evaporate safely, and his car would remain intact.
Lockable fuel doors don't stop fuel theft. (Score:2)
I drive a Diesel powered vehicle. Most "fuel thieves" are looking for gasoline, and those that want diesel fuel are more likely going to look for much larger quantities of it (large trucks). (Yes, go ahead and draw your paralleling analogy of "Security through Obscurity")
That aside, the last local outbreak of vehicle fuel thefts were committed by drilling a hole into the bottom of fuel tank and capturing the gas in several low-profile containers rotated out for collection. Unless you have something armo
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Fitting the thing with a master key for each manufacturer would not be difficult. Such things are well known. Not that anyone will think of the possible abuse that would ensue or anything.
Re: (Score:2)
Mine doesn't - you have to pull a lever inside to open it.
Or you could use a big-ass screwdriver to pop it open, same as the ones with a lock.
Nobody bothers siphoning sas nowadays - much easier to just steal the car.
Re: (Score:2, Interesting)
NJ and Oregon (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
(Note, not all douches are paid minimum wage, and not all people earning minimum wage are douches, but the two go hand in hand when I'm sitting there unable to do what the law mandates they do for me.)
Whatever you do, don't bend over... (Score:3, Funny)
Key? (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
If a robot has a mechanical claw in your pocket, you had better *hope* it's the key it comes away with.
Re: (Score:2)
Not valid for residents of New Jersey or Oregon. Personally, I love not pumping my gas.
Novelty Act (Score:4, Insightful)
I grew up in Oregon. A state that requires an attendent to pump your gas. I worked at a texaco one summer. There were 3 distinct positions on the issue:
1. Out of staters: Oh my god wow, it's really illegal for me to pump my own gas? Why thank you keep the change.
2. The in towners: Hurry the fuck up kid and please get my side windows.
3. The drive up politicians: Don't you see how this is hurting the very business you work for by requring man power for a job the costumer could do themselves. (My reply: dude I'm just here for the beer money)
So yeah I see the same thing to varying degrees happening at the pump (if this were to ever become a substantial choice for gas station owners here in the states)... Which would just be a rehash of the old auto workers complaints I can remember from as far back as grade school. Our science text books had these odd placed "Look to the future" sections. One of which was about robotics, and how there was a concern it would replace jobs with out creating... yadda yadda yadda Seemed like a pro union slant to me even then. (tho for the record I am pro union)
All that aside. I think it would be cool to have a robot doing this. I've worked in gas stations outside of Oregon here and there. Where people could do their own fueling, the amount of gas people slopped all over themselves, their car or the ground was substantial... and they always wanted a refund!
Re: (Score:2)
I grew up in Oregon. A state that requires an attendent to pump your gas.
The article talks about the Netherlands though. I have *never* seen gas stations where an attendant actually pumps the gas in all of Europe. I'd go as far as to say that many Europeans, when asked, would find the very idea to be ludicrous (once you have explained it to them).
In fact, it goes even further - it's very common to have completely "unattended" gas stations, i.e. you authorize the payment by credit card/electronic bank transfer using a PIN, and then the amount you actually take to fill up the tan
Re: (Score:2)
The article talks about the Netherlands though.
I realize that I was simply relating my experiance in the fueling industry here in the states to the article.
I'd go as far as to say that many Europeans, when asked, would find the very idea to be ludicrous (once you have explained it to them).
And the same can be said here in the US. I'm in Nampa, ID 30-40 mins from the border of Oregon, and even here it boggles peoples minds when it comes up through the course of a conversation.
In fact, it goes even further - it's very common to have completely "unattended" gas stations
I'm sure there are differences you failed to clarify but that sounds a lot like any gas station outside of Walmart or Fred Meyers here in the Northwest US. A guy sits in a booth and takes your dollars or you
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Lol, that's hilarious! What the fuck did they think you were going to say? "You're right, sir. I will happily volunteer for unemployment in order to aid the financial prosperity of a business I wouldn't give the tiniest flying fuck about except that they pay me to work here."
I lived in Oregon as a n
just testing it out with my spanking new Volvo (Score:3, Funny)
i'm actually writing this from my iphone, while in my car, while one of these new robots fills up my volvo. I don't know why you guys are tagging this "whatcouldpossiblygowrong", it seems well engineered and apparently efficient. The only problem I can foresee would be some sort of short circuit which could produce a spark and ##KR2F@F@$F$ {NO CARRIER}
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Insightful)
Robots will be an economic disaster. (Score:2)
The idea that the jobs market loss in one are creates more jobs another is not always true.
Espcially when you consider global scales of volume. If McDonalds can displace 2 owrkers with a 110,000 robot, you bet they would.
And who do you think will build the robots? that's right, other robots. While it will create new industries, it can not create
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Robots will be an economic disaster. (Score:5, Insightful)
I dunno... I suppose they will do the same thing as the textile loomers did after the industrial revolution in the 1800s.
IMO if your job can be replaced by a machine, it probaly was boring.
Re: (Score:2)
IMO if your job can be replaced by a machine, it probaly was boring.
So's my job, even though it can't be replaced by a robot ;). But there's a lot of people that just want to get through the day with a decent paycheck, that really aren't cut out to be rocket scientists. The defintion of "unskilled labor" has gone a looooooooong way from when that meant things like being a farm hand cutting hay, chopping lumber or whatever. You can't really compare when such jobs first went and when the last ones are going away. Sure there'll still be burger flippers and taxi drivers and st
Re: (Score:2)
Imagine all the jobs we could create if we got rid of jackhammers, drills, and dynamite and had people go back to mining with pickaxes.
Heck... Imagine all the jobs we can create if we made the miners use their bare hands!
Re: (Score:2)
On the flipside, photography did not make portrait painting go extinct nor did wielding cause all the anvil blacksmiths in the world stop their trade. They are of course rare, but I feel there will always be a niche for things that a machine could do better.
Even if a machine could make music, paint, speak, and write better literature than any human that was
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
I'm assuming that's US$110,000, in which case I'd disagree. McDonald's employees aren't payed more than US$55,000, and even if they were, I'd rather have two versatile human employees than one static robot (unless it's a giant transforming Ronald McDonald, 'cause that'd be neat).
What gas station attendants? (Score:2)
Re:Robots will be an economic disaster. (Score:4, Funny)
1) Robot claws open rear passenger door thinking it's a gas cap cover and shoves nozzle down whoever's strapped in.
2) Robot decides you have a 2007 model instead of 2008 and destroys your gas cap because they way it opens has been changed
3) Robot beats you up and drives off in your car
4) Robot doesn't know the "3 clicks" rule and keeps screwing your gas cap back on for all eternity
5) Robot is racist and doesn't service some people
6) Robot sees a Lamborghini pull up and tries to mate with it, costing the gas station around $400,000
These are all nightmare scenarios that are all too possible if the robots aren't maintained. We'll need people to do this. No way I'd trust other robots!
Re: (Score:2)
Or maybe not allow corporations to own robots, and only let people own 1 robot. One which can either work in place of you and you get a paycheck from that.
Right, because societies that have fought progress have traditionally done better than those that haven't.
If robots can replace all the non creative jobs, perhaps it will be time for a form of socialism
We're so far away from this it's not even funny. If we can't make an AI that can beat a competent Go player, how are we supposed to create an AI that can properly handle local ad campaigns, program other software with vague parameters, design a more productive model of robot, etc? You're looking at something that will take decades at least to come around. Humans are versatile to the extreme, able to r
Uneconomical Impractical or Both (Score:5, Insightful)
Re: (Score:2)
I've always thought Belgium's and Holland's climate was mild, but there has been days in the NE USA when it was -20 in wind chill factor in which I would have gladly choose a gas station with a robot over one that did not. I remember seeing this way back for development for some Scandinavian country so that people didn't have stand around in sub zero temperatures pumping gas.
Also... In strange places like New Jersey, the state government has made it illeg
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Only one question (Score:2)
Roll on the obesity (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
Evidently you don't live in a part of the world where it drops to 40 below... and then gets windy. Where getting punched in the face would be more pleasant than standing still and holding a frigid hose next to your car for 5 minutes. Where you have to put gloves, hats, and scarves on, just to get out of your car that long without freezing bits.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:2)
However, don't let that get in the way of your straw man argument.
Had to happen... (Score:2)
rj
Re: (Score:2)
PS: my truck (1993 Toyota pickup) requires an actual key to open the flap. (A bit of a pain compared the the little lever under the driver's seat of most cars (plus the cap is on the passenger side) but hey, at least I've never locked my keys inside at the gas station!) I'm not sure how these robots will deal with that. Maybe the first one will slice off the flap with an acetylene torch?
What about the Fuel Cap tether? (Score:2)
I'll tell you what could possibly go wrong. (Score:2)
Fortunately, being a full-serve station, I was nearby and able to shut off the pump before we went up in a mushroom cloud. But what if there was no human attendant?
Re: (Score:2)
Most likely nothing would happen, since the pump would surely have the breakaway hoses [benfordfueling.com] that most pumps have nowadays. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that there are state or local laws requiring their installation when there's not an attendant on site.
But what's the point of it ? (Score:2)
A
Its for people with disabilities (Score:2, Insightful)
Hollywood nothing... (Score:2)
What about people that 'Treat' their cars (Score:2)
Also, at over $100k, I don't think it will be an instant hit. It was hard enough for most stations to justify putting in the car swipe systems on the pump. Mostly because of lost revenue on impulse buys inside, but this robot would be even worse. The person wouldn't even have to leave the car, so he
How do I fill my lawn mower (Score:3, Interesting)
Seems like there are a large number of situations when this wouldn't work. Will the robot replace all pumps? Will there be special pumps for when the robot doesn't work? Will gas for my lawn mower get more expensive since I have to drive across town to find a station that can actually put gas in a can?
locks (Score:2)
Is that not the general case?
Both the switch and the key could be solved with driver-robot interaction, but with the key that sounds vastly impractical.
For our next trick... (Score:2)
American Invents Auto Fueling System (Score:2, Funny)
"It's a very sophisticated system," said Earle. "Our customers will be very happy not to have to pump their own gas."
When a car pulls up, the system immediately registers the make and model of the car and locates the fuel cap using two visual sensors. The system then extends its sensory touch system to open the flap, unscrew the cap, and direct the fuel nozzle towards the tank opening.
The cost for the fueling system is minimal
In the near future... (Score:2)
Any Idea How Bizarre this is? (Score:5, Interesting)
This town is populated with earthy farm folk. There is nothing to do. On any given Sunday you can fire guns downtown without anyone even hearing them. The streets are empty on Sundays. When I went to high school, 16 year old boys took their John Deeres and Massey Fergusons to school. The first thing I ever learnt how to drive was a small Massey Fergusson tractor from the late forties. The second thing I learnt how to drive was a fork lift.
Nico van Staveren was a long-time friend of my fathers. My father is now dead and gone, but to see Nico come up with this stuff is just more than bizarre. Figure my bewilderment of finding a story on
The only thing I wonder about is what this will mean to anyone with a Toyota or Mazda that happens to pull into the robotic pump. Like my townsman so aptly commented "Why not, but I hope they're insured well".
This really made my day. It brought tears to my eyes as I'm reading this in my living room in Haifa, Israel.
Re:Already Happened (Score:5, Funny)
Just before the fuel comes out, he yanks the nozzle out and sprays it all over the windshield.
Re: (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Already Happened (Score:4, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Re:well... (Score:5, Funny)
(think Johny Cab / Total Recall)
"warning insufficient funds
engage orifice insertion override"
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
Re: (Score:3, Interesting)
"I'm not sure about countries in Europe, but all U.S. cars have a bar code visible through the windshield (windscreen) that represents the VIN (vehicle identification number) that is easily machine readable"
Ever try to read the vin? Some are easy - a lot aren't.
Then there's accumulated snow, rain, frost, dirt, etc.
Also reflections, angle of view ...
Also there's the issue of damage when a motorist drives off too soon. Nowadays, its' about a grand in damages. This thing would be a LOT more expensive.
Re:well... (Score:4, Funny)
Step 1. Scan VIN through windshield. If successful, pump fuel.
Step 2. Open driver's door and scan VIN that is imprinted on door frame. If successful, pump fuel.
Step 3. If steps 1 and 2 fail, seize vehicle; phone police; play, "This is the fuel pumping robot at [address] I have seized an illegal immigrant and/or terrorist. Please pick him/her up at your convenience."
Re:well... (Score:4, Interesting)
[TinFoil]
What a wonderful tracking tool. Whether you pay cash or not, we know that VIN XXYY123 left gas station Z at 2:42 PM.
[/TinFoil]
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Cyberdyne Oil Co. (Score:4, Funny)
So, Gas Net? (Score:5, Funny)
Sarah: Gas Net fights back.
Drivernator: Yes. They begin exporting backyard-brewed bio-diesel from Russia.
John: Why Russia? They're supposed to be our chief exporters.
Drivernator: Because Gas Net knows that Russian bio-diesel will damage the bottom line of domestic energy companies while degrading the performance of modern vehicles.
Sarah: Jesus.
SKC
Re: (Score:2)
With apologies to Peter Griffin.
Re: (Score:2)
Re: (Score:3, Informative)
Re: (Score:2)
24 hrs / day * 365 days / year * $5 / hr = $43,800 / yr saved. In addition, at the end of 2.511 years, when the robot has worked off its capital cost, the owner still has a robot worth a considerable amount (say, $45,000, assuming ~30% depreciation annually).
Is $110,000 the cost for one robotic pump, or is it the cost of a robotic stat
Re: (Score:2)