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Official 700MHz Bidder List 75

j.sanchez1 writes "Wired has the scoop on the official bidder list for the 700MHz auction slated for January 24, 2008. Here are PDFs of the lists of accepted applications (96 names) and incomplete applications (170). Along with AT&T and Verizon, Google and Paul Allen's Vulcan Spectrum are in on the bidding."
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Official 700MHz Bidder List

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  • by CrackPipePls ( 1205568 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @09:41AM (#21763680)
    Why do the rest even bother? Eventually it all boils down the the few big boys anyway,
  • by mraudigy ( 1193551 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @09:42AM (#21763694)
    The auction of the 700 Mhz band is quite interesting.... it will be interesting to see who wins the bid and what it will do for the country's infrastructure. At&t is one of the many that still has an incomplete application.... typical.
  • Re:Nice list (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dada21 ( 163177 ) <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:02AM (#21763858) Homepage Journal
    Multibillion dollar companies owned by... you and I, or anyone with a share.

    The problem is not the multibillion dollar companies, the problem is the FCC. The FCC creates the regulations, and laws, and restrictions, and mandates, that force you and I and a million others from tossing in our own $1500 each and competing. We'd need to hire lawyers who probably worked for the FCC and wrote the rules. We'd need to get approvals from a slow and red-tape-ladened administration. We'd need to prove who we are and what our intentions are.

    That's the problem. You think it's these huge megacorps that cause these issues? Well, they sure lobby for them. But if the Federal Executive branch actually followed the Rule of Law (i.e., the Constitution), the FCC would be probably a teeny tiny organization that just made sure no one was perverting the airwaves with massive noise outputs from dirty electronics.

    WiFi is relative proof that you can go relatively unregulated in spectrum bandwidth and have things work just fine. Yes, yes, some people in the middle of Manhattan complain about WiFi performance, but my experience at my old office in downtown Chicago showed that things worked just fine -- all the time.

    We don't need the FCC, we need more individuals getting together, pitching in a few grand, hiring managers, and competing with the old powerful regimes. Unfortunately, it isn't available. We can't do it. We can't compete. The market doesn't work efficiently when there are barriers to entering the market, and the ONLY barrier is government regulation. Raising $1billion is easy; the machete you need to cut through red tape is nearly non-existent.
  • by Rob T Firefly ( 844560 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:03AM (#21763868) Homepage Journal
    Ego trips, publicity stunts, and a desire to get one's name in the history books with the big boys. Big Roy's Internet Service and Gerbil Grooming may not have an honest chance at actually winning an auction, but it'll get him into the Google rankings alongside the likes of AT&T for a bit.
  • by Mishra100 ( 841814 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:16AM (#21764000)
    I could only come up with 2 reasons why the smaller companies would even try to compete. Cheap advertisement. They only have to fill our paperwork and spend a little bit of money and time. Then they are put on a list and talked about in articles and regular posts (like us) which gives them really cheap advertisement. It could also be that they want to give their investors the feeling that they are trying to do more with their company by competing to buy the air waves.
  • Re:Nice list (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dada21 ( 163177 ) <adam.dada@gmail.com> on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:26AM (#21764116) Homepage Journal
    Yeah, that's not quite the most compelling argument I've heard about this issue. Certainly not the most informed, either.

    For many years, the idea of a truly software-based, frequency-hopping radio was the idea of dreams and science fiction. We have them today. They work well, but are still limited in frequencies they can utilize. Power-sources have been the biggest limiting factor for opening up spectrum for unregulated use, but that too is quickly being overcome by technological discoveries (see the nano-wire battery article from yesterday).

    Regulated spectrum may have been important when radio transmissions were inefficient, dirty, and even dangerous. We've overcome those issues, and now have the technology to utilize wireless transmissions that could be best navigated and selected based on distance to the other transceiving device, available power for transceiving, speed and latency requirements, and other traffic detected. Because power is not limitless, the idea that one massive power source would likely overpower everything in the area is only based on the idea that someone would or even could transmit garbage over every frequency at high power levels. Yes, I know there are technological marvels that COULD do this, and that's why I will allow for the idea that the FCC may exist only to penalize users of such dirty-transmission devices. Personally, I feel that the market would correct for these power-wasting freaks, but I'll at least accept a small role for the FCC to prevent dirty-transmissions.

    With frequency-hopping, and software-based radios, we'd reach a new era of wireless. We're WASTING gigahertz of spectrum on old media -- TV, radio, even cell phone and cordless phone frequencies that could be better used to combine everything into a WiFi-like system. The days of forced media schedules are slowly ending, with more and more people grabbing TV shows a la carte, via bittorrent or PVR-systems. Instead of flooding the airwaves with the gigahertz of garbage no one is watching, de-regulate that bandwidth and allow more wireless providers to send people what they want, when they want it.

    Those who demand faster bandwidth and lower latency may spend the money for the extra power they'll need to acquire the spectrum they need in their area, for their purposes. Yet power is the BIGGEST cost of wireless transmissions, and I can guarantee that anyone who wants to hog a wide swath of spectrum will find themselves with an unbelievable electric bill after one month. Yet even with someone locally occupying a certain amount of frequencies, there is still a huge amount of bandwidth available all over the entire radio spectrum. A move to digital, on demand IP-based transceiving makes more sense. We're moved beyond the need for fixed-frequencies, except for the old media who needs to control, and regulate, competition out of existence.

    They know their time has come. The need to keep cell phones on the same basic frequency, TV on the same basic frequency, and radio on the same basic frequency has been replaced, and proven so, by the newer technologies out there (Satellite, XM, WiFi, even 700Mhz cordless phones). Those days are over, but we're too engaged with the old system to realize it.

    The best thing the FCC could do is to just deregulate the 700Mhz-900Mhz frequencies entirely, and let the market provide services. Let's see what would happen. I bet amazing things would come into the market quickly. Then start deregulating more frequencies, until the FCC shrinks to a minor enforcer of clean transceiving.
  • by isa-kuruption ( 317695 ) <kuruption@noSPAm.kuruption.net> on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:27AM (#21764140) Homepage
    Yes, a cellphone revolution... in advertising....

    Google will track wherever you go via GPS. Google can then sell advertising to companies that you walk by. The more people that walk by a business, the more they can charge for advertising. Then, when you walk within 500 feet of that business, they'll send you some text message telling you of said business's latest deals. You clear the message, and in another 300' you get another text message from another business with their lunch specials.

    Then, of course, google will have you use your "google logon" with your cellphone, too. So when you go do Internet searches on your PC, it will cater the results to where you go and where you've been. "Hey, I noticed you're looking for anal plugs... there was a good shop with a buy one get one on your route to work".

    Of course, google will also use that GPS data to notify businesses in your local area what you're searching for and what you buy from their competitors.

    Then Google founders will use all that extra cash to buy an EVEN BIGGER private jet to go play around the world and burn more fuel while hypocritically telling us that we need to reduce our fuel consumption to save the environment.

  • Re:Nice list (Score:2, Insightful)

    by kfort ( 1132 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @10:42AM (#21764332)
    As a licensed ham for half my life, I couldn't disagree with you more. The RF spectrum is the property of the people, and the FCC exists to regulate it in the interest of the public good. In the past it was a problem because modes of operation like AM, SSB (single side band), FM are prone to interference either malicious or unintentional.

    We have the technology now to fight this problem. The only thing we lack is the innovation. The technology of the future would be based on homebrew inventions that amateur radio operators have pioneered over the years. This includes directional beam high gain antennas, digital packet modes of transmission, spread spectrum technology, public key encryption, and DSP (digital signal processing microchips).

    Let us not forget that every radio wave is fundamentally just light. Different frequencies are simply different colors. It is philosophically absurd to regulate colors (although this is probably done too through intellectual property restrictions such as trademark and copyrights on shades of paint).

    We have the technology. Almost all of it was created by hams. It is time to free the airwaves and give them back to the rightful owners, the people. This will usher in a new era of connectivity and communication that we can only begin to imagine.
  • Re:Nice list (Score:3, Insightful)

    by The Great Pretender ( 975978 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @11:11AM (#21764758)
    Actually, while light can be used to define the entire electro-magnetic sub-section, colors are just a sub-section of the electromegnetic spectrum referred to as 'colors' (normally 400-700 nm, but one could argue slightly outside the visible). Radio waves are not colors they are in fact a sub-section of the electromagnetic spectrum referred to as as 'radio waves'.
  • Re:Nice list (Score:3, Insightful)

    by faedle ( 114018 ) on Thursday December 20, 2007 @02:11PM (#21767156) Homepage Journal
    WiFi is relative proof that you can go relatively unregulated in spectrum bandwidth and have things work just fine. Yes, yes, some people in the middle of Manhattan complain about WiFi performance, but my experience at my old office in downtown Chicago showed that things worked just fine -- all the time.

    Actually, WiFi is a case-in-point of why the existing regulatory scheme is broken, and how completely "unregulated bandwidth" would be a disaster for our communications infrastructure.

    Case study: Portland's Pioneer Courthouse Square, a public square commonly referred to as "Portland's living room," smack dab in the middle of Portland's busy, and dense, downtown. There are no fewer than six "free" hotspots all trying to provide service, and countless WEP/WPA-encrypted ones from neighboring offices, plus the "city WiFi" from MetroFi. Add to this mess a large quantity of Bluetooth noise from a Verizon Wireless store that has all the Bluetooth crap turned on every freaking phone, a 2.4GHz wireless microphone system used by the City for performances in the square, and you've got a nice average noise floor somewhere around -55dBm.

    None of the WiFi works more than 25 feet from the access points. The wireless microphone system often breaks. If you're trying to use your Bluetooth headset on your phone, you have to be within a foot for it to work.

    So, what happens? One of the offices goes and buys an amplifier and a 15 dB antenna from Fry's to see if they can get their WiFi to work in their office. This increases the noise floor and now makes it so that anybody on Channel 1 who's near that office gets elbowed out of the way by the sloppy amplifier.

    "Unregulated airwaves" are theoretically a great idea, but fail in actual practice because the people making the decisions are not technologically literate.

    If, on the other hand, all the devices in the 2.4GHz band were using a cooperative radio system, where everybody talked to everybody else and determined frequencies and power levels based upon some kind of algorithm, there's no reason why it couldn't work. Add to that some liberal frequency expansion, and you could be on to something.

    However, just "deregulating" the whole thing without putting technological limitations on the system is a disaster waiting to happen. Deregulated radio works great in theory, until T-Mobile decides to deliberately interfere with the free hotspot because it's "competition" for their paid service.. or Starbucks decides to deliberately interfere with Seattle's Best Coffee's hotspot for the same reason.

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