DARPA Looks To Adaptive Battlefield Wireless Nets 96
An anonymous reader passed us a NetworkWorld link about an effort at DARPA to succeed in combat through networking. The idea is to keep soldiers in a position of informational superiority through a tactical radio network that would 'link' everyone together on the battlefield. "Project WAND, for Wireless Adaptive Network Development, will exploit commercial radio components, rather than custom ones, and use a variety of software techniques and algorithms, many of them only just now emerging in mature form. These $500 walkie-talkie-size radios will form large-scale, peer-to-peer ad hoc nets, which can shift frequencies, sidestep interference, and handle a range of events that today completely disrupt wireless communications ... [right now] 'The average soldier on the ground doesn't have a radio,' says Jason Redi, principle scientist for BBN's network technologies group, and the man overseeing the software work. Radios are reserved for platoon and company commanders, in part because of their cost: typically $15,000 to $20,000 each, with vehicle-mounted radios reaching $80,000."
not here yet (Score:2)
very interesting technology if it ever gets deployed. It would be interesting to see what/
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You just call whoever's on "radio watch"... (Score:2)
You just call whoever's on radio watch and they'll radio for a doctor.
You won't even have to crawl across a field to do it, you'll just talk into a mike.
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The Future Is Already Here (Score:2, Informative)
That technology already exists. It is called an HT [wikipedia.org], Project 25 [project25.org], and a repeater [wikipedia.org]. Most public safety agencies have HTs and repeaters. Many of them are converting to or using Project 25 at this time.
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Electronic Warfare (Score:4, Interesting)
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the whole point of encryption is to make a signal look like random noise, that being said, with all the background noise around the most you could do is determine that there is something making what appears to be random noise if that, to an outsider it might not even be detectable if you didn't know how to scr
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The point of encryption is not to make the signal seem like background noise - if that were the case, it would most certainly be impossible to decrypt it without losing data (since some background noise would have to sneak in).
An Encrypted link, means that the data payload is encrypted. But the encapsulating packet is still very much ordinary.
FHSS (Score:5, Informative)
The benifit to FHSS is that both endpoints know the frequency list so they know which frequencies and what order they should be hopping through therefore it is seamless as long as both endpoints remain in synch.
There are two ways that devices synch up their frequency list. One is physical connection (e.g. a 900MHz FHSS cordless phone placed in the cradle will re-synchronise the "channel" list and, if additional encription is implemented, their encryption key). The second method is during the handshake, or initial connection period of the radio link, on a pre-defined static frequency the frequency list is transmitted, then subsequent transmissions are carried out on the specified frequencies. In this case an encryption key is usually used to prevent eavesdroppers from being able to collect and use this frequency list. A new frequency list can be transmitted after the initial connection is made and perodically updated to increase the security or reliability of the link if needed.
Now this appears to be background noise as only very small snippets of the conversation, often times digital and/or encrypted to futher obfuscate the transmission, will be transmitted on any given frequency. This means that the pieces that can be received on any given frequency are tiny spikes in the transmission which are clicks or pops and would not be discernable from the "noise".
FHSS has been in use for many, many years by everyone from civilians to ultra top secret government orginizations to both hide or "encrypt" the communications and to reduce the interferance of similar devices operating on the same frequency bands.
Hope that is helpful.
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FHSS is designed to resist narrowband interference - not to provide security.
Since the carrier frequency is changed all the time, it is possible to share a frequency band using FHSS with very little interference.
However, if I were to detect a conversation using FHSS i would use a wide-band sort of receiver and quite easily detect where the conversation hops to.
Agagin, FHSS is not usable for secure communications by itself - it has to be combined with real encryption to pro
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If I detected a WEP encoded transmission I would just log weak packets and then use a program to find patterns in the packets to be able to see the original information.
Just because it is easy to determine the pattern by which the data is encrypted/encoded does not mean that it is not encryption. That just means it is weak. In and of itself I would not use FHSS as encryption on a military spec radio network.
Now tell me how you would detect the conversation using FHSS? You are tellin
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FHSS is not an encryption standard. it is a communication method, that as a SIDE-EFFECT makes it a bit harder to eavesdrop - but it was not the intent of the technology!
On the other hand, WEP is supposed to make eavesdropping hard, but miserably fails doing so.
WEP is an security standard. FHSS is not.
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That doesn't stop the marketing machines from selling it as a security feature, and exploiting this unintentional "SIDE-EFFECT" as you put it.
I still stand by my original statement that was merely a CLAIRIFICATION of the point made by the GP of my post. While arguing the minute details of an issue is fun, it was also a SIDE-EFFECT and was not the i
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Frequency hopping and spread spectrum are both techniques that may be used in order to both disguise and help defeat jamming. Spread spectrum is a for of ultra-wide FM where the signal frequency distribution is spead out in wide "wings" from the center frequency. This make the transmitted signal difficult to receive unless the center frequency is known as the transmitted power is "spread" of a wider band of frequencies. This makes it hard to distinguish from the background. Tuning to a portion of the signal
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If the solar flares become so strong that they are ionizing the entire atmosphere to the point where it is effecting all radio transmissions we will
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If you put out a strong signal, no matter how well-encrypted, I guarantee you a bunch of yokels with foxhunting gear could get a pretty accurate fix on you.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direction_finding [wikipedia.org]
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I am a H.A.M radio operator and know how "foxhunts" go. Imagine you have this "foxhunting" gear and are trying to locate enemy soldiers/vehicles using this technology. How would you determine what frequency to tu
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Pretty much your entire post hinges on this idea that you would use automated equipment to do signal search. You don't; you start with the Mk. 1 Ear, a couple of receivers, and a pair of phones. Acquiring frequency hoppers in a pain in the ass, but not impossible, and typically neither is determining their pattern, assuming you have the right gear.
Hope this clears things up for you. If not
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You could always, like, switch it off.. (Score:2)
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Keeping power to the minimum (Score:4, Interesting)
The modern ad-hoc networks have a huge advantage when it comes to minimalizing transmitter power: routing. A soldier in the battlefield communicating with the HQ only needs enough power to reach the nearest retransmitter, which can be one of many cheap units dumped on the battlefield from a plane.
only if you are very optimistic (Score:2)
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Is This Like The $5,000 Hammer? (Score:1)
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I see that you've failed to grasp the concept that military hardware and electronics needs to be one whole hell of a lot more durable and reliable than civilian equivalents as it has to operate reliably for extended periods in environments that are hot, cold, damp, dusty, etc., etc.; and put up w
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I also used to be in the armed forces, so i know exactly what our gear was like (pieces of shit).
So in all likelyhood i have 10 times the understanding that you do, feel free to pul
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I can't imagine that the police departments nationawide are spending that kinda dough on the radio in each squad car.
Throw out some figures for us. What does the gear you're 'looking after' right now cost? $80,000 per rig?? I very much doubt it. No commercial operator is going to blow green the way the military does.
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Operation from -5C to 50C isn't all that rugged. Typical automotive components located in the passenger compartment are specified to operate from -40C to 85C. Military components are going to be specified for an additional
Re:Is This Like The $5,000 Hammer? (Score:5, Informative)
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Correct me if I'm wrong (cite, please) but my understanding is that military contractors profit is a fixed percentage of the cost. So if costs escalate, profits escalate.
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Step 1: start a military contracting company
Step 2: become integrally involved in united states politics
Step 3: ?????
Step 4: Profit!!!
** spoiler warning ** Step 3 is "start a war"
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There, fixed that for ya.
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Actually, I meant the $100,000 base station that WE paid for vs the $50 cell phone HE paid for?
He's getting the bang. We're paying the bucks.
Fixed yours for ya.
One good turn deserves another.
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Technology is wonderful, but it needs to be used in a social and political context. This is why Microsoft still dominates the business market
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And how many times do you think Verizon is going to buy that, "My phone blew up" excuse for a replacement?
Charging requirements? (Score:1)
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Simpler solutions... (Score:1, Informative)
Radios are reserved for platoon and company commanders, in part because of their cost: typically $15,000 to $20,000 each, with vehicle-mounted radios reaching $80,000."
Those are some expensive radios! I understand that they have to be durable, encrypted, frequency shifting, long range, long lasting battery, ect, but 15,000$? are they gold plated or something?
how about you give every squad leader a satellite telephone (modded a little) and have a system where each phone number is based on their designation? (fireteam #, squad #, platoon #, company #, regiment #, Battalion #, regiment #, brigade #, corp #) Not necessarily in that order or form, but you get the idea.
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we pay $4000 for a repeater and $1000 for a radio.
there's no fucking way those radio's in their jeeps are worth $80,000. even for the latest wizz bang model with built in encryption chips, at most i'd expect $40,000 for the repeater and $10,000 for the radio. and even then i
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Wouldnt really surprise me if they were. Add in the green paint (EMP / EM Shielding - heres where the gold plating comes in handy), not off-the-shelf crypto circuitry (if it was OTS it'd be a lot less secure; these guys are that careful), the cost of milspec VS commercial silicon, and the need to make it stupidly ru
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You can say that again and again and again. How many times do we need to invent some new gizmos that allow soldiers to fight the last war better? I mean gizmos are fun, but this is a big part of the $530 BILLION dollars we spend on "defense" every year. We are devastatingly effective at battlefield war already, and we have not fought an enemy in 30 years that could come even close to us. That said, we've done rather p
This will teach them not to enlist (Score:2)
Cost of a radio - $15K
Saving an american life on a battlefield - priceless. Isn't it???
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Cost of a radio - $15K
Saving an american life on a battlefield - priceless. Isn't it???
FTFY
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Cost of a radio - $15K
Saving an american life on a battlefield - priceless. Isn't it???
Saving any life on a battlefield - priceless. Isn't it???
There is already a few units(?) active in Iraq using such technology.
I can't recall the article, but when they were testing it, the soldiers said it was too heavy (15 pounds or so). Weight is an enormous consideration for infantry.
The end result was that every soldier didn't need to be plugged in, so only the squad/platoon/company commanders wore them to coordinate amongst themselves.
FTFA: The real challenge will be to bring all these together in a deployable, $500 radio that actually works in the field.
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10 years ago, cell phone could be held in your hand
5 years ago, cell phone easily fit in your pocket
2 years ago, cell phone become even smaller/thinner, had better battery life, and could take a crappy picture
1 year ago, cell phone has longer battery life, bluetooth, plays
This is in the early prototype stage, for all practical purposes. The system you may be referrin
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5 years ago, cell phone easily fit in your pocket
2 years ago, cell phone become even smaller/thinner, had better battery life, and could take a crappy picture
1 year ago, cell phone has longer battery life, bluetooth, plays
20 years from now, cell phones will be able to make reliable, clear phone calls anyway in Bay Area and will come with real buttons for touch dialing.
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OLPC? (Score:1)
More gear (Score:1, Insightful)
Hooah
Beacon? (Score:1, Redundant)
Or at least, make the enemy aware to his presence?
I can see soldiers forgetting to turn this off...
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Interesting. (Score:2)
Secondly, since the structure of warfare is hierar
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Although I should point out the structure of war is hierarchical only before execution. During execution, it is more network shaped when you get to the operations level. In your plan, take out the back haul unit and crippple communications to that grou
Bread crumbs (Score:4, Funny)
DARPA - Internet, This - Oh yes please. (Score:2)
Now, in order to get an advantage on the battlefield they are developing a network which will allow nodes to communicate without the need to rely on a single physical access point. Be afraid Verizon, be VERY
Actual Prices (Score:2)
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And while $80k does sound like a lot, it really depends on how they go about procuring the system. If they are developing it, it's going t
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I recently bought a surplus 2.4 kW DC-to-AC inverter that was from the Navy COTS program. COTS it may be, but it was still built like a brick outhouse.
I can just hear it now. (Score:1)
This should come about 2142 (Score:1)
Cognitive Networks (Score:2, Informative)
B.A.T.M.A.N. (Score:1)
But then Halliburton wouldn't make any profit.
In related News (Score:1)
Anyone happen to know exactly what those COTS components are? I mean, not only would using PS3s help battlefield communications, it would reduce training, and increase recruitment, our warfighters woud be pretrained before enlistment.